StfcRusty
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« Reply #705 on: Sunday, June 4, 2017, 19:48:04 » |
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Seriously, do we really have so many soft liberal bastards in these parts 😂. Macdonald, he's a fucking Marxist if ever their was one, of course Corbyn has his hand in he communist camp. And you accuse me of talking bollocks. In light of the terrorist attacks you should be ashamed to associate with 'friend of the terrorist' Corbyn, and yes he absolutely did say that himself. Jesus wept, this country is going down the shitter thanks to these cunty 'tolerant' liberals. Make no mistake, labour are not the Labour Party anymore.
Are you Jim Davidson?
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Sir Cliff Pipehard
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« Reply #707 on: Sunday, June 4, 2017, 21:19:52 » |
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This is former Met Police Inspector Peter Kirkham pulling no punches with his views on this government and their attitude towards policing.
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skiptotheLouMacari
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« Reply #708 on: Sunday, June 4, 2017, 21:33:59 » |
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Nail. Head. Hit.
Yes, but even with the best intelligence services In the world we do not know what Abdul Mohammed and Tariq sitting round the coffee table are thinking or plotting. Interment and isolation for hate preachers sympathisers returning jihdists if born in UK or instant deportation of not. The Mosques that are known radicalisation hot spots need shutting down until the Islamic community understands this can't go on.
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« Reply #709 on: Sunday, June 4, 2017, 21:44:12 » |
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The Mosques that are known radicalisation hot spots need shutting down until the Islamic community understands this can't go on.
That'll just force them underground. Best to leave them up and running where they can be monitored.
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Sir Cliff Pipehard
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« Reply #710 on: Sunday, June 4, 2017, 21:47:16 » |
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The problem is you couldn't sit down and discuss it with ISIS, there is no negotiating with them and I'm not sure why Corbyn thinks he could. The only question is whether we continue to be involved in the military intervention against them or leave others to it. Even if we stayed away we are a Western country thus everything they despise so would always be a target regardless. Iraq was Labours 'foreign policy' so don't see them any more equipped either.
I think you're confusing Corbyn with Owen Smith https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/17/isis-should-get-round-the-table-with-uk-middle-east-says-owen-smith-labour?CMP=share_btn_linkAssad has been fighting Isis yet we've bombed him, so not sure what our position is to be honest. Iraq was "New" Labour's foreign policy,which Corbyn vehemently opposed.
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« Reply #711 on: Sunday, June 4, 2017, 22:05:57 » |
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Yes, but even with the best intelligence services In the world we do not know what Abdul Mohammed and Tariq sitting round the coffee table are thinking or plotting.
Dave and Kev, or worse still nobody at all, are hardly going to figure it out though.
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« Reply #712 on: Sunday, June 4, 2017, 22:17:15 » |
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Nah Corbyn has been down a similar road saying we can talk to them through the diplomatic back channels. It was one of the things that caused the fall out with Hilary Benn when he Benn pretty much said it was nonsense.
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skiptotheLouMacari
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« Reply #714 on: Monday, June 5, 2017, 06:17:55 » |
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That'll just force them underground.
Best to leave them up and running where they can be monitored.
Understood, however we're monitoring them now and still cannot prevent all attacks. The only deterrent is isolated internment, don't allow the satisfaction of death and martyrdom, no questions asked support those not originally from UK and the families.
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« Reply #715 on: Monday, June 5, 2017, 07:35:59 » |
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Of course, when the intelligence services are monitoring known terrorist fighters, it might also help if the government didn't decide to lift all travel restrictions on them to enable to go back to their country of origin to fight in a revolution that happened to be aligned to our foreign policy objectives at the time. As was the case with the Manchester bomber and his family, members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, an al-Qaida allied Islamist group that were also vehemently anti-Gaddafi. And so were allowed to return to Libya to fight against Gaddafi. Home Secretary at the time? Theresa May https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/24/bombers-father-fought-against-gaddafi-regime-with-terrorist-groupThat would be the same Theresa May who is currently suppressing publication of the government report on terrorist funding and support in this country because it shows there is a huge influx of funding and support from Saudi Wahabbi extremists. Which might be embarrassing when she was just over there a few weeks ago, flogging them billions worth of arms. Say what you like about Corbyn being soft on terrorists, at least he's not actively enabling them.
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« Reply #716 on: Monday, June 5, 2017, 08:30:08 » |
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Understood, however we're monitoring them now and still cannot prevent all attacks. The only deterrent is isolated internment, don't allow the satisfaction of death and martyrdom, no questions asked support those not originally from UK and the families.
And interment isn't going to create martyrs and act as a recruiting aid?
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« Reply #717 on: Monday, June 5, 2017, 08:47:09 » |
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And interment isn't going to create martyrs and act as a recruiting aid?
Well they're certainly not going to radicalise anymore naive impressionable or law abiding Muslims
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Sir Cliff Pipehard
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« Reply #718 on: Monday, June 5, 2017, 08:50:09 » |
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Of course, when the intelligence services are monitoring known terrorist fighters, it might also help if the government didn't decide to lift all travel restrictions on them to enable to go back to their country of origin to fight in a revolution that happened to be aligned to our foreign policy objectives at the time. As was the case with the Manchester bomber and his family, members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, an al-Qaida allied Islamist group that were also vehemently anti-Gaddafi. And so were allowed to return to Libya to fight against Gaddafi. Home Secretary at the time? Theresa May https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/24/bombers-father-fought-against-gaddafi-regime-with-terrorist-groupThat would be the same Theresa May who is currently suppressing publication of the government report on terrorist funding and support in this country because it shows there is a huge influx of funding and support from Saudi Wahabbi extremists. Which might be embarrassing when she was just over there a few weeks ago, flogging them billions worth of arms. Say what you like about Corbyn being soft on terrorists, at least he's not actively enabling them. Fantastic post,says it all really .
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« Reply #719 on: Monday, June 5, 2017, 08:56:39 » |
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Well they're certainly not going to radicalise anymore naive impressionable or law abiding Muslims
Internment did precisely that when used in N Ireland - "the best recruiting sergeant the IRA ever had"
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