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Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: dell boy on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 09:23:19
Illegal Immigrants Poem

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Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: herthab on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 09:33:55
Shit.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 13:02:05
Yey, racist stereotypes are funny. Oh wait.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Lumps on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 17:45:06
Are you genuinely as pig fucking ignorant as this post makes you look Dell or are you being "ironic"?

Either way, keep it to yourself next time eh. Or send it to the letters page in the Sun or the Mail where such things might be more appreciated.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: tans on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 17:50:11
I agrew ith Lumps there i have to say, and im a cunt.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: dell boy on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 18:11:08
Quote from: "Lumps"
Are you genuinely as pig fucking ignorant as this post makes you look Dell or are you being "ironic"?

Either way, keep it to yourself next time eh. Or send it to the letters page in the Sun or the Mail where such things might be more appreciated.

Isn't life so serious.

It was actually emailed to me by a Pakistani mate and he certainly isn't offended by it.

Oh well, I'll edit and delete the topic soon, just want you to see that response first.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: spacey on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 20:14:49
I must admit to being slightly disappointed that you've removed what I'm sure was a delightful poem. I feel that I've been robbed of the opportunity to call you a clueless moron with the IQ of some gravel.......aaahh well, I feel confident there will be opportunities in the future.

Just so long as your Pakistani mate found it funny, after all despite having never met him, he truly is the voice of everyone.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: dell boy on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 20:25:36
Quote from: "spacey"
I must admit to being slightly disappointed that you've removed what I'm sure was a delightful poem. I feel that I've been robbed of the opportunity to call you a clueless moron with the IQ of some gravel.......aaahh well, I feel confident there will be opportunities in the future.

Just so long as your Pakistani mate found it funny, after all despite having never met him, he truly is the voice of everyone.


Clueless I feel is a bit harsh, calling me a moron well if that makes your day Spacey, enjoy. Look how annoyed it has made me ooooooooooh. :roll:
Most Pakistanis have a very good sense of humour when you get to know them, and I am lucky to have many of them as friends, they will take the piss out of me and vice-versa; so many self-righteous people on here who slag off saying that it is offensive and racist, probably the same guys who would think immediately of moving house if one moved in next door to them.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: TalkTalk on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 21:26:20
Put the poem back up Dell.

I thought it was ironic and funny myself.

Oh and accurate.

As for the rest of you...FUCK OFF and stop being so fucking liberal. Some of us have a different opinion. Like being indigenous.

Wankers.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: TalkTalk on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 21:51:10
And to make a point (no apologies for the pun):

Quote
Increased immigration boosts knife crime and drink-driving, police chief says


Background: Immigration to the UK

Fred Attewill
Wednesday September 19, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

A chief constable today said an increase in immigration had left police struggling to deal with certain offences, including knife crime and drink-driving.

Julie Spence, of Cambridgeshire police, said immigrant communities, often from the new EU states, had "different standards" from the UK.

She issued an outspoken plea for more government funding to cope with the problems, posed by a sharp rise in immigration over recent years.

Between 2003 and 2004 the number of foreign nationals arrested in the county for drink-driving soared from 57 to 966, although it has since fallen by two-thirds.

Article continues
Mrs Spence also argued officers could take three times as long dealing with an immigrant offender, partly due to language difficulties.

She was backed by the chairman of the Cambridgeshire Police Federation, who added many officers' time was also taken up educating new arrivals about British culture and laws.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mrs Spence she attacked the government for starving the force of funds to deal with the immigration influx. "The profile of the county has changed dramatically and this simply isn't taken into account when government allocates funding," she said.

"We are now dealing with people from many different countries, speaking more than 90 different languages."

Mrs Spence said the new communities needed to adjust to British standards of behaviour.

"When they arrive they think they can do the same thing as in the country they have come from," she said.

"There were a lot of people who ... because they used to carry knives for protection, they think they can carry knives here.

"We have worked with the communities because they don't necessarily come to commit crime but they need to be told what you can and can't do.

"We can identify a significant rise in drink-drive, which was down to people thinking that what they did where they came from, they could do here."

She said immigrants' attitudes to drink-driving were probably what they were in the UK 20 years ago.

"While the economic benefits of growth are clear, we need to maintain the basic public services infrastructure which means increasing the number of officers we have."

Research from the East of England Development Agency showed that between 50,000 and 80,000 of the region's 2.8 million "economically active" people were migrant workers, and they contributed about £360m a year to the regional economy.

Many worked in the food-processing and agricultural sectors.

Mrs Spence also said "feuds" between rival foreign gangs could involve investigating officers travelling to other countries to interview witnesses.

"We recently had a murder and it was a Lithuanian on Lithuanian and it could easily have happened in Lithuania," she said.

"But it didn't, it happened in Wisbech, so one of my staff spent a lot of their time in Lithuania trying to get underneath what was actually happening with the crime and criminality, which brings costs that you wouldn't have had before, which means something else has to give."

Speaking later on Sky News, Mrs Spence said her force had been "short changed" by £15m over the past five years.

Last year alone Cambridgeshire police spent £1m on translation - leading to "difficult choices" on where to find the money.

"I think there's a London-centric, a metropolitan-centric view which says all the big issues happen in big cities, but we're not a sleepy rural county, if we ever were."

She said government statistics underestimated the growth in the county's population and the police force was being denied a "fair slice of the cake".

David Smith, the chairman of Cambridgeshire Police Federation, said officers were becoming so stretched they were spending less time on the beat preventing crime.

"Half of migrant workers in the east of England come to Cambridgeshire. That is obviously putting great pressure on resources," he said.

The shadow home secretary, David Davis, accused the government of a "shambolic approach to immigration".

"The government estimated that 13,000 people would come from accession countries. At least 700,000 have now arrived," he said.

"Labour's open door approach to immigration failed to consider, let alone cater for, the impact of this influx on housing and public services. Senior officers are now providing damning evidence of the strain Labour's shambolic approach has placed on the police and their ability to fight crime."

The Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman, Nick Clegg, said: "The way ministers fund local public services, including the police, makes it incredibly difficult for communities to cope with the rapid changes in population that can be caused by immigration.

"It takes years for the extra money to come through from the government for areas with high immigration, so it is no wonder the police can find themselves struggling."

The Home Office minister, Liam Byrne, said in a statement: "It's vital that we take the social impact of immigration into account when we make migration decisions.

"It's because we want to hear voices like Julie Spence's that I set up the Migration Impacts Forum, so public services can help shape our tough points system which is introduced in around 150 days' time."

A Home Office spokesman said spending on police services nationally had risen by nearly £5b from £6.2b to £11b since 1997.

A spokesman for Gordon Brown said: "The chief constable has given her views but I think it's important that we keep this in context.

"If you look at what's happening to total crime in Cambridgeshire, it's been on a clear downward trend."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2172376,00.html


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 22:31:35
if its about illegal immigrants.then surely only illegal immigrants could or should take offence?
and the fact that they are illegal immigrants gives them no right to be here to get offended anyway :?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 23:16:33
Quote from: "dell boy"
I cross ocean, poor and broke.
Take bus, see employment folk.
Nice man treat me good in there.
Say I need to see welfare.

Welfare say, "You come no more, we send cash right to your door."
Welfare cheques - they make you wealthy!
NHS - it keep you healthy!
By and by, I got plenty money.
Thanks to you, you British dummy!

Write to friends in motherland.
Tell them "come as fast as can."
They come in turbans and Ford trucks.
I buy big house with welfare bucks!

They come here, we live together.
More welfare cheques, it gets lots better!
Fourteen families, all moving in,
neighbour's patience wearing thin.

Finally, white guy moves away.
then I buy his house & say,
"Find more aliens for house to rent."
And in the yard I put up tent.
Everything is very very good,
and soon we own the neighbourhood.

We have hobby, it's called breeding.
Welfare pay for baby feeding.
Kids need dentist? Wife need pills?
We get free! We got no bills!

Britain crazy! They pay all year,
To keep welfare running here.
We think UK darn good place.
Too darn good for the white man race!
If they no like us, they can scram. Got lots of room in Pakistan!


about as funny as love thy neighbour. have i strayed into the sixties again?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: dell boy on Saturday, September 22, 2007, 23:30:21
Sonic why have you reposted?
Some on here took offence from the above, so I deleted my post ... and you are meant to be monitoring this site, well done.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 00:32:54
Quote from: "dell boy"
Sonic why have you reposted?
Some on here took offence from the above, so I deleted my post ... and you are meant to be monitoring this site, well done.


I don't think people were so much offended than just thought it was a bit shit and ignorant.

If people started deleting every post just because someone else thought it was shit we'd have a bit of an empty forum wouldn't we.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 07:56:11
well dell boy did get quite some stick for it which was no nessaccery really.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 08:08:29
Quote from: "arriba"
if its about illegal immigrants.then surely only illegal immigrants could or should take offence?
and the fact that they are illegal immigrants gives them no right to be here to get offended anyway :?


Thats dead on!

NMH


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 08:22:44
We should shoot them at the border like they do in the States  :|


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 08:31:55
Quote from: "Si Pie"
We should shoot them at the border like they do in the States  :|


you gotta catch me first!!!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 08:39:08
Polish boys, Polish boys
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do
When they come for you


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 08:51:31
Quote from: "Si Pie"
Polish boys, Polish boys
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do
When they come for you


drink vodka and hope for the best?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 08:56:11
Sounds like a plan. Can I pretend to be Polish and get in on this vodka action?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 10:58:45
Quote from: "dell boy"
Sonic why have you reposted?
Some on here took offence from the above, so I deleted my post ... and you are meant to be monitoring this site, well done.


because it makes you look like an idiot 8)


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Lumps on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 11:01:34
Oh fuck I hoped this had died a natural death.

I'm the one that started with the "pig-ignorant" lie so to explain further tot he brain dead:

The poems title refers to Illegal Immigrants but then goes on to bang on about immigrants milking the benefits system, which by definition they can't do because they're illegal and have no legal status in the UK.

The poem also makes it seem as if it's a peice of piss for non-EU citizens (ie from Pakistan to walk into the UK into a council house and start claiming a fortune in benefit. Well it isn't.

Talk Talks post relates specifically to new immigration from the new EU countries which is hardly relevant .

And fuck it I've got better things to do.... kick off your racist bitch fest if you like. I'm done with you. I've got drawn in to 15 page long threads attempting to point out the inconsistencies in bigoted peoples views on this site before and I'm not doing it again.

But if Talk Talk can find anyone in Swindon who is indigenous to these islands I'd be fascinated to meet them. There's a handfull of people in the far west of wales and the far north of Scotland who might have some claim to be descendents of the earliest population prior to invasion by oh let's see, the Angles, the Saxons, the Romans, the Normans..... but I'd guess there's few of them hanging around the Brunel centre.

Bye! Have a fun day.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 11:12:16
You wouldn't be saying that if you'd been ran over my a drunken turkish driver and then raped by a gang of Asians who'd given you aids and nicked your wallet. Before losing your job to a Polish cunt who's going to work harder for less money. Fucking foreigners.

Dey Turk errr jerrrbs!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: dell boy on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 11:20:34
Quote from: "sonic youth"
Quote from: "dell boy"
Sonic why have you reposted?
Some on here took offence from the above, so I deleted my post ... and you are meant to be monitoring this site, well done.


because it makes you look like an idiot 8)

 :roll: So much hate :soapy tit wank:


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 11:20:36
Quote from: "flammableBen"
You wouldn't be saying that if you'd been ran over my a drunken turkish driver and then raped by a gang of Asians who'd given you aids and nicked your wallet. Before losing your job to a Polish cunt who's going to work harder for less money. Fucking foreigners.

Dey Turk errr jerrrbs!


please delete this as i take great offence to it!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: herthab on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 11:28:27
What, the work harder bit?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 11:34:59
its a racial stereotype, this isn't true....delete it now!!!!


Title: Re: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: spacey on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 19:25:41
Quote from: "dell boy"
probably the same guys who would immediately think of moving home if one moved in next door to them


Yeah, I've got to put my hand up to that one. If I was faced with the horrific prospect of someone who wasn't English moving in next to me I would have to conduct a full review of my home security and immediately put my house up for sale. Now if you don't mind I must lie down as this whole sorry episode has left me feeling somewhat queasy.


Title: Re: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: tans on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 19:40:50
Quote from: "spacey"
Quote from: "dell boy"
probably the same guys who would immediately think of moving home if one moved in next door to them


Yeah, I've got to put my hand up to that one. If I was faced with the horrific prospect of someone who wasn't English moving in next to me I would have to conduct a full review of my home security and immediately put my house up for sale. Now if you don't mind I must lie down as this whole sorry episode has left me feeling somewhat queasy.


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

quality.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Bushey Boy on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 19:46:08
When I first moved out of home, I moved into a small 2 up and 2 down place.  Next door was empty but within a month 8 Brazilians had moved in. I had no issue with where they came from but the comings and goings, noise and worst of all smell eventually made me move out.

None of them worked and I wonder how they paid for food, electric, the vast amount of cars they had.  

The above is why I do not agree with every fucker who fancies our easy country to get be allowed to stay.  

The same applies to British citizens who do not work.  To get benefits the government should make people work in the local community, cleaning, helping in schools etc.  This would sort out the genuines overight.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 20:54:35
When I was down in Exeter I had some uni mates who were all sharing a house together. 5 while lads, who had never really lived independently before and had little in the way of responsibility apart from the occasional lecture, a bit of part time work and the occasional bit of weed dealing. Unsurprisingly they turned the house into a complete shit hole.

The noise, random amounts of shit stacking up in the back garden and the random times of them coming in and out soon forced the hard working immigrant family next door to move out.

Cunts.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Bushey Boy on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 21:07:47
Did they go home Ben?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, September 23, 2007, 21:10:38
Dunno. Probably. Poor people.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: red macca on Monday, September 24, 2007, 08:23:15
Quote from: "Bushey Boy"
When I first moved out of home, I moved into a small 2 up and 2 down place.  Next door was empty but within a month 8 Brazilians had moved in. I had no issue with where they came from but the comings and goings, noise and worst of all smell eventually made me move out.

None of them worked and I wonder how they paid for food, electric, the vast amount of cars they had.  

The above is why I do not agree with every fucker who fancies our easy country to get be allowed to stay.  

The same applies to British citizens who do not work.  To get benefits the government should make people work in the local community, cleaning, helping in schools etc.  This would sort out the genuines overight.
As close to the truth as anyone has said in this thread.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, September 24, 2007, 09:04:57
Quote from: "flammableBen"


Dey Turk errr jerrrbs!


This is clearly the best point in this thread

Dey Turk errr jerrrbs!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Gazza's Fat Mate on Monday, September 24, 2007, 12:00:29
I 'll keep my views to myself I think. Those that know me best will know my views on this subjecta nd I can't be arsed to get into a internet argument!

If any one would like a leaflet on this subject and other literture on this subject please pm and I'll pop some info in the post. Please beawre that it is likley to be offisnsvie to anyone who reads the gurdian or who votes left!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Lumps on Monday, September 24, 2007, 12:44:49
God here we go again.

When are people going to learn that even if you post something in all innocence just for a laugh on here it's not long before one of our friendly neighbourhood Nazi's pops up to promote their pathetic like bunch of bone head mates.

Oh and Gaz, if you really are such a patriotic nationalist could you at least try to learn the fucking language. At the moment I think you'd struggle to pass the new citizen test, so thank aren't you lucky you were born here.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, September 24, 2007, 12:59:16
Quote from: "Bushey Boy"
Did they go home Ben?


nah we moved to swindon


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: red macca on Monday, September 24, 2007, 14:05:33
Quote from: "Lumps"
God here we go again.

When are people going to learn that even if you post something in all innocence just for a laugh on here it's not long before one of our friendly neighbourhood Nazi's pops up to promote their pathetic like bunch of bone head mates.

Oh and Gaz, if you really are such a patriotic nationalist could you at least try to learn the fucking language. At the moment I think you'd struggle to pass the new citizen test, so thank aren't you lucky you were born here.
self righteous fucker aint you


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: axs on Monday, September 24, 2007, 14:09:01
*aren't you

 :wink:


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Miss Angry on Monday, September 24, 2007, 14:18:24
Quote from: "red macca"
Quote from: "Lumps"
God here we go again.

When are people going to learn that even if you post something in all innocence just for a laugh on here it's not long before one of our friendly neighbourhood Nazi's pops up to promote their pathetic like bunch of bone head mates.

Oh and Gaz, if you really are such a patriotic nationalist could you at least try to learn the fucking language. At the moment I think you'd struggle to pass the new citizen test, so thank aren't you lucky you were born here.
self righteous fucker aint you


You just said what i was trying to put in a polite way for the past 10 mins  :wink:


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, September 24, 2007, 15:16:08
I love this website.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: tans on Monday, September 24, 2007, 15:22:07
Quote

I love this website.


It has it all, football, political debates and porn. Ace.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: herthab on Monday, September 24, 2007, 15:29:05
Sandal wearing, long haired, liberal cunts to the left of me...

Fascist, knuckle-dragging, bigoted twats to the right of me.........

All as blinkered as each other.........


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Dazzza on Monday, September 24, 2007, 16:50:14
Quote from: "herthab"
Sandal wearing, long haired, liberal cunts to the left of me...

Fascist, knuckle-dragging, bigoted twats to the right of me.........



Is that a deliberate Stealers Wheel reference in there herthab?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: herthab on Monday, September 24, 2007, 16:52:26
Quote from: "Dazzza"
Quote from: "herthab"
Sandal wearing, long haired, liberal cunts to the left of me...

Fascist, knuckle-dragging, bigoted twats to the right of me.........



Is that a deliberate Stealers Wheel reference in there herthab?



Not to start with. Although now all I want to do is cut someones ear off and dose them in petrol.

(Before being filled full of holes by Tim Roth)


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Lumps on Monday, September 24, 2007, 18:11:44
Quote from: "red macca"
self righteous fucker aint you


What's self righteous about bemoaning the fact that any debate on race on here makes BNP members think it might be a ripe recruiting ground for them?

It's just a bit sad don't you think?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: red macca on Monday, September 24, 2007, 18:15:30
Could possibly be sad yes but if its what they believe leave them to it they are not affecting you are they.

I actually think part of dells post is very true does that make me a bigot? a racist etc


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: herthab on Monday, September 24, 2007, 18:24:31
Quote from: "red macca"
Could possibly be sad yes but if its what they believe leave them to it they are not affecting you are they.

I actually think part of dells post is very true does that make me a bigot? a racist etc



Probably.

Do you start sentences by saying, 'I'm not a racist, but........'?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: red macca on Monday, September 24, 2007, 18:26:39
No i usually start it by saying

"If Enoch Powell was still alive"


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: herthab on Monday, September 24, 2007, 18:43:18
Good old Enoch.

Loved by Racists, loathed by liberals and misquoted by all.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: spacey on Monday, September 24, 2007, 18:50:50
Quote from: "red macca"


I actually think part of dells post is very true


Which bit? is it the bit about aliens renting houses? I believe that too. I've seen UFO's. I saw a ghost castle on a hill on Saturday, Yeovil said it was trees but he was drunk.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Lumps on Monday, September 24, 2007, 18:52:18
Quote from: "red macca"
Could possibly be sad yes but if its what they believe leave them to it they are not affecting you are they.

I actually think part of dells post is very true does that make me a bigot? a racist etc


Can you give me an idea of what bits you think are "very true"?

I've just read it back again and I, whilst I can appreciate that some people have different opinions about immigration to me, I can't believe that anyone that can string two words together can find anything even bordering on the factual in that "poem".

Is it the authentic asian dialect it's written in that you find so convincing? The frankly laughable implication that illegal immigrants can claim benefits? The even more laughable implication that it's possible to get rich and buy up the whole neighbourhood on benefits payments? The suggestion that immigration into the UK from Pakistan is as easy as just pitching up at Heathrow?

I can't see it so I'd love to be enlightened by a more free thinking individual.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: red macca on Monday, September 24, 2007, 18:54:10
I cross ocean, poor and broke.
Take bus, see employment folk.
Nice man treat me good in there.
Say I need to see welfare.

That bit

Write to friends in motherland.
Tell them "come as fast as can."
They come in turbans and Ford trucks.
I buy big house with welfare bucks!

And that bit i agree with. Ok the turban bit is over the top but the rest is true isn't. Thats not racism its fact


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: red macca on Monday, September 24, 2007, 18:56:38
Quote from: "Lumps"
Quote from: "red macca"
Could possibly be sad yes but if its what they believe leave them to it they are not affecting you are they.

I actually think part of dells post is very true does that make me a bigot? a racist etc


Can you give me an idea of what bits you think are "very true"?

I've just read it back again and I, whilst I can appreciate that some people have different opinions about immigration to me, I can't believe that anyone that can string two words together can find anything even bordering on the factual in that "poem".

Is it the authentic asian dialect it's written in that you find so convincing? The frankly laughable implication that illegal immigrants can claim benefits? The even more laughable implication that it's possible to get rich and buy up the whole neighbourhood on benefits payments? The suggestion that immigration into the UK from Pakistan is as easy as just pitching up at Heathrow?

I can't see it so I'd love to be enlightened by a more free thinking individual.
You are fucking deluded mate the amount of fake passports and fake i.d that is passed around immigrants is scary,Fake marriages are happening everyday that is fraud and in my eyes that is still a illegal immigrant


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, September 24, 2007, 20:42:41
Quote from: "Lumps"
Quote from: "red macca"
self righteous fucker aint you


What's self righteous about bemoaning the fact that any debate on race on here makes BNP members think it might be a ripe recruiting ground for them?

It's just a bit sad don't you think?


I know of one BNP member on here, are they an illigal political group or infact a legal one? Thats right they are a party that represent a proportion of british voters.  For the record I am a conservative.

Then you say that illigal immigrants do not claim benefits.  Recently I have been asked to remove a family from a house who have no right to stay in this country, however keep going for an appeal in the hope there baby is born prematurely in order for them to have the legal right to stay here as there legal gaudian.  This is exactly what they have told me (they are claiming a benefit while there appeal goes through)

It stinks however you want to look at it.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 00:59:55
another thing to throw into the debate.

allegedly,polish immigrants are entitled to claim child benefit for their children that live in poland! i kid you not.
currently us brits apparantly have no way of counting the kids they have and if they are telling porkies or not.

madness, pure madness!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 01:30:55
this thread makes me want to give up.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 03:06:05
This thread makes me want to throw up on peoples faces.

How can so many of you be so ignorant?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: sonic youth on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 05:46:44
Quote from: "mexico red"
this thread makes me want to give up.


indeed.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Bushey Boy on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 07:58:54
I think we should all give up making comments on this, me included, just giving an opinion in this thread, thats what a forum is for.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: red macca on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 08:25:29
Mex and ben why do you want to give up ?

Nothing i have said is racist and i understand that without foreign influence this country would collapse.The nhs service for example would collapse without the help of foreigners.What im trying to say is that lumps is making out that their is no chance of illegal immigrants getting in the country and claiming benfits which is wrong and we all know it is.

If thats ignorance then alot of you should look at yourself aswell because believe me alot of you say far worse than me posting the truth.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: sonic youth on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 08:48:31
hark at thee, o' bastion of truth!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: red macca on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 08:50:51
Well it fucks me off sonic you cant have a opinion without people calling you ignorant and all that bollocks.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 10:12:21
my thoughts were not directed at you red macca. the underlying xenophobia in this thread depresses me. call me an old hippy but just because you were born in a different country why does that make you inferior? i just dont comprehend it. i have travelled all over the world and to be perfectly honest the least welcome and unfriendly place is here, england, my homeland. I love England, but why we have this fucking attitude that we are better than everyone is beyond me. People all over the world just want a better life. they want to work, pay the bills look after their kids. They want to get by. does it really fucking matter what country you come from or the colour of your skin. we all want the same thing in the end.

go to the costa del sol in spain. there are currently 300,000 english ex patriots living there. What do they do? they create little english ghettos, where you can get a full english breakfast, they dont learn spanish, they dont mix with the locals. do we ever hear about that? does this sound familiar?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Colin Todd on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 10:52:22
To some extent I agree with both sides of this arguement if that is possible.  I dont hate foreigners just for being foreign (apart from the french but I dont think anyone can agrue with that really) and I dont mind them coming here to work, to earn money and make a better life for themselves and their families.

However the issue i have is that we have a legion of British scumbags who sit on the dole doing fuck all other than breed and scrounge.  In turn hundreds of thousands of eastern europeans come over and do mainly shitty low paid manual jobs.  Does anybody else see the connection between these 2 things?  British dossers should be forced to work, or at least given the incentive, ie cut benefits to do these jobs. Employers shold be given tax breaks if they take long term unemployed into long term employment.  That way we wouldnt need hundrends of thousands of poles and slovakians to prop up the arse end of our economy, and would save the country millions in benefit payments.

Of course expecting a labour govenment to do anything that will upset a group of people who are almost certain to vote labour if they vote at all isnt very fucking likley is it?

Given the choice of living next to a couple of hard working poles or British dole scroungers I know which I'd pick.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Gazza's Fat Mate on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 11:12:43
I can't be arsed to aruge the this subject as it is a never ending argument. I would like to state that my comment about leaflets was a joke. However why is it that the left side of this arument think that everyone on the right or centre of this arugemnt is an idoit? I have a highly paid job, I own my own house, I am lincesed by varous bodies to practice my profession (admitly I can't spell) but because I have rightwing views I am  considered stuipd! why is this?

Also the left always go on about everyone being the same and treat everyone equal, so why don't you treat people with different views to you with the same respect. Interesting to note that all the comments to the right  have been about the subject where as the left comments just call people stupid etc!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 11:19:36
Quote from: "Gazza's Fat Mate"
I can't be arsed to aruge the this subject as it is a never ending argument. I would like to state that my comment about leaflets was a joke. However why is it that the left side of this arument think that everyone on the right or centre of this arugemnt is an idoit? I have a highly paid job, I own my own house, I am lincesed by varous bodies to practice my profession (admitly I can't spell) but because I have rightwing views I am  considered stuipd! why is this?

Also the left always go on about everyone being the same and treat everyone equal, so why don't you treat people with different views to you with the same respect. Interesting to note that all the comments to the right  have been about the subject where as the left comments just call people stupid etc!


Can't really argue with that. Good point well made Gazza.

I honestly could not give a flying fuck about this subject, but if i was an impressionable young man interested in politics i would be leaning towards the right because the people arguing the points are less self-righteous and self-important.

I really fucking hate that attitude.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Bushey Boy on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 11:32:56
Colin Todd and Gazza - fucking good points all made!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 12:51:25
at what point was my post self-righteous? and at what point did i call anyone stupid? i said i dont understand your viewpoint, i cant comprehend it, i didnt say anyone was stupid.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: spacey on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 13:08:10
Call it self righteous, call it what you want, but the fact is we've had these threads banging around the forums for ages now. It's all very well people saying 'but we're just debating the issue' but if you look back through the forum you'll find comments like this...

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send her back to her own fucking country


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They moan that they cant settle in to our society then wear all that shit which prevents them from settling in anyway,thats their decision not ours


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Fuck em , if they cant accept OUR country and OUR standards then i suggest that they pack up and return to the country that they love so much , oops silly me i forgot they dont get fucking handouts and assistance over there do they .


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Well said. They are all cunts.


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also how many terrorists could be walking the streets wearing a veil?sounds stupid i know but cannot say it is not a possibility


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If you dont like OUR country then go home or back to where your true allegiance lies. Rant over (for now)


Those are all quotes taken from here on one of our brilliant debates about immigration. So yeah, the people on the right are being really fluffy and cuddly in their approach to the issue. The people on the left are just fucking fed up.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Bushey Boy on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 13:34:58
Phew, no spelling mistakes I am in the clear! Why dont we just delete all threads about these subjects as its a football site.  Can we also get rid of Cricket, boardroom and anything apart from match day or player parts?! That would solve it


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Luci on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 13:47:56
Keep cricket and add a Grand Prix section.   :D


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Bushey Boy on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 13:50:00
'Other Sports'


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Luci on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 13:51:36
Thats a fair call.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 15:06:39
If we start deleting topics because they're not about football and people argue then I'm leaving.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 15:11:24
i like the serious debate that this forum is capable of at times.
keep it up i say


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 15:16:19
I only come on here for the random bollocks anyway. The football can be a bit tedious at times.

People have started to take things far to seriously and the random bollocks and crazy arguments have suffered.

Just because I think you're an ignorant racist who doesn't know the difference between Illegal immigrants, legal immigrants and asylum seekers doesn't mean I wouldn't want to have a pint with you and have a laugh.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 15:24:03
i dont think i'm any of those things to be honest.


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: sonic youth on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 15:26:02
nah you're just a cunt


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 15:26:49
i'll take that 8)


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 25, 2007, 15:37:19
and party?


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: Gazza's Fat Mate on Wednesday, September 26, 2007, 11:42:29
Your all cunts wheather you are black, brown, or that funny spary on tan colour. But untill I become suprem lord and master there is not much I can do about it and lets be honest what ever happens there will always been a section of people who are unhappy or unfairly treated because that's life and it's cunt!


Title: Illegal Immigrants Poem
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, September 26, 2007, 15:37:34
get out of my country all of you - it's mine (I bought it off Ebay - or was that Belgium?)