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king generally can't get a 4-4-2 right so whatever the hell he tried last night was always certain to be a grand waste of time

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i think it was a 3-5-2 he was playing as thats how they lined up from the goal kick.

im sure it was

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Shakes Whalley Heath Pook Smith

Thorpe Roberts.

oh dear andrew...

Agreed. I am sure that is the formation he tried then realised it wasn't working and changed it.

tbh, i can't see anything wrong with trying that formation out..players were playing rubbish, im sure that if they had of played well, you wouldn't be moaning about the formation.

I wouldn't criticise King for that formation - it's a reasonable team and shape.  Having not been there last night it's difficult to say, but judging on the Oldham performance where we switched formation with a huge degree of success it seems that the players aren't all tactically drilled as they should be.

I hope he goes 4-4-2 on Saturday, plays a nice solid team which is hard to score against.  At the moment we seem to be trying to play decent football (trying being the operative word) and looking to win games 4-3 ala Keegan style.  Typical of a manager who was an attacking player.

But what shape do we go with?  The 3-4-3 looked great vs. Oldham but would it genuinely work for 90 minutes?  In 03/04 we played 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2 whatever you want to call it) and switched to 4-4-2 at the Brentford away game around Christmas time.  In my opinion, if we play 4-4-2 Shakes or Roberts must be on the right wing, and Nicholau on the left.  No one else in the squad has convinced me they are a proper winger (assuming Buzzer's on his way out) and width is vital - particularly when playing with Fallon up front, who's height is an inevitable asset.  This kind of tactic worked wonders vs. Forest and made us look a good side, although after the Scunthorpe result I can't help wondering if it was Forest's ineptitude or our skill which made us look so strong.

One thing's for certain - a continual switching of formation is not helping anyone.  A late attacking change to 3-4-3/4-4-3 (or 2-3-5 if you play FM2K5!) is fair enough, but I really do think after 5 odd years in charge King should have a settled formation.

I think that we have good players but we need to choose a formation and get players in that suit that formation. TBH I know you are going to shoot me down on this cos Shakes was one of our best players last night but he is hardly the right player to be a wing back. I would rather him hogging the right touch line and being able to get forward nd being able to put ccrosses in with a 4-4-2 formation.

it's gotta be 4-4-2  shakes and nicolau hugging the touchline, simple.

I'm with you on that one.  He's the best right winger at the club on the evidence I have seen, although admittedly he's not played much so it's not a lot of evidence!  Unless Buzzer dramatically improves with fitness Shakes is a more exciting winger.  Obviously his defensive qualities are nil, but he's like a poor man's Shaun Wright-Phillips!

I agree with everything above, and I especially agree with the highlighted stuff.

We switched to 4-4-2 after about 20 minutes, on saturday we'll probably stick with the 4-4-2 we were using seeing as our league form has been good.

2 losses, a draw and a win against a crap Forest side? I wouldn't call that good!

A win against a side that were former European champions and favourites for promotion, a credible away draw and clean sheet, a close defeat to a team who are tipped for the title (Oldham) and a away defeat.

Not too bad and we have shown a marked improvement in the last couple of league games, we had a extremely difficult start on paper and a less than ideal pre-season, with this in mind we have done alright.

"a win against a side that were former european champions"

clutching at straws there Benjamin!!!

I applaude Bens optimism,but i'll have to agree with sy.

They were promotion favourites, it was an outstanding win and should not be underestimated.

Fair enough promotion favourites, but the tag "former European champions" means nothing.  If we get knocked out of this years FA Cup by West Auckland is that ok because they were the first ever World Club Champions?

Forest really disappointed me when we played them and look at their last few results,losing to the iron for fucks sake, oh how the mighty have fallen.

Forest may well be former European champions but they've lost their last four games.

In the third tier of the English footballing pyramid.  Says it all really.

Now if we'd beaten Ajax or Bayern Munich a couple of weeks ago.....

They have undeniably got some superb players and may well turn it around, the season is very early. It was a great win for us.

They were fucking shit Ben, end of. One swallow does not make a summer.

We made them look shit, as I said they have a great squad.

It doesn't matter how you look at it, our league form has not been good.  End of.  One win in 5 games is not good form.  We're in the shit if we don't win on Saturday.

Going with a flat 3 at the back was fucking stupid

Wycombe are known for their pace (Tyson and Betsy) go we play with 3 central defence and no full backs to stop the wingers running straight at us

Fucking stupid....

wahey we beat forest, promotion favourites which means exactly fuck all the bookies know jack shit at this level, fuck sake I got odds of 14/1 on Grant Smith scoring first for us against Barnsley. Clutching at straws, say what you like about who Forest used to be, but now they are a shit side just like us....

They lost to Macclesfield in the Cup last night, never thought they would find this league easy.

Just like to point out that we are now just three points off first place and I for one would definitely have taken that after 5 games, also with 7 points from our last 3 games our league form is definitely good.:D

Oh and Nottingham Forest won 3-1 away to Gillingham today.

Very tough game on Monday though.

Id be happy with a 4-0 win at Tranmere. :wink: