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http://yellowsforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3143

who gives a fuck

You could try reading it?

Or at least, read The Guardian article at the bottom, which I saw the other day and made me horrendously angry.

In short, there are plenty within the police who would like nothing more than it to all kick off a well as some of the more moronic fans, and they're not adverse to helping it along its way. Anyone who's been to a few away games will know the feeling...It's not all Police, just as it's not all football fans who get involved in the violence, but it's difficult deny some love it.

It speaks volumes that the majority of the recent 'trouble' talk stems from conversations started on that forum.

Should we report the thread to someone? Have STFC a dedicated copper?

Please stop.

Oakleigh, I can only imagine you've not read the thread, as it simply isn't discussing violence or anything that would need to be reported to anyone . It's simply informing fans of their rights in regards to policing at football grounds, and warning that not every member of the Police will be absolutely dedicated to keeping the peace. It's not unlike much of what the Football Supporter's Federation do with regards to Section 60 Policing.

British transport police have a horrendous reputation for being a bunch of scum bags the fact that they are looking at giving them guns is fucking horrendous. 

Ok, very unfair to paint one and  all as scumbags but there is a real element amongst them that does thrive on shall we just call it action.  To be honest you can almost understand that some of these meat heads sign-up, are fully trained and spend most of their day showing old women and people like me where platform 3 is.  Slight touch of action and you can understand why they are prone to overreact or even worse actively encourage or look for trouble.

 Personally, I'm all for the police giving the chav scum, that defile our clubs a bit a kicking, long may it continue.

It all comes from our local police being complete fuckwits in the early part of last season. There was virtually no police presence at our early matches, then someone brought a decent number of hardmen (can't remember who, Aldershot maybe) and there was no-one there to deal with it.

Their response was not the common sense approach of actually researching and predicting away followings, potential trouble, the need for segregation and escorts. No, they just sent half the constabulary down to the next couple of games, against sides who brought about 200 placid fans with them. The police acted like complete dicks; searching, taking names and addresses, roughing up completely innocent home fans who were clearly not wanting to do anything but watch football.

So now some of our fans are keen to know their rights in that respect.

So you got run by Aldershit then?

fair enough

what?

Did Pox get run by Aldershit?

so you're turning a thread on an oxford forum about their rights as football fans re. the police into a 'haha they got run by aldershOt' mockery?

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The 2nd poster is a fucking mong for stating that Hardon Wick is NEAR Swindon.  With that level of intelligence they deserve to have the shit kicked out of them by the police.

Perhaps they haven't been to Swindon since 1980. Ask Reg, proper north Swindon stops at Moredon :)

According to reg ye olde Swinedon stops at old mrs miggins pig farm at the bottom of ye olde vic hille

I'm no hardman, even on the keyboard, but it is very much part of the matchday experience to see a win on the pitch and Wiltshire's finest wading into the yellow and blue on the Stratton Bank - don't really care whether the Pox know their rights or not.

That thread on the Pox board should be re-titled 'how can we avoid getting done for all the trouble we want to cause in Swindon'.

I guess the penny is dropping that its been 11 years since they were last at the CG, and the Policing of football games has changed.

I got it wrong, it was Port Vale, not Aldershot.


Did you even read the thread? Its not about that at all, and all you need to do is read the first paragraph of the first post to realise that.

Corrected it for you.

This thread seems to have gone off on a bit of a tangent from what the actual O*ford thread is about. It seems to me, at least from the first post and brief scan, they're raising issues over how the police have become a bit shit and in some cases heavy handed (brutal even) and seeming to sometimes incite the crowd. I think they're very valid points (being anti-police state) and as fans we should be aware of the pigs and way they treat fans.

Maybe Swindon and the Pox should join forces and completely and utterly fuck the police over. I know I'm getting tooled up like a murderer.

Edit:Worth a read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/03/football-fan-attacked

Yeah, yeah, bullshit!

Im all for supporters knowing their rights, but even I cant give you any sympathy, when a lot of the posts on that board are looking forward to kicking off.

I do agree that the Police's use of Horses and dogs is controversial. Basically a way of causing people serious injury without assaulting people themselves. And BTP do HATE football fans, no exxageration. Best to avoid if you can.

You're normally pretty rational, Spencer. Engage your brain and read the thread again, at least the first post. It's not about that.

Barry, woolster and Kinky Tom have got it.

Obviously dont want to see anyone get hancuffed and mauled by dogs, but youve got to face some facts, youve got too many fans spouting about kicking off in Swindon on that website, its going to cause your fans problems with the Police on the day. You will get some of your rights infringed, certainly in terms of movement in Swindon. Just looks a bit pathetic to be moaning about it now. Its different if it just stays on Hooligan websites.

I think you're talking at crossed purposes.  OF (& Barry, Woolster etc.) are absolutely right.  The opening post of the thread was all about the potential for a police over-reaction...and even the possibility of police incitement to violence.

But I think Spence is trying (badly!) to make the more general point that the general tenor of that forum does seem quite aggressive...when it comes to matters concerning ourselves, at least.  Violence/trouble seems to be of more interest than the game of football itself.  In my humble view, there appear to be far too many folk in Oxford who are far too hung up on us.

I love a local derby like the rest of us...but I'll never lose sight of the fact that Oxford fans, like us, are football fans who have chosen the local side over following a Prem side from the armchair.  We have more in common than many would like to admit.  (Would you rather spend a couple of hours talking in a pub with an Oxford fan or a Man U/Chelsea fan?  Answer the question honestly.)

exactly how i feel ardiles

But it's largely keyboard warriors talking their usual shite.  We've got a few on here but there's either not as many or they're not as vocal.

Id rather talk to a Man U/Chelsea fan if they were a proper fan who went to away games.

How charmingly parochial (who outside of Swindon gives a feck whether it's part of or just near Swindon?), not to mention ironic (it's HaYdon Wick (you fucking mong?)).

For the record, I know the first two posters personally. "Ricky Otto" was one of many Ox fans who suffered massively over the top policing last season and isn't prepared to curl up and take it anymore. Gramps is an equally intelligent guy who is in no way a trouble maker.

The thread, as has been correctly identified by most on here, was a response to the illegal activity carried out by TVP at home to Northampton last year. More details available if you want them.  :nod:

You're probably right. There is NO WAY that anyone actually planning violence would be doing it on a public forum that we know is regularly watched by TVP.

There is another thread on that forum suggesting Ox fans stay Saturday night and take over a Swindon Travelodge. Now that's either plain stupid, or a not very convincing diversionary tactic of some sort.

Pox or not, the fans have a point...

Dont tar all football fans with the same brush and likewise for the Plod.

There are total wankers on both side of the fence.

I love the Police Dog displays at village fetes when they chase a bloke in a field and pull him down....totally different to the ones i have seen in action. Bite everyone!

Personally I wouldn't want to talk to any of them for long.....I've only ever met one O*ford fan, and he was a complete twat.

Spence is right....scum have brought this on themselves, with their neanderthal support in this day and age. I'd imagine the club itself has encouraged TVP to clamp down, as these goons will just drive away decent supporters.

The bottom line is that in a game like the Scum the fans will try to get to each other and the Police will try and stop them. if it does kick off then the Police will arrest people on the periphery hoping that by the time they have to do some proper work it will have died down. Its always been like this. Its nothing new. Rightly or wrongly its what happens.

As for dogs and horses when we beat the Scummers in the smokebomb game they tried a new tactic. The Scummers came steaming down Shrivvy Road, Town were mobbed up on the Magic and the police drove cars into the mobs. It worked a treat. Never seeen that before or since.

 :D So on the basis of meeting ONE (that's one, friends) Oxford fan, uncle Reg is prepared to extend his dislike to every single one of them. What's that about "neanderthals" Reg? I'd talk to any Swindon fan who wasn't intending to hit me, but then I'm normal.

Reg & Spence - the pair heckling from the balcony in the Muppet Show?

I want to be Beaker!

How do you know you're normal? It's not for you to say, freak.

That Oxford forum seems completely un interested in the fact that they support a football club.  It's like reading some sort of WWE forum or watching Danny Dyer.  I think having read a fair few threads I can see why some would give the one around policing little credence, and yes, I know we have our own fair share, but the concentration seems much lower here.

"Yellows" is the replacement forum for "thisisunited", with mostly the same posters. If you want a comparison, look at the "thisisswindontown" forum. With some notable exceptions, this forum is clearly for the more thoughtful, less excitable Swindon fan.

I'm just like everyone else in the remedial centre where I live, QED I am "normal".

RE: thisis     

Aha, that explains a lot.  We could arrange for them all to meet up at that concrete place on the A420 and cement them all in together, then they'll be as hard as they prattle on about....hard, get it....I'll get my coat.  Fucking Neville, who ever let Mr Puntastic on here to bring our IQ's down so low...love you Nev.

Are there any forums for "thoughtful less excitable"" Oxford fans? I've not found one yet.

There's "Rageonline" (Google it). Very low traffic though.

Going back years, I used to post on the Rivals forum.....the STFC site was MyOnlySwindon....can't remember the name of the Scum site, but there was some good lads on there, who got the need for humour in supporting a lower league side, and could banter on a range of subjects.  Their problem was a mong called Oxoman, who used to troll other clubs sites giving it the big hoolie thing, and pissing eveybody off.

Sadly Rivals just failed as a commercial proposition.

It's still going minnow in a slightly different location, some of the old names still there...

 Sometimes look at that site, but it's not the same....MOS was the first thing that I stumbled across when getting onto the net for the first time.

 Guess about 10/11 years ago....quite exciting really.....you think what can I do with this new toy....look up STFC related stuff, and stumble on the world of Leroy and Riddel. :)

I used to pester my dad to let me go to his work to read MOS and the fanny forum (no net at home). The fanny forum reviews of their days out were pure genius. Class.

The Pox will never have any class at anything. That message board is a damning indictment.

Er, Thanks ?

I would call apparently idolising a fascist sympathiser to be a damning indictment of something, probably your lack of understanding of history. Even if you don't take Di Canio's sympathies too seriously, the outstretched arm in fascist salute is an insult to the memory of many people who suffered under tyranny.

See? If you want to get all soap boxy I can play too.

There are approximately 3,000 threads on "Yellows". How many have you spotted that refer to hooliganism, Spence? There are also 1,000 members. How many actually post pro-hoolie comments? Storm in your tea cup.

Clearly though it has to be taken into the context of it's associated meaning to the Lazio supporters specifically as well as of those present in the crowd at the time. I doubt we'll be seeing Alessandra Mussolini sitting in the Town End any time soon, not with tickets at £19 anyway!!

I believe PDC will be, if nothing else, an upstanding professional while representing my beloved town.

 :pint:

So the debate is freedom of political expression vs conspiracy to commit violent disorder?

Not at all, and I'm surprised you managed to read that into it.

It's about what might, or might not, be considered a "damning indictment". I would guess maybe a score of the 3,000 threads on "Yellows" contain posts glorifying football violence yet, according to you, the messageboard deserves to be indicted for it.

Irrelevant of any "it's a Lazio thing" smokescreen, your avatar shows a man giving a fascist salute, and that man is your new manager. There are plenty of other pictures of him, why choose that one?

To comment specifically on your reply, freedom of political expression no longer extends to racism, thank goodness, and debating the possibly of violence at a Swindon-Oxford match is hardly conspiracy to commit violent disorder. If it were, TVP would by now have broken doors down, believe me.

Oh get your own fucking house in order. What about Mark Wrights racist abuse of a lino / ref. Tried to weasel his way out of it and was caught bang to rights.

Its a picture of Di Canio playing at West Ham.

Why would I believe you? TVP will probably break down some doors in the week before the game.

a) I agree he acted appallingly
b) I don't have an avatar of Mark Wright

I didn't suggest he made the salute whilst at Lazio, your fellow fan suggested that the straight arm salute was acceptable because of his Lazio origins and their apparent acceptance of such things.

That's not a salute, it looks like he's gesturing during a match.

That was Goering's defence at Nuremburg.

Just pointing out the obvious.

Yeah, the angles not steep enough :D

I like Eric. 

But it is spooky that all those nice thoughtful people who forum died after the fascist thang have morphed and come back to haunt our consciences.  As an Oxford fan.

I'm going to start handing out forum bans to anyone who carries on this fucking fascist debate.

;)

Fas .... oops! I mean fair enough.

I didn't know a fascist was a faggot

Had to laugh, a couple of months back me and the girlfriend went to the Oxford 02 Academy to watch a gig. Afterwards I put up on twitter that the crowd was good but I'm sure the Swindon gig goers would do better in a couple of months time (as the artist is playing here next week). All of a sudden I'm getting messages from Oxford fans about how it's 'same old swindon', 'turn up and don't make themselves known', 'never had fack all' etc etc. Yes Lads, I always go to gigs with my girlfriend on the grounds of looking for a fight with rival supporters.....I found it hilarious!

Doesn't your girlfriend object to that?

Oh Eric, you little joker you!

I'll stick my head on the block and say this game has got no chance next week. The small Pox have been talking about kicking off for months on their forums. A lot of posts even looking forward to trying to reduce Swindon to the sort of devastation heaped on Tottenham/Croydon/Manchester this last week.

Honestly there is no animosity towards Cheltenham in our fans at all, and theyve called that off. Pox will be a game that brings people out of the woodwork, its going to take ages to get UK Policing back to normal. This game is very doubtful, might as well make some back up plans for next weekend.

The irony of the Oxford bravado is that we are only a couple of months down the line from one of their boys running off crying to the police (because Paul Hart had a go at him for shouting vile racial abuse at Amankwaah).

Saw a picture of him in the paper, he looked a right specimen.

Yeah, but dont forget that was in Witney on 'their territory' - what a laugh. Yeah as about as much as Faringdon is.

Isn't your Cheltenham game only off because there was trouble in Gloucester (last night, or the night before), and so police resources in that area are thin? Nothing has really happened in Oxford, and Swindon has been quiet from what I gather. And don't forget of course that we are likely to see a swift and effective response from our government in terms of increased police resources and contingency plans for any similar future events.

By the 21st things will be back to normal I'm sure, they've got plenty of time to regroup and get enough police to Swindon for 10 days time.

I'd be very surprised if its called off.

This is why I like OF - he is the funniest poster on TEF.  This is a tongue in cheek classic.

You reckon? I'd have thought the police would be doing everything they could to make sure this game is midday on a weekend rather than a weeknight.

Don't worry.  It will still be on next week.

I think the main reason is that the local PCs were dragged into London and Bristol over what happened, which means there aren't enough old bill to copy with anything, let alone a football match.

Here's hoping it is still on  :D

Dont think so. This coalition government is very slow to react. Going to be slow getting back to normal as well. As for swift and effective? Been a complete shambles so far (this will finnish Cameron and Osbourne). They still dont get it. These people have always been scum with no humanity, the difference is now they have blackberry's and social networking. Cameron's saying things like 'we can cut policing away from the frontline'. If anything, he needs his backline teams analysing social media 10 times more than he ever did. The intelligence policing is the way to defeat them, have them in the courts for conspiracy rather than looting.

I think Gloucs police wrongly think that our game at Cheltenham is a major risk, thats why its off. Its pathetic. But the Pox game is a risk. Besides, theyve been looking to flex their muscles over football for a long long time.

As for being played on a weeknight, I agree they wont want it played on a weeknight. They might well insist on it being played on a tuesday afternoon, or insist another weekend fixture is moved. And no, Im not joking.

The the nail in the coffin is that Pox have got a few hundred tickets in our end. Fair play to them, bit of balls. But this would kick it off even with saturation policing.

few hundred? i doubt that

If they shut the fuck up then they'll be alright. The average Town fan won't give a fuck about them.
The game will be on. All the riot stuff will have died down by then. As for the Scummers - its all fucking mouth. There will be isolated scraps but generally the OB will have it sussed. Saying that I hope the Scummers turn the Merlin over big time. The bullshit the Scummers are ginving is the same sort of bollox that had Primark burnt down in Swindon on Tuesday - ie absolute shite with no substance.

That's a giant whoosh re: the government's "swift and effective" response, Spencer.

And I think the Gloucs police have genuinely used up lots of their manpower managing Gloucester this week, and don't have enough bodies left to send to Cheltenham. I doubt they see the fixture as a major risk.

I will be less than impressed if there are any near me.

What do Luci and pox fans have in common?

They both visit the county ground as often as each other.

Ive got new hope again now.  :D

Bring it on!!

Sorry about the doom and gloom. And missing the whoosh.

It will be difficult for police to postpone a game nest weekend if there has been a nearly full fixture schedule this weekend.

Now very confident this will go ahead.

Anyone know what the ticket situation is like for this game? I haven't got one yet. Was going to pop to the ticket office this afternoon.

Close to 10000 sold according to the website Sam.

Yeah its shit considering there is nearly 5kmseason tickets and they bought 3k

I thought the 10k figure was home fans?

No Bogus it's together with the away fans. 10,000 so far isn't too bad. Still over a week still to go. Can't pay on the day though!

Possibly the fact that it's on a Sunday might hinder a few people getting there.

Oh, thats a bit gash.

Read in the week there's only a couple hundred tickets left in the Town End. Imagine most of the tickets sold have gone to oxford fans

Don't under estimate the match day prices either

There's still over a week left yet. We'll sell more, and if we beat Cheltenham and Daggers then I can see quite a few more taking interest