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Just for a bit of fun!  :hmmm:

Lib-Dems but will will be a hung parliament I would think. Sadly Brown will still be PM.

lib dems.
i think the tories will get in.cunts!

Lib Dems.

I don't trust Cameron and Labour have screwed this country royally.

I think about the only thing you can guarantee about the aftermath of this election is that whatever the outcome (Tory win, hung parliament, Lib Dem win or Labour win) is that Brown will NOT be PM once the dust settles. If there's a hung parliament resulting in a coalition involving Labour he might hang around for long enough to get the coalition established but I think Labour will be getting rid of him as soon as is humanly decent, and probably before

I agree. Will be a hung parliament but Brown will not be PM.

If Labour get rid of Brown though  who would replace him? Alistair Darling & Ed Bulls are bigger muppets than our current PM.  

I'm no Brown supporter but the whole Labour party needs a huge restructure because there are more muppets in there than the Muppet show  ;D

i can't see how labour will hang in there.many of their previous voters(like myself)are switching to lib dem or even switching to the conservatives.but those who have always voted tory will stick with them.
a hung parliament i think is a cert, but sadly cameron will be pm.

I think arriba's right, and I suspect Labour may even come 3rd. And as to a Brown replacement, I'd have though one of the Millibands or Alan Johnson would be well ahead of Darling or Balls

almost certainly will be an hung parliament but will be very interesting to see how it develops. it's difficult to imagine any of the three main parties agreeing on anything...

i'm voting lib dem or green. not decided yet.

True but Brown will still be there for a while though (25th May Government has to be formed????), Brown is a miserable stubborn cunt and will stick about as long as possible until he is pushed as you say. I meant that it wont be cut and dry tommorrow and Brown will still be around for a couple of weeks yet sadly.

As i live in Camerons constituency i am voting for the loony party candidate.

chipping norton is witney constituency? didn't realise that.

it does explain the vandalised conservative signs along the a429/a4244

They may come 3rd but dosen't it go on how many seats they win, so percentage wise they may come 3rd but seats's wise they may come 2nd, I really cant see any of them getting enough 'seats' (326 ?) to have an outright majority.

I suspect that someone will take goverment without the majority but will form agreements with other smaller parties so as not to vote against them.

Before anyone votes, they could do worse than read this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-welcome-to-cameron-land-1962318.html

P.S. Keep the avatars coming, Sonic, I'm loving Gordon Cole.

I voted Lib Dem by postal partly because I do not want the Conservatives in, partly to stop the Conservatives winning this "safe" Lib Dem seat here in South Somerset, and partly due to the fact that the Conservative candidate lives 100 miles away from here in London.

Oh and because there were only 5 candiates, Labour - Lib Dem - Cons - Ukip and BNP.

Nobody.

I'm gonna vote for the independant candidate

Which one? The crazy anonymous guy?

Yeah. I've just seen him stuffing leaflets through doors near me, covered head to foot in cushions and cloths and wearing ski goggles.

To be honest, he's probably the one I most associate with anyway, which should surely be why people vote for whjo they vote.

For those not aware - http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/news/N-joins-way-Bath-election-fight/article-2045111-detail/article.html

Was not going to vote but changed my mind now and will be.
Was going to be UKIP but it will Conservative for me...for the first time ever.
Like the idea about conscription for youngsters and i think they will come down hard on scroungers too.
Lib/Dems are abit wishy washy for me and there Euro stance isnt for me...as for Labour well everythings been said on here really by the people now voting Lib/Dem.....i feel they have really pissed on the working man.

I live in a safe Tory seat so doesn't really matter who I vote for. I am voting Independent though.

Labour will get hammered imo, all those polls who put the three parties close well I've heard it all before, they predicted Kinnock would win easily and he lost.
A large proportion of those who have voted for Lib-Dems in the polls will go probably back to there normal parties when it comes to the crunch and vote like they always have, but still say when asked that they voted Lib-Dem. It will become a traditional two-way vote - Tories or Labour.
Conservative win and a easy win.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-welcome-to-cameron-land-1962318.html

Best comment I've seen/heard so far on the election is a tie between the Institute of Fiscal Studies saying none of the parties are really facing up to quite how much shit we're in (or if they are, they're not coming clean with us about it) and Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England, saying that when the recession really starts to bite, the measures necessary to deal with it will make whoever does win the election so unpopular they'll be out of power for a generation.

We're all sitting on the beach talking about the tsunami that's about to hit like we've already dealt with the worst of it and a few windbreaks will deal with the rest. And we've got a mighty fucking wake-up call to come. Whoever "wins"

I HEARD THAT!

The only people who ACTUALLY know how fucked up the economy is, is the current government, and they have their heads in the sand, as proved by still planning on increasing the debt despite what is happening to the PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain).

The Tories and Lib Dems will have a rough idea, but it's all speculation do some degree on their part. But I can see big cuts AND tax increases thanks to the fuck up Brown and co. have left us to pay for for years to come. Of course this is from the man that sold the country's gold on the cheap, despite being advised not to, but of course, he knew better.

I still haven't decided yet. UKIP or Tory for me though. Can't stand the wet lemons that are the Lib Dems. Too soft on some issues. Never in a million years would I vote Labour after what Brown and Blair have done to fuck this country up. Sadly all 3 are main parties are pretty dire this time.

This should sort it

http://whoshouldyouvotefor.com/

I'll probably vote Conservative. I haven't voted since I was 19, but with my business head on I need Labour out of office. Only problem is I like foxes so I'll vote no in a referendum.

Either Tories or Lib Dems... But seeing as the Lib Dem lass lives in Wincanton, and Justin Tomlinson is my Tory candidate, I'll probably vote for him. I'll just have one last perusal of the policies before I head out though, just in case I missed something I really like/hate.

UKIP for me. I'm a lifelong Labour fan but they are totally unelectable. I'd rather chew my own testicles off than vote tory. Lib Dems are sexual deviants. BNP are sexual deviants with each other as they hate everyone else. That leaves UKIP.

I'll do my bit to try and avoid 'David Cameron PM'.

Haven't decided who I'll vote for yet though. Newcastle East is a new constituancy which merges a Labour stronghold with what used to be a Librel Democrat area of Newcastle.

Aren't they all? As best I can tell, they're all talking about reducing/halving the ongoing defecit (ie the amount of extra borrowing pa), but not the overall debt, at least initially. But then, as the IFS said, given how bloody vague they've all been about it, it's very difficult to tell what any of them plan to do. Or even if they know themselves. They're just wafting soundbites around and trying to look nice on telly. Their actual policies seem to largely consist of not being the other lot

If anyone goes into the voting booth tomorrow thinking whoever they vote is going to make the current economy come up smelling like a bed  of roses then they are in for a big shock.

We need to stop being a nanny state and harden up and grow a set of bollocks and start becoming independent because at the moment this country's operates like a lemming

Now I'm no political pundit but isn't UKIP the Tory party with the anti europe thing going on?

If so, is that gnawing sound your testicles being removed bit by bite?

Can't vote for the three big ones so it's the protest vote for me. BNP, English Alliance, Eat up your greens or the Independents

Exactly. None of them really know how to solve it. Not least because they don't know what's yet to come and nor can they

I can't stand Europe. The gnawing sound of my testicles being removed bit by bit is the unelected EU rat that is eating away at them very stealthfully and at great cost in Euros to me, in a foreign accent, and then creating a testicle mountain that nobody wants but sells it at low cost to Africa to help fuck up their economies.

Fully agree. Why we continue to give £6bn (used to be half thanks to the rebate, until Bliar gave it up for nothing) to an organisation that hasn't had it's accounts signed off for 15 years due to fraud is beyond me?

I can think of better ways to spend £6bn annually.

I've sent off my postal vote for the lib dems. I'm not sure why anyone would vote for ukip, their policies are ridiculous and they are basically a joke party.

They're against wind turbines, even though they're a great idea for this country and they want to massively increase the military budget but pull out of Afghanistan which seems pretty weird unless they are intending to start world war 3. The rest of their policies seem intent on taking the country back 100 years.

The figures they use in their manifesto are absolute nonsense, with retarded statements like leaving the EU would save us £120 billion a year. In reality this figure is competely made up, as we don't even contribute £120 billion to the EU per year and we receive £46 billion from the EU which they completely ignore. That doesn't even take into account any loss of trade or projects which we should definitely contribute to, whether we were in the EU or not, like the European Space Agency, CERN and ITER. How can you expect them to have the first clue about running the country when they don't even understand basic maths?

£6bn is small fry in comparison to other public spending. Servicing our debts costs £30bn alone.

It might be, but I would rather pay off debts than pay it to MEP's, who feather their nests by just turning up, sign in then go home, and the CAP.

How about maybe the Scots and Welsh paying for there subscriptions on medicine...like us English have to.
Last estimates was that would free up 32 billion pounds in a year..basicly the government is footing the bill for all the free medicine those two countries year in and year out.

Plaid and SNP keep banging on about being underfunded on the news, now I don't have the figures to hand, but I'll be fucking stunned if that's true.

Wrong.

The regional assemblies are given their own 'budget' each year to cover devolved powers and have to direct it as they see fit i.e. health, education, transport etc. It just so happens the Welsh and the Scots choose to put part of their budget towards providing free prescriptions.

UKIP - can any supporter tell me why the party hates the EU but seems to think poodle like subservience at great financial and human cost to the US - completely unelected - is not on a par?

They're not French.

After a lot of soul-searching, I'm voting Labour.

For every mistake, there have been new hospitals, new schools and new jobs.  For every war, a genuine intent to create a fairer country.  For every Gordon Brown, a million people who still believe in a socially progressive society - hence the sudden, mass attraction to a shiny, new Nick Clegg.  But scratch beneath the veneer of the Lib Dems and there's nothing there just yet.

As many of us in his constituency know, Cameron would be a disaster.  That a man so vapid, so desperate to please, so fucking punchable, so lacking in principles, vision and experience should be remotely close to becoming PM is an indictment of politicians of all parties, and the level of political debate in this country.  Don't do it.

And although I might moan about it, I quite like having a job.

indeed

witney is hardly brimming with positivity, the marriots walk development has had little impact and aside from providing a cinema and a few dozen jobs, it doesn't contribute much. there is very little work around here, certainly compared to where i've been looking for jobs in west midlands in recent weeks... i really didn't realise just how few jobs there are here.

most of the candidates around here are a joke, it'll be an easy seat for cameron again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4gpHnEXZJY

This is my major issue with politics. In a way I'd quite like it to be a hung parliament to teach them how to grow some testicles and fight for what they really believe.

On another note, has Obama changed the world yet? Thought not.

Handily missing the first 30 seconds of that video where he was physically prevented from going about his lawful occassions and SPAT at by by one of the "Asian kids"

Then you who posted the vidoe and it all makes sense. Good job that BBC London showed the spitting incident on the 1830 news programme eh? Wouldn't want anyone to fall for this sort of propoganda now would we!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8663681.stm

Independent for me. The 'Big Three' can fuck right off.

haha, i hadn't seen that full video. it was rather "cunningly" edited.

however it does make brown's biogted woman comment seem rather tame :D

I don't think I'll bother, or maybe Labour but only to avoid a Conservative win.  I'd probably vote lib if they were close to Labour to try and push the hung parliament idea - it's about time the whole system was changed.

Interesting that Brown needs to resign as PM and then provide his recommendation to the Queen on who should replace him.  If the Conservative's fail to get even a workable minority government in place, it's pretty unlikely Brown would offer up Cameron as PM, so that's only going to happen with an overall majority.  More likely is either a change in Labour leader and a return to the polls or a Lib/Lab deal with some new chap in charge for a bit while proportional rep is put in place.  I quite liked that Johnson chap if we have to have a Labour PM, or maybe they could go the modern route and have a job share - Labour get Monday to Wednesday and Libs get Thursday and Friday.


Ultimately I think big business runs this country now anyway so my purchasing habits have more influence in the real decisions.

All the more reason to vote for some one whether it's Independent, Green or the Legalise Cannabis Party - whoever you've got in your constituency.

I still believe a big Conservative vote will give Cameron a small majority on the day.

But at the end of the day we need a change of government, Labour in the early Blair days was a breath of fresh air after so many years of spin from the Conservative. It stinks like hell now and we have to change, and at least give a bit of confidence in the country.

A hung parliament with Labour still having any input into running this country will be disaster. Thank God I wont live here in three or four years time.

Im going to decide at the polling station :o

I think it is going to be a larger than normal turn out to vote at this election.
That is why I believe the Conservatives will receive a hell of lot more votes than the opinion polls are showing at the moment.

Holy fuck!

http://yfrog.com/jncm8hj

The Sun in outlandish political statement shocker. Now there's a surprise.

[url width=295 height=340]http://darkjournal.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/borat-not-jb.jpg[/url]

It's all getting a bit tedious now. Just want the whole saga over with.

Is it on all the TV tonight? I bloody hope not.

Yep. BBC1, ITV1, C4 and Sky.

Well yes but it is more how shit it is. A shit version of a shit poster that has already been used in every shifty student election mixed with a line from Star Wars? Mckenzie is a grade A cunt but, unlike Wade, his paper stood out.

I voted Lib Dem,Its probably wasted and will only help Tory Boy Tomlinson get in but a leaflet from the Labour Party telling me this swayed me away from them.

Lib Dem...but i live in a Lib Dem solid constituency (far to the north!).  It is impossible to call what is going to happen....I am not a totally convinced Lib Dem, and have voted Labour in the past where there was a truly radical Labour candidate.  Polls suggest Lib Dem vote being squeezed again from its highs of a week or so ago, but cannot predict effect of huge postal vote this time. (Is it really true that postal votes can be delivered today?  What is the point?) And also much larger than normal numbers of undecided.  Interestingly, polls other than in the newspapers, (like facebook and here) keep the Lib Dems at a very high level....  The best that can be hoped for is a significant rise in Lib Dem vote overall to ensure an overhaul of the voting system, which is completely unjust, for next time.

I got the same leaflet yesterday. I considered wiping my arse with it, but then realised it was glossy and it probably wouldn't go too well.

Channel 4 are having a spoof election night, with david mitchell jimmy carr and charlie brooker

I dont think its a spoof

Yep, looks like it could be quite fun.

Well no, but it's none of the serious swingometer charade

Argh I still can't decide!!! And I was accidently looking at the wrong canidates as I assumed Bromham would come under the Chippenham constituancy...... Ummm but it doesn't! Whoopsee! Oh well I can't vote till after work now
All I know is I won't be voting Tory!

Good!!! The more who don't, the better, especially in Wiltshire!!

I have the dilemma of actually having a vote that could make a difference to the local result.  I know!  Shocking...

Ben Bradshaw (Lab) had a majority of just 7k last time round with both Lib Dems and Tories targetting the seat.

May just spoil the ballot paper with "THIEVING CUNTS"   ;)

Tory vote for me, think they'll take both Swindon seats from Labour.

If there was a get Labour out box I'd tick that.

LimDem.....defeat the tories.

it has annoyed me a bit at the amount of people who say "i like the lib dems but they have no chance, so i'll vote for either labour or conservative"
if all those people stuck to what they actually wanted to do, we might see some real change in this country.being the stubborn fucker that i am, i stuck with who i want to win.

Tories for me, which would surprise no body who knows me.
Labour is a disaster. I think their candidate from Norfolk summed them up.
Liberals have some good ideas, but they also have some totally idiotic ideas & they change policies every year anyway.
Ny heart is with UKIP, but head says Tories. Any other result & we are headed the way of greece.

If some papers are to be beleived we are heading the way of greece anyway, regardless who wins.

I had a last minute impulse vote at the polling station and voted independent as a protest vote.

So who are the 5 people on here who voted BNP?

Or did you just say you are to be rebellious? :D

[url width=521 height=293]http://imgur.com/59L8v.jpg[/url]

Brussels done it.

Polish plane. Couldn't make it up.

FFS, BBC showing the pictures of him being dragged out is a bit unnecessary isn't it?

Ive not been up to vote yet.

My old mans claim to fame is that he was head of the selection comittee that selected Cameron as parliamentary candidate for the Tories in 2001 when he was chairman of the local conservative association (Witney).

If Cameron gets in as PM you can blame me!

Hes a total twat, id like to see a bit more blood and maybe a broken arm or something.

I'll blame Ralphy, as per usual.

Nigel Farage that is not Tans Dad :D

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

News are reporting crash caused when the "Vote UKIP" banner they were towing got caught in the plane's tail or something. Hoist by your own Farage!

I'm sat on the toilet conducting my own exit poll. the yellow party streaked into an early lead, but the brown party are firmly in the driving seat now after initially taking the strain.

channel 4 have an alternative election night on tonight with mitchell, Brooker and carr presenting. should be good

Euuuuw Batch that's repulsive!

Ditto

I dunno, Mitchell, Carr and Brooker should be alright.

Lauren Laverne is on it too. That's put me right off.

Fair enough...I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer jfw gave some moments ago.

 I was talking more about the toilet commentry than what's on TV tonight!

Do you have to vote at the polling station thats on your card?

If you want to vote.......yes (I think  ???)

Gay. There's another one closer, and not uphill. Grrr

There was one at the end of my street but I had to go to a different one 10 mins away.

Went down the polling station - St Phillips church - at 5:15 - only voter there. busniess does not appear to be very brisk.

Queued for a good 5 mins at Abbey Meads...

Just got back... Pretty quiet along the Byker Wall.

I now have the democratic right, the democratic right to whinge and moan for years if who I voted for is unsuccessful :)

God bless democracy (wipes tears from eyes)

Better! You've got the right to whine like fuck even if they win, about the way they lied and have betrayed you.

24 Tories...

this place is going to the Dogs

......and 6 BNP.

Ignorant children

Right, now this fucking shite beauty parade charade is nearly over...

I did my duty this morning and destroyed my ballot paper with "There is not a choice for no goverment" dug into it hard with a rapidly blunting pencil.

I came up with a good analogy this morning. A man with a gun turns up at my front door and says "Mr Talk Talk, you and your family are going to die. Would you prefer to be shot, hung from the neck until ye be dead, gassed or electrocuted?" "Well actually, none of those." "Sorry Mr Talk Talk, we're in charge and you have to choose one."

It's an extreme example but the principle is the same. The reality of the 2.5 realistic choices we have is akin the being fucked up the arse i) with no lube, ii) with carborundum paste iii) with the perpertrator wearing a Nick Clegg mask.

Fuck them all.

Would life be different if you were voted in Talk Talk?

I stood as an independent at the last General Election. It taught me that those who desire power over others are evil cunts . Plus I lost a lot of personal money for my deposit trying to make a point (it deters anybody with an interest and passion as well as the nutters).

Why would anybody put a cross on a piece of paper to endorse a system where bastards like politicians tell you how to run your life and steal a very large percentage of your income from you under threat of prison?

From the Guardian election blogger:

:D

can we ban the cunts?

i would be sorely tempted if i could see who they were.

that's democracy sonicyouth style

You and your type brought them to this Lumpy Trotsky.

It is your fault.

I just don't get this witch hunt on the BNP. They have every reason to exist the same as Labour etc. I can't stand the cunts but banning then is childish. the best thing is to get them out in the open and beat them with logic. Shouting them down is not the answer.

that would be perfectly fine if BNP members/supporters responded to logic.


everyone are capitalist bastards anyway

Logic will work if you're patient - its a bit like eating an elephant. Shouting them down will just get them digging their jackboots in.

First constituency goes to Labour, but down 8.4% which would be a real issue if that was national.

i'm torn on that anyway, whilst i find the bnp abhorrent i also detest censorship.

i'm just hoping for anything-but-tory as i want to keep the hunting ban.

Lumpy Cunty and his party aren't.

http://www.communist-party.org.uk/index.php (http://www.communist-party.org.uk/index.php)

whos staying up?

exit polls = yawn same old same old..

and wheres Peter Snow!?!

Don't worry, Jeremy Vine is still around to make a dick of himself.

me and the wife. i have two bottles of mountain dew, a coffee maker ready to brew and a tub of pringles.



i'll be asleep by 1

I set fire to my ballot paper and had sex with the remains.

I'm staying up until I fall asleep. I'm guessing 1.40

I'm up and energised at the moment, but will not make it through the night.  Hopefully by 2am we will have a good picture.

Biggest story could turn out to be thousands of people who were queuing and weren't able to vote.

unless you are actually married dont call your girlfriend your Wife.Its totally Cringeworthy..well I think it is anyway...

Im sure i agree with agrees

I'm trying to stay up, but mindfull I have to be at work at 8am :(

I just woke up,Ive drunk a bottle of wine and have another.My ears and throat itch :(

I'll be awake till 3

I believe elections should be on Fridays - an nice lie in after a late night, instead of out the door at half seven on three or four hours sleep.  Its probably some kind of conspiracy - Talk Talk?

11.4% swing in the second strong Labour constituency. This is looking ominous.

i was talking about my cat

Swindon results due at 1.45am

Where did you find that out?

if that is true I will wait up, trying to check...

both will be blue I reckon:(
when I voted at 8 am there was a Tory sat there with his rosette on at Even Community Centre,quite why I dont know..
Actually i think he used to post on here as "Strattons Finest" but I could be wrong.He bought me and FB some beer once but he used to be fatter if its the same chap .Hes kinda cross eyed and socialy inept like most Tories.

i'll be up for a few hours yet.
i expect the tories to take swindon.
i wonder if tomlinson will give up going to ektos and other old skool nights once he's one of the towns mp's?

Hes really into Hardcore although I do wonder if his Printing company used to knock up the Ektos fliers.
Shame the Tories killed Raves.
Cunt

umm him not you :D

hahaha.kinda ironic that his party brought in the criminal justice bill which tried to kill the rave scene.

He used to be the Manager of Eros too.

Flashed up on the Beeb (West) about half hour ago.

Also

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/election2010/results/constituency/d25.stm

Sonic believes the bnp are weird and then he married his cat.  That's weird moving on to distasteful

I'd rather fuck a whole litter of tiny kittens than listen to anything the BNP have to say. 

No work for me in the morning, so i'll stay up watching it unfold for a while longer

I voted UKIP in the end.  It was them or the Greens.

Can't believe the ques on the news.  I was the only one voteing in the Westlea polling station 7.05 am.  The moral of that story, is get of your tired ass out, vote early, vote often.

May the most bland,mediocre and self serving party win.  They always do.

Polling list wasn't up-to-date in Chester.

Had a queue of 1000 stood outside with 4 women manning the polling station with 2 of them not doing anything.

at the polling station here, one woman was ticking people's names off the list whilst the other peeled off the ballot paper and handed it to you.

no wonder the queues were mental elsewhere...

good times, could well be a tory majority if they suck the ulster unionists off well enough.

Surprised at the shit projected result for the lib dems, looks like a load of people bottled it and voted labour. fuck knows why.

anyway. fuck off labour. cunts cunts cunts

Im starting to feel this is horrible,a Tory majority.I feel sick, I really do.

Tories doing very well it seems. Expect them to win both Swindon seats tbh

Looking that way. I'm suspecting Lib Dems and Tories both being a bit up on the Opinion Polls.

:harhar:

Loving the crazy looking guy behind Brown.

Land is Power!

ditto.

Yougov predicted David Cameron to be the prime minister of a minority government yesterday, which seems pretty likely.

 I hope the lib dems do better than the exit polls sugggest.

I think he is aligned to Mike from Spaced.

Swindon results now not expected till 3am according to the BBC News site.

It's still too close to call RE: a Tory overall majority.

I'm not sure they'll get it...

Ha, ha, ha, Lembit Opik lost his seat. Good, I hate that twat

#  02:17

The BBC freelancer at the Swindon North count says a local Labour source has told her he expects the seat to go from Labour to Conservative.

No shit, sherlock (not you, bigbobjoylove, the sauce). If the Tories don't get Swindon North, they may as well pack up and go home - JT should be home and dry there.

Blimey! Cameron's held onto Witney - devastating result for sonic :)

safest seat EVER

good job i'm moving to kenilworth next month

#  03:02

The BBC's freelancer at Swindon South is told by vote counters that Labour and Conservatives are neck and neck in the constituency. Declaration expected after 0330.

I'll see your BBC freelancer and raise you a "Conservative sources"

I wish they'd hurry the fuck up...

I'm going to drive down there in a minute and bang some heads together. "Count faster you bastards, some of us have got work in the morning!"

Dear Dave was one of 69 people who voted for ANON in Bath as the Lib Dems hold with a much increased majority.

Snelgrove's gone then...

Seems an inevitable shame, but the spoken of "end of two party politics" was an apparition. 

I woke up on the sofa slightly hung over to a Tory drinking Champagne and loads of odd looking Tory Boy type Students  cheering.I fucking hate them! they make me angry and they've ruined my day.

Lib Dems had a disaster but did well in the West Country as usual,I think people changed their mind at the voting booth after scare tactics from Labour.

How did the BNP get on?

Blimey these guys on BBC look alot better than I do after a night shift!

I'm tired and dont want to go to work. stupid election.

Thankfully that was on the Telly,id have got the Dog to bite the fuckers if it wasnt.

work update: posting this is making me late.

Oh my god, the green party got a seat. In Brighton. Clearly Mex's lot have gone loopy


Oh well.

They didn't. Griffin declared at 2am and limped in a distant 3rd, their other Great White Hope, deputy leader Simon Darby, came fourth in Stoke. Apart from that, a few bubbles of over 5% but mainly lost deposits all over the shop (about 80-90% of the 100+ seats they stood in). Apparently they've lost over £70k in lost deposits alone.

Congratulations to Justin T, btw, won at a romp in N Swindon

booo

Shock result of the night was dear old Esther who made no headway whatever with the coin-chucking hooligans of Luton South and ended up looking as silly as an amusing shaped vegetable of some form

Commie!

Love listening to the arrogant Tories on the radio.....penny still hasnt dropped that they havent won. They did well but not well enough.

 Couldnt beat Labour in a climate like this....unreal!

My boss would like to point out this is the fault of all the tree hugging lezzers not the gay men! Apprently?

or the forward thinking people of brighton, the majority of gay people in brighton ive in the next constituency along brighton kemptown.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8667071.stm

Gordon Brown, whose party has 247 seats, has returned to Downing Street with aides.

He kept that quiet.

Yeah or that!   :D

See that wanker James Grey got in again for North Wilts? Not that North Wilts is my constiuency anymore but - What a joke!

well well well.all the main parties will be a bit fucked off how things have gone.i'm really disapointed that prospective lib dem voters bottled it.shame..
anyway bring on a labour-lb-dem coalition.that will piss the tory scum off.hahahaha

It's all a bit odd isn't it? Labour lost, Tories didn't win, Lib Dems failed. But much as I'm in favour of "pissing tory scum off" as arriba puts it, can't help feeling it would be wrong for Lib Dems to prop up a failed Labour govt. Clearly not in line with the public mandate.

I think we're now in for a rough ride.

Run on the £ & Interest rates look set to rise.

The only way to prevent it is for Cameron & Clegg to work together which I can't see lasting.
The only good thing is Brown the fool who got the country into the mess will be off.

was brown running all the economies in the rest of the world too then phil?

No, but his reckless spending over the last 13 years means we're in a much worse off position to deal with the situation than we should be.

Its not rocket science to try and pay your debts off during good times rather than increase them is it?

didnt hear any cunt moaning in the good times.

most of the shit we're in we would have been anyway.brown has got the blame as he's the current pm.
if the tories do take over,it will be the needy who get their much needed services taken from them.i think the tories will last 1 term max, as they will prove to be worse then labour

and watch your interest rates soar, your winter fuel allowance disapear and the gwh fall to bits.

Amen to the Tongan!!

If it wasn't really rocket science does that mean we would save money on 'trident' ?

Gordon Brown (Blairs stooge) out Justin Tomlinson in...........................dear oh dear  :no:

The alternative being just keeping spending money the country dosnt have and go the way of greece? fucking brilliant

Anyway, it was far from clear at the election who was cuting what and when, the only clear thing being something has got to give no matter who is in power.

You can portray the tories as the nasty party of cuts as much as you like but whoever gets in would have to have done many of the same things - A situation made worse by labours spending over the last 13 years - the highest peacetime budget deficits on record

I don't like the Tories and didn't vote for them, but have to agree here. Whoever won, and whoever emerges in charge once the dust has settled, there are going to have to be huge cuts the likes of which nobody will currently admit to.

Thing is, a desire to check the deficit necessitates x amount of cuts. A desire to check the deficit while offering tax breaks to the richest 0.3 per cent of the population necessitates x+y amount of cuts.

Anyone who voted Tory and doesn't earn at least £50,000 a year (and probably a lot more) has shot themselves in the foot.

Lib Dem - Tory deal?  If that goes through the Orange bastards have lost my vote forever!

Surely a Cameron/Clegg pact would kill the Liberal Democrats?

I can't see what the Tories would offer the Lib Dems though, they're never going to go for voting reform and they hardly agree on most policies.

What tax break for the richest 0.3% of people?

As for the £50k a year figure, you've just made that up.  They've already said that the 50% tax rate on £150k+ earners has to stay (even though they dont like it) for example

I did make up the £50,000 figure, you're right, I just meant that only wealthy people will be better off under a Tory government. Ones who can afford private schooling and health care and the like.

The tax break I was referring to is regarding inheritance tax, which will be applicable to the 3,000 richest estates in the country.

The Tories would be best off politically letting Brown, carry on clinging on to power. Illustrates to me what the guy is all about. He is in the words of one labour candidate the most incompetent PM (& chancellor) ever. When we had growth under the last Tory government what happened. They paid off large chunks of the National debt. This left labour with a golden egg (Remember they did not cahnge too much at first of Tory fiscal management) After a while what did Brown do... He started by taxing all of our pension funds, started spending & wasting money hand over fist, selling the gold reserves at knock down prices, lying about a referendum, etc etc I could go on, but we were in massive debt before any recession. Just because any one from Labour puts the word global before the R word doesn't make it true. It's spin. Of all of the major economies we were & are one of the worst placed to ride out the recession & it's HIS fault.
Back to my point though. Who ever is in government will have to deliver some very nasty medicine over the next few months.  If they don't the £ will fall & interest rates will rocket or the IMF will make us deliver cuts as in the case of Greece. Part of ,me thinks that if Brown has to do it people will finally wake up to the reality of the situation he has created. If the Tories have to start to clear it up then they will be blamed & suffer at the next election in a few months or a years time

i can't see how things would be any better now if the tories were in governement the last few years.let's remember they have only really stopped being a complete joke since they re-invented themselves with cameron as leader.
alot of the time when gordon brown has made key decisions,cameron has come out and agreed with him.
if the tories were the current goverment, they would have been ousted now.

they will say we have to make cuts etc,but have spent millions on their election campaign,which labour and lib-dems didn't.they'll waste time and money pushing through the disgraceful pastime of killing foxes,deer, and hares for fun.when the public already came out 75% against it.they will look after their own.the working classes who stupidly voted tory will come to regret it.they'll be out next time. i'm 100% convinced of that

One thing that's pretty clear is if the Tories can't win an outright majority against 13-year incumbents, led by one of the most unpopular PMs in memory, on the brink of a massive recession, and with the Lib Dems failing they way they have, they're never going to get a better chance. I reckon Cameron played a big part in the Tories' underperformance, for all he's supposed to be the New Blair, he's massively repellent

I don't think we will be neccesarily better off under the Tories. Which is why the politically smart move by them would be to let Brown cling on to power. But that would not be in the national interest. With the tories the pain will be sooner but shorter, & would eventually lead to some form of normality. (If you can't afford the mortgage it's better to make cuts to your spending sooner & to the right level rather than put it off hoping for a pay rise whilst you go further into arrears)
Under Labour they will either cut as much & as deep, or it will be taken out of their hands by the markets, the creditors & the IMF as in the case of Greece.
As for the millions spent on the Campaign,  Labour had their donors too as well as the unions (Remember Formula One & the tobacco advertising bribe),  the House of Lords is stuffed full of them along with their unelectable disgraced ministers like Mandelson. In any event I don't see what the problem is if someone wants to throw their money at it. As long as we know about it. It's not like the money is from the tax payer (Unlike the increase in goverment spending on advertising in election years).

I agree... I think this "Big Society" Idea what ever that meant  was all wrong.

Brown statement, not resigning, very much carrying on as usual and ignoring that whole inconvenient election thing.

On your 1st point you are probablly right, I dont think we'd be much better off as a nation now if the tories had been in power for the last 2 years. There isnt much they could have done differently, its been economic firefighting. But economincally we would clearly be better off if they had been in power for the preceeding 11 years as they simply wouldnt have spent anywhere near as much and the nation would have had a much bigger cushion to fall back on now. We could afford smaller tax rises or smaller cuts than are now going to be neccessary.

As for the election campaign they can spend what they want as long as where it comes from is legal and is declared properly. Lets not forget that a mixture of the unions and wealthy benfactors fund the labour party.

As for fox hunting, I dont really like it either but theres about a million things more important to think about right now. If a bunch of toffs want to ride round the countryside in daft red coats chasing foxes for fun thats up to them.

Also agree with this. Whilst I may have voted for them and broadly support them, I've no idea why they thought this big society thing would be a vote winner.  I'm all for reducing the size of the current government (it wouldnt be hard) but like most people I've got no idea what the fuck they are going on about with a "Big society"

In Leeds, a guy stood having changed his name to "We Beat the Scum 1-0" in reference to the United result.

It's a real shame 6-0 on aggregate didn't stand, I'd have given his campaign a tenner!

my hope is that all of the pro-reform parties form a coalition to push it through parliament, at least that means the next election won't be a farce.

Cameron making an offer to the Lib Dems on the news now, but not mentioning electoral reform, unsurprisingly.

This is a mess really isnt it??

He did at one point appear to be about to say there was a lot of work to do to make the chutney the country was crying out for, but corrected it to change. Which is a shame, as I think the country genuinely is crying out for chutney and I quite like the idea of Cameron and Clegg with loads of old jam jars in the kitchen together churning out home-made chutney to deal with the export deficit. Plus it would have fit in well with his quotes about a new government "rolling up it's sleeves" (and putting on a pinney). Missed opportunity, already

A chutney reform would get my vote

Better than a pork reform. I'm not sure I could endure a campaign of spam.

Yep total. Problem is as far as I can see with PR then it would be like this every time

An Eton Mess quite literally.

Good points, although I think it's worth noting that the Tories' face an inbuilt bias in the electoral system; they have to win something like 2 million more votes to achieve the same number of seats as Labour, and they had to have the biggest swing in modern history to achieve a majority of just one. They always faced an uphill task.

Then of course there's the 'UKIP effect', which by my reckoning has cost the Tories about 18 seats in this election. I tried my best in Oxford West but didn't quite manage it.

Well, yes, the whole point of a PR system is that you will very rarely get a single party majority.

The whole point is that the make up of parliament would accurately reflect the votes cast.

It's not specifically to avoid single party majoritys.

As they stood as the only major party opposed to electoral reform, you'll forgive me if I use phrases containing the words "hoist" and "petard".

And in any case, it's the same system Blair completely smashed the Tories under and for that matter Thatcher smashed Labour under.

Cameron is a massive failure before he's even started

I didn't mean the specfic point of PR is to avoid a majority, moreso that it's a by-product of the effect of the system.

You said it was "the whole point" but I guess that was just a figure of speech. Yes, it is a by-product.

Surely PR must mean that some regions end up getting represented by MP's who

A. Have nothing to do with that area (ok, some are like that under the current system)
B. Are not representing the largest party as voted for by the people of that area

Yes - no electoral system is perfect.  30 million voters cannot be crammed into a perfect system.  Speaking from a personal point of view, as a non-Tory in a constituency that has been held continuously by the tories since the 1880s, my vote under the current system was, in effect, irrelevant.  Yes I voted anyway, I think its a responsibility.  Under a PR system, in a very small way, my vote would have made a difference.

Doesn't it all depend on what form of PR would be in place? If there was no link between constituency and MP then a Tory-vote in a non-Tory constituency would cancel your vote out.

Under the single transferable vote system (which is in no way perfect) you get a constituency link and some proportionality.

This is where multi-member constituencies come in. Under that system each (larger) constituency has say four or five MPs. This makes it far more likely that you'll have an MP of you party representing you and still have the local tie to an area. So people feel that their vote counts as they feel represented.

Thank fuck it's over. It makes no odds to me who got elected/what coalition is best/who has the best smile on TV. They are all shits.

What I do like though is that nAnny Snelgrove has gone. "Tears in her eyes" at the count apparently. Great, I wish I had been there to see it. Good riddance you venal grasping selfish cunt.

Still bitter about losing your deposit last time round then? I see one of your lot stood in Devizes and got a similar spanking - only just beat "spoilt ballots" :)

You're deluded if you think that all the votes thrown to UKIP / BNP / ED and other assorted right wing nut jobs were all at the expense of the Tories.

No, not bitter about the deposit. I just detest Snelgrove.

Libertarian blokie in Devizes isn't "one of my lot" either. I've known since the last GE that it is futile standing as a minority candidate. A complete waste of time and energy. That goes for UKIP, BNP etc too.

Not even a teensy weensy bit bitter?

Not even the smidgeonest.

I was (and am) annoyed that it is set so high and hence presents a significant barrier to standing for election. Of course, that doesn't apply if you are rolling in donated cash like the major parties.

Why? If Cameron had come out strongly against uncontrolled immigration and had kept his promise on Lisbon, then the following might not have happened:


(With recognition to EU Referendum)

You're equally deluded (which is pretty fucking obvious anyway) if you think that immigration is is all that's driving votes for the likes of the BNP.

not all, but most i reckon

I think it's probably the excuse they use but alot of it is just moronic bravado from lads who are sheep and just do what there mates do.

Er...I didn't say that the BNP or ED votes etc were at the expense of the Tories, and nor would I argue that, the BNP is a Labour party problem, it does well primarily in Labour strongholds, and hovers up more votes from Labour than any other party. I was referring to UKIP, and UKIP only.

Nice try though, and it's good to see that the spirit of Damien Mcbride is still alive and kicking amongst the Labour party.

I've not had anything to do with the Labour Party for about 15 years, fuck Thursday was the first time I voted for them in that time....


And my argument holds true for UKIP. I'm sure they do take a good chunk of Tory votes, but they take votes from Labour too, and the more obvious racist parties like BNP and ED etc. balance out the votes lost to minority right wing nutters to the big main parties.

If the lib-dems go along with the tories i wont be happy.
i would rather have voted labour if that happens

Are we all going to do this again in October?

isn't that what the majority do anyway? what percentage of the voting population even read the manifesto? I bet most vote out of habit , voting for whoever because they always do

No, then it will be the "Who will/did you vote for on 7th October?"

I know us Brits aren't very good at queuing, but comparing it to a third world country?! WTF?!

Yeah I bet there were car bombs going of in the car park, RPG attacks on the pub and everything.
 Stupid bitch

I think the voters are just as much to blame. There were 15 hours to cast a vote, it was bloody obvious the turnout would be higher.

Fully agree. The polls were open from 7am. If they were so keen to vote, why did they leave it to the last minute?

Maybe they were at work?

from 7am until 9pm?

Don't forget they could vote by post... i don't feel sorry for any of 'em.

Of course, they could've voted by post or by proxy, so there was other options of voting.

It's a bit like coming to a big game and expecting to be in your seat in time for kick-off despite getting to the ground 10 minutes before.

we should have another election asap,as what's going on now is a farce.my vote last week could become one for the tories.

This is exactly what will happen with Proportional Representation.

You can see why people vote for one or the other and not Lib Dems though.

i'm all for that si.it's a fairer way.

Well, if people turned up at 9.45 then yes they're a bit daft. But plenty of people who missed out on voting in Sheffield and the other places where there were problems queued for 3 hours or more and still didn't get to vote. If you get there with 2-3 hours to spare, I think that's a reasonable expectation you've left enough time. Saying "You've had since 7 am" is just plain stupid when the expectation is "You've got up till 10pm" not "You'd better start queueing at 7am"

So how long were the queues at the Tawny Owl, because that's what I was referring to. On another note, stupid place to have a polling station.

moaning about fuck all it seems.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8155707.___No_one_missed_a_vote___/

Apparently a big part of the problem at Sheffield was a load of students turned up without their polling cards, but if they couldn't find them on their list they should've been told they were either at the wrong polling station, or they hadn't even registered and should go and get their polling cards. If they turned up with 3 hours to go and couldn't vote that is scandalous. Someone at the polling station should've been on the phone to the returning officer saying that they couldn't cope, and to get more staff down as soon as possible.

Oooh, Adver in "Trying desperately to manufacture local angle on national story to produce total non-story" shock

no.people complained about it here in swindon.the adver are covering that.

Oh dear....there is so much I would like to comment on on this thread....I will try to restrict it to what is actually happening now...the fact is that people thought they liked the idea of a balanced parliament, they voted - pretty chaotically, it has to be said - in a way which ensured a hung parliament; and now they don't like what they voted for, because after all is said and done, pragmatism and human beings rule in government.  'Strong government' is the cry, and everyone seems to agree, but threaten the Lib Dems with disaster if they form any sort of agreement in one direction or the other.  And therein lies the problem.  Political reform means a great deal more than a fairer voting system, important as that is.  Nick Clegg sadly lost the plot after his resounding success in the first Debate.  In stead of pressing the case for full scale political reform (and indeed many of the other LibDem policies which make sense) he got carried away with the verbiage about 'a new way' different from the worn-out two party system.  He never gave any insication of what he meant by that except through electoral reform.
But along with electoral reform has to go a whole new way of 'doing' the political thing....and the public know this to be true.  Our distaste about Parliament is not just about expenses, it is about the whole style of Parliamentary debating and decision-making.  It is about MPs who have all sorts of other jobs and interests which in some cases makes them part-time MPs, and however hard they try to control this through the Register of Interests, it is still true that they often become lobbyists for particular interests.  It is about the juvenile behaviour of MPs in the chamber (so that, for instance, the Lib Dems are always subjected to barracking at PMs questions etc).  Its about this apparently constant adversarial, shouting, 'he who bullies most, wins most' rather than an attempt to find concensus.  Arguments, passion, idealism...yes of course.   We all get into that, but 'the National Interest' demands better from those we elect.  But then that also requires us to grow up as well and not to say, in this complex situation, 'if the Lib Dems shore up a defeated and discredited government, I'll never vote for them again' or 'I voted to keep Cameron out, so if he is let in by the Lib Dems, they will never get my vote again'.....

Labour are supposedly now willing to put electoral reform straight in, no referendum or anything and pack Brown off sharpish. Anyone wonder if Clegg is pulling the world's greatest act of brinksmanship to get huge amounts of concessions out of them?

Or am I just being hopeful?

I really don't know what those who voted Liberal Democrat expected. It was blindingly obvious that it was likely to be a hung parliament.
So what did those who voted L D expect them to do ? Clegg said he would not work with Brown before the election so he was either going to work with labour without Brown or with the Conservatives.
Politically it would be better for the Conservatives if he cose to work with labour. It would only be a short while before that arrangement collapsed, & then at the ensuing election the Conservatives would win without a doubt.
However the country needs a decisive strong goverment now. The debt crisis is rapidly deteriorating & it's about time all of the politicians put the country before their own interests. Brown should resign & the liberals should make a decision.
As for proportional representation, the current situation is the biggest arguement their is against it.

And if the Lib Dems went with Labour, and SNP and Plaid Cymru, to form this 'Rainbow coalition', once it collapsed, there is no doubt that it would bring a landslide in seats for England for the Tories, as there is one thing that English people hate, is to be told what to do by the Scots and the Welsh.

If it was just an 'English' parliament, the Tories would have won by 56 seats.

I expect that most people who voted Lib Dem did so on the basis that they wanted their local candidate to become their MP and/or wanted the Lib Dems to win the general election.

I very much doubt that many people who voted Lib Dem even considered what they wanted the party's stance to be in the event of a hung parliament and ensuing coalitions.

Except of course for the fact that the collection of conventions and protocols that we have instead of a constitution don't allow him to resign as PM until we have a new government. That's the problem with getting your news and views from the right-wing press, they don't actually know what they're talking about

It's a follow-up to their own earlier non-story though. Apparently some people had to wait for UP TO 20 MINUTES! No wonder they said it was just like Iraq!

Gordon Brown just announced that he is standing down as Labour leader.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8672859.stm

No surprises there. I still think the Lib Dems would prefer an alliance with Labour for reasons that go beyond this election.

That was never going to happen if Brown remained as PM.

Let's get that rainbow coalition sorted then.

Great...if i had known that i might have voted for Labour!

Whether you like him or not, he has just made a very good statement from the steps of Number 10.

exactly! Think alot of people feel
the same! Can't they appoint someone new then we have another vote?

took over a poisoned challice from blair,and was always on a loser.
i think he's a genuine bloke.

Genuine or not arriba he wasnt elected as PM....he should have stood down 6 months back and let someone else have a go.....in my opinion Labour COULD have been close to winning the election if they had appointed a fresh face.
Anyway it dosnt matter now does it.

he didn't have to be elected as pm.that arguement doesn't wash,regardless of if people like brown or not.

He should have called an election early into his term as Prime Minister because he would have won.

Regards,

Hindsight.

Well by law maybe...but personally i feel the people  should choose who they want to govern the country.......not a minority of nobodys in the labour party.

We had the opportunity and unanimously decided in favour of nobody.  The vote was split (ut would seem odd that anyone shy of 40% of a vote should be allowed to run a country on their own anyway).

I think it's clear that Lib/Lab is a closer fit in terms of policy than Lib/Con or Con/Lab so it seems inevitable that our votes have got what they asked for.  A left of centre govt being likely, no overall control, probablt a few changes to electoral systems, cash in some of the shares we hold in the Banks (we are now set to make a profit on these, after all the fuss this has caused) and back for another vote in 12-18 months time.

Oh, and we don;t vote for a PM, this isn't a Republic.  We vote for a party, they vote for who will lead them.

Personally, I'm hoping the mess we've created means a few people in politics have a re think and put some real effort into understanding how the best PR systems work in the world.

The whole point of an organisation like the Labour Party is that it's meant to be a democracy, within a democracy, in theory at least any Joe Soap member can suggest ideas for policy which can then be debated right the way through the organisation. It's the responsibilty of the leadership to carry out the wishes of the membership at various levels....if they don't then they go.

We don't live in a dictatorship.

I like this piece by Armando:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/armando-iannucci-the-result-perfectly-expresses-contempt-confusion-and-sheer-bloodymindedness-1969995.html

Basically, as an electorate, we couldn't have come up with a more nightmarish complex scenario for the politicos to resolve if we tried.

Doesn't Brown resigning as Labour leader make it nigh on impossible for Clegg to form a coalition with Labour? Presumably meaning that the background talks between Labour/Lib Dems have failed?

 I'd guess a minority Tory government is inevitable, Clegg would rip his party to pieces by cuddling up to the Tories....they'll wait for 18 months or so and call another election.

 I'm hoping, I might see out the job cuts which follow Tory governments, been there twice before.

The fact is arriba The Tory Party are not very well liked....i voted Tory with a very heavy heart along with millions of others...but what does that say about Brown and Co...they were annialated at the polls...all i am saying is that a different and fresh approach may have helped the Labour Party in the election.
To be fair its dragging on now.

Think you're right there Reg. Best Cameron can hope for is a "We won't vote against you (to start with anyway)" agreement from Lib Dems. The knives are out for Cameron in the Tory Party big time already apparently - abject failure to deliver power cleanly not going down well in the Shires

I'd imagine my employers are pretty much shitting themselves that a new Tory govt. would pull out of the extremely lucrative contracts handed to them by the Labour govt. since 1997.

Didn't know you worked for a Lesbian theatre company, Samdy.

Tories have just offered Lib Dems referendum  on alternative voting system.

The stakes seem to have been raised significantly in the last couple of hours.

What a load of old fuck.

http://twitter.com/Queen_UK



:D

 I hope that is the actual Queen!  :D

Why vote for them then?

No it made it more likely a lab/lib pact would happen. Brown was a PM who failed to win the election for his party. Many people would have been annoyed if he remained leader of the country. Apparently he was one of the biggest obstacles in the way of a lab/lib coalition. Him standing down yesterday made a deal between the labour party and the liberal democrats more likely.

Personally I really doubt there will be a minority conservative government. This is the liberal democrats big chance and they are being offered stuff from the conservatives and labour. They will do a deal with one of them.

Nick Robinson seems to think it'll be the Torys and they are back in talks with them now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8674103.stm

The past few days have been the worlds best advert against PR. That and the lib dems are only for it because it would suit them. There has to be a referendum on it rather than a parliamentry decision, its too important.

I dont want to go through this farce of the smallest of the 3 main parties whoring themselves around every 4/5 years. Fuck me, I'd rather labour won.

Think you missed the point - it also means that Labour have to have a leadership election which will take weeks so Clegg would have to agree a deal without knowing who he was agreeing to deal with. But I should probably have spelled that out!

Gah, you miserable sod. Most entertaining election in years.

Because i had a read of all the manifestos and the Tory one was best for me...thats not to say its the best for everyone else,thats why you get a choice Spy.
On a lighter note how did the Greens win in Brighton...you would be better off voting the loony party..some of there ideas come from a joke book i reckon.

LibCon seems sewn up now, Labour are admitting defeat. I strongly suspect Clegg never intended to deal with Labour and has in fact pulled a rabbit out of the hat in panicking the Conservatives into the AV vote and Labour into kicking Brown out early.

I reckon King Of Tonga started one of his "TEF Pressure Group" campaigns locally :)

I'm not saying nobody can vote from them. It's just from your own post saying you say a lot of people don't like them and you yourself voted for them "with a heavy heart". Seems strange to vote for someone so reluctantly. Did you just hate the labour government so much or something?


Nemo I also suspect a lab/lib deal was always going to be unlikely given what Clegg has been saying about electoral mandate and stable goverment.

Thing is the referendum the conservatives are offering will be on the alternative vote system - not proportional representation. If they can get them to make the referendum on alternative vote plus then at least it will be a more proportional system.


What has impressed me is the lib dems getting the conservatives to commit to the idea of not taxing people on the first £10K they earn. That will be brilliant for those in poverty and to provide more of an incentive for people on unemployment benefit to go back to work as there will be a bigger gap between what you can earn in a low wage job and what you can get on benefits.

I suspect more than a few Tories will be very, very unhappy with Mr Cameron if he's made half as many concessions as the news seem to think.

Breaking news: There's been a mix-up at the Palace after Phillip changed channels from BBC rolling News to Sky Sports coverage of Capello's squad announcement. The Queen has now invited Owen Hargreaves to form a government

Surely Gerrard would form the Government, and then Hargreaves would get a go for the last 6 months or so of the next parliament just to prevent anything going horribly wrong?

And who would John Terry get into bed with then?

Should imagine that it would be a hard call who would be a minister for defence.

I vote Hargreaves

He'd get the Foreign Affairs portfolio I'd imagine

Leefer did you really read the manifestos?  I've been around  along time and this would be the first time I've come across such insanity.

Which bit of the Tory's did you like...even their own supporters mostly said they didn't understand it.

Maybe the bit about good citizens picking up on the detritus left by the public service cuts?

Hardline on scroungers....capping tax credits...course people should get tax credits but not if your on 50 grande a year....i earn about 25000 a year which usually means 50/60 hours a week....labour dont give me or my wife any extra....i am just hoping they cut the tax abit as labour help the poor which is good,but they also help the lazy and the criminals in this country...they dont help people who work there bollocks off.
Now i am not saying the tories will change things but for me personally i want a change...thats not to say i will critisize people on who they vote for..everyone has there OWN personal agendas.....if i had three young kids maybe i would vote Labour as they would probably be more beneficial to me..
As for the service cuts Reg i see what your saying but obviously alot more people like myself thaught it was time for change......seeing as the Tories won massively..if it wasnt for the Scottish vote which was all Labour then the Tories would have had a massive majority.....seems most of England was happy for a change not just me.

Most of the South of England, maybe. The North remembers what the last Tory government was like

Tories got 36.1% of the vote....not exactly a rousing endorsement for the kind of changes that the Tories usually bring about...and hopefully not enough for the full Thatcherite ticket.

looks like it's a lib-con coalition then.
cunts.

The whole thing's been tremendously entertaining, much better than the actual election. I think we should do it all again in about 6 months or so

i'd rather have a re-vote now.labour would win

Can't believe there will be a formal coalition...still think a minority Tory government is the likely outcome.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8676271.stm

Decent speech by Brown. Just been at Buckingham Palace to offer his resignation to the queen.

Cameron is on his way to Buckingham Palace now!

I'm inclined to agree now Brown has jumped.

Is it a confirmed libcon thingy yet?

Either way Cameron is a bit of a failure before he's started. The failure to win an overall majority after such a long tired and growingly unpopular labour government is pretty damning.

I think he's going to find himself in a pretty hard place. Either in a libcon coalition, or as a minority government, he's going to struggle to push through the more tory-ey tory tory-ness, which is going to leave some of his own party pretty figity.

I doubt we'll be waiting 4-5 years for the next election. Cameron will have to make a gamble for an overall majority sooner rather than later.

so regardless of whether it's a libcon coalition or a con minority government my vote was utterly useless.

And mine.

Hehe.. Peter "The Rock" Mandleson

Seems this might have been missed.  I thought it wa brilliant.  Nice one pauld.

Oh, and I might as well start looking for a new job with Cameron around.

Nick Robinson is a cunt

Nice to see he's been PM for all of 5 minutes and he's already lording it up by jumping red lights with no police escort.

well thats the end of the TEF, no more students with this lot in charge.

No more jobs either - perhaps the TEF's daytime traffic will increase almost as much as Jeremy Kyle's viewing figures.

Haha. My facebook homepage is currently chocka with people moaning that brown resigned right before eastenders

... Same.

The protesters appear to be chanting "Who are ya" at him.

I hope we briefly get a strain of "You What" in the background.

mine is full of people moaning about tories.

i might as well give up looking for a job now and my girlfriend will probably get deported.

cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt

You sir are not excersicing your responsibilities.

I think this has been the best advert for PR.  Politicians talking to each other, listening and trying to reach compromise, that's as it should be, rather than the adversarial crap we've had for years.

Also, why would the third party be whoring themselves around?  What's to stop a LabCon coalition?

in most european countries, this would never have been an issue - everyone has been predicting a hung parliament for months but nobody considered the possibility of a coalition prior to the election.

germany, switzerland and norway all have (or have had) long standing coalition governments within PR.

it's all irrelevent as i can't see this coalition lasting 12 months. my concern is stagnation in the meantime.

More likely just no-one else thought it was funny but cheers BS
I don't know that a ConLib coalition will be very much different from any of the possible alternatives. No new government was ever going to have much scope to do anything other than own up to quite how much shit we really are in and start making cuts etc accordingly.

Whoever became PM it's a bit like getting behind the wheel of rusted up old Transit overloaded with bricks at the top of a very steep hill and finding out the brakes don't work at all and the steering's hardly there either - they might be able to steer just enough to try and avoid a few old ladies as they career hopelessly out of control down the hill, but they're not going to be able to stop it, much less turn it round and no matter how hard they steer they're still going to crash with a hell of a fucking bang at the bottom.

Well I reckon business will pick up in the next 12 months, there's indications of that already so it only makes sense that jobs will be there. Unless you want to go public sector sonic?

They did, they just assumed it would be lad/lib. Well I did anyway. I was convinced that was what was gonna happen.

Why don't we form a coalition with say Stockport?
We'd now be top of the league and heading for the Championship!

Quite a negative reaction to the outcome of this election... why noy greet it with an open mind, see what happens?

Fuck you!

We're all doomed, DOOMED I TELL THEE!

(I agree with you, though)

It's got to be better than a Tory majority.

Electoral reform could be good but I would much prefer a single transferable vote system (more proper PR) to an alternative vote system.

because we've ended up with the one thing i didn't want - a government involving tories

i'm sure that it will benefit plenty of people and that plenty of people will be happy tonight but i'm not one of them!

Again though, what the Tories did in the past doesn't mean they'll act in the same way now... a long time has past since they were last in power. I don't know, maybe i'm just being blindly hopeful... A lot of people (and i don't mean you, Jim!) seem to just hate the Tories because it's cool to do so

I didn't want a Tory government but seems to me this is the least worst outcome. Labour couldn't continue, that would have been a farce, and (as FB said) hopefully this way at least the Tories worst excesses will be constrained.

Would pretty much agree with that, although least worst would have been this with Cable or Clark as chancellor instead of Obsborne.

i think people ought to be wary of the tories based on past events but equally the current party should be judged on what they achieve.

i'm anti-tory, i'm far from cool.

cameron's done fuck all for his constituency except build a useless but pretty shopping centre so perhaps i'm more biased than some.

my worry is that the key tory policies don't deliver what i want - electoral reform, no repeal of the hunting act, better tax, an elected house of lords etc... a lot of the tory policies are irrelevent to me as an unemployed unmarried 24 year old.

whoever is in power will have to make drastic and severe cutes, so in that respect it makes little difference who is in power. i suppose on reflection a tory lib dem coalition is preferable to a tory majority, so i won't need to plan my suicide yet.

regardless i think the whole thing will be too unstable to last and we'll be back at the polling stations within 12-18 months, hopefully subsequent to electoral reform

I reckon (hope) Cable will be Chief Secretary to the Treasury pulling all the strings with Osbourne a figurehead chancellor - he gets to do all the gawping hopelessly in front of the cameras but back in the office they hide all the pens and calculators from him and just give him an abacus to play with (See the pretty coloured beads George) while Cable does the work.

Kind of like when clubs appoint the "Big name ex-player" manager but get a proper manager in as assistant to do the actual work while new boy looks pretty on Sky.

It is a bit different to last time they were in because...

1) The liberal democrats are in with them and will have some influence

and

2) Just as labour became more like the Torys and changed into New Labour to get into power in 1997 so the Torys have become more like New Labour to get into power this election. Well, they've changed their "image" at least.


Having said that I don't like the conservatives and Cameron is a cunt. I also really didn't want them in power and I don't believe they've completely changed at all. People will lose jobs.

I don't hope it won't be exactly the same as conservative governments were in the 80s/90s.

There is a big positive from an anti - whoever was in we knew they'd have to make cuts and put up taxes. Now it's the conservatives they will be harsher than labour would have been but at least it will ensure they lose the next election in a couple of years.  :D

If labour get their shit together they can be a strong opposition and should win the next election easily.

Ken Clark was the Chancellor last time our economy was in this much shit, whether he made it worse or not Im too young to know. Interesting that he might get given that position again, or will it go to a Lib Dem? Dont think theyve sorted out who's going to go where in the Cabinet at the mo.

I agree with Nemo above.

Knowing a referendum on electoral reform is wanted so badly by the lib dems I wouldn't be surprised if the Torys don't put off holding that referendum for as long as possible as after it's been held there's less reason for the coalition to stay together. Or looking at it the other way round you could say as they need the lib dem votes the lib dems can pressure them into holding the referendum earlier. Be interesting to see which way that one goes.


I don't think they will let a lib dem be chancellor.

It'll also be interesting to see what position Clegg is given.

Cameron's fag

Deputy PM according to the rumours, David Laws to Education, Ashdown to Defence and Vince Cable as Osborne's deputy (minder) supposedly. Chris Huhne somewhere, not sure where yet.

Deputy PM.

I reckon it depends on how much the Torys wanted them onside. The Libs could pretty much ask for what they wanted within reason, so I wouldnt be surprised to see Clegg get a pretty prestigious position.

At it's heart, just as Labour is still essentially at the whim of Unions even if it's got better at directing them, the Tories are run by a bunch of rabid loons from the old families and ageing daily mail lead paranoids out to look after themselves.  They've just realised they need someone a little more pallatable upfront.

The mechanisms mean that the party faithfull eventualy push more and more for their policies to be carried out.  Just look at Portillo, an absolute pompous twat when in a position within the cabinet facing up the party. As soon as he released himself from HQ and was allowed to express his own opinions he seemed, and still does, eminently intellingent and sensible.

I'd be far happier if MP's from all sides were just alowed to represent their constituents using their own principles in line with some over arching party themese and policies.  That way, PR and hung parliaments can and do work.

The Liberals strength in local politics, which has also been their weakness in National elections, has been that they pretty much react to local issues and allow party members to be as mad or as sensible as they like to be.  It means nobody wants to vote them in to run the country though.

Hopefully they will stay this way and make the Tories keep the rank and file in their cages for a few months.  I think once some form of PR or voting reform is put forward it will lead to an election pretty much straight after.

 we've all been con-dem'd

The last person to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes  :D

Still a load of old fuck.

What a lot of bollocks. Spineless tories meet more red than commie progressives.

Hopefully the whole country will implode in six months and I will be the first on the barricades.

Hush now, the grown-ups are talking

I'm mystified why people are associating the tories with job losses. Much of their pre-election rhetoric about the economy focussed in job creation.

Unless you mean the public sector, where its very much needed.  The public / private employment balance in this country is unsustainable and needs addressing ASAP.

Shhh. You will disturb them.

The public sector needs an axe through it and quick. Preferably pared to nothing and let the private sector take up the employees through freeing up the regulation and the government monopolies on health, education, transport and everything else.

Astute man that Mr Todd when the public sector is now bigger than the private in terms of GDP. Which sector generates wealth?

It all comes down to political ideals, I'm sure half the shit gets overlooked/exaggerated to suit anyway. Tories may be Oxbridge educated posh toffs, but so are most of Labour these days.
Labour's ideals can look good on paper, but are not sustainable in practice. Likewise I'm sure the Tories efficiency targets sound better in theory than in practice.

So what do we need then? More balance? If so then PR may be a suitable solution. I cannot help but feel it's just going to make voters more apathetic towards politics, because if it's workable things might just become too balanced. It may be good for the country, but for the individual it'll be hard to see where their own political ideals fit within such a system.

A lot of people aren't going to like this fact but out of the main parties the Tories are probably the ones to have in at the moment. We're still in a tricky economic climate and this is the party (out of the 'big three') who will do the most for the private sector and the economy which is surely the most important issue right now. Sure, a lot of people are going to be fucked over too but you can't keep everyone happy. That's not to say it's the way to go for the foreseeable future mind.

I just wish a party would come along and say "you know what, we fucked up in the past. We did this when we should have done that. We've learned from this and our strategy for the future will mean this does not happen again. The country doesn't need change, the country needs our party to change."
Instead we get the blame game, 'vote for change' (I'll be fucking flabbergasted), we're better than this party because, television debates with next to no substance.

The sooner the politicians grow some bollocks, the sooner I'll vote for them.

Possibly something to do with...the previous Tory administration overseeing a rise in unemployment from 700,000 to 3,000,000.. just a guess like.

And what is it now?  and who is responsible for that? And whats the real unemployment figure? And how many people are in made up public sector non jobs?

Its easy to play the historical blame game. The ruling party of whatever persuasion has fucked right up at some point in history.  I know which party has a better history of sound economic management.

There is high unemployment due to the global economic crisis. Which obviously all the fault of just one man - Gordon Brown.


Come on! You can't blame the whole recession on Gordon or even on Labour.

I don't believe for a second without the benefit of hindsight the Conservatives would have had a completely different economic policy in regard to the banks. Laissez faire economics is surely what got us into this mess, isn't it?

I'm not blaming the whole economic crisis on Brown.  But regardless of the official unemployement figures, economic inactivity amongst people of a working age is at record levels. Talk talk posted a graph on here a while back illustrating this point.

At the time the crisis hit, Cameron and Osbourne floundered like a pair of trout in a keepnet, flip-flopping from one stance to another on an almost weekly basis. Fortunately, they weren't in power at the time and Gordon was able to take the strong decisive action required to at least ameloriate the crisis caused at root by the Thatcherite/Reagonomics free-market gone mad excesses of the 80s.

"The Thatcherite/Reagonomics free-market gone mad excesses of the 80s" that Gordon allowed to happen on his watch, and in fact actively encouraged. Bravo!

But remember its all the tories fault really.

Thought I'd get a bite on that one. Thanks, CT, you rarely disappoint :)

I thought that statement was bullshit even by your standards pal  :)

it all goes back to thatchers door.

No, it wasn't actually. You can trace the source back to government interference and regulation in the finance business, particularly in America. Introducing free market unfriendly diktats and policies that ultimately produced the toxic debt and unserviceable loans that brought most of banking down.

Banks do not need 'economic policy'. They need freedom to operate as banks, it went well for a few hundred years before the state stuck it's fetid cock in and diseased it.

But 100 or 200 years ago we didn't have the same consumerist society we had today.

You can't really compare our society with the one before the war or before industrialisation without recognising how much more disposable income most people have which leads to more products being available which leads to the temptation to loan money which can lead to some of the problems of the last year or so.


TT it is an unusual position to say that the recession has been caused by regulation of banks rather than lack of regulation - care to expand on your view?

It's not unusual at all. Sub prime lending in the US housing market started these global economic problems. This was instigated by the US government and was the initial cause of all of this. If the finance houses had been left alone to determine their own credit risks (as they had done for a long long time) it wouldn't have happened.


http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html)

And of course the large amount of fraudulent understatement of the risk by several large US banks and many of the others no longer even understanding their own exposure played no part whatever. At the time of the bust, the top 10 US investment banks claimed to control assets nominally worth 20+ times the worth of the entire global economy. The finance houses were no longer capable of "determining their own credit risks (as they had done for a long time)". And governments must take their share of the blame for that failure, but for not regulating adequately

Then that is an audit failure by the shareholders who have invested their capital in the businesses. It has got fuck all to do with regulation and neither should it.

Things that labour did that I thought showed their incompetence
First they appointed Frank Field to look at Pensions & funding. He is one of the few labour people with any sense. They then totally ignored his recommendations & Brown started the 5 billion a year pensions tax affecting all of our pensions (unless you work for the goverment of course)
Second he sells a bunch of the countrys gold at rock bottom prices. Incompetence of the first order.
Regulation of the banks should have been left with the Bank of England. If any one has dealings with the FSA you will now what a waste of time they are.
I could go on, & on, but the first two were enough for me

And the fact Phil that the last 2 Labour governments have practically bankrupted the country.

Hi Bart  :bye:

Are you sure it wasn't Maurice Malpas?

I can't speak for banking regulations, but in my line of work the FSA are certainly not a waste of time. You have to jump through plenty of hoops and umpteen layers of red tape before carrying out most basic transactions - all due to FSA rules & regs which ultimately protect the customer.

On a slightly different track, I like the look of this Great Repeal Bill thing (although I've not dug into what else they're planning on repealing) but getting rid of ID cards is a good start:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/12/tory_libdem_id_scrappings/

If they roll back some of the other authoritarian crap successive Labour Home Secs brought in under the guise of "anti-terror laws", I'll be chuffed at that.

Go LibCams!

The BBC have done an interesting summary of the con/lib deal concerning different policies...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8677088.stm

Have to say I'm surprised that this has been entered into as a seemingly binding coalition. Seems as if the desire for power has  already affected the judgement of Cameron and Clegg.

Seeing the likes of Hague and Theresa May kicking around in high office, really is nauseating...me, I'm off to dust down Ralph Miliband's "The State in Capitalist Society"

Also time to dust off and re-read Tressell's  'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists'.

Type

David Cameron Side Profile

into Google and then click on image search.

Open the first image and look at the full sized version.

Is this what he will be doing for the next 5 years?

I don't mind if he does, as long as he doesn't metaphorically do that to the country.

So Tories wanted Trident....the Libs were really against it..are we going to be getting splinters sitting on the fence thinking about it,only one way to find out if we will get Trident or not........................FIGHT!!

:D With nukes!

I'll believe it when it happens.

Unfortunately the first meeting they have with the heads of security they'll be fed the same stuff Labour have been listening to for the last ten years, shit themselves and agree to anything they want.

Unless they want to have a significant change in foreign policy, but that seems unlikely.

The word on the markets is that the UK is next up for financial meltdown. The CDS (credit default swap) traders shed a billion quids worth of UK risk last week (for the third successive week). We are truly fucked, it doesn't matter what Mickey Mouse public spending cuts Cameron and Clegg push through in the next few months. They are going to be toast. Stock up on tins of baked beans and firewood logs me dears.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/cds-traders-beating-uk-death-drums (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/cds-traders-beating-uk-death-drums)

(With credit to EU Ref)

Here we go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI7VJv8NgpA&feature=player_embedded

Ha, ha, ha, ha. CDS traders? The arseholes who so spectacularly failed to work out their own risk that they directly caused the 08 financial meltdown? Meanwhile, the bond markets we were all supposed to be so scared of when their was a hung parliament have now apparently got over their attack of the vapours and stabilised now the coalition's been announced. So which markets are right? The fact is, there is no "the markets" - there's a series of separate trading markets, all of which at any given time have an entirely different take on any given political situation, and as we saw in 08 can and do get it so badly wrong that they need bailing out by the very governments you so despise to save their sorry arses.

The whole concept of the "Wisdom of Markets" on which the uber-freemarketeers hang their entire philosophy is utter bullshit. There's no "Wisdom of Markets", there's a lot of stupid, greedy people chasing their next bonus, entirely unable to properly assess risk because they're so blinded by short-term profit they have no idea what's going on. And no need to. They don't need to sustain an economy, people's jobs, pensions etc all they need to do is turn a short-term profit and fuck the consequences. But governments do. And it's thanks to successive governments who've bought your The Markets Are God theology that they can take as many risks as they like, knowing us poor schmucks will bail them out when they fuck up as royally as they just did because of the governments you hate so much having to intervene to protect the rest of us who actually work for a living.

CDS traders my fucking arse.

No, no, no! Let's not let extremist views get in the way of fact now Paul!

(Or is that fact in the way of extremist views? I'm never sure with Alan).

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-13/corporate-bond-risk-falls-in-europe-credit-default-swaps-show.html

Best head for Shaw Tip/Forest then

TT should just head for Montana and have done with it....

BTW see that Ian Duncan Smith has been put in charge of jobs....bit like putting Rix in charge of a girls U 15 team. I didn't even know he was still in politics.

I give this 'coalition' a year and they will have to call an election as soon as someone dosen't agree with something the other partty want to do they they will be throwing their toys out the pram .

This is the closest the lib dems will ever get to power though, although to be fair to them they have managed to con themselves 5 cabinet jobs and Cleggs ego must be huge now being named Deputy PM especially if Cameron takes paternity leave and Clegg get's to run the country for a few weeks I'm sure he will be pissing his pants in excitment

I'd rather Clegg running the country than tory-boy Cameron.

My guess is that this coalition will fall apart over the EU, particularly when they will have make some tough decisions for example our veto over the European Public Prosecutor oh and the small matter of the Lisbon Treaty having to be re-ratified later this year.

Not a good comparison Reg, you'd have to assume Rix would have some expertise in that field (as an ex-professional footballer, obviously)

They have tried to get around potential disagreement in this area by saying all treaties have to go to a referendum, like in Ireland.

As a low earner, I'm very pleased that the tax threshold will be raised to £10k in the course of the next parliament (it's currently £6.4k). I imagine that anything I gain will be clawed back in other ways though (no NI cut, petrol rising, VAT potentially up, plane taxes etc).

Plus anything that helps civil liberties is a good thing.

I think this is a breath of fresh air for the political situation in the UK. If Labour had been the highest winners in terms of seats but no overall majority, I would have equally been happy with Lab-Lib.

Labour will also renew in opposition a lot quicker than people think.

As long as they stop this pile of shit:

http://www.communities.gov.uk/fire/resilienceresponse/firecontrol/

Ill be happy if its scrapped as it means i will still have a job.

Wankers

forget all this conspiracy theory bollocks, all this blame placed upon brown and labour - THIS is the reason our economy is fucked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA-cpzGWVwE

Are you sure that's not from the Onion?

Pah. Firstly, if there was not (inevitable) massive government debt the the CDS markets and traders would not exist. Secondly they didn't cause the crisis, it was state interference in credit, as I have said before.

Let's look at the bigger picture instead. What do governments do? They either a) fuck about with interest rates and induce boom and bust, b) continually increase their borrowing to pay for the unsustainable growth of the state machine, or, c) print money ('quantitative easing' - ha ha) and devalue everybody's income/savings through inflation. This is all true. That is all they are capable of.


Those will be the very governments who 'rectify' the situations - caused by their fuck ups in the first place - with my/our taxpayers money. You can't have it both ways sunshine. Personally I would like them to fuck off and leave the markets to get on with making money and lending credit at competitive rates to entrepreneurs who need it.


No it isn't. If you look back in history at the times a really free market has been left alone (including most of pre-history) they have been successful.


You're just jealous because a load of people who are much smarter than you have found a way to make lots of money quickly while you slog away...


That's governments that protect the rest of us "who actually work for a living" right? Like David Cameron and Nick Clegg and Gordon Brown who have never done a proper day's work in their lives? Straight from public school through university and into politics, yes? Like most MPs who are lawyers (read 'leeches')? Like the useless fucks in the FSA? Like the head of the British Potato Council quango? It's all the same. Garbage in, garbage out - as you should know as a software person in the private sector. They are no more connected with those of us "who actually work for a living" than my dick is connected to Pamela Anderson's front bottom. They live in a bubble that excludes us.

Policies aside, they're both Oxbridge educated posh-heads with a relatively short political career. Can't really see much difference.

And no real world experience either.

Fuck them.

About 260 seats Sie.

one has a big forehead and the other doesn't

You're thinking of Ant and Dec ..... easy mistake to make..

aren't they the leaders of our coalition government?

No, that's the Cleggerons.

http://www.cleggerons.blogspot.com/ (http://www.cleggerons.blogspot.com/)

Amen.


http://obotheclown.blogspot.com/2010/05/i-wonder-how-long-its-going-to-be.html (http://obotheclown.blogspot.com/2010/05/i-wonder-how-long-its-going-to-be.html)

Alan. Have you thought about getting a hobby?

This is my hobby.

Changing the world.

Pax.

How's it going? Turned any Swindon Town fan's faces toward the light yet?

Dunno. Don't care.

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