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Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: STFCDude2 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:26:08
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/headlines/display.var.1517117.0.foreign_legion_set_for_swindon.php

Whats the betting its a Greek!?   :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: axs on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:29:12
i don't like your naked molerat sonic.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: STFCDude2 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:29:54
Quote from: "axs"
i don't like your naked molerat sonic.


?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:30:12
I'm betting that it's Captain Piccard. He's got the brilliant mind who can save us from financial ruin.

He's negotiated with the Klingon high council for fucks sake.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: axs on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:32:57
Quote from: "STFCDude2"
Quote from: "axs"
i don't like your naked molerat sonic.


?


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: STFCDude2 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:34:02
Quote from: "axs"
Quote from: "STFCDude2"
Quote from: "axs"
i don't like your naked molerat sonic.


?


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


you been on the piss or something?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: axs on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:34:47
you had to be there. read the other threads.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:35:15
I think you're looking sideways too much. Turn 90 degrees left. Then 4 steps forward. Shit you died. Knightmare was ace.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: sonic youth on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:35:19
Quote from: "flammableBen"
I'm betting that it's Captain Piccard. He's got the brilliant mind who can save us from financial ruin.

He's negotiated with the Klingon high council for fucks sake.


CAPTAIN JEAN LUC PICARD OF THE USS ENTERPRISE
http://picard.ytmnd.com/


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: STFCDude2 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:36:41
Quote from: "axs"
you had to be there. read the other threads.


Cant be assed.  Sonic normally talks a load of bollocks, so probably nothing informative!!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: axs on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:37:03
Quote from: "flammableBen"
I think you're looking sideways too much. Turn 90 degrees left. Then 4 steps forward. Shit you died. Knightmare was ace.


Kinghtmare was ace, especially when they died after 4 weeks of trying.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:38:59
I need additional plug ins... but wait... no....

KHHHAAAAAAANNNN!!!!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: yeo on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:39:51
This foriegn investor thing is this new news?

Im confused


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 00:44:28
It's a hebrew. I'm guessing moses or jesus. Or maybe that baby killing King dude. He was ace.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 06:46:22
I suspect the mystery foreign investor might be Nigerian.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Lash_sumthin on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 06:50:17
^^so the club got sent one of those ace emails, about needing to send cash to free up some distant relative/kings wealth? awsome


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 06:57:35
Quote from: "Lash_sumthin"
^^so the club got sent one of those ace emails, about needing to send cash to free up some distant relative/kings wealth? awsome


    I reckon that's about right....Nigerian accounting practices make perfect sense in the Boardroom..


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 07:45:10
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Quote from: "Lash_sumthin"
^^so the club got sent one of those ace emails, about needing to send cash to free up some distant relative/kings wealth? awsome


    I reckon that's about right....Nigerian accounting practices make perfect sense in the Boardroom..


Yep, that sounds perfectly feasible to me :?

This is the most pertinent point from that whole article. Everything else is hot air:

"The Swindon Advertiser tried without success to contact Andronikou yesterday (what a surprise) but understands he is confident of buying the club more time for repayments."

That is what all this posturing and tub thumping is all about. Nothing more.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: fatbury on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 07:51:31
well I did write a letter to Stanley Kroenke to say it would be easier to buy Swindon than Arsenal and would he consider it .. I wonder if he got it  :wink:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: land_of_bo on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 07:56:52
I stumbled across this whilst hacking early this morning...

Quote from: "Leaked Email"

ATTN: PRESIDENT/CEO Swindon Town Football Club

It is with heart full of hope and gods wish that I write to seek your help in the context below. I am Mr. Claudio Kabila, the second son of the late Laurent Kabila Former President of the Democratic Republic of Congo (D.R.C) whose sudden death occurred in January 2001. Having gotten your particulars from my late father's library (he was a big fan), I have no doubt to your capacity and goodwill to assist me in receiving into your custody (for safety) the sum of US$37 million and believe you are skilled in the ways of evading tax payments which is of great benefit to us both.

This money is currently kept in a trust deposit vault with a Finance and Security company here in Dubai. However, the new Government headed by my step brother Joseph has on assumption of office setup an inquiry to recover all the assets belonging to my late dad including cash and properties with the pretence of safe-keeping, but with actual intention of personal inheritance. All this because we are from a polygamous family. The investigation team has submitted their report, presently some cash and assets have been seized.

Fortunately, I managed to escape from the country, and with the help of our lawyer, I am presently living as a refugee here until I succeed in the transaction and due to the situation of things our lawyer has strictly advised that the willed money be urgently moved into an over-seas account of a trusted Foreign family friend without delay for security reasons. I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this call (SOS) to save my entire family and me from a hopeless future.

I hereby agree to compensate your sincere effort in this regard with 50% of the fund, when finally received in your local Bank account. This will allow you to pay the CVA that has been hanging over your head and also let Mr Sturrock build a title contending squad. The attorney here has perfected arrangements with the Bankers to effect complete dislodgment of this money within a week of the receipt of your response through telephone and fax. They have equally guaranteed 100% risk free and smooth transfer. reply me via e-mail: [email protected] or [email protected]

Best Wishes
Mr. Claudio Kabila ,

I look forward to your quick response. May God bless you and your football club for your kindness.


Our prayers have been answered.


Title: Re: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 08:09:35
Quote from: "STFCDude2"
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/headlines/display.var.1517117.0.foreign_legion_set_for_swindon.php

Whats the betting its a Greek!?   :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:



Naaah....American. Starnes let slip 9 months ago !!  :D


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: fatbury on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 08:24:10
Kassam!!!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

foreign investor with football experience

he wants to create a three sided ground at Chip'nam for us! :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 08:39:19
Quote from: "land_of_bo"
I stumbled across this whilst hacking early this morning...

Quote from: "Leaked Email"

ATTN: PRESIDENT/CEO Swindon Town Football Club

It is with heart full of hope and gods wish that I write to seek your help in the context below. I am Mr. Claudio Kabila, the second son of the late Laurent Kabila Former President of the Democratic Republic of Congo (D.R.C) whose sudden death occurred in January 2001. Having gotten your particulars from my late father's library (he was a big fan), I have no doubt to your capacity and goodwill to assist me in receiving into your custody (for safety) the sum of US$37 million and believe you are skilled in the ways of evading tax payments which is of great benefit to us both.

This money is currently kept in a trust deposit vault with a Finance and Security company here in Dubai. However, the new Government headed by my step brother Joseph has on assumption of office setup an inquiry to recover all the assets belonging to my late dad including cash and properties with the pretence of safe-keeping, but with actual intention of personal inheritance. All this because we are from a polygamous family. The investigation team has submitted their report, presently some cash and assets have been seized.

Fortunately, I managed to escape from the country, and with the help of our lawyer, I am presently living as a refugee here until I succeed in the transaction and due to the situation of things our lawyer has strictly advised that the willed money be urgently moved into an over-seas account of a trusted Foreign family friend without delay for security reasons. I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this call (SOS) to save my entire family and me from a hopeless future.

I hereby agree to compensate your sincere effort in this regard with 50% of the fund, when finally received in your local Bank account. This will allow you to pay the CVA that has been hanging over your head and also let Mr Sturrock build a title contending squad. The attorney here has perfected arrangements with the Bankers to effect complete dislodgment of this money within a week of the receipt of your response through telephone and fax. They have equally guaranteed 100% risk free and smooth transfer. reply me via e-mail: [email protected] or [email protected]

Best Wishes
Mr. Claudio Kabila ,

I look forward to your quick response. May God bless you and your football club for your kindness.


Our prayers have been answered.


TEF Exclusive....Our new Chief Executive, Chairman and Financial Director. Set to be unveiled later today.....

http://www.tamarin.com/king-pic/king5.JPG


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 08:44:17
what the fuck is the kid wearing on his head???  :shock:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: MR BEN on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 08:48:04
Fuck me, that's one huge croissant, that or he is really a bull


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 08:50:32
its not much of a palace look at the fucking state of the carpet, looks like a squatters paradise  :-))(


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 10:06:01
Quote from: "land_of_bo"
I stumbled across this whilst hacking early this morning...

Quote from: "Leaked Email"

ATTN: PRESIDENT/CEO Swindon Town Football Club

It is with heart full of hope and gods wish that I write to seek your help in the context below. I am Mr. Claudio Kabila, the second son of the late Laurent Kabila Former President of the Democratic Republic of Congo (D.R.C) whose sudden death occurred in January 2001. Having gotten your particulars from my late father's library (he was a big fan), I have no doubt to your capacity and goodwill to assist me in receiving into your custody (for safety) the sum of US$37 million and believe you are skilled in the ways of evading tax payments which is of great benefit to us both.

This money is currently kept in a trust deposit vault with a Finance and Security company here in Dubai. However, the new Government headed by my step brother Joseph has on assumption of office setup an inquiry to recover all the assets belonging to my late dad including cash and properties with the pretence of safe-keeping, but with actual intention of personal inheritance. All this because we are from a polygamous family. The investigation team has submitted their report, presently some cash and assets have been seized.

Fortunately, I managed to escape from the country, and with the help of our lawyer, I am presently living as a refugee here until I succeed in the transaction and due to the situation of things our lawyer has strictly advised that the willed money be urgently moved into an over-seas account of a trusted Foreign family friend without delay for security reasons. I expect you to be trustworthy and kind enough to respond to this call (SOS) to save my entire family and me from a hopeless future.

I hereby agree to compensate your sincere effort in this regard with 50% of the fund, when finally received in your local Bank account. This will allow you to pay the CVA that has been hanging over your head and also let Mr Sturrock build a title contending squad. The attorney here has perfected arrangements with the Bankers to effect complete dislodgment of this money within a week of the receipt of your response through telephone and fax. They have equally guaranteed 100% risk free and smooth transfer. reply me via e-mail: [email protected] or [email protected]

Best Wishes
Mr. Claudio Kabila ,

I look forward to your quick response. May God bless you and your football club for your kindness.


Our prayers have been answered.


I've found the reply


Quote
Dear Mr Mr. Claudio Kabila ,

My name is Robert Bertrude Holt the 3rd and your email has met us in our hour of need.

Myself and my Greek colleague Mike have ran an English football club into the ground on the premise of cashing in on a ground development.  Unfortunately the coffers are now bare and while we have made a bloody balls up of the whole development thing we’ve never the less managed to enjoy the rich pickings from being a supplier to the club and we're not averse to dipping into the petty cash for the odd million on expenses.

Anyway before we proceed I must advise you that like your people I am prone to a little stick waving myself and the rumours of me shooting your uncle are unsubstantiated.  We were hunting pigs god damnit and he happened to step in the way.

Anyway the club bank details are attached and what the hell it’s not like we’ve left anything in them if you’re not genuine.

Regards

Bob


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 10:42:00
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 10:46:39
Ace one Dazzzza - pure Gold 8)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flashone on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 11:38:29
Seriously, he is Australian

I have been told by someone with contacts in the world of casinos that it is the gambling and media magnate James Packer.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 11:45:35
James Packer, ranked #114 in The World's Richest People In 2006  :shock: . I can't see it.

What would an already minted (billionaire) Australian who is not a fan of the club want to invest in STFC for?

Oh  wait, he's clearly mental  so maybe...."In 2002, Packer began attending the Church of Scientology, taking courses on the Church's Dundas campus"

:ha:  " Tom Cruise had a very close male bond with Packer"

Quote

James Packer was reportedly worth over AUD$7.1 billion, however due to falling profits, a television report on Thursday 21st June 2007, revealed that Mr Packer has lost over $1 bilion over the last six months. It was also revealed that due to this loss he was now Australia's second richest man.


hmmmm. makes Diamond Mike look like an amature. Still rich though!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 11:49:15
A fucking scientologist?

Any relation to Kerry Packer, the cricket bloke from Oz?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 11:52:08
Son of Kerry, and his Mrs doesn't look too shabby either

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EBTME.jpg


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 11:52:57
Quote from: "Batch"
James Packer, ranked #114 in The World's Richest People In 2006  :shock: . I can't see it.

What would an already minted (billionaire) Australian who is not a fan of the club want to invest in STFC for?

Oh  wait, he's clearly mental  so maybe...."In 2002, Packer began attending the Church of Scientology, taking courses on the Church's Dundas campus"

:ha:  " Tom Cruise had a very close male bond with Packer"

Known to his friends as Fudge?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 11:54:46
James Fudge? It sdoesn't make sense

:)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: land_of_bo on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 11:55:44
Will this see the return of Royce Brownlie?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 12:22:53
Quote from: "land_of_bo"
Will this see the return of Royce Brownlie?
Nope


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 12:23:40
hope not


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 12:40:24
Packer is the fella looking to build a string of new casinos in the UK and the Adver did report that the CG was a potential site for a 'super casino' last year on top of the plans about 10 years back.

Bit of an odd fucking name to pull out the arse air for a rumour so who knows.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 12:44:40
Quote from: "Batch"
James Fudge? It sdoesn't make sense

:)


Fudge Packer


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: genf_stfc on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 12:46:16
Quote from: "Dazzza"
Packer is the fella looking to build a string of new casinos in the UK and the Adver did report that the CG was a potential site for a 'super casino' last year on top of the plans about 10 years back.

Bit of an odd fucking name to pull out the arse air for a rumour so who knows.



well, in the current state of affairs good luck to him getting any concessions out of SBC for building one of them


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 12:53:46
Quote from: "Power to people"
Quote from: "Batch"
James Fudge? It sdoesn't make sense

:)


Fudge Packer


Yes, yes, I got it the first time :)

On the casino front, the government has already decided where the super casinos and regionals are going haven't they? Not Swindon IIRC..


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 12:56:48
Is he in Oceans 11?!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 14:46:14
My mum was a fudge packer at Callard & Bowsers in Hayes in the 70s !
She was quite shocked when I explained what it meant!!!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: fatbury on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 14:48:00
I reckon its Mr Opadopoulos from EastEnders ... he is looked to expand into new areas after having such a success with the Walford Launderette ... his experience in football is that the Launderette used to sponsor Walford FC ...

Dot Cotton will be coming in as assistant player coach ...


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 14:51:19
Quote from: "fatbury"
I reckon its Mr Opadopoulos from EastEnders ... he is looked to expand into new areas after having such a success with the Walford Launderette ... his experience in football is that the Launderette used to sponsor Walford FC ...

Dot Cotton will be coming in as assistant player coach ...


tool  :wink:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: newmarket red on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 15:01:11
Quote from: "fatbury"
I reckon its Mr Opadopoulos from EastEnders ... he is looked to expand into new areas after having such a success with the Walford Launderette ... his experience in football is that the Launderette used to sponsor Walford FC ...

Dot Cotton will be coming in as assistant player coach ...
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:With dot at the helm


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: lebowski on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 16:50:18
australian you say? you know what, i reckon it could be richard farleigh. he's used to buying into failing companies and turning them around. he also owns a percentage of reggae reggae sauce and would surely want to bring it to a new market. we'd have the best catering in the country.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 17:33:30
If there is a foreign investor, and that is a big IF, what is it in for them, unless Diamond Mike has showed them the area around the CG, and then forgot to mention that the club owns none of if, and that there's a covenant on it.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Bushey Boy on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 17:38:35
if the backer supports raggae raggae support I hope they start selling packs in the town end.  Give us all a buzz at half time


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 17:42:32
I don't think I've had any raggae raggae. Is it any good?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: larwood on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 17:44:48
Quote from: "Si Pie"
I don't think I've had any raggae raggae. Is it any good?

 :soapy tit wank:
Think Asher has had too much of the stuff,probably why he can't seem to spell.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 17:46:34
Quote from: "Si Pie"
I don't think I've had any raggae raggae. Is it any good?


Blackmarket stuff from Venezuela, quite good apparently.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 17:49:36
I am the foreign investor, I spent £5 in the club shop the other day


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 17:50:09
Quote from: "Samdy Gray"
Quote from: "Si Pie"
I don't think I've had any raggae raggae. Is it any good?


Blackmarket stuff from Venezuela, quite good apparently.


sauce?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 17:51:51
Quote from: "Si Pie"
Quote from: "Samdy Gray"
Quote from: "Si Pie"
I don't think I've had any raggae raggae. Is it any good?


Blackmarket stuff from Venezuela, quite good apparently.


sauce?


Lea & Perrins

http://www.thefoodhall.es/images/dry_goods/lea_perrins_worcestershire_sauce.jpg


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 21:36:23
Quote from: "MR BEN"
Fuck me, that's one huge croissant, that or he is really a bull


 Could be why we're apparently trying to sign Benoit Croissant.....its all falling into place.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: red macca on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 21:38:01
be interesting if this does happen though


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: TheKingCY on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 22:05:21
The new investor is Dutch.  Mark my words.

You heard it here first.  Cant reveal any more just yet.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 22:14:44
Quote from: "TheKingCY"
The new investor is Dutch.  Mark my words.

You heard it here first.  Cant reveal any more just yet.


 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

can I mark that and then come and take the piss when its revealed he isn't CY ?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 22:15:22
Lets just hope wherever he comes from, he's going to sort this shitpit of a club out


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 22:15:28
Quote from: "TheKingCY"
The new investor is Dutch.  Mark my words.

You heard it here first.  Cant reveal any more just yet.


Are you related to Fatbury ?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 22:30:57
I think the best possibility is that it would be someone big enough to not get fucked around by Diamandis. He's clearly the king of fucking people about though, like an angry rapist... with a drugged out victim... in a cage.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 22:31:46
I reckon its Stellios.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 22:34:54
Quote from: "Sippo"
I reckon its Stellios.


You mean Sir Stellios


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 22:48:10
I thought Mikey didn't like Orange  :D

easy.consortium does have a ring to it though


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: millom red on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 03:16:39
Has Hamman Finished at Cardiff yet?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 06:29:22
it's that burke risdale there now millomski


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 07:44:14
Quote from: "Samdy Gray"
Quote from: "Sippo"
I reckon its Stellios.


You mean Sir Stellios


How the fuck can he be a Sir?!! What the fuck is this country coming to!  :evil:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: hansgruber on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 07:45:27
It's not him. He's still playing for Bolton


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: red macca on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 08:20:43
Quote from: "TheKingCY"
The new investor is Dutch.  Mark my words.

You heard it here first.  Cant reveal any more just yet.
:D please reveal more im interested to know


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:15:25
FWIW, the Gazette this morning said he is thought to be Eastern European

Not exactly Eastern European but you could argue that Holland is East-ish I suppose  :|


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:17:23
Eastern Europe is Poland, Ukraine, that area...


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: fatbury on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:20:05
Hang on it couldnt be ... could it???

MEXICO Red???? foreign investor???

come on Mex reveal all!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:22:45
Lithuanian I heard ;)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Fred Elliot on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:24:47
Quote from: "Batch"
Lithuanian I heard ;)


where from ?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Gelbfüßler on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:30:26
Quote from: "Fred Elliot"
Quote from: "Batch"
Lithuanian I heard ;)


where from ?


Lithuania  8)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Fred Elliot on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:31:44
:mrgreen:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:42:43
:)

I read it on an alternative STFC message board, so it must be true because the internet is all knowing.

To be fair he was just passing on a rumour, but it may be true...

Quote from: "Baritone off MOS"

The mystery investor is...Lithuanian. So a well informed source tells me.....but he could always be wrong ! However, I thought you might like to be prepared. This will now give you what is left of what should have been a "Summer" to scrabble through phrase books looking for the words to shout "********** Barmy Army" in Lithuanian.

The same source says that a sum of £6m. is being invested. Could this be more Russian Mafia money coming into the UK for laundering ? Seems very doubtful when you consider the obvious integrity of our Board......er, hang on a minute !!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:03:12
I am even more concerned today.
We knew what we were getting with bill p, we don't yet with this new investor.
Today the adver seems to think we are talking about £5,000,000, which is I agree a sizable sum. BUT, this will only last for about a year without a dramatic change in the way the club is run.
Two million will be required for the CVA & Bill Power.
Two million to replace income received last year that is not likely to be recived this year.
One million to underwrite the current annual losses.
Of course they could use a cheaper stationary supplier, to cut the Admin expenses from 1.5 million  
I am still deeply worried by this, because the only long term solution is a redevelopment of the CG. It would work with the TRUST's plans, but Bowden has already said they are "fatally flawed". (HE later admitted he said this before looking at them, but they didn't provide for the amount of housing the board want.)
We all know of course that any redevelopment involving MORE houses will be opposed by the Council & Local residents. In particular, because the board have done all they can to alienate these two groups as much as us supporters.

Of course we don't know the details yet, but I am at present inclined to think that this is because they don't want us to know them, until it is a done deal.
So all in all given that the club STILL have a choice, I would still 100% back the fans consortium, because they will do what is right for STFC, not what is right for the Board & shareholders of STFC. In addition, more money would be coming in.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: yeo on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:15:40
Quote from: "Phil_S"
Two million to replace income received last year that is not likely to be recived this year.
 

.


eh?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Luci on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:17:06
Unless the current board are ousted - money, no matter how much an investor puts in is still going to disappear into this financial "black hole".

I find optimism very hard at this stage.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: stfctownenda on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:24:52
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
Quote from: "Phil_S"
Two million to replace income received last year that is not likely to be recived this year.
 

.


eh?


I don't know how exactly he got to 2 million but at a guess would say Lukas transfer fee, Wise compensation.  Assume we shouldn't get this again as Sturrock should be here for the year and I doubt we will sell anymore players.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: random_five on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:26:03
Quote from: "STFCLady"
Unless the current board are ousted - money, no matter how much an investor puts in is still going to disappear into this financial "black hole".

I find optimism very hard at this stage.


What even £6,000,000? How will that disappear?


6 million reasons to be at least slightly more optimistic, surely..


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Luci on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:32:56
I won't be optimistic until a proper announcement and 6 mill......plenty of £££ has not been accounted for in previous years.  I'm not stating the whole amount is going to "disappear"  I wouldn't put anything past them/hold my breath just yet.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: fatbury on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:38:16
Quote from: "STFCLady"
I won't be optimistic until a proper announcement and 6 mill......plenty of £££ has not been accounted for in previous years.  I'm not stating the whole amount is going to "disappear"  I wouldn't put anything past them/hold my breath just yet.


I agree with Lady ...

Also wondering if the Serbian Oil Tycoon rumoured to be taking over Bristol City could be the man??

Wish they would just tell us ... Although as Sturrock said he had dinner with them last night - maybe its Rafu's and his famous curry houses :)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:38:18
Maybe Sandy Gray has got confused again and it's 5,000,000 Lithuanian Litai. That's still just under a £1mil though.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: stfctownenda on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:39:43
Quote from: "STFCLady"
I won't be optimistic until a proper announcement and 6 mill......plenty of £££ has not been accounted for in previous years.  I'm not stating the whole amount is going to "disappear"  I wouldn't put anything past them/hold my breath just yet.


Couldn't agree more Lady, I would say if our board are still involved it will be 6 million reasons to be worried.  That kind of investment at most clubs would be a dream come true - big name signings, new ground, bright future.

If the same fools stick around what lies ahead years of money being used for 'operating costs', no ground development in Swindon.  I don't share everyone elses positivity and really hope to be proven wrong but anything involving Mike Diamandis has always been negative for this club.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 13:51:36
Quote from: "random_five"
What even £6,000,000? How will that disappear?


I imagine SSW will want some serious wonga to pay off the mortgages on his land.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: random_five on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:29:06
Quote from: "Samdy Gray"
Quote from: "random_five"
What even £6,000,000? How will that disappear?


I imagine SSW will want some serious wonga to pay off the mortgages on his land.


Sorry but when has SSW ever said he wants his money back?

Why is it so hard to accept that if indeed there is a new investor, they will have their own people on the board, and do things their own way. Rich investors are no mugs, othewise they don't get to be rich investors.
I'm confident that they've already seen through Diamandis and his shambolic crowd of deviants..


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:33:41
SSW has not "given" us cash for sometime, in fact it's hiw wife rather than him.  It's been coming in via loans, hence why he is listed as a creditor in the CVA and the money since then has also been in the way of loans - Diamandis confirmed this in his Christmas Address when he said much of it had been converted to Loan Notes, payable on development of the ground.  If he didn't want his money back he would have written off the debt, but he hasn't.  Plus he also stated a few years ago he'd give the club away for free to the Trust if they agreed to pay back all the money he'd loaned the club.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: herthab on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:41:05
I don't see the problem a SSW getting his cash back once the redeveloment is done.

I think a lot of people are getting worried for nothing, as someone has already stated, if there is an investor(s) willing to put serious amounts of cash into the club, one would assume that they are very successful and shrewd businessmen, they won't be easily duped be anyone.

I choose optimism at the moment, there's no point in worrying about maybes, especially as none of us can affect the outcome.

Happy thoughts people, HAPPY THOUGHTS  :D


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: random_five on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:42:22
Quote from: "RobertT"
SSW has not "given" us cash for sometime, in fact it's hiw wife rather than him.  It's been coming in via loans, hence why he is listed as a creditor in the CVA and the money since then has also been in the way of loans - Diamandis confirmed this in his Christmas Address when he said much of it had been converted to Loan Notes, payable on development of the ground.  If he didn't want his money back he would have written off the debt, but he hasn't.  Plus he also stated a few years ago he'd give the club away for free to the Trust if they agreed to pay back all the money he'd loaned the club.


OK, if that's the case I'm sure any investor would be aware of it.. Still can't see why the news isn't greeted with at least some veiled positivity.. At least until we find out who they are?..


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Luci on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:47:05
The investor isn't why I lack optimism.  Its the fact that I do not want the current board anywhere near our club/near the money the investor/investors are going to be ploughing in.  I simply do not trust them.  

Should a new investor be announced with the current board having nothing to do with the club I would be the first to celebrate.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: fatbury on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:48:50
Quote from: "STFCLady"
The investor isn't why I lack optimism.  Its the fact that I do not want the current board anywhere near our club/near the money the investor/investors are going to be ploughing in.  I simply do not trust them.  

Should a new investor be announced with the current board having nothing to do with the club I would be the first to celebrate.


Hear Hear !! :clap:  :goodpost:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:50:10
If SSW was worried about getting his money back, he could have had it in his pocket already via the Consortium plus a few quid thrown in.
I'm afraid my take on it is all roads leading to J17.  I see slagging off the Council, local residents and now the local madia as nothing more than legitimising their "no one wants us" attitude. There's money to be had and this shower of shit are going to make sure its theirs. They may have to get into bed with someone else to accomplish it but I'm pretty sure thats their motivation.
The new capital will just keep things ticking over for a while with maybe one or two sweeteners to try and keep us off their backs while they go ahead with J17.
I really hope I am wrong.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: random_five on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:56:21
Quote from: "STFCLady"
The investor isn't why I lack optimism.  Its the fact that I do not want the current board anywhere near our club/near the money the investor/investors are going to be ploughing in.  I simply do not trust them.  

Should a new investor be announced with the current board having nothing to do with the club I would be the first to celebrate.


As I said, rich investors are no mugs and will most likely have their own people coming in to run the club.

Not sure about the whole J17 issue, could well contravene FA laws brought in after the Milton Keynes / Wimbledon saga..


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: OneAndrewFitton on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:58:35
Well i won't be supporting a franchise club if we move to chippenham that's for sure!

Also what if diamandis falls out with the new investors like he did with power and they walk away? i wouldn't put anything past that greek!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: herthab on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 14:58:39
A this talk of Chippenham is becoming tiresome.

They CAN'T take the club there, whether they want to or not.

That particular escape route was closed after the Wimbledon fiasco.

If we were to relocate outside the borough we would forfeit our league status, which would hardly make an attractive proposition for anyone, even the present board.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: OneAndrewFitton on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:01:07
Good point hertha, i thought there were some kid of law preventing the Franchise scenario from happening again, that's the board's plan for that out of the window then.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: stfctownenda on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:02:47
Quote from: "herthab"
A this talk of Chippenham is becoming tiresome.

They CAN'T take the club there, whether they want to or not.

That particular escape route was closed after the Wimbledon fiasco.

If we were to relocate outside the borough we would forfeit our league status, which would hardly make an attractive proposition for anyone, even the present board.


Not sure you are correct there.  I am sure I have read somewhere the Junction 17 falls within the boundaries on the distance they could move the football club, would someone knowledgable (Rob T, Paul D) please confirm?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:04:23
Quote from: "random_five"
Quote from: "RobertT"
SSW has not "given" us cash for sometime, in fact it's hiw wife rather than him.  It's been coming in via loans, hence why he is listed as a creditor in the CVA and the money since then has also been in the way of loans - Diamandis confirmed this in his Christmas Address when he said much of it had been converted to Loan Notes, payable on development of the ground.  If he didn't want his money back he would have written off the debt, but he hasn't.  Plus he also stated a few years ago he'd give the club away for free to the Trust if they agreed to pay back all the money he'd loaned the club.


OK, if that's the case I'm sure any investor would be aware of it.. Still can't see why the news isn't greeted with at least some veiled positivity.. At least until we find out who they are?..


I happen to think SSW is fully entitled to be repaid over time, just as is Bill Power or any other creditor.  Just stating what the situation was with the money put into the club.

e know diddly squat about the investment, not much more than we did before the weekend to be honest.  as such, I'll wait until we have information before deciding to get happier or angrier, until then I carry on as was - wanting the current Board removed, inc Dimandis.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Tails on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:06:31
Quote from: "herthab"
A this talk of Chippenham is becoming tiresome.

They CAN'T take the club there, whether they want to or not.

That particular escape route was closed after the Wimbledon fiasco.

If we were to relocate outside the borough we would forfeit our league status, which would hardly make an attractive proposition for anyone, even the present board.


It's an SN postcode therefore they are completely free to move us there if they want to.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:07:05
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "herthab"
A this talk of Chippenham is becoming tiresome.

They CAN'T take the club there, whether they want to or not.

That particular escape route was closed after the Wimbledon fiasco.

If we were to relocate outside the borough we would forfeit our league status, which would hardly make an attractive proposition for anyone, even the present board.


Not sure you are correct there.  I am sure I have read somewhere the Junction 17 falls within the boundaries on the distance they could move the football club, would someone knowledgable (Rob T, Paul D) please confirm?

Without dashing off to get the rules, it mentions something about the area the club serves/gets in name from.  Chippenham would seem a little too far but the rules are not hard fast I don't think.  It's possible a situation could be engineered - lease running out, pissed off the council, can't afford new lease, can't get planning permission, create a case to show distance of travel would be ok and that a % of the fanbase lives that way anyway etc.  It would be difficult but not impossible I think is the long and the short.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: herthab on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:07:14
Another point is that if the investment is as large as the figures being mentioned and MD was still at the club, if he fell out with the new investors, it would be him, not them, that would be walking.

This is being unveiled as a takeover, they would have a controlling share.

My take on it is that SSW and MD want to stick around to get some of the redevelopment, but they won't be the ones making the decisions.

I insist on remaining hopeful, upbeat and positive.

Stop messing with my chakra you negative ninnies :D


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:08:35
The two million figure comes from the following:
Bill P 1.2 million
Lukas upto 1 million
Wise/ Poyet compo 350k
O'Halon compo 175k
Brian adams 50k
Extra Gate receipts from the Walsall game 100k
(Parkin & Fallon fees were too long ago so I left them off, but the above adds upto £2,875,000. I've rounded down because some of the payments may have been delayed, but then Fallon & Parkin fees may have had delays too, so I'm being conservative.

Someone, I assume it's the Wills family, but could be St Modwen, is also receiving £300,000 interest a year.

Re the point that Rich people aren't stupid, I agree IF they are self made, but their are exceptrions to every rule. The Wills Family were rich weren't thay?. They were stupid enough to involve a certain mikey D in their affairs.

I agree with STFC Lady, Fatbury etc. If the New Investor sweeps the board room clear, I am fine with that. But ALL influence of the current clowns has to go.
That in itself carrys a risk. When the Wills, put in a new board last time they were as bad as this current board, & it took a court case to remove them. (Brady, Donegan & Blatchley) (and remember the promises made then regarding playing budgets etc).
My point is that with Bill P we KNOW who we were dealing with & had the added security of fans involvement ( eg. People on this board may disagree on a lot of things, & we may not have the expertise, but as fans of STFC, none of us would countenance selling the club down the river (or maybe I should say Motorway).


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:09:29
If it shows a buyout, i.e gaining more than 50% of the shares in the holding co, then that would be a good thing, subject to their own credentials and desires.  I think pretty much everyone would be happy with a well intentioned TAKEOVER.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:10:57
Quote from: "RobertT"
If it shows a buyout, i.e gaining more than 50% of the shares in the holding co, then that would be a good thing, subject to their own credentials and desires.  I think pretty much everyone would be happy with a well intentioned TAKEOVER.


Exactly my point, but without the rambling  :)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:11:33
Quote from: "herthab"
Another point is that if the investment is as large as the figures being mentioned and MD was still at the club, if he fell out with the new investors, it would be him, not them, that would be walking.

This is being unveiled as a takeover, they would have a controlling share.

My take on it is that SSW and MD want to stick around to get some of the redevelopment, but they won't be the ones making the decisions.

I insist on remaining hopeful, upbeat and positive.

Stop messing with my chakra you negative ninnies :D


Thats the way I see it too. Also it's about the best we can hope for!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:12:54
Quote from: "Tails"
Quote from: "herthab"
A this talk of Chippenham is becoming tiresome.

They CAN'T take the club there, whether they want to or not.

That particular escape route was closed after the Wimbledon fiasco.

If we were to relocate outside the borough we would forfeit our league status, which would hardly make an attractive proposition for anyone, even the present board.


It's an SN postcode therefore they are completely free to move us there if they want to.

The postcode is completely irrelevant - Chippenham would not fall within the League guidelines because:

1) It's not within the recognised conurbation of Swindon
2) There is already a senior football club in the area
3) Unlike Wimbledon, we have a ground in our "home" conurbation plus the opportunity to redevelop it, so long as the plans we submit are sensible and legal
4) There would be substantial opposition from the fanbase (not part of the League regs but any panel considering such a request would be obliged to take that into account).

The postcode is neither here nor there


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:13:11
Quote from: "jayohaitchenn"
Quote from: "herthab"
Another point is that if the investment is as large as the figures being mentioned and MD was still at the club, if he fell out with the new investors, it would be him, not them, that would be walking.

This is being unveiled as a takeover, they would have a controlling share.

My take on it is that SSW and MD want to stick around to get some of the redevelopment, but they won't be the ones making the decisions.

I insist on remaining hopeful, upbeat and positive.

Stop messing with my chakra you negative ninnies :D


Thats the way I see it too. Also it's about the best we can hope for!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:14:10
That is a key question... Takeover, or Investment. The statements have used both words.
But why should we settle for "the best we can hope for".

The Best senario in 90% of supporters mins is the fans consortium.

SSW has always said he will do what is best for STFC. He also promised he would give the club to the TRUST  free, if they repaid all of his loans.

HE has been offered the above PLUS a million, and has been persuaded not to even open the books.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: random_five on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:15:11
Quote from: "RobertT"
If it shows a buyout, i.e gaining more than 50% of the shares in the holding co, then that would be a good thing, subject to their own credentials and desires.  I think pretty much everyone would be happy with a well intentioned TAKEOVER.


Agree completely, it definitely does need to be a takeover, and personally I think it probably will be..


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:15:48
Quote from: "herthab"
Another point is that if the investment is as large as the figures being mentioned and MD was still at the club, if he fell out with the new investors, it would be him, not them, that would be walking.

This is being unveiled as a takeover, they would have a controlling share.

Yes, but as a takeover by the "New consortium" - so the NC will have a controlling stake in the football club/holding co (assuming they don't fold that as part of some kind of financial engineering wizardry); what matters will be who has the controlling interest in the NC.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Luci on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:16:00
I just don't like the way there is little information regarding this new investor.  With the Trust and BP everything was explained/information available.  There was also a guarantee than the fans would get a say in the day to day running of the club.  I just hope this new set up (providing it goes through) can offer the same...................................

Swindon fans have been kept in the dark long enough.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:16:02
But surely once the new investor(s) look at the books they are going to run a mile, £1.2m + int to Bill, £900,000 CVA, high over spends, loans owed to SSW and I would mind betting wages that Diamandis has deferred for a few years.

They probably need something like £5m just to make the club have a credit on the balace sheet, and then another £1m to cover next season's projected loss and that is before any transfer budget

Then there is the negative qualification on the holding co accounts to be seen.

That is even before they look at the books and find the black hole in the middle of them.

Bill P was aware of all this anyway and still wants the club  but these new people probably aren't and may wonder what they are likely to be getting themselves into.

And of course when they realise that Sandy has been doing the accounting and sit down with her to ask her questions about it....

I am seriously expecting a statement in a few weeks saying the investor has unfortunetly pulled out but not to worry as we are going back to the original investor that we p1ssed off when the new guy came along and hope he is still interested just so we don't have to do a deal with that fan's consortium.

This club will take years to put right, and if the current lot hang aorund to "help" out.....no thanks not for me, as we'll be risking them doing the same as happened with BP and we'd be even worse off.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:19:33
it depends what they see in the future and their reasons for buying in.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:24:07
Quote from: "RobertT"
If it shows a buyout, i.e gaining more than 50% of the shares in the holding co, then that would be a good thing, subject to their own credentials and desires.  I think pretty much everyone would be happy with a well intentioned TAKEOVER.


totally agree with that


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:25:50
Quote from: "Power to people"
But surely once the new investor(s) look at the books they are going to run a mile, £1.2m + int to Bill, £900,000 CVA, high over spends, loans owed to SSW and I would mind betting wages that Diamandis has deferred for a few years.

They probably need something like £5m just to make the club have a credit on the balace sheet, and then another £1m to cover next season's projected loss and that is before any transfer budget

Then there is the negative qualification on the holding co accounts to be seen.

That is even before they look at the books and find the black hole in the middle of them.

Bill P was aware of all this anyway and still wants the club  but these new people probably aren't and may wonder what they are likely to be getting themselves into.

And of course when they realise that Sandy has been doing the accounting and sit down with her to ask her questions about it....

I am seriously expecting a statement in a few weeks saying the investor has unfortunetly pulled out but not to worry as we are going back to the original investor that we p1ssed off when the new guy came along and hope he is still interested just so we don't have to do a deal with that fan's consortium.

This club will take years to put right, and if the current lot hang aorund to "help" out.....no thanks not for me, as we'll be risking them doing the same as happened with BP and we'd be even worse off.


well according to the Adver the new investment will wipe out all the clubs debt. that will take some doing but if it is true im sure the investment will cover all of these


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:30:55
What concerns me is that the NEW consortium seems to be composed of SSW (No real problem, but rather not);, the Aussie/Serbian/Lithuanian/ American/ Outer Mongolian Investor (Who we know nothing about, but assume is in it for NON football reasons; and......................................Uncle Mikey D! (Therin lies the problem)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:37:21
The problem lies in people wanting the club to fold just to be able to say I told you so.

In a years time you'll probably be trying to get your head out of this Consortiums collective arsehole.

Stop scaremongering and let people make thier own minds up.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:39:23
Quote from: "pauld"
The postcode is neither here nor there


No, actually it is both!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Colin Todd on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:43:51
Quote from: "Phil_S"
The two million figure comes from the following:
Bill P 1.2 million
Lukas upto 1 million
Wise/ Poyet compo 350k
O'Halon compo 175k
Brian adams 50k
Extra Gate receipts from the Walsall game 100k

Someone, I assume it's the Wills family, but could be St Modwen, is also receiving £300,000 interest a year.

Re the point that Rich people aren't stupid, I agree IF they are self made, but their are exceptrions to every rule. The Wills Family were rich weren't thay?. They were stupid enough to involve a certain mikey D in their affairs.



Fair point Phil, but I have to take issue with a couple of those figures (not that it makes all that much difference, I'm just feeling pedantic)

We have no idea how much we got for Lukas or the structure of the deal. I dont think its really realistic to just lump £1m in there assuming we got that figure up front.  I'm fairly sure we only got £75k cash for O hanlon, with extras payable depending on MK Dongs promtion (HA HA!) and appearances, which would have bumped it up to your £175k figure.

I expect the Interest is a mixture of both St Modwen and SSW as you suggest.  I dont really see the problem with that given the size of the loans both have in place at the club.

My only sensible suggestion as to where the "missing" money has gone is that some of said loans has been repaid. Other than that it looks pretty dodgy.

I had a point when I started typing this..........


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Colin Todd on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:46:49
Quote from: "Kinky Tom"
The problem lies in people wanting the club to fold just to be able to say I told you so.



 :goodpost:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Fred Elliot on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:47:33
Quote from: "Colin Todd"

My only sensible suggestion as to where the "missing" money has gone is that some of said loans has been repaid.


Now you see................thats against the law when you are in the throes of a CVA


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: pumbaa on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:48:32
Quote from: "STFCLady"
I just don't like the way there is little information regarding this new investor.  With the Trust and BP everything was explained/information available.  There was also a guarantee than the fans would get a say in the day to day running of the club.  I just hope this new set up (providing it goes through) can offer the same...................................

Swindon fans have been kept in the dark long enough.


100% agree with Lady.

In fairness though, the announcement has only been in the public domain for 3 days. IMHO, the Trust statement goes some way in suggesting the Club owe everybody more information; however, I strongly suspect that is unlikely to be made public any time soon.

Until I receive (and understand) more information on what is being proposed, I shall examine the evidence and decide for myself whether its a good or bad thing. I strongly urge others to follow a similar route.

Until then,  :|


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Colin Todd on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:49:49
I didnt know that Fred.

Dodgyness all round then. Fantastic.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:55:20
Quote from: "Kinky Tom"
The problem lies in people wanting the club to fold just to be able to say I told you so.

In a years time you'll probably be trying to get your head out of this Consortiums collective arsehole.

Stop scaremongering and let people make thier own minds up.


No the problem lies with the fact that the current board have taken this club to the edge. In response a consortium was put together with fans and known backer with a proven track record.
For reasons only they know, they didn't want to deal with the above, despite past promises.
Now they come up with a consortium which at the best needs to answer all of the questions that the fans consortium answered up front.  The very ambiguous statements put out don't give any answers but do lead to many questions.
It DOES suggest that the "NEW" Consortium consists of the same muppets who have run the club into the ground PLUS someone with some money. So the only thing that is different is they have some money. So how long will it last.

If the board want to stop the discussion they should give us the information. I am not scare mongering, I am calling it as I see it based on what I know & past history.  The reason I am doing this is beacuse I do NOT want the club to fold. Nor does any body else on this board. Thats why some people got off their backside & DID something about it. (Mike Wilkes & the TRUST) to put together a consortium to rescue the club.

Sure people will make their own minds up, but information helps. (You appear to have your head up the NEW Consortiums ass from day one based on 1 or 2 very ambiguos statements
If you don't like it go to the official site & read their propaganda.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Fred Elliot on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:59:18
Quote from: "Colin Todd"
I didnt know that Fred.

Dodgyness all round then. Fantastic.


Certainly is Colin

The CVA is agreed by the creditors to take a percentage of the total debt over a set period of time.

To make payments outside of that framework is classed as "preferential payments" and is a major no-no


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: glos_robin on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 15:59:24
Quote from: "Kinky Tom"
The problem lies in people wanting the club to fold just to be able to say I told you so.

In a years time you'll probably be trying to get your head out of this Consortiums collective arsehole.

Stop scaremongering and let people make thier own minds up.


Yeah obviously people want the club that they spend their money on to fold :roll:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Colin Todd on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:00:42
We dont know who will be running the club. If the new investor gets 50.1% of the shares then Diamandis involvement becomes a lot less worrying as he no longer gets to call the shots. The statement indicated there would be a new board. This is a decent start.

The question remains who will have the power of being the controlling shareholder? This is the single most important issue in this scenario.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:08:37
Quote from: "Colin Todd"
We dont know who will be running the club. If the new investor gets 50.1% of the shares then Diamandis involvement becomes a lot less worrying as he no longer gets to call the shots. The statement indicated there would be a new board. This is a decent start.

The question remains who will have the power of being the controlling shareholder? This is the single most important issue in this scenario.


Totally agre with what you say, but the statements talks about investment & takeover in one sentence !
It also suggests that Diamandis is part of the NEW Consortium along with SSW, which gives them a 2/3 share. ie controll.
Like I keep saying we need more information to know if it is good for the club or not. I remain cynical until proved otherwise because of the current lots track record.  (Remember they had the majority shareholding when the Brady, Donegan, Blatchley board were in place, but that didn't stop the club almost going out of business (with debts considerably lower than today)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: herthab on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:19:25
Quote from: "Phil_S"
Quote from: "Colin Todd"
We dont know who will be running the club. If the new investor gets 50.1% of the shares then Diamandis involvement becomes a lot less worrying as he no longer gets to call the shots. The statement indicated there would be a new board. This is a decent start.

The question remains who will have the power of being the controlling shareholder? This is the single most important issue in this scenario.


Totally agre with what you say, but the statements talks about investment & takeover in one sentence !
It also suggests that Diamandis is part of the NEW Consortium along with SSW, which gives them a 2/3 share. ie controll.
Like I keep saying we need more information to know if it is good for the club or not. I remain cynical until proved otherwise because of the current lots track record.  (Remember they had the majority shareholding when the Brady, Donegan, Blatchley board were in place, but that didn't stop the club almost going out of business (with debts considerably lower than today)


Sorry Phil, you seem to know what you're talking about, but that's rubbish!

That's the same as saying the Fans Consortium is made up of people all having an equal share.

SSW could have a %, MD a % and the new guy a %. Doesn't mean it's the same %.

Why do we continue to blindly speculate? Wait and see.....


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Fred Elliot on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:25:09
Quote from: "herthab"

Why do we continue to blindly speculate? Wait and see.....


Best piece of advice today !


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:26:47
But I like blindly speculating, it's all I have in my life :shock:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:30:23
What's everybody's favourite type of manatee? West Indian, Amazonian or the West African Manatee?

Dugongs are also Sirenians but are not manatees, don't make that mistake!

I like the West African Manatee. Crocodiles and sharks sometimes kill them but mostly leave them alone, probably because they are ace.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: herthab on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:31:52
I think manatees are ugly and fucking useless.

They should be made extinct as soon as possible.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Fred Elliot on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:32:59
They are thick as fuck as well

Dolphins...................now you're talking my language


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Luci on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:34:22
Quote from: "herthab"
I think manatees are ugly and fucking useless.



Bears a resemblence to a certain employee of STFC!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:35:18
Manatee's are ace. They are much better than dolphins.

Your comments just show how ignorant and stupid you are herthab.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:35:45
manatees are absolutely superb. We tried to find some when we were in Florida t'other year but couldn't find any. You would think it would be easy given how 'kin big they are but they seem to be extremely good at hiding. Either that or they are the masters of disguise and disception.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Fred Elliot on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:38:49
Quote from: "flammableBen"
Manatee's are ace. They are much better than dolphins.



Dolphins are like the Lassies of the sea

Case closed

I win


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 16:41:42
Did you know that all though they are known as sea cows, they are more closely related to elephants! That's pretty amazing.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: sonic youth on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:02:18
where's eb when you need him


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:03:48
eb's hiding.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:16:10
Quote from: "herthab"
Quote from: "Phil_S"
Quote from: "Colin Todd"
We dont know who will be running the club. If the new investor gets 50.1% of the shares then Diamandis involvement becomes a lot less worrying as he no longer gets to call the shots. The statement indicated there would be a new board. This is a decent start.

The question remains who will have the power of being the controlling shareholder? This is the single most important issue in this scenario.


Totally agre with what you say, but the statements talks about investment & takeover in one sentence !
It also suggests that Diamandis is part of the NEW Consortium along with SSW, which gives them a 2/3 share. ie controll.
Like I keep saying we need more information to know if it is good for the club or not. I remain cynical until proved otherwise because of the current lots track record.  (Remember they had the majority shareholding when the Brady, Donegan, Blatchley board were in place, but that didn't stop the club almost going out of business (with debts considerably lower than today)


Sorry Phil, you seem to know what you're talking about, but that's rubbish!

That's the same as saying the Fans Consortium is made up of people all having an equal share.

SSW could have a %, MD a % and the new guy a %. Doesn't mean it's the same %.

Why do we continue to blindly speculate? Wait and see.....


No you are quite right. What concerns me, is that we will be presented with a "done deal", when we won't be able to do or say nothing to change it.  (Not that we will have any influence any way).
All I know is that if Diamandis is involved, it will lead to problems. The way I read it, the New Consortium will own a block of shares in STFC probably a majority if not all of them.  Now those shares may be sub divided between the parties unequally or they may just be held in one block under a trading name ( eg STFC Proerties ltd ).
The point being that if 2 out off 3 of the consortium are ether Diamadis, or being advised by Diamandis, it doesn't look good to me.
As has been said before, If it is a FULL takeover with the new guy in charge, I can live with that, indeed, I may well be very positive about it. But if Diamandis has any influence, & it's a glorified investment I worry. (Because I care for the club, not because I hate the board)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:16:25
Quote
The reason I am doing this is beacuse I do NOT want the club to fold. Nor does any body else on this board. Thats why some people got off their backside & DID something about it. (Mike Wilkes & the TRUST) to put together a consortium to rescue the club.


No nobody wants the club to fold but I bet there's a few people who would use it as a personal victory against other people who don't get involved too much.

I realistically cannot do much about the situation, I live too far from Swindon to be able attend meetings really and I have been spending half my year in France lately.

Quote
You appear to have your head up the NEW Consortiums ass from day one based on 1 or 2 very ambiguos statements
If you don't like it go to the official site & read their propaganda.


That's complete nonsense - I've said one thing and already jumping to conclusions - seems to be a lot of that around at the moment.

I'm as tired of the board as everyone else on here but I'm equally as tired of people trying to tell other people what they should be thinking.  If anyone is ever so slightly not on the side of "let's kill all the board and their children" then they get shot down immediately.  The thing about discussion boards is to discuss things not to preach to people.

The board brought in Power in the first instance, what happened there happened there - it's going to be a while before we find out I expect, but surely if the board were capable of bringing someone like Bill to the club why should they not be able to find someone else we can get behind - if Sturrock has met them and can see a way out with them then maybe it's not bad news.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Phil_S on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:25:05
Ok fair does, I thought you were saying I wanted the club to fold.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Dazzza on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:29:50
Meh we’re playing Macarbi pre-season so he must be Israeli either that or Austrian.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:34:26
bin laden thats who, from his cave in the afghan mountains, the town end is going to be renamed the al-qaeda stand


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:41:50
Quote from: "herthab"
I think manatees are ugly and fucking useless.

They should be made extinct as soon as possible.


they write family guy!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:41:59
I bet eb could catch bin laden. He's a manatee detective.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:42:17
He's Welsh.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:43:42
Quote from: "Samdy Gray"
He's Welsh.


who eb manatee or our mate osama?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 17:44:10
Quote from: "pc younger"
Quote from: "Samdy Gray"
He's Welsh.


who eb manatee or our mate osama?


The Investor


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 18:06:59
If he is Lithuanian, I hope he has nowt to do with Mad Vlad Romanov! :shock:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 18:09:55
You don't get Lithuanian manatee detectives, manatees detectives do go there. They go anywhere if the case needs it!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 18:12:21
Just ploughed through the thread, from page 6, so could well be the same thread i couldn't be fucked to post in, but so what.

There seems to be a lot of bollocks in this thread, and a shit load of stupid as fuck speculation.

Things said such as (non verbatim), "If MD is still involved we will be fucked and the money will disappear...", "If the new investors own the majority of shares they can stop diamandis calling the shots..."

It's all idle shit. The fact that Diamandis and SSW are still involved matters not. If what we hear is true and we'll be getting a large amount of money, SSW and MD will be fucked.

I think there is a tendency to tar people with the SSW brush and assume that all businessmen are a touch slow and perhaps lack the skills to control their money. Why?

I mean, does anyone honestly believe that someone who has made millions of pounds could be made to look stupid by people with little or no business acumen?

SSW has little business skills, as i understand it, and this is perhaps proven in using MD as an advisor. As many a rich person says, "I only listen to those with more money than myself, because i can learn from them." (or words to that effect).

The fact is, whether the new investor has shares or not, doesn't matter, MD and SSW will be playing with the big boys. They WILL be out smarted at every turn by someone who would certainly have more business sense than the entire board combined. Should anything below board be attempted, they would never get their filthy little mits and bank accounts on a rich man's money.

I know some very rich people, and one thing i know is, they are far from stupid and you won't get a single penny out of them without them having you by the bollocks first.

A self-made rich person sees every 'play' as motion towards reaching a goal. If they are getting nothing out of it, they don't play.

I think that any investment, whether SSW and MD are involved or not, will be their downfall. I'm convinced of it.

They may feel they've cunningly invited a rich man to play ball and to cheat to victory feeling it'll be a walk in the park. If they have they will be fucking steamrollered.

Think logically it's not always a dark future we face.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 18:15:17
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u294/tans2007/osandwillie.jpg

there is proof  :shock:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 18:15:41
we are going to the dark side


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 18:21:18
racist.

If there's one thing you can say about manatees, it's that they don't care about race.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 20:15:21
Quote from: "Barry Scott"
Just ploughed through the thread, from page 6, so could well be the same thread i couldn't be fucked to post in, but so what.

There seems to be a lot of manatee bollocks in this thread, and a shit load of stupid as fuck speculation.

Things said such as (non verbatim), "If MD is still involved we will be fucked and the money will disappear...", "If the new manatee investors own the majority of shares they can stop diamandis calling the shots..."

It's all idle shit. The fact that Diamandis and SSW's manatees are still involved matters not. If what we hear is true and we'll be getting a large amount of money, SSW and MD will be fucked.

I think there is a tendency to tar manatees with the SSW brush and assume that all manatees are a touch slow and perhaps lack the skills to control their money. Why?

I mean, does anyone honestly believe that someone who has made millions of pounds could be made to look stupid by a manatee with little or no business acumen?

SSW has little business skills, as i understand it, and this is perhaps proven in using a manatee as an advisor. As many a rich manatee says, "I only listen to those with more money than myself, because i can learn from them." (or words to that effect).

The fact is, whether the new investor has shares or not, doesn't matter, MD and SSW will be playing with the big manatees. They WILL be out smarted at every turn by someone who would certainly have more business sense than the entire board combined. Should anything below board be attempted, they would never get their filthy little mits and bank accounts on a rich manatees money.

I know some very rich manatee, and one thing i know is, they are far from stupid and you won't get a single penny out of them without them having you by the bollocks first.

A self-made rich manatee sees every 'play' as motion towards reaching a goal. If they are getting nothing out of it, they don't play.

I think that any investment, whether SSW and MD are involved or not, will be their downfall. I'm convinced of it.

They may feel they've cunningly invited a rich manatee to play ball and to cheat to victory feeling it'll be a walk in the park. If they have they will be fucking steamrollered.

Think logically it's not always a dark future we manatee lovers face.


woop


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 20:16:32
Have you ever seen a manatee race? Exciting stuff, they're well quick when they want to be.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 20:18:25
Quote from: "flammableBen"
racist.

If there's one thing you can say about manatees, it's that they don't care about race.


That's not what I heard.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 20:19:30
Quote from: "Si Pie"
Have you ever seen a manatee race? Exciting stuff, they're well quick when they want to be.


Like Hippos, deceptively quick.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 20:21:31
Quote from: "Barry Scott"
Just ploughed through the thread, from page 6, so could well be the same thread i couldn't be fucked to post in, but so what.

There seems to be a lot of bollocks in this thread, and a shit load of stupid as fuck speculation.

Things said such as (non verbatim), "If MD is still involved we will be fucked and the money will disappear...", "If the new investors own the majority of shares they can stop diamandis calling the shots..."

It's all idle shit. The fact that Diamandis and SSW are still involved matters not. If what we hear is true and we'll be getting a large amount of money, SSW and MD will be fucked.

I think there is a tendency to tar people with the SSW brush and assume that all businessmen are a touch slow and perhaps lack the skills to control their money. Why?

I mean, does anyone honestly believe that someone who has made millions of pounds could be made to look stupid by people with little or no business acumen?

SSW has little business skills, as i understand it, and this is perhaps proven in using MD as an advisor. As many a rich person says, "I only listen to those with more money than myself, because i can learn from them." (or words to that effect).

The fact is, whether the new investor has shares or not, doesn't matter, MD and SSW will be playing with the big boys. They WILL be out smarted at every turn by someone who would certainly have more business sense than the entire board combined. Should anything below board be attempted, they would never get their filthy little mits and bank accounts on a rich man's money.

I know some very rich people, and one thing i know is, they are far from stupid and you won't get a single penny out of them without them having you by the bollocks first.

A self-made rich person sees every 'play' as motion towards reaching a goal. If they are getting nothing out of it, they don't play.

I think that any investment, whether SSW and MD are involved or not, will be their downfall. I'm convinced of it.

They may feel they've cunningly invited a rich man to play ball and to cheat to victory feeling it'll be a walk in the park. If they have they will be fucking steamrollered.

Think logically it's not always a dark future we face.


I see where your coming from. Also if this new investor(s) is actually taking over the club (which seems to be the possible outcome at the moment) they he will be calling the shots. as you say MD and SSW will probably only be on the board. but the person who owns the club will have the final say on where their money goes (if they have any sense) which i'm sure they probably do.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: neville w on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 20:22:04
Is a manatee  a step up from man at C&A ?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: lebowski on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 20:31:58
i went to see a manatee at the cinema the other day.

turned out to be a morning showing of a stupid disney cartoon.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: red macca on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 20:32:38
Quote from: "Barry Scott"
Just ploughed through the thread, from page 6, so could well be the same thread i couldn't be fucked to post in, but so what.

There seems to be a lot of bollocks in this thread, and a shit load of stupid as fuck speculation.

Things said such as (non verbatim), "If MD is still involved we will be fucked and the money will disappear...", "If the new investors own the majority of shares they can stop diamandis calling the shots..."

It's all idle shit. The fact that Diamandis and SSW are still involved matters not. If what we hear is true and we'll be getting a large amount of money, SSW and MD will be fucked.

I think there is a tendency to tar people with the SSW brush and assume that all businessmen are a touch slow and perhaps lack the skills to control their money. Why?

I mean, does anyone honestly believe that someone who has made millions of pounds could be made to look stupid by people with little or no business acumen?

SSW has little business skills, as i understand it, and this is perhaps proven in using MD as an advisor. As many a rich person says, "I only listen to those with more money than myself, because i can learn from them." (or words to that effect).

The fact is, whether the new investor has shares or not, doesn't matter, MD and SSW will be playing with the big boys. They WILL be out smarted at every turn by someone who would certainly have more business sense than the entire board combined. Should anything below board be attempted, they would never get their filthy little mits and bank accounts on a rich man's money.

I know some very rich people, and one thing i know is, they are far from stupid and you won't get a single penny out of them without them having you by the bollocks first.

A self-made rich person sees every 'play' as motion towards reaching a goal. If they are getting nothing out of it, they don't play.

I think that any investment, whether SSW and MD are involved or not, will be their downfall. I'm convinced of it.

They may feel they've cunningly invited a rich man to play ball and to cheat to victory feeling it'll be a walk in the park. If they have they will be fucking steamrollered.

Think logically it's not always a dark future we face.
I agree 100% with this post :goodpost:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 20:45:11
Quote from: "neville w"
Is a manatee  a step up from man at C&A ?


i nominate this as the greatest ever post in tef history.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 21:57:59
Quote from: "Kinky Tom"
The board brought in Power in the first instance

Actually Mark Devlin did.
Quote
what happened there happened there - it's going to be a while before we find out I expect

We know what happened - read the minutes of the meeting at the Railway Museum meeting in September, we laid it all out there. Rubbished by the board at the time and been proven correct piece by piece ever since.

However, those points aside I do understand the weariness at "if the board say the "New Consortium" is good it must be bad". The fact is we don't know at this time whether there is a "New Consortium", if there is who it comprises of, whether they/he/she/it are actually capable in financial and business terms of digging the club out of the shit the current board have dumped us in or what their intentions are. Until we know all of the above, I'd suggest we're all best reserving judgement, either positive or negative until we actually know what we're looking at.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 22:09:43
Bollocks Paul, I've just seen one of The Horsemen riding past on his way to pick up a few mates for a gallop.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 22:44:37
:D


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 23:00:13
Maybe the new investor is a manatee ninja gymnast of great strength. I doubt it though, eb would have heard something.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: deltaincline on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 23:18:39
Quote from: "Barry Scott"
Just ploughed through the thread, from page 6, so could well be the same thread i couldn't be fucked to post in, but so what.

There seems to be a lot of bollocks in this thread, and a shit load of stupid as fuck speculation.

Things said such as (non verbatim), "If MD is still involved we will be fucked and the money will disappear...", "If the new investors own the majority of shares they can stop diamandis calling the shots..."

It's all idle shit. The fact that Diamandis and SSW are still involved matters not. If what we hear is true and we'll be getting a large amount of money, SSW and MD will be fucked.

I think there is a tendency to tar people with the SSW brush and assume that all businessmen are a touch slow and perhaps lack the skills to control their money. Why?

I mean, does anyone honestly believe that someone who has made millions of pounds could be made to look stupid by people with little or no business acumen?

SSW has little business skills, as i understand it, and this is perhaps proven in using MD as an advisor. As many a rich person says, "I only listen to those with more money than myself, because i can learn from them." (or words to that effect).

The fact is, whether the new investor has shares or not, doesn't matter, MD and SSW will be playing with the big boys. They WILL be out smarted at every turn by someone who would certainly have more business sense than the entire board combined. Should anything below board be attempted, they would never get their filthy little mits and bank accounts on a rich man's money.

I know some very rich people, and one thing i know is, they are far from stupid and you won't get a single penny out of them without them having you by the bollocks first.

A self-made rich person sees every 'play' as motion towards reaching a goal. If they are getting nothing out of it, they don't play.

I think that any investment, whether SSW and MD are involved or not, will be their downfall. I'm convinced of it.

They may feel they've cunningly invited a rich man to play ball and to cheat to victory feeling it'll be a walk in the park. If they have they will be fucking steamrollered.

Think logically it's not always a dark future we face.


Not sure I follow your 'self-made rich blokes will see through the likes of SSW or Diamandis' logic, Bazza :|

I can see where you're comming from, but I wouldn't bet against a serial con man with previous, managing to 'hook' another investor into his way of thinking.

Don't underestimate anyone :wink:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 5, 2007, 23:23:19
Quote from: "deltaincline"

Don't underestimate anyone :wink:


Especially if they're a manatee.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 6, 2007, 07:37:05
Quote from: "flammableBen"
Quote from: "deltaincline"

Don't underestimate anyone :wink:


Especially if they're a manatee.


I renounce your manatee religion.

Beluga are the way forward.

http://www.zen49395.zen.co.uk/pics/beluga.jpg


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Roddy_Radiation on Friday, July 6, 2007, 08:27:39
Quote

I renounce your manatee religion.

Beluga are the way forward.


We are Narwhal, super Narwhal, no one likes us, we don't care.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: neville w on Friday, July 6, 2007, 09:34:05
Quote from: "mexico red"
Quote from: "neville w"
Is a manatee  a step up from man at C&A ?


i nominate this as the greatest ever post in tef history.


Very kind, unless of course you're being ironic !


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: neville w on Friday, July 6, 2007, 12:40:53
Quote from: "RobertT"
Bollocks Paul, I've just seen one of The Horsemen riding past on his way to pick up a few mates for a gallop.


Mr M Diamandis - Horseman of the Acropolis.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: NW6Red on Saturday, July 7, 2007, 00:18:07
Quote from: "neville w"

Mr M Diamandis - Horseman of the Acropolis.


Now that is the best post in stfc message board history [said without a hint of irony]


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, July 7, 2007, 01:55:22
2 magnificent posts on one page. i am in awe. no irony intended.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: millom red on Saturday, July 7, 2007, 10:19:24
Quote from: "bennett"
it's that burke risdale there now millomski

I thank you sir...wasnae sure.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: neville w on Saturday, July 7, 2007, 16:00:55
Quote from: "mexico red"
2 magnificent posts on one page. i am in awe. no irony intended.


Mods - Any chance of a "thing under my name" now ?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, July 7, 2007, 16:55:13
I would change it...but mearly being a mod I can't.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: TheKingCY on Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 21:35:36
Quote from: "Fred Elliot"
Quote from: "TheKingCY"
The new investor is Dutch.  Mark my words.

You heard it here first.  Cant reveal any more just yet.


Are you related to Fatbury ?


Err no, but thanks for asking.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: newmarket red on Friday, July 13, 2007, 18:44:13
Could this be them http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/stfc_investors_gallery.shtml?3


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: glos_robin on Friday, July 13, 2007, 18:50:15
Look abit dodgy if you ask me...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/images/2007/07/13/stfc_investors1_353x470.jpg


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: newmarket red on Friday, July 13, 2007, 18:51:56
Quote from: "glos_robin"
Look abit dodgy if you ask me...
They look more greek then portugese :shock:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: herthab on Friday, July 13, 2007, 18:56:43
They could be greek, portugese, albanian, spainish, etc, etc, etc........

They don't look dodgy to me.

They could be anyone, agents, investors, used car salesman, etc, etc, etc.......

All this aimless speculation is tiresome..............


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: glos_robin on Friday, July 13, 2007, 18:56:50
The one one in the black coat looks a bit like Andronikou.......not his brother is it


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 13, 2007, 18:57:52
Quote from: "glos_robin"
Look abit dodgy if you ask me...


   I think it would be a bit presumptive to condemn these two as dodgy, just because they look dodgy.....but fuck it....I wouldn't buy a used car from them.

   Brazilians speak Portuguese, and there are shed loads of players looking for a way into Europe


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: glos_robin on Friday, July 13, 2007, 18:59:11
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Quote from: "glos_robin"
Look abit dodgy if you ask me...


   I think it would be a bit presumptive to condemn these two as dodgy, just because they look dodgy.....but fuck it....I wouldn't buy a used car from them.

   Brazilians speak Portuguese, and there are shed loads of players looking for a way into Europe


So are Brazilian version of that Nigerian consortium do you reckon Reg?  :wink:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: newmarket red on Friday, July 13, 2007, 19:00:31
Quote from: "herthab"
They could be greek, portugese, albanian, spainish, etc, etc, etc........

They don't look dodgy to me.

They could be anyone, agents, investors, used car salesman, etc, etc, etc.......

All this aimless speculation is tiresome..............
Diamandis body guards :)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Friday, July 13, 2007, 19:05:47
they run the local kebab van by the looks of it  :?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 13, 2007, 19:09:19
Quote from: "glos_robin"
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Quote from: "glos_robin"
Look abit dodgy if you ask me...


   I think it would be a bit presumptive to condemn these two as dodgy, just because they look dodgy.....but fuck it....I wouldn't buy a used car from them.

   Brazilians speak Portuguese, and there are shed loads of players looking for a way into Europe


So are Brazilian version of that Nigerian consortium do you reckon Reg?  :wink:


   I have to ask the question, of what might be in it for some dodgy chancers, clearly there are no assets left to strip from the carcass of STFC....but it seems from the Tevez scenario that  $ $ can be made from the quasi slave trade of dealing in 3rd world footballers.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: glos_robin on Friday, July 13, 2007, 19:17:17
Who knows who they are, but as Reg says I wouldn't buy second hand cars off them.......Loving Sturrocks trainers in the one picture as well he looks a right state.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/images/2007/07/13/stfc_investors2_353x470.jpg


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 13, 2007, 19:58:52
The investors, or agents, or agent investors.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Friday, July 13, 2007, 20:00:42
Quote from: "herthab"
They could be greek, portugese, albanian, spainish, etc, etc, etc........

They don't look dodgy to me.

They could be anyone, agents, investors, used car salesman, etc, etc, etc.......

All this aimless speculation is tiresome..............


what are you talking about, one of them is wearing a knee length mac, there is no dodgier coat available.  He is clearly a "Rolex" street salesman.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, July 13, 2007, 20:14:40
Anyone who finds aimless speculation tiresome is probably on the wrong website I would suggest 8)


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: glos_robin on Friday, July 13, 2007, 20:18:09
If you speculate enough then eventually you will be right.......just like Maverick  :D


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, July 13, 2007, 20:20:16
Am I the only one who's optimism has just plummeted? Who says appearances don't count.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: glos_robin on Friday, July 13, 2007, 20:22:21
If its them I'm going to be like Sturrock, base everything on first impressions........don't like the look of them so therefore if they take charge I don't want them, works for Sturrock and is rational I tell ya  :wink:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: sonic youth on Friday, July 13, 2007, 20:23:43
the mind boggles.

is anyone on here actually in touch with reality?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: glos_robin on Friday, July 13, 2007, 20:26:10
Quote from: "sonic youth"
the mind boggles.

is anyone on here actually in touch with reality?


Depends which reality you are referring to...  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 13, 2007, 20:26:42
Quote from: "sonic youth"
the mind boggles.

is anyone on here actually in touch with reality?


yes.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, July 14, 2007, 11:07:08
They don't look like manatees. They can't be trusted.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: A Gent Orange on Monday, July 16, 2007, 09:00:31
Sorry to go dangerously off the topic. And on a first post.  

Adver story - Portuguese strikers on trial, perhaps with Portuguese speaking agents... Nah, too obvious...

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/display.var.1546540.0.swindon_town_striker_light_no_worries_roberts.php


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 16, 2007, 09:19:22
Could we be on the verge of becomming a feeder club?  a way of funnelling through Portuguese players into the Uk market, where more money can be made (especially for agents).


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, July 16, 2007, 09:20:53
I'd fucking take that. Feeder club for Porto or Sporting Lisbon would be sweet :wink:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 16, 2007, 09:26:59
dream on.  More likely lower league Portuguese players who wouldn;t normally be spotted by UK clubs.  They won't hang around too long if any good and will be able to earn more euros over here for plying their trade at such a standard.  For examples of how this works, check out the club from Belgium that Arsenal "used".


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: pauld on Monday, July 16, 2007, 09:34:24
They're not investors, they're debt collectors. They were there to repossess Sturrock.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: lambourn red on Monday, July 16, 2007, 09:34:46
The longer the Board go on without announcing the investors the more wild accusations are going to be. If it keeps on at the rate it is at the moment they are going to be a paedophile ring smuggling kids into the UK by the end of the week and were directly involved in the McCann case

There seems to be a lot of people who think they know a lot and if you believed everything you read on these forums then you would not bother going to watch the town , the latest rumour on Thisis is Sturrock is on the verge of quitting as the new investors are going to be picking the side. Idle speculation and rumour mongering just fuels more bad feeling and infighting amongst fans.

I will be at Supermarine tonight with an open mind about the whole thing and supporting the town looking forward to seeing the new players. I would much rather the fans consortium take over but at the end of the day I want to support Swindon Town and if that means it is owned by a group of johnny foreigners then so be it. My point is until we know who they are then we are better off concentrating on the football side and not the politics


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 16, 2007, 10:08:10
this is the problem with deals doen in the shadows, they seem shady.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: tans on Monday, July 16, 2007, 10:16:18
Quote

The longer the Board go on without announcing the investors the more wild accusations are going to be. If it keeps on at the rate it is at the moment they are going to be a paedophile ring smuggling kids into the UK by the end of the week and were directly involved in the McCann case


I like it  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: lambourn red on Monday, July 16, 2007, 13:23:02
Just to add some fuel to the fire could this be our man

Corrado Correggi


 * Corrado Correggi is a Portuguese businessman, football agent and football club owner.

He owns Algarve United, which he founded in 2004. He founded the club in partnership with his Scottish Brother-in-law, John McGovern, who is also a successful football agent.

Correggi amassed his fortune making corks for fine wine.

Efforts to preserve the lynx's habitat could stand to gain from the football entrepreneur and businessman, who named his team, Algarve United, after the animal, and has promised to donate 10% of the club's gate receipts and membership fees to lynx conservation.

Just a hunch as some people are claiming that they are Portugese Football Agents with money :wink:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Luci on Monday, July 16, 2007, 13:25:28
Well if it is, he best not go donating any of our gates receipts to anywhere other than STFC.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, July 16, 2007, 13:26:49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louren%C3%A7o_da_Silva

could this be one of the trialists?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, July 16, 2007, 13:27:29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louren%C3%A7o_da_Silva

could this be one of the trialists?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Sippo on Monday, July 16, 2007, 13:31:01
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nani_%28footballer%29

Maybe his move to Man Ure hasn't been as smooth as hoped?!  :mrgreen:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, July 16, 2007, 15:04:30
Quote from: "Chubbs"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louren%C3%A7o_da_Silva

could this be one of the trialists?
Just signed a 2-year agreement elsewhere!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Monday, July 16, 2007, 17:04:27
Quote from: "ronnie21"
Quote from: "Chubbs"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louren%C3%A7o_da_Silva

could this be one of the trialists?
Just signed a 2-year agreement elsewhere!


added to the fact that I hope we dnt sign him as looking at that, he couldnt hit a cows arse with a banjo!


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, July 16, 2007, 17:11:57
Quote from: "SwindonTartanArmy"
Quote from: "ronnie21"
Quote from: "Chubbs"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louren%C3%A7o_da_Silva

could this be one of the trialists?
Just signed a 2-year agreement elsewhere!


added to the fact that I hope we dnt sign him as looking at that, he couldnt hit a cows arse with a banjo!


sounds like most of out strikers last season then


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Sippo on Monday, July 16, 2007, 20:55:04
I don't think I could hit a cows arse with a banjo...how would you make it stand still?  :|


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, July 16, 2007, 21:11:06
um 100% they were there with brevett and wills tonight


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Dazzza on Monday, July 16, 2007, 21:11:49
Quote from: "Bushey Boy"
um 100% they were there with brevett and wills tonight


Same chaps snapped on the BBC Bushey?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/images/2007/07/13/stfc_investors1_353x470.jpg


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, July 16, 2007, 21:12:48
havent seen that? where


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, July 16, 2007, 21:13:20
thats them


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Sippo on Monday, July 16, 2007, 21:16:22
I'm telling you....

http://businessceleb.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/icon_stelios.jpg


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, July 16, 2007, 21:18:04
had a red flat cap on....not a good disguise


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, July 16, 2007, 21:19:47
Quote from: "Bushey Boy"
um 100% they were there with brevett and wills tonight


Saw them too Bushey.


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: bashful01 on Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 14:43:41
You won't get an announcement on who they are yet .. I hear that the greek is in Cyprus burying pots of cash .......


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: Lumps on Monday, July 23, 2007, 13:00:43
This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but as RB has been brought in to be the "link" between the new board and PS, I assumed that he must have some prior link to the potential investors. If that's the case then you might be interested to know that RB's sister, who used to live up in Sheffield working as some sort of sports coach/trainer, has recently moved to Finland to live with her Finnish bloke.

Could there be a Scandanavian link in this investment do you think?


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: herthab on Monday, July 23, 2007, 13:01:59
Quote from: "Lumps"
This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but as RB has been brought in to be the "link" between the new board and PS, I assumed that he must have some prior link to the potential investors. If that's the case then you might be interested to know that RB's sister, who used to live up in Sheffield working as some sort of sports coach/trainer, has recently moved to Finland to live with her Finnish bloke.

Could there be a Scandanavian link in this investment do you think?


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: fatbury on Thursday, July 26, 2007, 07:24:54
Quote from: "Dazzza"
Quote from: "Bushey Boy"
um 100% they were there with brevett and wills tonight


Same chaps snapped on the BBC Bushey?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/images/2007/07/13/stfc_investors1_353x470.jpg


Someone on here believes the investors are the Castro brothers - ex athletes from Portugal - im afraid this doesnt look like them to me - click on the link to see them in their running days - its not them is it!

http://www.centenariosporting.com/modules/fckeditor/editor/get_document.php?id=1100


Title: Foreign Investor alledgedly
Post by: genf_stfc on Thursday, July 26, 2007, 09:09:40
Quote from: "Sippo"
I'm telling you....

http://businessceleb.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/icon_stelios.jpg



orange revolution. shudder...