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...brought into the England squad for the forthcoming fixtures.

Discuss.

a player who can hold the ball up, hurrah! he'll be brought on when we need 2 goals to win with 5 mins left then

Good news -
Better than Bent and Johnson.
Heskey has always played well alongside Owen.
Goes down a bit easy for such a big guy, but does have a touch of class.

i'm just looking forward to us having a different type of striker than owen. bent, defoe, johnson etc

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  (I know he scored against us but he is shite)

we're doomed!

What an oaf.

McClaren, genius or disaster,.....discuss.

He's a fuckwit.


End of.

Rather have Heskey than Bent and Johnson, and if he can play like he did for Wigan at the end of last season, where he virtually kept them up in that game against Sheff. Utd., then we should be OK.

McClaren is an absolute disater, but then again, what do you expect from a scummer.

McClaren baffles me. I believe McClaren will have to win a major tournament to win over the fans - and that won't happen for various reasons whether it's because of McClaren's tenure or not - but his reign has been laughable... He's a yes man - he's guttless and lacks leadership.... etc etc etc.

These are two games that we simply must win:- I can't see why he didn't include Ashley Young or Emile Heskey for the Germany friendly if he felt there was a remote chance they'd make the "important" squad. That's what friendlies are all about, are they not?

Agreed.

Why oh why Emile Heskey? Sucks dogs cock.

Just shows how mediocre a team we are.

To be honest I don't think England should be in the top 16 teams in the world at the moment.

  Simply we don't have much to pick from.....with the Crouchmeister suspended, we're a bit strapped.  

  Its been said for some years now that the influx pf foreign players will harm the England team and I'd say we're now starting to see this.

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emile heskey, wasnt he ball boy in the playoff final of 93'

best job for him

Big man little man combination, only option we have really. Fair enough like everyone else said will be better than playing owen with defoe etc.

But McLaren is a dick

england are fucking shit.

you're shit

both true.

:cry:

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Your all fucking shit  :wink:   :D

Seriously though this thread is a joke right? I mean Emile Heskey?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

If Crouch can be allowed onto an International football field, why shouldn't all comers?

i saw this coming a while back..to be honest heskey has been playing well and is by far the best partner for owen. he loves playing off a big target man

Then McWassisname should take the risk and stick Heywood upfront.

I was impressed with your essay.  The sentence is grammatically correct, and involves no ambiguity.  The use of words is economical, no syllable is wasted.  You make a logical and forceful argument, with limited opportunity for rebuttal.  Nice use of the present tense, clearly implying that the situation is here and now.  You are awarded 100%, for excellent content and appropriate use of the English language.

Ace  8)

Three questions that you might want to ask yourselves:

That qualifier in which England demolished Germany, who played up front with Owen?

Have you played as well since?

Who does Owen want to play alongside?

i like emile heskey. i think he is ace. people with a very tunnel vision view of football think hes shit.
































tunnel vision means your thick as pig shit.

I quite like Heskey. Yes, when he first left Liverpool he did turn into an absolute donkey, but last season he nearly single handedly carried Wigan.

I've got him in my fantasy football team this season  8)

I'm undecided.

Initially I though oh dear however based on form then give him a go, deserves a shot.

I'd argue that  "End of. " , as a sentence, is not grammatically correct.

Heskey, is very much like David James.

He performs much better when he isnt at a big club and in the media every week.

I think it's going backwards a bit... Maybe if McLaren used friendlies properly and actually tried some people out, he wouldn't have to revert to players who are probably past their best on the international scene.

I think he's the best option available and deserves his go on that basis.  It does however show up the myth that we are world beaters when we have players such as him in our team.

Has Lampard been ruled out yet?

They said on the BBC Lampard is pretty certain to miss this one and V Russia but hopeful Gerrard will be fit.

Good good.

Problem with Heskey is that he used to run through defences and barge people out of his way. Now when anyone gets so much as a pinch of his shirt he goes to ground.

Not saying that it's not a foul, but he's a much better player when he carries on regardless.

Technically, I would agree but, some license is appropriate.  The author could have stated "This is the end of the argument".  However common usage of "End of" captures that meaning, but with greater finality.   On the one hand, technically it is not grammatically correct, but on the other hand there is efficiency in use of words, without loss in meaning.  A very precise and thorough critique of McClaren has been made.  Full credit should be given for both style and content.

  Yeah but license is American.....licence is English, so undermines credibility as an arbiter of the English language.......and Heskey is shit.

An on form Heskey would be a major boost for England, when he stays on his feet he's probably one of the forwards defenders least like playing against, OK he's not a goalscorer but he's a fucking menace.

I'd have tried him a while ago.

Bollocks.

I apologise for my error, but "licence" is chiefly British but not exclusively.  So I don't think that the criticism is as clear cut as presented.

Anyone who thinks Heskey is good is deluded in my opinion. I see we have called up some Everton bloke i have never even heard of before. Our sqaud just gets better and better  :-))(

Its not a case of Heskey being good (not that he's not good) but being different.

All our strikers are the same and we've struggled to score goals.

Plus most european teams hate playing against a physical side

...and...if you've never heard of big Jo Lescott you need to pay more attention. He's been talked about for years as one day becoming an England international.

Would have been sooner if he didnt miss all of Wolves premiership season injured.

Who's that, Lucas?

True. I don't watch much Prem football anymore tbh. I have heard he has been playing well recently. I'm just not really a fan of the likes of Shorey and Heskey. I mean this is the national team we are talking about here. Having said that Lampard and Gerrard are shite enough anyway.

He is their in form defender who is running the show and scoring for fun  :wink:

I disagree, if you've heard of this "big Jo Lescott" fellow then you've been paying to much attention, however much I enjoy football most of it's bollocks. And keeping track of players who play well in the championship and then get moves to the premier league and then get called up for England just so you can say I told you so is rubbish.

I've heard of Bobby Howe. Why's he not in the England team Mr. Logic?

because he's fucking shit and no longer plays professional football.....

....he has however played in the UEFA Cup!

He is good for owen though and in fact if you look at the strikers heskey has played with they all enjoy playing alongside him.He creates so much space for others and gets so much shit for it aswell

Can't believe the german is laughing about the Heskey recall.   The gerries inability to deal with emile was one of the biggest reasons why england stuffed germany back in 2001 (?)

From a Scotland point of view I'd rather play an england side minus a big physically presence like Heskey up front than two strikers, who don't put it about, and are a little bit light weight.

From a person who dont tive a monkey's about england I think it's a good decision by SMc.

5-1, even heskey scored, 5-1 even heskey scored  :beers:

I forgot to say another major reason england won so convincingly was that the gerries' defence was awful, dire, shocking.  

Not seen such bad defending since France 1940 (when the gerries took full advantage).

I didn't think there was any football played during the war?

Heskeys not a bad shout given Crouch is missing.

Listening to 5live last night it was interesting to hear Gram Poll saying that Heskey stays up on his feet a lot more than when he was at Liverpool and looks a lot stronger, which is what we need up front.

He also said that at the World Cup Crouch was singled out by the chief of refs as a player "Who gets away with too many fouls" and "one to keep tabs on" - he reckons if we get one of the World Cup refs in any of our games Crouch will be called up loads for fouls etc.

Haven't you seen Escape to Victory?

Is that the one where Steve McQueen escapes on a motorbike or something?

2-1, even Kuranyi scored, 2-1 even Kuranyi scored :wink:

5 - 1 = qualifier

1 - 2 = pointless friendly

 :wink:

If only

indeed but we still qualified for the World Cup regardless of this and achieved a better outcome in the WC, even though England have many so called 'world-class :roll: ' players

but, that World Cup Germany had a piss easy route to the final......the route we should have had because we should have been seeded above you because we qualifed ahead of you.

we got fucked over that year!

It doesn't matter you can only beat what is put in front of you, it was easier but that is how it goes.

the fact it was easy wasnt the point, the fact is we beat you and qualifed ahead of you....yet you got seeded above us - which to me doesnt make sense.

If we'd had the same run as you, we would have made it to the final easily.

I hope there was a certain amount of sarcasm in that DV.

If not that's half of england's problem's, looking to others to blame, you fucked yourselves over.

Played shit against Sweden, diving Owen wins the game against the argies, play shit in final group game, beat a stage struck danish side, then fail to beat, sorry lose to, 10 man Brazil.

but why did Germany get seeded above us, when we qualifed ahead of them?

If anyone argues their team is good enough to win the competition then surely the route to get there doesn't matter.

We fucked up.  End of.  All we can do is hope we qualify for 2008 and try and make amends.  If not we have noone to blame but ourselves.

DV are you suffering from some sort of memory loss?

England were crap in that world cup, take off your rosey tinted glasses for a minute.  England played alright against the Brasillians, other than that what makes you think that England would have "easily" reached the final?

I doubt England would have got out the group had they been placed in with Ireland, Cameroon and Saudi Arabia.

That world cup was a lottery due to the climate, no country "easily" qualifies for the final of WC, in any WC tournament.

Canada?

Si was that you changing this thread title  :D

I don't think so...

Because of the performance of the German national side in the previous x amounts of championships.  1994 put paid to england's top seeds hopes in 2002.

Everyone knows the rules mate, you sound like a gillingham fan bitching that away goals didn't count double in the play offs against us.

Or Pompey fans crying about us going up when they finished just behind West Ham in 93.

You're the one suffering from memory loss

Where did I say we werent crap? England have been crap since about 96....

Rose Tinted specs, I cant stand the English national team

Germany, however were also crap at that World Cup and probably had one of the weakest Germany teams I've ever seen, however the got the luck of the draw and untill they got to the Final they didnt have to play a single decent team....

Obviously their seeding played a part in them being drawn as the 'a team' in their group where as were seeded as a 'b team' despite qualifing ahead of Germany.

"Obviously their seeding played a part in them being drawn as the 'a team' in their group where as were seeded as a 'b team' despite qualifing ahead of Germany." DV said that

Again check the rules mate, I'm sure they were drawn up well in advance of the start of the qualifying matches.




So if england were crap how would they easily qualify for the final then?  I'm confused.  

Surely they'd struggle passed the yanks, Irish, South Koreans (who had already knocked out the Italians and Spaniards).  I'm not saying they couldn't have done it, but to say they'd easily get to the final hints at arrogance to me.

you make a valid point DV, however you still manage to make it sound like sour grapes.

Thats an impressive skill, that.

the same way any football team wins games, the other teams are worse.

Compared to Manchester United and Chelsea, Swindon Town are crap....so how the fuck do we win games? oh yeah because we come up against teams worse than us.

As crap as England are, they are a much better team then the USA, Ireland or South Korea and its not exactly an impossible outcome that we could have beaten all those teams.

Most teams ranked in the top 15 of the World would be capable of getting past those teams, not just England.

Do you think something else could be the new black jayohaitchenn?

I don't think England should ever be seeded as punishment for fans thinking they're better than they actually are.

Surely that fact that we qualified above Germany and still weren't good enough to be seeded above them shows that we're not that good.

I accept that DV, what I don't accept was your original statement that england would have easily got to the final, as that is wrong.

Take a quick look at the results of the knock out stages of that tournament, most were very close games that could have went either way.

Brazil didn't exactly ease their way through now did they?

Its like finishing 20th, 15th, 15th and 12th, then finishing top of the league the next season and not being promoted, because another team have finish 3rd of the last 4 seasons and have a better record in the league despite us finishing above them

We went out as soon as we came up against Brazil
Germany went out as soon as they came up against Brazil

I think anybody else would probably have gone out as soon as they came up against Brazil that year. So we're all equal  :D

It's not really is it? There's still a large amount of luck in the draw wherever you're seeded.

That comparison is like saying having the shits is a bit like getting bum raped by Emile Heskey and all his buddies down the Donkey Sanctuary.

That's how world Cups have been seeded for years.  I'm sure this must have worked in England's favour in the past, in the euro's perhaps (?).

It's the same way the Champions League is seeded.

It's the way that the football authorities have decided to do things.

yes, the problem with making statements in real life is you can't use winky emoticons... :oops:

:o

I doubt it's worked in our favour much because we've not really done well enough for it to.

I think us English must just accept our fate, a bit like the Scots FIFA ranking thnaks to Bertie causing you to have a very difficult task to qualify.  Something we should take note of when playing friendlies I think.