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Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:12:59 Have a read of the comments section, particularly the post by 'fredi' Reproduced here... Quote fredi says... 8:16am Tue 23 Apr 13 Sam, please ask the following questions: 1) At the time of the takeover from Andrew Black, £1.2 m had to be shown to FL to satisfy them that STFC had sufficient funds to see out the season. Greg Hall's money, sitting in a solicitor's account to his order was shown. This satisfied the FL to allow takeover to proceed. Yet before any monies were invested into STFC, Jed and his three directors saw fit to pay consultancy fees to themselves to the tune of nearly £200,000. Why do they consider this an appropriate way to run our football club ? (Please do not deny this occurred, or I will post more details, including the director whose home address matches that of the consultancy company paid) 2) When Greg Hall decided to walk away, no investment had been forthcoming and another investor was urgently required. for the record, please will Jed confirm that neither he nor any of his original directors have invested one penny into our club. 3) I posted on here some weeks ago that the club was being sold, the directors all removed and Jed being kept on until the end of the season. This was because the sale, to two people I did not name, had already been signed by Jed. Lee Power's name has since been in the public domain as one of the two people but the second name S. C. (I will refer to him as Russell, that being his middle name) has not. Will Jed please confirm that this takeover will occur ( subject to FL approval ). 4) It is noted that Greg Hall's name has quietly disappeared as a director followed now by two more.....why does Jed not consider it appropriate to announce properly when directors stand down or are removed ? 5) Back to the FL. After Greg Hall walked away, £1.2m was still required to lift the embargo, but the FL insisted that this time the money was actually paid in to STFC. Russell made the payment and the embargo was lifted. With the FL now satisfied, why was it deemed appropriate behaviour for the £1.2 to be immediately withdrawn from STFC and paid back to Russell (thereby leaving total investment to date at a nice round zero) 6) At least Russell has funds and has pledged a further £500k so that the club can pay wages at the end of this month. But all his funding is subject to the takeover receiving FL approval and this is clearly taking much longer than hoped - if Russell and Lee fail the fit and proper person test, what is the Board's back up plan ? 7) In view of the tight state of the club's finances, why was it considered appropriate to lease four new Mercedes for the directors? (again please don't deny this took place, since it is a term of the takeover that the directors when they step down will be allowed to keep their cars) This is not a witch hunt on my part, merely a determination that our club is run in an honest and open way. There are too many examples of clubs being destroyed by "inappropriate" behaviour by directors. I lived through Diamandis and watched as some of my friends vented their anger outside his house. By then the damage had been done and I quietly determined to become vigilant and use the tools at my disposal (I have an "interesting" job) to ensure my club was run properly. When Fitton arrived, it was quickly evident that I could afford to sleep on the job. I wish for nothing more then to return to being an anonymous fan watching the club I love safe in the knowledge it is being properly run. Training has taught me however, that when it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, regrettably in this instance I may have to conclude it is a duck.” Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:16:00 Wheres he get that info from? Just out of interest
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:16:28 I think the above is worthy of its own thread. If accurate, there's some interesting times ahead...
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:32:35 Well that doesn't sound ideal.
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:38:06 DuckTales!
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:39:23 Interesting stuff
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:41:48 'This satisfied the FL to allow takeover to proceed. Yet before any monies were invested into STFC, Jed and his three directors saw fit to pay consultancy fees to themselves to the tune of nearly £200,000.
There was a thread about how these people can make money out of STFC, is this the way they could (alledgedly) do it? Pay themselves consultancy fees, and then get out of dodge? Is this possible? Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:44:55 Quote Training has taught me however, that when it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, regrettably in this instance I may have to conclude it is a duck Or will.i.am Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:53:14 Who is this Russell guy? Have I missed something?!
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 08:56:45 I've missed a lot. No idea who 'Russell' is either, but the rumours circulating appear to have more than one source, which lends credibility to them I guess.
Fredi has done everyone a favour by publishing, because it's out there now. The Chairman is going to have to confirm or deny. Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:19:03 It could also be an elaborate wind up. I hope it is anyway.
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:19:45 S.C?
Anyone? Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:20:12 Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:22:26 Can a Mod move this to its own thread?
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:24:56 Simon cowell Thats who I thought at well. Does that mean we're going to get lots of X Factor wannabe's performing on the CG? Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:25:07 Who is this Russell guy? Have I missed something?! Duke told us the club would be sold before the end of the season, Fredi seems to have latched onto this also. So "Russell" is the middle name of prospective joint owner with Power. Fredi has been roundly slagged off on thisis, apart from by the DoB. It seems to me his argument is highly plausible, it's unfortunate that the meeting tomorrow isn't open, because nothing beats seeing a Board member getting a forensic grilling.. Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:25:22 IM lost. Is the club being taken over by a duck?
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: nigel grays a postie on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:26:47 Has Rice gone? Are we still having pop concerts? Would Jahmene Douglas even sell out the Stratton Bank?
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Gibbons on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:32:42 Could somebody not working at the moment follow a few links on here and check for matching addresses to rule this fellow in or out?
https://www.duedil.com/director/915148066/stephen-russell-crouch Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:36:50 I beleve every word of it, lets not forget the brawmd new mercs they brought on the club. One thing that sticks out to me is that "call me jed" will tell you whaw u want to here, he has the gift of the gabb. This guy canot run a football club theres a reason why he didnt want to be chairman, the guy is out of his depth.
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:38:20 Could somebody not working at the moment follow a few links on here and check for matching addresses to rule this fellow in or out? https://www.duedil.com/director/915148066/stephen-russell-crouch Out, I would say. Looks like a rent-a-company secretary. Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:44:27 Did they really need new Mercs each? I suppose £370 a piece per month isn't silly money, but I'd question whether it was really necessary.
Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:50:56 Have no idea if any of it is true, but it all sounds worryingly plausible.
Most of the points are basically restatements of a lot of gossip and rumours that have been swirling around the club a while. The one really concrete piece of new information we have to work with is S Russell C. If he emerges out of the woodwork then it'll be difficult to doubt anything else Fredi's posted. I'd have a very hard time understanding the logic of the FL in insisting on us ring-fencing £1.2 million for so long only to allow us to pay it into somewhere it could instantly be withdrawn from? Not really ring-fenced money at that point is it? I'd assumed that would all be paid into an account only the FL could sanction the release of funds from. Agree this should be moved to it's own thread. Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 09:52:05 Simon cowell Whose middle name is Philip... Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: STFCforeigner on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 10:27:18 'This satisfied the FL to allow takeover to proceed. Yet before any monies were invested into STFC, Jed and his three directors saw fit to pay consultancy fees to themselves to the tune of nearly £200,000. There was a thread about how these people can make money out of STFC, is this the way they could (alledgedly) do it? Pay themselves consultancy fees, and then get out of dodge? Is this possible? If they have done this we are in for some very worrying times indeed. Would like to know where he gets his information from though... Title: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bumpkin on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 10:51:31 Alarming. Fredi is wide awake.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:11:26 I admit im now a long distance observer due to other commitments compared to how I used to be , but what worried me is the fact that Fredi is now saying this quite confidently without the worries of any reprocussions. Which says to me that he knows substantialy more then most folk.
The fact the Banbury is backing Fredi up is a sign of worrying times! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:24:34 I find duck identification quite difficult....come on be honest, who on here can tell a teal, from a widgeon; a garganey from a gadwall?
In much the same way as I find identifying a Board member difficult.. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:26:09 Just to play Devil's advocate amongst all the doom mongering, there is, as yet, no actual proof of anything 'Fredi' has said. To me, that means his conjecture is about as informed as anyone's, whatever his claims of what job he does and what information he has access to.
At least he knows how to work out what a duck is. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:26:21 This is fucking ace! Exactly the sort of dodgy tinpot bullshit club I fell in love with all those years ago. Maybe the fans will re-find their passion and he County Ground will be less of a morgue.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:29:33 Apart from getting some meat on the bones of all this it's not exactly surprising is it? Apart from the sycophantic arse lickers of Jed it's looked dodgy as fuck to most of us since those four buffoons stood there's for that cringeworthy photo.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:35:47 Just to play Devil's advocate amongst all the doom mongering, there is, as yet, no actual proof of anything 'Fredi' has said. To me, that means his conjecture is about as informed as anyone's, whatever his claims of what job he does and what information he has access to. True, but hes not just making suggestions, hes now crossed the line to actual accusations, if he wasnt so sure, would he be making these posts?At least he knows how to work out what a duck is. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:39:41 I actually believe most of this as it is precise enough to take someone with a fantastic imagination to make it up.
The one thing that leaps out is the £1.2m thing, why was it paid to the FL in the first instance and then directly to the club in the second? Makes no sense, the payment to the FL makes sense and would support the suggestion/suspicion that the intention all along was just flip the club onto another party as it would protect the club to a degree if Jed et al failed. But to allow it to go to the club itself seems perverse on the part of the FL? The £200k consultancy fees and cars is almost to be expected with regards to the above, if the transaction is merely business you are goping to want something for the risk and time, to be honest I won't lose too much sleep over that if in the long run we get some stability. The crux seems to be that everything depends on Lee Power and S Russell C, it seems to be suggested that SRC has the money available but why did they not front the takeover in january and instead apparently act via an intermediary - or have they come along now and presented an opportunity for Jed etc to get away and thats why the other directors have buggered off? In terms of Power what do we actually know, was he actually directly involved in the Cre8 debarcle or had he got off the board etc by then? Oh and who is the mysterious SCR - the plot thickens. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Freddies Ferret on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:46:25 Anyone know who fredi is? Can I be the 1st to rule myself out
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: skay on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 11:47:34 Anyone know who fredi is? Can I be the 1st to rule myself out Frederick Robdal ;) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:11:41 True, but hes not just making suggestions, hes now crossed the line to actual accusations, if he wasnt so sure, would he be making these posts? Because this is the internet and you can make wild accusations without fear of repercussion in the real world. Or at least that's what people believe. Before anyone accuses me of happy clapping or being naive or whatever, I'm not trying to protect the new board, or blindly take their version of events as true, it just seems perverse to me that whatever they say, people immediately think the board is lying, whilst they will happily believe some random bloke from Thisis of all places, who has not linked us to any actual evidence that backs up his claims. I'm empirically minded, and want to see some facts before jumping to alarming conclusions. The board may want to flip the club. They may want to destroy it for their own nefarious purposes. They may stick 20mill into it and bring on a new lease of life. They might be giant space lizards (that's for you Dossy). Far as we know, none of this is true. After the meeting tomorrow we will have some actual facts, which will be in the public record, and therefore able to be used against them in a court of law if they try and do the crooked thing of bleeding us dry (not as 'FACT!' on the forums). I do not expect the parties representing the fans in that meeting to have tea and crumpets and not ask the important questions of the board about what's going on, and whether the club will be safe financially. Until such a time as real facts appear around this, 'Fredi' is just another keyboard warrior, and I take his posts with about the same level of reality as Jed's tweets. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:12:58 Did you use any of those fancy words in your book? :)
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:28:42 Because this is the internet and you can make wild accusations without fear of repercussion in the real world. Or at least that's what people believe. Before anyone accuses me of happy clapping or being naive or whatever, I'm not trying to protect the new board, or blindly take their version of events as true, it just seems perverse to me that whatever they say, people immediately think the board is lying, whilst they will happily believe some random bloke from Thisis of all places, who has not linked us to any actual evidence that backs up his claims. I'm empirically minded, and want to see some facts before jumping to alarming conclusions. The board may want to flip the club. They may want to destroy it for their own nefarious purposes. They may stick 20mill into it and bring on a new lease of life. They might be giant space lizards (that's for you Dossy). Far as we know, none of this is true. After the meeting tomorrow we will have some actual facts, which will be in the public record, and therefore able to be used against them in a court of law if they try and do the crooked thing of bleeding us dry (not as 'FACT!' on the forums). I do not expect the parties representing the fans in that meeting to have tea and crumpets and not ask the important questions of the board about what's going on, and whether the club will be safe financially. Until such a time as real facts appear around this, 'Fredi' is just another keyboard warrior, and I take his posts with about the same level of reality as Jed's tweets. Can't argue against that, good point!! I wait tommorow with baited breath! and as 4D, nice use of vocabulary (spelling) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:29:17 . Far as we know, none of this is true. After the meeting tomorrow we will have some actual facts, which will be in the public record, and therefore able to be used against them in a court of law if they try and do the crooked thing of bleeding us dry (not as 'FACT!' on the forums). I do not expect the parties representing the fans in that meeting to have tea and crumpets and not ask the important questions of the board about what's going on, and whether the club will be safe financially. Im unclear as to where you think these facts are going to come from?Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:39:16 Sam is online, wonder if he would be good enough to comment on the conjecture?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:41:40 Well, lets see what Jedco say when Sam asks them.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:42:42 Just to play Devil's advocate amongst all the doom mongering, there is, as yet, no actual proof of anything 'Fredi' has said. To me, that means his conjecture is about as informed as anyone's, whatever his claims of what job he does and what information he has access to. At least he knows how to work out what a duck is. Actually this isn't the first time Fredi has surfaced on thisis. A few weeks ago he made a reference to Power which preceded the announcement of his role, so he has a little bit of credibility. I'm minded to believe him. The fans meeting will be interesting. Unless it will now be mysteriously 'postponed due to other commitments'... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: skay on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:45:13 I honestly can't see Jed and co turning up, don't think it will be in their best interests to as that's all it seems to be at the moment. Bet this conincides with another drinks deal in the winners lounge come the home playoff tie as well...
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:48:21 Sam is online, wonder if he would be good enough to comment on the conjecture? Not sure exactly what needs to be said on here. I'm treading a fine line legally etc but all avenues and allegations are being explored. Club refutes many, and I'm carrying some words from Murrall to that extent tomorrow. For what it's worth, I have also emailed Fredi twice to request direct contact and some proof which I can go with. Yet to get a response, but the first email was only on Thursday so not long I suppose.With various things being looked at I'm not keen to start jumping to conclusions either way. I'm a bit of a c*** like that. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Langers on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:49:58 More annoyingly, I now really fancy some duck pancakes.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: wiggy on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:50:04 They're ducks.
They're bleeding us dry? Vampire ducks.....? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e1ks9qCJ2c Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:52:03 More annoyingly, I now really fancy some duck pancakes. Duck a l'orange hat! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:54:02 May have missed something here, so apologise for going over old ground, but was the debt dating back from 1957? ever been uncovered to actually what is was?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:05:05 For what it's worth, I have also emailed Fredi twice to request direct contact and some proof which I can go with. Yet to get a response, but the first email was only on Thursday so not long I suppose. He has time to post on the adver site, but wont reply to emails? Hmmm Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:06:00 Frederick Robdal ;) That Only Fools and Horses episode was on GOLD last night, fucking funny when Rodney takes the funeral convoy up the wrong way down a One way street!!! :clap: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:09:23 He has time to post on the adver site, but wont reply to emails? Hmmm Maybe something to do with his "interesting" job? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:20:56 One quick question, has anyone seen these Mercs? It's something that has been mentioned infrequently but of all the wild accusations the one about them leasing a few cars seems like a pretty boring one.
Something about the way that post from Fredi was written makes me wonder if it's not just someone trying to stir things up - he's basically begging someone to call his bluff when he can quite easily just disappear and never say another word. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:22:58 Maybe something to do with his "interesting" job? Then why not answer Sam, hes obviously quite happy to post in on the forum, and when asked for facts wont reply Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:23:57 I'm treading a fine line legally This is the thing that crops up again and again and again. I think the main reason the board seem the way they do is a lack of ability/desire to say anything that is legally binding. This could be for numerous reasons, such as what was going on with law suits, unresolved debts etc., and (I'm jumping to conclusions here) is probably the main reason there's been such little/poor communication about all the really worrying rumours doing the rounds. The problem is anyone who knows anything can't risk saying it (or has to choose their words extremely carefully) because of the threat of legal action. I've mentioned the effect this has before on fan, volunteer-run groups, but even people like Sam and the BBC have to be careful- it may well be that one wrong phrase in the wrong place could scupper something important, not just for the board/investors, but for the fans too. Im unclear as to where you think these facts are going to come from? I'd hope they'd come from the questions being asked. I imagine the meeting will be minuted, so anything said should be on the record. Of course, this being the real world, it may well be certain things stay off the record, which is a shame, and will probably mean even more speculation/conjecture/DOOOOOOOOOOM, but that links into my first point: this is all a great big legal mess, and nobody wants to stick their head up above the parapet at risk of it being shot off. One quick question, has anyone seen these Mercs? It's something that has been mentioned infrequently but of all the wild accusations the one about them leasing a few cars seems like a pretty boring one. Something about the way that post from Fredi was written makes me wonder if it's not just someone trying to stir things up - he's basically begging someone to call his bluff when he can quite easily just disappear and never say another word. I know Jed has his Bentley. I honestly don't know whose cars are whose other than that, and there are a load of merc drivers at the club. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:25:14 Not sure exactly what needs to be said on here. I'm treading a fine line legally etc but all avenues and allegations are being explored. Club refutes many, and I'm carrying some words from Murrall to that extent tomorrow. For what it's worth, I have also emailed Fredi twice to request direct contact and some proof which I can go with. Yet to get a response, but the first email was only on Thursday so not long I suppose. With various things being looked at I'm not keen to start jumping to conclusions either way. I'm a bit of a c*** like that. Thanks Sam, understand re the legal thing. I guess the infuriating thing at the moment is that we should be looking forward to the play-offs and many of us are worried that the new board are going to (somehow) asset strip our club, and drive off into the sunset in their rented Mercedes with 200k in crisp notes in the boot leaving us up Oxford creek without so much as a flyswat. Could be interesting times ahead. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:26:39 One quick question, has anyone seen these Mercs? It's something that has been mentioned infrequently but of all the wild accusations the one about them leasing a few cars seems like a pretty boring one. Quote Dean McMackin @DeanMcMackin 3h @SamMorshead_SA Mercs for a total of 375 a month? Bloody bargain Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_SA 3h @DeanMcMackin think that's cost of one, and there are two company cars As you said though, a bit tame really. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:27:01 One quick question, has anyone seen these Mercs? It's something that has been mentioned infrequently but of all the wild accusations the one about them leasing a few cars seems like a pretty boring one. Something about the way that post from Fredi was written makes me wonder if it's not just someone trying to stir things up - he's basically begging someone to call his bluff when he can quite easily just disappear and never say another word. Jed and his cronies got out of a Merc on Saturday. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:27:41 Jed and his cronies got out of a Merc on Saturday. So they don't have one each then? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:27:47 Jed and his cronies got out of a Merc on Saturday. And what about the duck? I can only presume he travelled separately.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:32:35 Jed used 2 have a bentley wit jed on the plate, ive seen murrell init witout the plate, ive also seen mercs, e class and ml there on saturday. The al start wit wr on the plate,
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:40:52 Jed used 2 have a bentley wit jed on the plate, ive seen murrell init witout the plate, ive also seen mercs, e class and ml there on saturday. The al start wit wr on the plate, Are all the keys on your keyboard in full working order? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:42:13 And what about the duck? I can only presume he travelled separately. Check pete the duck on Harry hill! the only funny part of that program!! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Badgershradh on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:45:33 Might explain why Jed was so keen to remain on the Board at Banbury until the end of the season as well. Club sold on again before the start of next season and he can disappear back off to Banbury with a load of cash in his pocket to buy all their fans a beer for the rest of eternity
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 13:49:04 Are all the keys on your keyboard in full working order? Its hard to text and drive a tractor, xTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 14:21:27 Ed the duck, Orville, Huey, looey and duey, daffy, Donald , count duckula to names few.
Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 14:31:17 The one thing I'm disgusted about more than anything else come from this thread is the appalling grammar.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 14:31:52 Ed the duck, Orville, Huey, looey and duey, daffy, Donald , count duckula to names few. Long as it's not Howard. That thing freaked Me the hell out. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 14:46:22 I've read this thread on thisis also.
I can't help but notice that despite him threatening to post the evidence if anyone cast doubt on his story, no such evidence has actually emerged, despite several people calling bullshit on him. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: woolster on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 14:46:51 I know jed drives a bentley :nod: could some nosey cunt on here with time on there hands find out when it was purchased :sofa:
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 14:50:08 The one thing I'm disgusted about more than anything else come from this thread is the appalling grammar. Brilliantly, you seem to have missed a word from this sentence. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 14:55:28 The one thing I'm disgusted about more than anything else come from this thread is the appalling grammar. Did you deliberately make a James Hunt of that to make a point? Its hard to text and drive a tractor, x I can't read and I can't write but I can drive a tractor? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:00:47 Oi cant reed an oi cant rite but arr can droive a tra'er. Fixed. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:08:52 I can read and I can write also. I can't claim to have ever ridden a tractor either.
Sorry. (I have ridden a tuk-tuk though) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:17:40 I'm going to play devils advocate here and make an assumption which is probably a load of bulls**t but could 'Fredi' be not wanting anyone to know who he is (he may be an employee) be the reason he has not come back to anyone and said anything else, if he has the proof he claims to have then perhaps he will post it online somewhere or send it anon to someone / somewhere it cannot be hushed up when the allegations get denied as his proof that he is right.
The problem I have is the way it is all worded does seem as if it is not just someone making it up, it seems to detailed for that. Time will tell though. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:19:12 I know jed drives a bentley :nod: could some nosey cunt on here with time on there hands find out when it was purchased :sofa: Before he got involved with us, it was spotted in the CG car park when he was in negotiations with the previous lot!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:30:37 Does anybody know any of the peeps invited along to the meeting?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:34:23 Does anybody know any of the peeps invited along to the meeting? Trust Board (John Ward as chair and colleagues) and Supporters Club (Roger Bunce & Nigel Bennett I assume) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:39:34 Trust Board (John Ward as chair and colleagues) and Supporters Club (Roger Bunce & Nigel Bennett I assume) Who might the colleagues be?...Ward from the snippets in the Adver seems fairly clued up. We know Nigel of old as a staunch backer of SSW and co. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:40:40 Ah, yes. Nigel Bennett
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/sportlatest/1076719.Town_fans____colour_clash_/ Ultimate board apologist. No doubt who he will be backing. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:40:51 Secret mans club and we wont get told anything that is said
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:44:10 How long have Bennett and Bunce run the supporters club? I can't remember a time before them....
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:46:19 Does anybody know any of the peeps invited along to the meeting? There are six members of the Supporters Club board and five of Trust STFC attending, plus myself and Tom Otrebski from the club's media department. BBC invited but are not able to attend.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:46:33 Eider thought you'd be in the know?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Spud on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:46:45 Ah, yes. Nigel Bennett http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/sportlatest/1076719.Town_fans____colour_clash_/ Ultimate board apologist. No doubt who he will be backing. This will be all that Nigel Bennett hears during the meeting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33o32C0ogVM Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 15:52:19 Scary how some people just look the other way!
Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:01:41 This Ferdi seems fairly sure of themselves.
You'd think he'd have a bit of evidence given the nature of the claims and the way they have been publicly albeit anonymously declared. Worryingly my gut feel isn't too call bs straight away. That said, the board are on a bit of a hiding to nothing here. Say it was bs, what could the board say or do to avoid a "they would say that wouldn't they" response. Suppose Ferdi may give up some evidence to the press if the claims are true. Can he have a cool codename. Like deep throat but less porno sounding? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:05:39 There are six members of the Supporters Club board and five of Trust STFC attending, plus myself and Tom Otrebski from the club's media department. BBC invited but are not able to attend. I appreciate in the role of chairperson, it isn't within your remit to ask questions, but how does the Adver intend to disseminate the procedings to the slavering masses? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:09:41 Fredi is in the know I believe.
£x million was put in and taken out. (figure has been quoted) Directors "fees" have been paid (circa £200k). Why people are shooting him I have no idea........Suggest those questions are followed. No news on the sale of the Club but I reckon this is the Boards strategy. Is it sold ? sorry I don't know. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:13:16 I appreciate in the role of chairperson, it isn't within your remit to ask questions, but how does the Adver intend to disseminate the procedings to the slavering masses? Via transcript unless the groups agree unanimously otherwise.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:20:18 Fredi is in the know I believe. £x million was put in and taken out. (figure has been quoted) Directors "fees" have been paid (circa £200k). Why people are shooting him I have no idea........Suggest those questions are followed. No news on the sale of the Club but I reckon this is the Boards strategy. Is it sold ? sorry I don't know. Think it inevitable there'll be scepticism, when an unknown appears lobbing hand grenades. He/she lacks the provenance of a long time known poster such as yourself. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:23:56 Via transcript unless the groups agree unanimously otherwise. So will that take the form of a live feed, like a match day thread, or a write up at a later date? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: wiggy on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:24:55 Suppose Ferdi may give up some evidence to the press if the claims are true. Can he have a cool codename. Like deep throat but less porno sounding? Not so much a smoking gun, as a smoking duck... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:25:07 So will that take the form of a live feed, like a match day thread, or a write up at a later date? A write-up. I can't really run a feed and be there to fully digest everything that's said.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:26:32 Keep your eye out for ducks Sam. Its all about the ducks. They'll be in the corner smoking a cigar and quacking in a an evil fashion.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:27:05 A write-up. I can't really run a feed and be there to fully digest everything that's said. I see... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:28:33 I see... Equally, a live feed is liable to misquoting and or misunderstanding which would only exacerbate the situation if taken the wrong way.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:43:57 Presumably the easiest way for the board to deal with these accusations would be to privately show Morsehead the clubs accounts (proving there's been no £200,000 consultancy fees)/ the £1.2 million still sitting in a ring fenced account so Sam can relay that information to the fans (indirectly) as soon as possible and nip all this speculation in the bud.
Can you make a request of this nature Sam? I doubt a general statement of denial from Murrall in tomorrows adver will hold much water with the fans. A point by point rebuttal though showing Fredi's accusations are untrue would instantly win them a lot of goodwill and many of the doubters over to their side in the event of more rumours being posted about them in future. If they're all working honestly, then winning over the fans really isn't that hard, it just takes a little communication and transparency. In the absence of this, people will make up their own minds, and the lack of communication and transparency will not be kind to them. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:52:13 Presumably the easiest way for the board to deal with these accusations would be to privately show Morsehead the clubs accounts (proving there's been no £200,000 consultancy fees)/ the £1.2 million still sitting in a ring fenced account so Sam can relay that information to the fans (indirectly) as soon as possible and nip all this speculation in the bud. I can make the request, although opening books up on a whim to journalists is not often the done thing. Murrall has said if those points are brought up tomorrow, which they will be, he will address them point by point. Then it's a case of one word versus another - until there is hard evidence from either corner of course, which is why I have asked Fredi to get in touch.Can you make a request of this nature Sam? I doubt a general statement of denial from Murrall in tomorrows adver will hold much water with the fans. A point by point rebuttal though showing Fredi's accusations are untrue would instantly win them a lot of goodwill and many of the doubters over to their side in the event of more rumours being posted about them in future. If they're all working honestly, then winning over the fans really isn't that hard, it just takes a little communication and transparency. In the absence of this, people will make up their own minds, and the lack of communication and transparency will not be kind to them. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 16:58:32 Think it inevitable there'll be scepticism, when an unknown appears lobbing hand grenades. He/she lacks the provenance of a long time known poster such as yourself. This ^^^ . Plus pure hope we aren't being run by people whom it is alleged have not put a penny into the club, which would potentially mean piling up debt. Problem is its easy to dismiss Ferdi. While I don't know TDoB personally, I know some that do and so trust his word. Which makes everything a bit concerning to say the least... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:00:25 Presumably the easiest way for the board to deal with these accusations would be to privately show Morsehead the clubs accounts... Why don't you just go the whole hog and call him Moosehead? ;) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:01:04 Anyone know who fredi is? Can I be the 1st to rule myself out Seconded!!!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RWB Robin on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:02:37 I think it is important to be realistic about tomorrow's meeting. I don't want to be dismissive, but I was surprised when i heard that Sam was chairing it, and that the BBC had also been invited. The likelihood of complete openness in discussion with the media present is very small indeed, unless Sam gives a commitment to confidentiality, in which case, the fans will not get a full and frank description of the meeting. The situation is extremely worrying, nerves are jangling inside the club as well as outside, and those who are passing this whole thing off as irrelevant to the business of the play-offs and the potential for next season are living in cloud cuckoo land. I would rather trust the fans representatives (and Sam) to put the case tomorrow and to request complete honesty from the Directors, and then to pass on a message, either that we can relax a bit, or we need to gird up our loins for a fight, than for the meeting just to be a showpiece with no substance so that it can all be freely reported.
However little we like it and might wish it otherwise, the need for a degree of confidentiality is a fact of life in all begotiation. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:02:58 Why don't you just go the whole hog and call him Moosehead? ;) Been done, not original.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:05:49 Fred is jed and he wrote it for the bants
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:07:16 So they don't have one each then? He was with female cronies, not the other board members Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:10:10 Been done, not original. The bad memories from school come flooding back. :DTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:20:50 I'm due to be there as a Trust board member. After going through the questions we've put together, after fans got in touch via tweets, etc., we should've covered all bases.
And I'm not sure about tea and crumpets...unless Sam is supplying them !! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:23:01 Sam, do you have free licence to print what is said, or are there stipulations? If there aren't, do you intend to print what is said in full?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:23:13 I'm due to be there as a Trust board member. After going through the questions we've put together, after fans got in touch via tweets, etc., we should've covered all bases. You'll forgive me if I don't I'm sure.And I'm not sure about tea and crumpets...unless Sam is supplying them !! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:24:43 I'm due to be there as a Trust board member. After going through the questions we've put together, after fans got in touch via tweets, etc., we should've covered all bases. And I'm not sure about tea and crumpets...unless Sam is supplying them !! I think you should post a transcript on here so that we compare journalistic skills with Moosehead! :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:24:48 Sam, do you have free licence to print what is said, or are there stipulations? If there aren't, do you intend to print what is said in full? I'm sure this issue will be discussed at the meeting. I will push that everything that comes out is eligible for print, if there is a unanimous decision for the contrary and a need to keep confidentiality because of it, I will have to go with that. All in all, a fairly inconclusive answer I think you'll agree.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:40:23 Ooooohhhh this is a mysterious thread! Wouldn't surprise me if I was true to be honest given some of the stuff I've heard (none of it good)
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:48:03 Why don't you just go the whole hog and call him Moosehead? ;) Hog. Moose. Duck. This thread is starting to sound like a medieval banquet. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: skay on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:50:34 It's too late now, Jed and Co are reading this thread as we speak and are establishing a counter whereby they promise a pint at the playoffs, even a free Kevin McDonald mask if we make the final.
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Answers are needed on this....and quack....i mean quick. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:51:58 Ooooohhhh this is a mysterious thread! Wouldn't surprise me if I was true to be honest given some of the stuff I've heard (none of it good) Such as? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 17:59:07 It's too late now, Jed and Co are reading this thread as we speak and are establishing a counter whereby they promise a pint at the playoffs, even a free Kevin McDonald mask if we make the final. Done! Im easily bought :-D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:05:05 You'll forgive me if I don't I'm sure. Damn...I was looking forward to them !! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:06:07 Such as? The stuff about the drinking, fighting and drunk driving and general usage of our match days to entertain other dodgy types Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:06:48 I think you should post a transcript on here so that we compare journalistic skills with Moosehead! :) I believe we're planning to put something on the Trust website. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sn5_red on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:13:59 I can't tell you when he purchased his Bentley. But the number plate
is registered to an alpha romeo. Considering they've been in control For quite a while and he's had this at from the off it won't take that long To transfer it https://www.mycarcheck.com/check/options/MC04JED/ Make of it what you will.... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:17:27 I had a discussion with Fredi pre match on Saturday and I know that his source is reliable - he posted about Paul Duffen on thisis shortly after I did on here.
I certainly share his fears. Sam - if Power and the Russell fail fit and proper - won't they just do what King does and act in an 'advisory' role which is just as prominent in running the club? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:20:10 I had a discussion with Fredi pre match on Saturday and I know that his source is reliable - he posted about Paul Duffen on thisis shortly after I did on here. I certainly share his fears. Right, that settles it, it's all bollocks. Go home everybody, nothing more to see here. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:20:51 Duke, you seem to agree with fredi... Seem to remember your nephew (or other relative) was Rockin Robin at one point, maybe still is?? Pure speculation of course!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Gibbons on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:24:28 Right, that settles it, it's all bollocks. Go home everybody, nothing more to see here. :D PS. Before anybody thinks about giving the good Doctor any undeserved credibility from his attempts to piggy-back on Fredi's revelations, I suggest you click >this link< (https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q=fredi&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.swindonadvertiser.co.uk%2F&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=#lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=fredi+duffen+site:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.swindonadvertiser.co.uk%2F&oq=fredi+duffen+site:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.swindonadvertiser.co.uk%2F&gs_l=serp.3...14343.17471.2.18605.9.9.0.0.0.0.48.389.9.9.0...0.0...1c.1.11.serp.Y5wV_68W0eo&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.45580626,d.d2k&fp=da44f96728546422&biw=1092&bih=514) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: penhillbilly on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:38:31 Sam, can you ask them if they are bringing in the tv cameras for a new tv show...my big Fat Gypsy Football Club ? :D
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:39:35 This is a true test of the "If Dr Chang says something will happen, it definately won't end up being the case" theory
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:39:49 I can't tell you when he purchased his Bentley. But the number plate Jeds twitter has a pic of his Bentley with his plate on, 22-2-13 I've seen another pic of his Bentley on 26-3-13 without said plate.is registered to an alpha romeo. Considering they've been in control For quite a while and he's had this at from the off it won't take that long To transfer it https://www.mycarcheck.com/check/options/MC04JED/ Make of it what you will.... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:40:08 Sam, can you ask them if they are bringing in the tv cameras for a new tv show...my big Fat Gypsy Football Club ? :D Has Robbie Savage got involved? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:41:41 We've signed Freddie Eastwood and we're merging with Gillingham. What with us being, ahem, local rivals.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: penhillbilly on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:42:16 Has Robbie Savage got involved? And Prutton....Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:55:26 I know someone called Fred who works for the club. Doubt if it's him though! Not sure he's the computer/forum type.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:55:55 OK, here goes at answering the various "claims".
1) £200k consultancy fees paid amongst the various Directors who got a club for £1 and the debt written off as part of the negotiation. Might not like it, but it is very possible and probably not that out of the ordinary to be honest. In fact, they may not confirm the number, but I'd be ok if they came out and said they had indeed taken a cut of the deal. 2) I don't think any of the Directors ever claimed to have invested, in fact, wasn't it made very clear that the money men behind the deal were being kept in the background? I don't see any issue with this, a Director is an employee who has a responsibility under law to run the business. In most companies they'd be getting £100k plus a year for their services. 4 & 5) Not really that concerned - both will be recorded and documented 5) If the FL just wanted sight of the money and it was shown, what is the issue where the money is right now? If it was to prove they could fund future losses it exists and is probably getting a better rate of interest for the person who has it than it would be getting in the clubs bank account. 6) This one depends on the running costs of the business and whether any short debts would be accrued and could be covered - not sure you'd ever get a precise answer to this one. 7) Really, were going to get all worried about some company cars being leased? I get a car allowance from my company for fucks sake, I'm sure plenty do who aren't anywhere near the top of a business. The answer refers to question two really. So what does all that mean? It means the questions are actually shit ones because a fully legit business could have to answer all of them. On their own they don't really suggest dodgy dealings. Therefore, they seem designed to be geared to just winding people up. Now, if someone can come and point us in the direction of dodgy money, or in personal contracts being signed by their businesses without due consideration to other suppliers, or salaries of £250k a year per Director etc. that is worth investigating and pressing. Look, I'm not backing up either case here. Just pointing out that a fully legit business could have Directors that they pay who don't own the business, who take on company cars, who take a share of perceived value of a deal, who move money about to get best returns etc. I don't think these are the questions we should be asking, we should be far more pointed. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 18:57:00 Jeds twitter has a pic of his Bentley with his plate on, 22-2-13 I've seen another pic of his Bentley on 26-3-13 without said plate. Registered to a £530 Alpha 156 according to Glass'... Sums the whole situation up that there even seems something not quite right about his car!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: woolster on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:06:35 Jeds twitter has a pic of his Bentley with his plate on, 22-2-13 I've seen another pic of his Bentley on 26-3-13 without said plate. Classy, his twitter page has his Bentley on it :gay:sums the guy up reallyTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:18:00 OK, here goes at answering the various "claims". I think the thing with the cars are, 7) Really, were going to get all worried about some company cars being leased? I get a car allowance from my company for fucks sake, I'm sure plenty do who aren't anywhere near the top of a business. The answer refers to question two really. you have just taken on our club, with no debt, You wouldn't put money in so we sold our talisman, You appear to not have a great deal of money, Hints that our higher earner players will be sold in order to make the club "sustainable" So you go out and get brand new mercs on the club that trying to become "sustainable" when you already got a perfectly good Bentley. Doesn't look good does it. That's just my take. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:19:45 Why have you written that as a poem?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ginginho on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:43:45 :D
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: monkey on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:45:06 Jed seems to be getting a bit pissed off on twitter
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:45:07 Jeds just tweeted its lies and he cant understand why people are trying to unsettle the club
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:50:48 Jeds just tweeted its lies and he cant understand why people are trying to unsettle the club Some straight answers to some straight questions tomorrow would go a long way towards settling things down… Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:53:29 He's not gonna say its true is he?
You lot are forgetting Alan O'Connell works at the Merc garage now maybe he cut them a deal? :D :girlgiggle: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:54:57 You lot are forgetting Alan O'Connell works at the Merc garage now I know I'm going to kick myself, but...who? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:57:39 Alan O'Brien.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:58:17 Whoops I meant Alan O Brian!!!!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 19:59:14 :)
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 20:48:20 He's not gonna say its true is he? You lot are forgetting Alan O'Connell works at the Merc garage now maybe he cut them a deal? :D :girlgiggle: Exactly, I can just see Jed tomorrow standing up at the meeting and saying, that's right lads you got me bang to rights! sadly I can just imagine conjecture and question dodging at best, its difficult to imagine what the outcome and publicity will be following the meeting, as Wray has been having meetings with the Trust and demanding that what is said is not publicised if I was Jed I would demand the same? If Alan O'Brien works at a garage now I assume that his sales technique is swift and decisive but sadly with limited end product, much like his football. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 21:10:23 Imo your views are totally misguided as buying a football club is not the same as a buying a private company, and should never be viewed as such, a football club is one big money pit, which should only be bought with cash on the hip and for the love, and if fans plow their hard earned in to season tickets to try and help the club keep going, while these new owners decide to finance themselves a Merc each and give themselves a welcome gift of 200K out of the pot without first putting a penny in, whilst in the meantime the club is losing millions a year, then far from being standard business practice this is rotten to the core, and I can't really believe any town fan would try and defend it. Hi Fredi :bye: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 21:38:23 Imo your views are totally misguided as buying a football club is not the same as a buying a private company, and should never be viewed as such, a football club is one big money pit, which should only be bought with cash on the hip and for the love, and if fans plow their hard earned in to season tickets to try and help the club keep going, while these new owners decide to finance themselves a Merc each and give themselves a welcome gift of 200K out of the pot without first putting a penny in, whilst in the meantime the club is losing millions a year, then far from being standard business practice this is rotten to the core, and I can't really believe any town fan would try and defend it. To you and me it might be totally different because we are fans, these guys are patently not and neither were the last ones, it's business, just a flashy one. Football does not have to be a personal money pit - there are cases of clubs managing to do ok financially and many others without any serious backing behind them. You do not need a wedge of cash piled up to invest in order to buy a football club. A certain 20 time League winning club was purchased with debt loaded against it's own balance sheet. Despite uproar, it does not seem to have materially impacted the clubs performance on or off the field. Could you imagine if that was how we had just been purchased, you'd have literally been in intensive care right now. They are Directors, they are employees, they never said they were anything different. You seem to believe a Director has to be a major investor, Wray wasn't, Fitton wasn't really either. Look, as someone who exerted a lot of time and energy trying to make people aware of the way Diamandis was running the club, I'm not a board apologist. Just think going after these things are pointless when they don't suggest a systematic borderline fraud - like using your own companies to funnel costs through by signing up lucrative contracts - or gross incompetence, like decimating the revenue base of the football club and running into the ground with near 4,000 attendances or budgeting on 10k attendances. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 21:42:09 Exactly, I can just see Jed tomorrow standing up at the meeting and saying, that's right lads you got me bang to rights! sadly I can just imagine conjecture and question dodging at best, its difficult to imagine what the outcome and publicity will be following the meeting If question dodging is the route the board decide to take tomorrow, when they are presented with the opportunity to communicate openly, that will say plenty. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 21:49:14 I had a discussion with Fredi pre match on Saturday and I know that his source is reliable - he posted about Paul Duffen on thisis shortly after I did on here. I certainly share his fears. Sam - if Power and the Russell fail fit and proper - won't they just do what King does and act in an 'advisory' role which is just as prominent in running the club? SHUT UP PLEASE Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 21:53:19 Town general manager Steve Murrall has told the Advertiser that independent forensic auditors have been brought in to look at Town's books.
The auditors have been working for four to five weeks. Tomorrow's @swindonadver carries more boardroom news. - Sam Moosehead. ------------------------------- Erm, why would they do this? Post purchase audit ? Aha: @batch_2001 from what I can gather it is continued due diligence not possible due to speed of takeover Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 21:58:12 I have known DofB for many years and trust him implicitly.
However, I will hold my water until rumours cease to be rumours. I will cast judgement only at that point. I just wish that the Thisis brigade that appear to infest this forum would hold the same opinion. It's tiresome Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 22:11:24 Fredi?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 22:16:11 The stuff about the drinking, fighting and drunk driving and general usage of our match days to entertain other dodgy types Franchise per chance?I know things aren't quite right around the club at the moment and we're all concerned but is scouring the net for details and dirt on Jed's licence plate really worth it? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Christy on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 22:18:45 Could somebody not working at the moment follow a few links on here and check for matching addresses to rule this fellow in or out? https://www.duedil.com/director/915148066/stephen-russell-crouch Back to page 2...have you followed Fredi's clues to this person, or deduced / guessed / know it from some place else? Fredi did of course call the Power link some time before it became public, so you'd have to be even more cynical than me to suggest he has no credibility...and you could follow his recent cryptic clues to get to a S Russell Crouch. There was also something about Happy Mondays, but I'm not sure this is the deal for Shaun Ryder or Bez. I'll be reserving judgement before dismissing Fredi just yet. Also of interest today for those with little motivation to get anything done at work, was Fredi's gear change from the usual cryptic wind up mumbo jumbo, to a properly written and structured set of questions, pretty bang on consistent with what he's been drip feeding in over recent weeks. Not the typical work of a trolling nutter, but more likely I think of someone with a possibly vested interest in asking some pretty important questions about the future of STFC. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 22:21:54 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 22:24:48 Town general manager Steve Murrall has told the Advertiser that independent forensic auditors have been brought in to look at Town's books. The auditors have been working for four to five weeks. Tomorrow's @swindonadver carries more boardroom news. - Sam Moosehead. ------------------------------- Erm, why would they do this? Post purchase audit ? Aha: @batch_2001 from what I can gather it is continued due diligence not possible due to speed of takeover So what happens if they uncover something at this stage? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 22:28:38 So what happens if they uncover something at this stage? Revert to contract basically. There would be something that covers that possibility. What that is would be anyone's guess, and I'm sure lots will. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 22:53:22 Robert T
Don't buy your "realism" approach You do need funding to buy a a business, even if it costs £1. It's called cash flow. Merely flashing money in a solicitor's client account proves nothing at all - but fair enough if it passes a FL test. So if Jed isn't a fan why did he rush "due diligence" to "save" the club and then go on about independent forensic auditors debts going back to the 1950s legal claims paralysing the club Yes, there are employment issues, there are loan windows, there are debts, the accounts may not be up to date or presented in a way a purchaser would like and there may be financial obligations....shock, horror. Directors may not need to invest and indeed desrve a remuneration package but Purchasers need to be able to run the business and they need to access funds for cashflow and to allow for surprises if there is only rushed due diligence. A new board would also normally be communicating a mission statement and plan (to justify their remuneration) and tweeting just doesn't cut the mustard for me. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 05:07:55 Another director coming in Stephen crouch, it's in the adver this morn.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 05:55:17 Jed is not happy according to twitter, considering legal action
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 06:46:33 So thats the S.C. Fredi mentioned then. I haven't looked for his middle name.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 06:47:25 Could somebody not working at the moment follow a few links on here and check for matching addresses to rule this fellow in or out? https://www.duedil.com/director/915148066/stephen-russell-crouch :1st: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 06:49:03 It's never dull at our club is it? What larks.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 07:04:03 Jeds just tweeted its lies and he cant understand why people are trying to unsettle the club I'm sorry, but you can't offer little or no communication and then throw your toys out the pram when the rumours/speculation/consiracy theories starts popping up all over the place. A lot of these kind of issues could be nipped in the bud by the board being more open and transparent. I know that we can't know everything that is going on, but a bit more visibility of who is involved, what their plans are and a what is going on would alleviate a lot of this speculation. The only way they will get trust is to earn it and they have not done enough on the communication front IMO. Call me sceptical, but I don't think we are going to get much more information from this meeting tonight, I might be wrong, but it smells of a staged event to me. I can only hope that the trust and supporters club strive in the strongestest way possible to get some of the answers that we are all looking for. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 07:23:38 I'm sorry, but you can't offer little or no communication and then throw your toys out the pram when the rumours/speculation/consiracy theories starts popping up all over the place. A lot of these kind of issues could be nipped in the bud by the board being more open and transparent. I know that we can't know everything that is going on, but a bit more visibility of who is involved, what their plans are and a what is going on would alleviate a lot of this speculation. The only way they will get trust is to earn it and they have not done enough on the communication front IMO. Call me sceptical, but I don't think we are going to get much more information from this meeting tonight, I might be wrong, but it smells of a staged event to me. I can only hope that the trust and supporters club strive in the strongestest way possible to get some of the answers that we are all looking for. Oh for fuck sake. Of course it's a staged event to an extent. The board have agreed to meet with reps of the Trust and the supporters club and answer questions. They're not just hoping to bump into them down the pub. So to that extent it's staged. If however you're in some way suggesting that those reps are in some way in the pocket of the board and are going to duck asking any potentially awkward questions then just fucking say that honestly rather than playing this game of sly innuendo. There are members of the Trust on this forum. Just say that you don't trust them. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 07:30:19 They're criticised for so long for not holding a meeting and when they do......
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 07:33:45 Oh for fuck sake. Of course it's a staged event to an extent. The board have agreed to meet with reps of the Trust and the supporters club and answer questions. They're not just hoping to bump into them down the pub. So to that extent it's staged. If however you're in some way suggesting that those reps are in some way in the pocket of the board and are going to duck asking any potentially awkward questions then just fucking say that honestly rather than playing this game of sly innuendo. There are members of the Trust on this forum. Just say that you don't trust them. Do you have anger issues? I am not suggesting any of that shit that you have just spouted. I am a member of the trust. Sly innuendo? WTF? Are you a bit of a fuckwit, because I am not sure how you have come to that response from what I have posted. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 07:37:44 They're criticised for so long for not holding a meeting and when they do...... Not criticising them for holding the meeting, it's about bloody time, I am just stating that I don't believe we will get the answers everyone is looking for. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 07:42:19 Not criticising them for holding the meeting, it's about bloody time, I am just stating that I don't believe we will get the answers everyone is looking for. I agree with you both to an extent in that to be honest the board cannot win with this meeting, but at least it gets some form of dialogue underway which in light of the last month or so is a bloody start, don't expect any great revelations but at least will give the chance to see the whites of their eyes so to speak. Will be interesting to see what the outcome is, still interested to know why Wray is truning up at Trust meetings and demanding that what he says doesn't go into the public domain but hopefuilly that will come out in the wash at some stage as well. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sheepshagger on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 07:46:22 It's interesting to note the Supporters Club were asked to submit their questions in advance for tonight's meeting - and duly said no !!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sam Morshead on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 07:58:58 It's interesting to note the Supporters Club were asked to submit their questions in advance for tonight's meeting - and duly said no !! Important for me to say this is not true. Neither group were asked to submit their questions in advance - having organised the thing I'm in the place to know this - but the Trust opted to off their own back. That is their prerogative, as it is the Supporters' Club not to. What this shows is how rumour and conjecture can really drive a stake through the heart of what we are all trying to achieve, which is a more comfortable (or potentially uncomfortable) truth. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 08:05:30 What this shows is how rumour and conjecture can really drive a stake through the heart of what we are all trying to achieve, which is a more comfortable (or potentially uncomfortable) truth. And that just about sums up in one sentence what is going on at the moment. Time will tell whether all the keyboard lurking and tapping is proved correct!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: yeo on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 08:37:58 who the fuck is Dr Chang with a thousand posts?
its like an episode of Spooks around here Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 08:41:19 I think a lot of what's happening at the moment is counter productive. If I had the means I'm not sure I'd want to be involved in something that opens me up to the kind of claims, accusations and slurs that are currently doing the rounds. It's like Macarthyism.
Some of it may be true, but at the moment it's all rumours and supposition. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 08:44:31 who the fuck is Dr Chang with a thousand posts? Formerly known as STFC_CHRIS. Claims to have sources but not a single one of his 'scoops' has come true. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 09:03:52 I think a lot of what's happening at the moment is counter productive. If I had the means I'm not sure I'd want to be involved in something that opens me up to the kind of claims, accusations and slurs that are currently doing the rounds. It's like Macarthyism. Some of it may be true, but at the moment it's all rumours and supposition. Conversely, if something dodgy was afoot that was hameful to the club (and I'm not saying it is), and you knew about it, would you stay quiet? On the other hand this could easily all be true but a misrepresentation/lack of understanding of the facts too. I agree with Bernie, staying quiet about the embargo and about the revolving directors door has been harmful. Its taken Sam Morshead to get some sorts of lines of communication going. I hope that we are now getting somewhere to address all this. Perhaps Jed can give Fitton a ring for some advice on how to do things better. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 09:09:24 Conversely, if something dodgy was afoot that was hameful to the club (and I'm not saying it is), and you knew about it, would you stay quiet? On the other hand this could easily all be true but a misrepresentation/lack of understanding of the facts too. I agree with Bernie, staying quiet about the embargo and about the revolving directors door has been harmful. Its taken Sam Morshead to get some sorts of lines of communication going. I hope that we are now getting somewhere to address all this. Perhaps Jed can give Fitton a ring for some advice on how to do things better. This Morshead boy might be brighter than he gets credit for. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 09:12:09 who the fuck is Dr Chang with a thousand posts? its like an episode of Spooks around here It's kind of like this: [url width=400 height=181]http://25.media.tumblr.com/e2d8487e6de62f946d06a377b8925273/tumblr_mlqg10OU3T1qdlh1io1_400.gif[/url] Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sheepshagger on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 09:13:49 Important for me to say this is not true. Neither group were asked to submit their questions in advance - having organised the thing I'm in the place to know this - but the Trust opted to off their own back. That is their prerogative, as it is the Supporters' Club not to. What this shows is how rumour and conjecture can really drive a stake through the heart of what we are all trying to achieve, which is a more comfortable (or potentially uncomfortable) truth. That's actually quite interesting Sam I was categorically told at the game on Saturday by someone who sits very high up within the Supporters Club that this was the case - that they had been approached directly and asked to put all their questions in writing in advance, and declined to do so.... If this is not actually the case i guess it shows the level of rumour and counter rumour that could so easily be avoided by the board coming out and being more transparent - hopefully tonight will go some way to achieve this..... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 09:37:48 Conversely, if something dodgy was afoot that was hameful to the club (and I'm not saying it is), and you knew about it, would you stay quiet? On the other hand this could easily all be true but a misrepresentation/lack of understanding of the facts too. I agree with Bernie, staying quiet about the embargo and about the revolving directors door has been harmful. Its taken Sam Morshead to get some sorts of lines of communication going. I hope that we are now getting somewhere to address all this. Perhaps Jed can give Fitton a ring for some advice on how to do things better. This is pretty much what I was trying to say until Monkey boy got the wrong end of the wrong stick. They just need to get better at communication so that these potential chinese whispers cease to happen. I know hopefully tonight is the start of improved communication which is a good sign, the fact that I am of the opinion that we won't get the level of information that we all want is neither here not there, it's an opinion, hence why I am still bemused by the response of Monkey boy. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 09:39:15 I find it very strange that the BBC has declined an invitation to attend, would have thought it right up Hodgetts and Wise's street. Wonder if Wise overstepped the mark when asked not to mention Power coming in until this week - but went ahead and did it anyway!! Has somebody had a word in his ear?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 09:52:06 I find it very strange that the BBC has declined an invitation to attend, would have thought it right up Hodgetts and Wise's street. Wonder if Wise overstepped the mark when asked not to mention Power coming in until this week - but went ahead and did it anyway!! Has somebody had a word in his ear? I found it strange too. Maybe they just plan to report on Sam's dialogue similar to how the adver uses the BBC post match interviews to base their stories on after a match. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 09:57:53 Not particularly strange....if they think they are going to be given information and then asked not to report it (again), it puts them in a difficult position. Better (and more responsible even?) not to have the info in the first place.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:14:48 Do you have anger issues? I am not suggesting any of that shit that you have just spouted. I am a member of the trust. Sly innuendo? WTF? Are you a bit of a fuckwit, because I am not sure how you have come to that response from what I have posted. You've just suggested that we won't get anything out of the meeting as it is staged. What does that mean other than you think the questionners are set up beforehand to ask easy questions. What the fuck does staged mean otherwise. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:15:09 I find it very strange that the BBC has declined an invitation to attend, would have thought it right up Hodgetts and Wise's street. Wonder if Wise overstepped the mark when asked not to mention Power coming in until this week - but went ahead and did it anyway!! Has somebody had a word in his ear? I’m not surprised. BBC Wilts cut short the coverage of the Board's introductory press conference after 5 mins in order to chat about something crucial like morris dancing or potatoes. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Langers on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:15:57 Sam just said that Fredi has been in touch with him...
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:20:02 Fredi has said on adver forum tht jed has sold out to crouch as long as hes cleard by FL.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:45:37 Steve is a 30-year veteran of the tax and accounting sector, having spent many years working within HMRC before eventually setting up his own firm in 1991, and co-founding Crunch in 2007.Steve leads our team of expert accountants, providing a wealth of guidance and insight attained through his many years in practice.
At least we should be able to pay our tax bills on time! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ghanimah on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:51:12 At least we should be able to pay our tax bills on time! Or legally not as the case maybe... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:55:57 Well on first impressions at least, this new guy seems to have a bit more business acumen about him than Jed & co.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:59:17 And he's wearing a tie
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:59:31 Fredi has said on adver forum tht jed has sold out to crouch as long as hes cleard by FL. This is the bit I had some contention with, as in why it seemed to be raised as a negative. I'm not sure Jed even has ownership, he was publicised originally as the front man for people who had the money, which this now seems to be playing out like. Just seems not all the money men were willing to go in so quickly without a full and rigourous audit of the affairs - this guy being an Accountant makes sense. What is the problem with that? and why wouldn't the "owners" allow their employees who negotiated the deal be paid for their services. It may well be that they all eventually step down fromt the board or one or two remain, ultimately, that is the perrogotive of the shareholders. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:06:14 Well on first impressions at least, this new guy seems to have a bit more business acumen about him than Jed & co. The Sage of Bangkok should take a bow. http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=50388.msg1158670#msg1158670 I'm not sure Jed intends to be chairman here for long...... I have nothing to qualify that statement. It's nothing but a hunch. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:11:26 ;D
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:13:37 Crunch (ie) accounting. Im getting that friday statement feeling.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:20:30 If the club is shortly being taken over entirely by Power and Crouch why are the incumbents holding this meeting tonight? The timing makes no sense to me. I'm still unconvinced that fredi is the oracle and not someone piecing together a number of established rumours and adding some more specifics that can't be easily proved or disproved.
Still, as I've trid to do everyone else over the past few months I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:22:45 This is the bit I had some contention with, as in why it seemed to be raised as a negative. I'm not sure Jed even has ownership, he was publicised originally as the front man for people who had the money, which this now seems to be playing out like. Just seems not all the money men were willing to go in so quickly without a full and rigourous audit of the affairs - this guy being an Accountant makes sense. What is the problem with that? and why wouldn't the "owners" allow their employees who negotiated the deal be paid for their services. It may well be that they all eventually step down fromt the board or one or two remain, ultimately, that is the perrogotive of the shareholders. I didn't read Corner's post as a negative one. If the money men hadn't invested money when Black sold, and the consortium took over without the investment guaranteed. Well that's one hell of a gamble on their part! And I don''t mean that in a bad way (assuming this all ends well!). Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:31:04 One thing that doesn't make sense to me in Fredi's version of events: if Jedco were acting as intermediaries on behalf of other parties who are actually going to put up the money for running the club, surely those other parties wouldn't be very happy about them taking £200,000 out of the club to pay themselves huge consultancy fees?
IF this particular accusation is true (and if it were a smaller fee I wouldn't even consider it an accusation), then while not illegal or falling under the banner of 'financial irregularity' ( :no: Murrall), it would certainly be morally dubious to preach austerity and running the club on a sustainable footing while withdrawing unsustainably large consultancy fees out of the club. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:40:11 I find it very strange that the BBC has declined an invitation to attend, would have thought it right up Hodgetts and Wise's street. Wonder if Wise overstepped the mark when asked not to mention Power coming in until this week - but went ahead and did it anyway!! Has somebody had a word in his ear? Sam has now said on Twitter BBC Wilts will now be in attendance tonight. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ghanimah on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:42:07 One thing that doesn't make sense to me in Fredi's version of events: if Jedco were acting as intermediaries on behalf of other parties who are actually going to put up the money for running the club, surely those other parties wouldn't be very happy about them taking £200,000 out of the club to pay themselves huge consultancy fees? £200,000 for the risk of taking on the club while a full audit was being conducted before main backers were prepared to invest. If anything untoward cropped up the main backers would pull out leaving Jedco "lumbered" with the club. Obviously only a guess on my part. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:49:35 And he's wearing a tie Love him already. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:53:16 Just wait. He'll start tweeting nonsense with the duff English text speak that Jed seems to specialize in and you'll hate him again.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 11:57:20 £200,000 for the risk of taking on the club while a full audit was being conducted before main backers were prepared to invest. If anything untoward cropped up the main backers would pull out leaving Jedco "lumbered" with the club. Obviously only a guess on my part. A plausible guess in the circumstances. Might explain why we keep hearing so much about forensic auditing and the obsessive combing through of the old accounts Jed was going on about during the embargo. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 12:22:35 We should release a game of STFC board member/owner/investor top trumps. Maybe sell them in packs of 5 - collect the whole set.
Money making idea. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Mplanney on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 12:34:47 We'll hopefully were have a much better picture after tonight.
I'm confused with whats going on and been going on and although we are all annoyed with lack of comms from coming from the club, personally I believe the short term plans from Jed may have had have constantly changed with investors etc backing out. Not sure there was a long term plan, probably still working on it. Although the communications seems particually poor, when we look back at previous directors many of us still new little of what was going on behine the scenes ie. near take over last July, who the main investor was. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 12:42:22 You've just suggested that we won't get anything out of the meeting as it is staged. What does that mean other than you think the questionners are set up beforehand to ask easy questions. What the fuck does staged mean otherwise. I don't think we will get the level of information that we are after tonight - It's called an opinion. It smells of a staged event to me - i.e. the board already know the questions that are going to be asked so are preparing answers, like a script, and like politicians avoid answering the question. Which is why I stated that I hoped that the trust and the supporters club strive in the strongestest way possible to get some of the answers that we are all looking for - i.e. don't let them get away with rolling out a rehearsed answer and ask some further more probing questions to get to the bottom of what is going on. Staged = Script, rehearsed. How the fuck you managed to turn that into me questioning the trust's morals and suggesting that they were in the pocket of the board is beyond me. Sometimes you come across as a complete loon. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 12:51:27 Just wait. He'll start tweeting nonsense with the duff English text speak that Jed seems to specialize in and you'll hate him again. A succinct, accurate appraisal of what I look for in a chairman. That and loadsamoney. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 12:56:31 I don't think we will get the level of information that we are after tonight - It's called an opinion. It smells of a staged event to me - i.e. the board already know the questions that are going to be asked so are preparing answers, like a script, and like politicians avoid answering the question. Which is why I stated that I hoped that the trust and the supporters club strive in the strongestest way possible to get some of the answers that we are all looking for - i.e. don't let them get away with rolling out a rehearsed answer and ask some further more probing questions to get to the bottom of what is going on. Staged = Script, rehearsed. How the fuck you managed to turn that into me questioning the trust's morals and suggesting that they were in the pocket of the board is beyond me. Sometimes you come across as a complete loon. It might be worth pointing out that the Trust submitted its questions in advance to remove any opportunity for 'we'll have to get back to you'-style answers. Having given notice of their questions, the Trust representatives will expect full, open and honest answers to them, and I believe the people attending can be relied upon to follow those answers up and push for greater clarification where they deem it necessary. I can also safely say that today's unfolding events will lead to a few more questions as well as the goalposts seem to be constantly shifting. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 12:59:42 You've just suggested that we won't get anything out of the meeting as it is staged. What does that mean other than you think the questionners are set up beforehand to ask easy questions. What the fuck does staged mean otherwise. Well it does appear that some of the board members are doing a disappearing act. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 13:09:26 They can say what they like in a prepared meeting. It's only words. Means nothing.
It's clearly a dodgy situation. No answers needed to see that. I want them out as their reasons for taking over here is not for STFC's best interests,it's their own. Again no need to even ask a question in that regard. Fan ownership is the only secure long term future for us Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 13:11:10 £200,000 for the risk of taking on the club while a full audit was being conducted before main backers were prepared to invest. If anything untoward cropped up the main backers would pull out leaving Jedco "lumbered" with the club. Obviously only a guess on my part. About 570'ish season tickets borrowed. Still think strategy will be to sell and make some money. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 13:29:57 Fan ownership is the only secure long term future for us The issue of fan representation will also be raised. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 13:57:17 I would welcome a more active position from the Trust on fan representation.
Don't raise it, demand it. http://www.swanstrust.co.uk/History.aspx Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 13:58:30 If we had sole fan ownership where do you think the club would sit in the football pyramid? Not having a go, genuine question.
Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 14:02:14 If we had sole fan ownership where do you think the club would sit in the football pyramid? Not having a go, genuine question. I'd have thought we could sustain Conference football. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 14:08:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fan-owned_sports_teams
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 14:32:13 I'd have thought we could sustain Conference football. Exeter are making a decent fist of bouncing between Leagues One and Two and are fan owned, with much lower attendances than us. We'd have to cut our cloth accordingly, and would have to run a much tighter ship than we have in the past few years but I wouldn't rule out us operating a fan operated club in the lower reaches of Football League. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: HexstaticSTFC on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 14:47:48 League Two would be achievable with the occasional flirt with League One. More importantly the club would be run by the fans that will insure longevity.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 14:53:43 It will be interesting to see how Pompey get on.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 15:26:01 It will be interesting to see how Pompey get on. Indeed, everyone else who has full fan ownership, as opposed to the Swansea model, it's fair to say are 'smaller' clubs than us. Pompey are a huge test case now, I hope they can pull it off. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 15:42:26 Exeter are making a decent fist of bouncing between Leagues One and Two and are fan owned, with much lower attendances than us. We'd have to cut our cloth accordingly, and would have to run a much tighter ship than we have in the past few years but I wouldn't rule out us operating a fan operated club in the lower reaches of Football League. All cases are unique here...for example do Exeter own the ground, and so pay no rent? Also they were going nowhere, but had the happy fortune of getting a ManUre away in the Cup...getting a replay which brought in the money to get them back in Div 4. Would our crowds stand up...would SBC be prepared to accept a reduced rent (we know the answer to that) I suspect if we did go for the model, then maintaining Conference football would be about right. Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 16:06:59 This might make me unpopular, but fucked if I'd be happy with being a League 1/2 yoyo club, even if that's where we've spent most of our time. You've got to have ambition surely? Fan representation, yes. Sole ownership? Can't see it as an attractive option for people who want to follow an ambitious club with more than survival on its mind.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 16:07:47 I really hate the thought of us being owned by our fans. Just because most of our fans are fucking retards, we get divided massively because of the fucking tactics so it'd all end in tears in my eyes. If a fans group could come in and sort out the stadium situation then I'd be slightly more optimistic, but maintaining STFC as it is now (as I'm sure most of the fairweather fans would fuck off) would probably see us flirting with the Conference if we're lucky.
I would absolutely loved to be proven wrong, though. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 16:11:29 Sooner or later a Swindon fan will have a lottery win/sell their business for millions and plough their fortune into the club.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: mrverve on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 16:12:52 What would be the point in supporting a fan owned team if all it meant was watching them in the conference every year?
I'm probably on my own here but I seriously struggle to see how on earth some people would be happy with that. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: König on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 16:17:20 I'd rather have 20 years of excitement and ambition, than an eternity of being financially sustainable in League 2/Conference with no ambition. What would be the point in that? It's like wishing for a long, monotonous, boring life just because it means you have a long life, rather than having a shorter life filled with excitement and doing things you enjoy.
If that makes any sense. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 16:30:54 League Two would be achievable with the occasional flirt with League One. :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:Anyone who would be happy with this needs their head testing. Konig got it spot on with his post above. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 16:47:29 All cases are unique here...for example do Exeter own the ground, and so pay no rent? Also they were going nowhere, but had the happy fortune of getting a ManUre away in the Cup...getting a replay which brought in the money to get them back in Div 4. Would our crowds stand up...would SBC be prepared to accept a reduced rent (we know the answer to that) I suspect if we did go for the model, then maintaining Conference football would be about right. Reg, our rent accounts for about 2 to 3% of our costs. The question would be, what sort of football club do you get for about £5m worth of expenditure a year? that is what we'd be toying with right now if the fans owned the club as is. Now, given we are reputedly spending £4.5m on wages, you can see we'd have an issue to resolve pretty quickly, but does £5m = Conference? More likely it equals League 1 if managed well, League 2 if spent on gash. What none of us can really consider is what the revent could be if we had a different ground for example, and how a community owned club would engage with the Council to get that done. Also, just because the fans owned the club shares, does not mean they could not seek alternative forms of finance when required. A lot of unknowns. Portsmouth are taking hefty sums from a Property developer for example. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 17:43:03 Spurs have got it right.
Football is about glory - however fleeting it may be for some (most) clubs. If sustainability = endless mediocrity you can stuff it. Glory for us was the Ardiles/Hoddle era and if that means somewhere down the line we have to have Malpas/Hart then so be it. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 17:54:45 If sustainability means longer term success then I'm all for it.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: HexstaticSTFC on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 18:13:36 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Anyone who would be happy with this needs their head testing. Konig got it spot on with his post above. I suppose RobertT is correct, it all depends on how the trust could increase revenue, so we can can compete at other levels. Im not saying im happy with League 2 and League 1 but i would prefer that then no club at all. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 18:19:52 I prefer the championship or bust mentality the club has now, at least it's exciting.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 18:27:22 I'd rather have 20 years of excitement and ambition, than an eternity of being financially sustainable in League 2/Conference with no ambition. What would be the point in that? Why does fan ownership = no ambition? Besides out natural level is top half of League One, don't know where the League Two / Conference comes from. For all the money that Black et al put in to the club we're just back where we started and where we've always been. If investors are going to come along wanting to piss their money away it should be invested in the club and the ground to increase the fan base and revenue opportunities for the future. That's the only way we'll become established in The Championship. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 18:35:49 I yearn for peace and quiet - Let's either be good or shit.
All this half-decent on the pitch and not-so-good in the boardroom is just weird and making people go loco-crazy. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: König on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 18:54:00 Why does fan ownership = no ambition? Besides out natural level is top half of League One, don't know where the League Two / Conference comes from. For all the money that Black et al put in to the club we're just back where we started and where we've always been. If investors are going to come along wanting to piss their money away it should be invested in the club and the ground to increase the fan base and revenue opportunities for the future. That's the only way we'll become established in The Championship. I was just responding to those that hypothesised we'd be only be able to sustain Conference/League 2 football if we were owned by the fans. I have no idea how we'd actually fare under fan ownership, but i'd rather the excitement we've had recently than a lifetime of sustenance and possible lack of ambition. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 19:03:06 Why does fan ownership = no ambition? I agree with this. Have we as fans not learned from the past? Besides out natural level is top half of League One, don't know where the League Two / Conference comes from. For all the money that Black et al put in to the club we're just back where we started and where we've always been. If investors are going to come along wanting to piss their money away it should be invested in the club and the ground to increase the fan base and revenue opportunities for the future. That's the only way we'll become established in The Championship. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 19:05:07 I was just responding to those that hypothesised we'd be only be able to sustain Conference/League 2 football if we were owned by the fans. I have no idea how we'd actually fare under fan ownership, but i'd rather the excitement we've had recently than a lifetime of sustenance and possible lack of ambition. What Pompey fans have had in fact. Now they're just starting to emerge from the nightmare, they may agree with you that all the cheating and its consequences were worth it for a few seasons in the Prem and an FA Cup. Let's see how long it takes them to climb back up the leagues again. Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 19:09:40 The model Barcelona have is a good one. They're a co operative. Unfortunately our fan base hasn't the numbers to make this an attractive option.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 19:30:52 Not fussed who owns the club provided they're up to the job, but I'd love us to follow the Crewe model.
And on that note: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22278754 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 20:06:55 Sooner or later a Swindon fan will have a lottery win/sell their business for millions and plough their fortune into the club. I had a dream that I won the euromillions and bought the club, I was being paraded around the pitch and all was well with the world... I also wore a purple coat and leopard print shoes :D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 20:11:04 Not fussed who owns the club provided they're up to the job, but I'd love us to follow the Crewe model. And on that note: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22278754 I reckon a club could make a go of it in The Championship by feeding off the scraps from PL clubs and loan deals. There are plenty of examples of players released by PL clubs at 18 or later who a few years later change hands for big money. You just need the right manager who has knowledge and experience of youth development and good contacts with PL clubs. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: derbystfc on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 20:20:51 I'd rather have 20 years of excitement and ambition, than an eternity of being financially sustainable in League 2/Conference with no ambition. What would be the point in that? It's like wishing for a long, monotonous, boring life just because it means you have a long life, rather than having a shorter life filled with excitement and doing things you enjoy. If that makes any sense. Better to burn out then fade away I believe the saying goes! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 20:24:18 I reckon a club could make a go of it in The Championship by feeding off the scraps from PL clubs and loan deals. There are plenty of examples of players released by PL clubs at 18 or later who a few years later change hands for big money. You just need the right manager who has knowledge and experience of youth development and good contacts with PL clubs. We might have one of those at the moment Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 20:48:35 I also wore a purple coat and leopard print shoes :D So you became a pimp... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 21:38:20 TrustSTFC @TrustSTFC 7m
Very long, interesting meeting with Jed. He's agreed to answer questions posed in writing tomorrow. We'll update more fully tomorrow too. .@MatB_STFC69 Jed was v generous with his time & made a lot of +ve points. Still questions to be answered so we'll wait and see on those. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 21:41:07 Not fussed who owns the club provided they're up to the job, but I'd love us to follow the Crewe model. And on that note: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22278754 Thing about Crewe is that they set the wheels in motion 30 years ago, back then they were a perpetual seeker of re-election and wanted something different. However to get their model is very expensive and a niche market which they've cornered. It would be just about impossible to replicate now. We had an opportunity 30 odd years ago, John Trollope regularly fielded a side with 6 or 7 players, who'd been brought up through the ranks..Don Rogers was the youth team coach...we got relegated. Think Davis says in that article, that can happen with a young side...Trollope stuck with it in Div 4, but elements in the albeit very small crowd ran out of patience and demanded change...we got Ken Beamish. Trying to run the club sustainably...saw us kick around in Div 4 for another couple of seasons, until some money was chucked at it...money we didn't have. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 21:52:52 TrustSTFC @TrustSTFC 7m Very long, interesting meeting with Jed. He's agreed to answer questions posed in writing tomorrow. We'll update more fully tomorrow too. .@MatB_STFC69 Jed was v generous with his time & made a lot of +ve points. Still questions to be answered so we'll wait and see on those. So do we assume from that he didn't answer the questions tonight or that he is going to follow up what he said in writing? If previous communication is anything to go by, I won't be holding my breath on responses to the unanswered questions. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 21:54:57 No idea, I read that as he answered a lot positively, but some answers were outstanding and all others would be re-affirmed in writing. I think this is good.
Seems he took the issue of poor communication on board: TrustSTFC @TrustSTFC 15m Importantly, agreement on regular structured meetings and open Q & A with fans. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 22:37:44 Just got back from the meeting.
Questions asked by the Trust and Supp Club will be answered in writing, hopefully tomorrow. The four current board members...are still the board members. Power has not yet joined, nor has SC. Jed said that it ws a typo that only he and Power were the board. He is the 100% owner of Seebeck 87, so owns the club in full. They are building a new training ground in Calne, BeaverBrooks, and they are looking to extend the J Town Room and put in exec boxes in the DRS. The club will earn 150k a gig when the concerts are held. The Matt Ritchie sale was down to the prevou board...and there was no add ons. The rest, well I'm still trying to get my head around what else was said.... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 22:49:02 Just got back from the meeting. Questions asked by the Trust and Supp Club will be answered in writing, hopefully tomorrow. The four current board members...are still the board members. Power has not yet joined, nor has SC. Jed said that it ws a typo that only he and Power were the board. He is the 100% owner of Seebeck 87, so owns the club in full. They are building a new training ground in Calne, BeaverBrooks, and they are looking to extend the J Town Room and put in exec boxes in the DRS. The club will earn 150k a gig when the concerts are held. The Matt Ritchie sale was down to the prevou board...and there was no add ons. The rest, well I'm still trying to get my head around what else was said.... what did he say when they were asked and did he look shifty? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ADJr on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 23:04:05 The rest, well I'm still trying to get my head around what else was said.... Forgive me for wanting to know at least a bit more detail as to what this refers to? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 23:08:06 Forgive me for wanting to know at least a bit more detail as to what this refers to? A lot was said...and it's been a long night. They'll be a more detailed report on the Trust website later on Thursday....with hopefully the answers to the questions, which Sam will get first. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ADJr on Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 23:10:17 A lot was said...and it's been a long night. They'll be a more detailed report on the Trust website later on Thursday....with hopefully the answers to the questions, which Sam will get first. Cheers, respect that. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 05:54:26 Obviously we haven't had the 'official' write up yet, but I'm very happy all the noises seem to be positive coming out of the meeting.
Perhaps we can stop jumping to conclusions after some random person posts unsubstantiated bollocks again? Please? (I understand the 80% bollocks bit in the forum name, but there's been closer to 99% of it over the past week...) Maybe, sometimes, something that looks/sounds like a duck isn't a duck, and if you're not an Ornithologist you should leave well alone. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DiV on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 06:23:40 Why are we building a new training facility? What are we building and who will own it?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 07:25:31 Considering they had the questions in advance, there shouldn't really have been anything unanswered? Or did it just run over?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ghanimah on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 07:28:42 Considering they had the questions in advance, there shouldn't really have been anything unanswered? Or did it just run over? According to Sam Quote With so much to answer, all questions were not asked in timeframe but McCrory and Murrall committed to answering all in writing this week. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 07:29:17 Cheers
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: lambourn red on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 07:38:17 Why are we building a new training facility? What are we building and who will own it? They are not building a new facility just using the recently foootball foundation funded beaversbrook facility at Calne http://www.beversbrooksportsfacility.co.uk/gallery/ I would imagine it will be a lot cheaper than Liddington and PGL dont really want STFC there anyway. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 09:23:41 Perhaps we can stop jumping to conclusions after some random person posts unsubstantiated bollocks again? Please? It wasn't all unsubstantiated bollocks though was it? He named both the new investors a while before us or the media had even heard of them. He clearly has an inside track on some significant information that the rest of us don't. Whether all his other points are unsubstantiated bollocks tacked onto the little he did know remains to be seen. Hopefully the positive sounds coming out of the meeting are an indication they are. I think more regular meetings with the fans so they remain open to scrutiny is a very positive step anyway in regaining our trust. If there's one positive thing that comes out of this it might be greater communication in future between board and fans. (edited having actually read other thread) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 09:44:32 Obviously we haven't had the 'official' write up yet, but I'm very happy all the noises seem to be positive coming out of the meeting. Perhaps we can stop jumping to conclusions after some random person posts unsubstantiated bollocks again? Please? (I understand the 80% bollocks bit in the forum name, but there's been closer to 99% of it over the past week...) Maybe, sometimes, something that looks/sounds like a duck isn't a duck, and if you're not an Ornithologist you should leave well alone. Some people are easily pleased...like Ann Alder. Obviously, we need to wait for the full written transcript, but there's nothing here, which for me alleviates rather than confirms what has been said by various people about the what is happening. PS the "nothing here" bit should be applied to the account of last nights meting on the other thread. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:32:17 Bored at work so curious to see what our neighbours were thinking about our play-off qualification (for the record since PDC left, they seem to have forgotten about us, so mutual feelings I guess).
Anyway, I found this thread which seems eerily familiar http://www.yellowsforum.proboards.com/thread/13868/fred# Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 10:56:24 Trust STFC initial response to last night's meeting published here:
http://www.truststfc.com/2013/04/trust-stfc-swindon-supporters-club-meeting-with-jed-mccrory/ Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dozno9 on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 11:03:21 Thanks for that. I am more uncomfortable now than I was before I read it TBH.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 11:05:15 The tone of that piece isn't great... seems like some points were avoided, and a written response can be carefully planned to avoid any pressing or immediate pressure/scrutiny.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: kaufman on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 11:36:35 Bored at work so curious to see what our neighbours were thinking about our play-off qualification (for the record since PDC left, they seem to have forgotten about us, so mutual feelings I guess). Anyway, I found this thread which seems eerily familiar http://www.yellowsforum.proboards.com/thread/13868/fred# Wait so there's a Fredi on our forums and a Fred on theirs doing a similar thing? hmm Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sippo on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 11:50:02 This report doesn't sit well with me at all.
Quote Jed showed a legal letter from himself indicating that he had provided £1.2m of funding to the club in the form of a loan at 0% interest, repayable by end of 2015 So he hasn't invested, he's lent the money as a loan...hmmm. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 11:51:46 The tone of that piece isn't great... seems like some points were avoided, and a written response can be carefully planned to avoid any pressing or immediate pressure/scrutiny. But they were never going to provide detail and possibly rightly so as ultimately its a private business. It all seems a bit meh to be honest... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: london_red on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 11:54:29 This report doesn't sit well with me at all. So he hasn't invested, he's lent the money as a loan...hmmm. Isn't that the way most owners put cash into clubs? Believe the situation was the same under Black et al, hence the debts owed to him which had to be wiped off when he left. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 11:55:29 This report doesn't sit well with me at all. So he hasn't invested, he's lent the money as a loan...hmmm. Isn't this exactly what Fitton etc did though all depends on what happens at expiry date as if he converts to equity to won't matter. No more or less concerned than previously, the whole due dilligence thing is strange to have been going on this long however if that is legit the suggestion of £200k wouldn't be far from the mark as it potentially has been dragging on since the last week in January! I don't know why specifcally but I have a hope that Mr Crouch may buy us, he just seems a little more legit and business minded - nothing to base that on factually just a feeling. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 11:56:34 This report doesn't sit well with me at all. So he hasn't invested, he's lent the money as a loan...hmmm. Bloody hell. What do you expect? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: yeo on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 11:59:46 That doesn't really move the situation on at all.I'll await the written stuff.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sippo on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:40:05 Shit board. Why can't we get a 'jack walker' who will plow money in willy nilly?!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:44:59 Shit board. Why can't we get a 'jack walker' who will plow money in willy nilly?! May the ghost of Neville haunt you. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:46:33 This report doesn't sit well with me at all. And by 2015 too...So he hasn't invested, he's lent the money as a loan...hmmm. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: kerry red on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:50:47 Whilst I have grave reservations about all the boardroom shenanigans I don't actually think the loan by Jedward is any different to what almost every owner does.
At the other end of the scale, the Yanks that took over Man Utd have indebted the club to about £800m - raising money to fund their own takeover. It's accepted because they are doing well. The fella at Rangers funded his takeover by selling the income from the next 4 years worth of ST sales. They are all at it. And if they can accomplish whatever their intentions are by not actually using their own money the happier they are. Our new lot are no different - we might not like it, but there you are Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:51:06 Nothing's changed then. Still doesn't look good and inevitably will leaves the club in the shit
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 12:53:16 Shit board. Why can't we get a 'jack walker' who will plow money in willy nilly?! Probably for the same reason you and I don't give all (or a significant proportion) of our disposable income to the club. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 13:07:57 Why are we building a new training facility? What are we building and who will own it? I'm surprised more comment hasn't been passed on this snippet of info. I appreciate, we probably can't afford Wanborough any longer, as we downsize the club...but why Calne of all places...isn't there somewhere a bit closer to home. OK it might be a really good deal and make no difference...but as someone who down the years hasn't been adverse to watching a few training sessions, this seems a strange move. When I started off, we had the A Ground, down the end of Shrivenham Road....this I reckon lasted until very early Macari, when we were evicted by the Thatcherite drive to place community assets into the hands of private owners. Then the Wills Ground was used...well I recall my first encounter with Ossie Ardiles...I had to show him the hole in the CG Extension hedge that you went through to access it...swoon.... When the Wills Ground was concreted...it was off to the BR Ground, in the days of Hoddle. Often too wet to use, Glenn would often conduct sessions on the all weather part of the athletics track on the Extension...using the jumping zone for ball skills work. We've been up at Wanborough, for a good few years now...excellent facility...in the early days it was easy to get in to watch training...always an eye opener, but then security kicked in etc, and it became too difficult...although, the odd session with King coincided with work. I suppose it will be good for the out of towners and there's a good few in Calne. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 13:13:23 Calne is well within our supporter catchment area. As you say, we draw plenty of fans from the area and - you never know - this could result in a few more catching the bug. Can't see a problem with moving the training facilities there, to be honest.
And it is only 15 miles away from Swindon. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 13:18:35 Cheap option I think. Always been talk of the pgl thing coming to an end but going to calne isn't ideal.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 13:19:02 Calne is well within our supporter catchment area. As you say, we draw plenty of fans from the area and - you never know - this could result in a few more catching the bug. Can't see a problem with moving the training facilities there, to be honest. And it is only 15 miles away from Swindon. The problem for me is that it seems to be moving the club away from it's historic roots. I accept that we have to downsize, but surely something else could have been found in Swindon. Maybe there's a deal here that is just to good to miss out on, but.. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 13:19:52 This report doesn't sit well with me at all. So he hasn't invested, he's lent the money as a loan...hmmm. Can I borrow 1.2M @ 0% please! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: wiggy on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 13:57:49 The pitches at Beversbrook are very good, and they are about to add a spanking new artificial pitch there too. Can't see a problem with it personally.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 14:00:36 The old training ground was a field with some cones and the new training ground will also be a field with some cones.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 14:06:24 Who's picking up the cones. We lost our regular cone gatherer in the great purge of jan 13 didnt we?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 14:09:25 I'm sure the new arrangement will be a backwards step. Currently there are 3pitches that are solely used by the first team. They are high quality and exact sizes of the county ground surface. 4 other pitches plus 2 mini pitches are used by the cofe . Also the location is near home base. If anything the club should be looking to do something with supermarine if they have to move.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: phelpsieboy on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 14:15:01 Port Vale fans are claiming Perry Deakin is a new Director, I highly doubt this is true.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 14:17:54 Wasn't the place at Calne part funded (wholly?) by a branch of the FA, if so I cannot see a problem with moving there. Wiltshire Sound were reporting that we were going to invest a signifcant sum in helping to further develop the ground at Calne. As regards King Edward's Place, there were several times last season when training could not take place there and we had to migrate to Cirencester and their artificial surfaces.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 14:19:09 This report doesn't sit well with me at all. Sir Seton and his family were always loaning the club money a few years ago - doubt they ever got much back though!So he hasn't invested, he's lent the money as a loan...hmmm. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 14:56:46 is fredi a GCHQ worker ? fuck would I love to work there
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: @MacPhlea on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 15:02:07 I'm surprised more comment hasn't been passed on this snippet of info. I appreciate, we probably can't afford Wanborough any longer, as we downsize the club...but why Calne of all places...isn't there somewhere a bit closer to home. OK it might be a really good deal and make no difference...but as someone who down the years hasn't been adverse to watching a few training sessions, this seems a strange move. When I started off, we had the A Ground, down the end of Shrivenham Road....this I reckon lasted until very early Macari, when we were evicted by the Thatcherite drive to place community assets into the hands of private owners. Then the Wills Ground was used...well I recall my first encounter with Ossie Ardiles...I had to show him the hole in the CG Extension hedge that you went through to access it...swoon.... When the Wills Ground was concreted...it was off to the BR Ground, in the days of Hoddle. Often too wet to use, Glenn would often conduct sessions on the all weather part of the athletics track on the Extension...using the jumping zone for ball skills work. We've been up at Wanborough, for a good few years now...excellent facility...in the early days it was easy to get in to watch training...always an eye opener, but then security kicked in etc, and it became too difficult...although, the odd session with King coincided with work. I suppose it will be good for the out of towners and there's a good few in Calne. Because I told them it was more convenient for me Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 15:02:49 Port Vale fans are claiming Perry Deakin is a new Director, I highly doubt this is true. how the fuck would they know?Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 15:07:25 how the fuck would they know? Well nobody seems to know here, despite last nights meeting... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: suttonred on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 15:07:56 Because football message board freaks know everything.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 15:16:50 is fredi a GCHQ worker ? fuck would I love to work there Here you go : http://www.gchq.gov.uk/Careers/Pages/index.aspx (http://www.gchq.gov.uk/Careers/Pages/index.aspx) :D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: blinkpip on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 15:41:31 The pitches at Beversbrook are very good, and they are about to add a spanking new artificial pitch there too. Can't see a problem with it personally. Only negative I can think is drainage issues. Many Sunday League games are called off for the slightest of rain this season. Positive, maybe all the local talents will join Swindon set up and not bloody Reading and Bristol Shitty. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 15:46:11 So in a nutshell .......................
Was Fredi Right? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Power to people on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 15:48:41 Depends what the new training ground is going to offer us over the old one, RS said something about the Youths and ladies team being albe ot be based there as well, assume it is a decent setup
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 16:32:31 Did they expand on the point of adding Executive boxes to the DR Stand? Lets hope this is after any re-development, and not before.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 17:02:25 Did they expand on the point of adding Executive boxes to the DR Stand? Lets hope this is after any re-development, and not before. There is a space above the concourse, so if several hundred seats were ripped out, I'm sure something could be built in to it. Then again with the Luton connections, they rippd out an entire stand to turn them over to boxes :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 17:11:00 I don't see why people are getting so uppity about where the team train.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 17:13:39 Quite.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: steveg on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 17:22:10 With all the talk over the last few days thoughts are what ever league we are in next season, we have primed ourselves for a bit of a jostle . Seems like a dark cloud descending?! I so hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 17:34:15 I don't see why people are getting so uppity about where the team train. Think it's all to do with the peception of the club to players...if Calne is a first class facility, then the inconvenience of its distance from the CG, won't matter so much. If it's a cheap option, then it's distance from the CG may grate somewhat. The trend at the higher level, for better or worse is all for massively improved facilities, eg QPR have just been granted planning for such a thing...no doubt they'll be a Championship side next year. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 17:43:54 So did the trust get given any idea of when we were going to get the written responses back from the board?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 17:44:58 So did the trust get given any idea of when we were going to get the written responses back from the board? Supposedly today via Sam Morshead. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 17:46:34 Fuck me, that makes a change from tomorrow...or was that said yesterday
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 17:51:42 Fuck me, that makes a change from tomorrow...or was that said yesterday Well they have had our questions since Tuesday... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 19:11:48 Looks like we didn't get too much more information last night, who would have thunk it?
Where's the chimp? I look forward to the written responses... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 19:36:50 Any duck news?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 19:43:26 Jed has just put in a bill for £1.2m
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 19:43:55 Thats quackers.
Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 19:47:16 So Jed's a duckling and a diving then?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Matt71 on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 20:11:31 The pitches at the current training ground are not that good they suffer badly in winter and there is no watering system which results in them drying out in the summer and become rock hard.Also changing facilities etc not that good.set up in calne much better with indoor facility expected to be added soon.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 20:25:28 They suffer in bad weather like all pitches do. They get watered though and there ain't better pitches anywhere else in swindon.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 20:25:36 The pitches at the current training ground are not that good they suffer badly in winter and there is no watering system which results in them drying out in the summer and become rock hard.Also changing facilities etc not that good.set up in calne much better with indoor facility expected to be added soon. Ritchie's back! How's Bournemouth treating you? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 21:09:48 I went to PGL Liddlington recently with my brownies - Swindon Towm also had about a million youth team games running.
It was not great as you have to walk through the pitches to get to alot of the activities and SO many people were complaining as obviously PGL had no control over who was there (dads watching the games etc) We were told that PGL were hoping that STFC were leaving soon as it wasn't really working out having both companies up there. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Notts red on Thursday, April 25, 2013, 22:43:55 Were your Brownies shop bought or homemade :)
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 26, 2013, 07:53:33 The new training pitches sound ideal. They are not exactly on Mars so its hardly a big deal.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Friday, April 26, 2013, 12:29:44 * a ripple of applause *
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: @MacPhlea on Friday, April 26, 2013, 12:46:35 I went to PGL Liddlington recently with my brownies - Swindon Towm also had about a million youth team games running. It was not great as you have to walk through the pitches to get to alot of the activities and SO many people were complaining as obviously PGL had no control over who was there (dads watching the games etc) We were told that PGL were hoping that STFC were leaving soon as it wasn't really working out having both companies up there. I have this vision of you walking through a crowd of fathers carrying a tray of chocolate chewy cakes for some reason... Hows the sky HD box by the way? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, April 26, 2013, 16:09:51 The new training pitches sound ideal. They are not exactly on Mars so its hardly a big deal. It is to some people, it's all of 15 miles and another excuse for a downer on the new board!!Title: Have I missed the written replies to.......... Post by: NZrobin on Saturday, April 27, 2013, 06:52:12 I accept I live many thousands of miles away for centre of the world SN1...but have I missed the written replies promised by Jeddy baby and his main man from Wednesday's "lets be friends and move on together" meeting ?
:) COYR Title: Re: Have I missed the written replies to.......... Post by: ghanimah on Saturday, April 27, 2013, 06:55:18 If you've missed them then I have too...not a peep yet afaik
Title: Re: Have I missed the written replies to.......... Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 27, 2013, 06:58:32 I've heard they haven't passed the FL fit and proper letter test yet..
TBF I'd rather get a better reply that takes a few days than a rushed fudge quickly. Title: Re: Have I missed the written replies to.......... Post by: RedRag on Saturday, April 27, 2013, 07:02:35 I've heard they haven't passed the FL fit and proper letter test yet.. Not exactly a high bar, is it Perhaps Sam Could be appointed to the Board as he is usually able to get stuff out promptly (except he'd end up answering his own questions, I suppose) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:35:04 So did the trust get given any idea of when we were going to get the written responses back from the board? Supposedly today via Sam Morshead. [url width=450 height=252]http://gifs.gifbin.com/1233090229_43f9ef0.gif[/url] Bump. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:37:29 Still waiting for written responses I see.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:48:46 Pretty poor show given the whole point of the meeting was to break down barriers created by a lack of communicaiton.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:52:34 Not trying to excuse them but I'd hazard a guess that they're waiting for Crouch to pass the FPP test. A lot of the answers will, I suspect, revolve around him (and maybe Cooper).
Dunno why that seems to be taking so long though. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:56:56 Not trying to excuse them but I'd hazard a guess that they're waiting for Crouch to pass the FPP test. A lot of the answers will, I suspect, revolve around him (and maybe Cooper). Dunno why that seems to be taking so long though. According to Mr S Moosehead on Twatter still no answers... 'not yet. And while I appreciate it's not good it's taken a while, it's less than six days since they were asked to reply to them.' Did they not have the questions in advance of the meeting anyway, perhaps its an issue with the duck? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:57:24 Yes that's fair enough I guess. It would be nice to communicate that though :)
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:02:01 Written bullshit is more difficult to worm your way out of than verbal. I expect they are being as careful as possible.
Getting written answers looked dodgy as fuck anyway. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:05:42 Sam obviously has his ear to the door as he does seem to know most things that goes on at the CG I think he is Jed's secretary
As Jed & co had the questions in advance and must have agreed at the meeting the timeframe to respond then it is a pretty poor show to not repond or even advise they need more time to formulate the correct and detailed answers Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:07:05 Not trying to excuse them but I'd hazard a guess that they're waiting for Crouch to pass the FPP test. A lot of the answers will, I suspect, revolve around him (and maybe Cooper). Dunno why that seems to be taking so long though. Who's Cooper...is the cone gatherer the latest Board member? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:14:59 Who's Cooper...is the cone gatherer the latest Board member? Power, I mean. I'm losing track of whose who. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:18:54 What is the exact state of play regarding who's on the board? I thought some of those initially on it had left, but nothing officials been done (probably just shoddy clerical work) and Gregory Hall is still a director of Seebeck 87 but not of Swindon Town Football Club Ltd, although I swear Mccrory has said both companies have the same directors.
Does any of that mean anything, or is it needless shit stirring? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:21:50 What is the exact state of play regarding who's on the board? I thought some of those initially on it had left, but nothing officials been done (probably just shoddy clerical work) and Gregory Hall is still a director of Seebeck 87 but not of Swindon Town Football Club Ltd, although I swear Mccrory has said both companies have the same directors. Does any of that mean anything, or is it needless shit stirring? Essentially, I don't think anyone knows WTF is going on. Get the inconveneience of the PO's out the way, and I'm sure a bit more info wil be be dribbling out during the close season. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:26:09 Did they not have the questions in advance of the meeting anyway, perhaps its an issue with the duck? It's a problem with duck translation most probably. Perhaps the old one left? It's quackers to imagine they can find a new translator so quackly. They'd have to foot the bill too. I swore at a duck the other day, maybe I've scared him off? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:36:28 What is the exact state of play regarding who's on the board? I thought some of those initially on it had left, but nothing officials been done (probably just shoddy clerical work) and Gregory Hall is still a director of Seebeck 87 but not of Swindon Town Football Club Ltd, although I swear Mccrory has said both companies have the same directors. Does any of that mean anything, or is it needless shit stirring? At the fans meeting Jed said that the board of STFC remained the same as the day they took over and that he is the sole owner of Seebeck 87. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:43:04 It's a problem with duck translation most probably. Perhaps the old one left? It's quackers to imagine they can find a new translator so quackly. They'd have to foot the bill too. I swore at a duck the other day, maybe I've scared him off? Feeling a little down, were you? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:45:32 Jed is the illuminati, there was a clue in one of Beyonce's music videos.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:53:42 Feeling a little down, were you? Eggsactly. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 18:53:22 At the fans meeting Jed said that the board of STFC remained the same as the day they took over and that he is the sole owner of Seebeck 87. He also said, I believe, that it is possible that some of the board (i.e. the ones that were missing from the listing in the match program - Greg Hall and whoever the other one was) may be leaving soon.....which I took to mean that they had already, unofficially, left and that it would be, officially, confirmed soon.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 18:57:52 Actually I do have some sympathy for them, most of this bollocks would normally be carried out behind closed doors before the sale/takeover is announced.
It must be a bit shit trying to do all this in the public eye. PS This statement doesn't make me a happy clapper, or to think Luke (sorry Jedi) is the best thing since sliced bread (assuming you like sliced bread :D ) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Boston Red on Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 07:17:01 Still waiting for written responses I see. I'm a board member of the Trust. We've chased Steve M and I know Sam at the Adver is chasing too. Would expect answers in the next couple of days. This is a lot longer than Jed had originally said, but to be fair there were a lot of questions, so we're happy enough to give them some time on this. As soon as we have anything we'll share the answers as widely as possible. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: HexstaticSTFC on Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 08:32:56 I'm a board member of the Trust. We've chased Steve M and I know Sam at the Adver is chasing too. Would expect answers in the next couple of days. This is a lot longer than Jed had originally said, but to be fair there were a lot of questions, so we're happy enough to give them some time on this. As soon as we have anything we'll share the answers as widely as possible. I would give them some space during the play-offs, but after that hound them like rabid dogs. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 12:33:04 I'm a board member of the Trust. We've chased Steve M and I know Sam at the Adver is chasing too. Would expect answers in the next couple of days. This is a lot longer than Jed had originally said, but to be fair there were a lot of questions, so we're happy enough to give them some time on this. As soon as we have anything we'll share the answers as widely as possible. Good stuff. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 15:36:21 I would give them some space during the play-offs, but after that hound them like rabid dogs. this! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Langers on Thursday, May 2, 2013, 16:03:29 Written answers to be published after play-offs as to not distract the club.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, May 2, 2013, 16:14:18 It makes sense... just wish they'd said that in the beginning rather than promising a response "within 24 hours"
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, May 2, 2013, 16:39:12 Written answers to be published after play-offs as to not distract the club. I reckon they'll fax the answers in from their beach house in Barbados after they've done a runner with the Wembley ticket money. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: manc_red on Thursday, May 2, 2013, 16:40:42 He also said, I believe, that it is possible that some of the board (i.e. the ones that were missing from the listing in the match program - Greg Hall and whoever the other one was) may be leaving soon.....which I took to mean that they had already, unofficially, left and that it would be, officially, confirmed soon. Hall was removed as Director of the holding Co as of Tuesday. I'd be surprised if the club confirm or announce anything, since they never even thought to mention his involvement in the first place. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, May 2, 2013, 16:43:55 Hall was removed as Director of the holding Co as of Tuesday. Which one was he? The one with the long hair?I'd be surprised if the club confirm or announce anything, since they never even thought to mention his involvement in the first place. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: manc_red on Thursday, May 2, 2013, 16:48:53 No thats the Hotelier come music mogul chap, forget his name. Hall is the carbon credits bloke Jed forgot to mention.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, May 2, 2013, 17:02:16 No thats the Hotelier come music mogul chap, forget his name. Callum Rice.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: china red on Thursday, May 2, 2013, 23:58:43 Steve Crouch is now a director of stfc according to his linkedin account
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: manc_red on Friday, May 3, 2013, 06:11:01 Steve Crouch is now a director of stfc according to his linkedin account Presumably has passed the fit and proper then. Good news, I think? It'll be interesting to see what happens now. Based on what 'Fredi' said ( and to be fair he's been right on everything else) Crouch is the new owner and Jedders is on his way. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 3, 2013, 06:53:07 I have no reason or evidence to base this on (so much like most posts on here!) but the fact that Crouch is involved reassures me a little, he does seem to have some contacts, gravitas and a decent business background.
Well his company has a flashy website anyway :D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, May 3, 2013, 08:18:40 If Crouch is an accountant he does at least have a code of ethics which he has to comply with in order to ensure his membership (and the right to call himself an accountant). It doesn't mean much but it's a start!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Boston Red on Friday, May 3, 2013, 08:20:25 Trust statement on delay in Jed's answer is up on our site now:
http://www.truststfc.com/2013/05/trust-stfc-reaction-to-delay-in-answers-to-written-questions/ Disappointing and with the new changes (Hall out, Crouch in) there's an obvious need for clarity. However, on the field's the most important thing for the next couple of weeks so not going to die in a ditch over this immediately. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Sippo on Friday, May 3, 2013, 08:34:23 Can't blame them for waiting til after the playoff's.
Will the answers depend on which division we are in though? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Friday, May 3, 2013, 08:44:11 Can't blame them for waiting til after the playoff's. Will the answers depend on which division we are in though? This is giving them an easy ride. The date for the play-offs can't have been a massive surprise, can it? They just had to flannel around for a week after the meeting "putting the answers together" until they could use the excuse "let's not distract the club around the play-offs". After the play-offs, how surprised would we be to get another round of excuses? Here's a choose-your-own-adventure bullshit excuse generator > win: "let's focus on building a team for next year" > lose: "we're all upset, let's take a moment to reflect" > either result: "getting promoted/not promoted has materially changed our circumstances. Everyone on the board was expecting the opposite result and thought we would be promoted/not promoted. This changes everything, so we have to rethink things" (ps this is not true) > either result: "there are new investors in the pipeline and we don't want to upset negotiations" > either result: (my favourite jed-question-ducker) "come on, we are all family guys here". Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 3, 2013, 09:37:09 This is giving them an easy ride. The date for the play-offs can't have been a massive surprise, can it? They just had to flannel around for a week after the meeting "putting the answers together" until they could use the excuse "let's not distract the club around the play-offs". After the play-offs, how surprised would we be to get another round of excuses? Here's a choose-your-own-adventure bullshit excuse generator > win: "let's focus on building a team for next year" > lose: "we're all upset, let's take a moment to reflect" > either result: "getting promoted/not promoted has materially changed our circumstances. Everyone on the board was expecting the opposite result and thought we would be promoted/not promoted. This changes everything, so we have to rethink things" (ps this is not true) > either result: "there are new investors in the pipeline and we don't want to upset negotiations" > either result: (my favourite jed-question-ducker) "come on, we are all family guys here". This is a tricky one....it would of course be useful, to know what the questions were, before comdemning someone for not providing the answers. It could conceivably be...at the moment they don't know the answers as it all still seems a bit of a fluid situation. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Friday, May 3, 2013, 11:01:06 Fair enough, but whatever the questions were Jed and co committed to answer them promptly. And then didn't.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Power to people on Friday, May 3, 2013, 12:20:44 You would think maybe that there are some questions in there that people will not like the answers to, so they can release these close season when everyone is either celebrating or crying into their beer and gone on hols and will not get upset about the answers
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: manc_red on Friday, May 3, 2013, 12:28:52 Here's a choose-your-own-adventure bullshit excuse generator > win: "let's focus on building a team for next year" > lose: "we're all upset, let's take a moment to reflect" > either result: "getting promoted/not promoted has materially changed our circumstances. Everyone on the board was expecting the opposite result and thought we would be promoted/not promoted. This changes everything, so we have to rethink things" (ps this is not true) > either result: "there are new investors in the pipeline and we don't want to upset negotiations" > either result: (my favourite jed-question-ducker) "come on, we are all family guys here". You forgot the old catch-all, top trump excuse for any scenario, favorite: "sensitive legal issues". Quote Fair enough, but whatever the questions were Jed and co committed to answer them promptly. And then didn't. Precisely this. He/they are doing themselves no favours whatsoever. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, May 3, 2013, 12:32:16 Still no answers for another few weeks then. I can understand the play-off argument but like Iffy said how many more excuses are we going to get afterwards?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 3, 2013, 12:35:33 I have not slated the Board once since they arrived (at least I don't think I have) but this silence/inability to answer questions suggests that there are bad times ahead.
Best to take that assumption and then be quietly surprised next week or after Wembley. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RWB Robin on Friday, May 3, 2013, 12:41:54 The thing that seems to stand out about Crouch is that he has held a very large number of Directorships in his career, and most of the companies in which he has been involved have closed down. As a tax consultant, it may be that that is his expertise, and he has been brought in when a company is in extremis but if that is why he is coming to STFC, rather than bringing investment (his own or others), then there are yet more questions to answer.
The delay in answering questions, which could perfectly well have been answered at the meeting - the board had had perior notice of them - adds to the continuing concern. I will be there tomorrow with no thought other than supporting our team, but there will be much more to come regardless of the result(s) over the next few days. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 3, 2013, 13:13:04 The thing that seems to stand out about Crouch is that he has held a very large number of Directorships in his career, and most of the companies in which he has been involved have closed down. As a tax consultant, it may be that that is his expertise, and he has been brought in when a company is in extremis but if that is why he is coming to STFC, rather than bringing investment (his own or others), then there are yet more questions to answer. The delay in answering questions, which could perfectly well have been answered at the meeting - the board had had perior notice of them - adds to the continuing concern. I will be there tomorrow with no thought other than supporting our team, but there will be much more to come regardless of the result(s) over the next few days. This is a bleak scenario that you paint....I think it more to do with Power, who appears to be based in La Suisse, and Crouch's expertise seems to be in overseas tax matters. I'd imagine if STFC can legitimately hook onto the zeitgeist of avoiding HMRC, then this is where Crouch comes in. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Friday, May 3, 2013, 13:26:47 Still no answers for another few weeks then. I can understand the play-off argument but like Iffy said how many more excuses are we going to get afterwards? I got slated by the chimp earlier in this thread for suggesting that I believed this would be the case on the day of the Q&A session. Apparently I was being anti-trust! ::) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: derbystfc on Friday, May 3, 2013, 14:11:03 Are we really surprised with this outcome? It was blatant!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, May 3, 2013, 14:22:30 don't accountants open lots companies for their customers and then clear off??
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, May 3, 2013, 14:41:08 I got slated by the chimp earlier in this thread for suggesting that I believed this would be the case on the day of the Q&A session. Apparently I was being anti-trust! ::) No you didn't twat. The board failing to answer questions is one thing, and you probably weren't alone in thinking that it might happen. But that isn't what you posted though, or what pissed me off. I slagged you off for suggesting that the whole meeting was "staged", The word staged only has a couple of definitions in this context: - To arrange and carry out - To present a performance as if on a stage. I guess you could have meant the first of these definitions, but it seemed a bit odd for you to be suggesting that the board had "arranging" the meeting was in some way a bad thing. Which only leaves the second definition, that the meeting wasn't a genuine attempt by a group of fans representatives to ask some questions and raise some concerns but was some kind of performance designed to make the rest of us think there was some open exchange of ideas going on and fob us all off. And this sort of implies that all those involved were playing along in some way, including that Trust and Supporters Club reps. When I pointed that out you denied that this was what you meant when you used the phrase "staged", and I couldn't be arsed to force the issue at the time, so I just assumed you had some idiosyncratic definition of the word that the rest of the English speaking world didn't share, or had simply typed the word without really thinking about what it meant, and I let it go. Clearly you're not able to do the same. So fine. If you're clear in your own mind that you didn't mean to imply that the meeting was in some way a put up job, then I'm sure we're all prepared to believe you. But don't re-open the fucking argument with a total misrepresentation of what it was about when the whole fucking thing actually grew out of your inability to express yourself clearly. Maybe you should try thinking before you hit the post button and checking your posting actually says what you mean, and doesn't unintentionally question to honesty of other people. And BTW. Chimp? Are you colour blind or simply not up on the your higher primates? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sheepshagger on Friday, May 3, 2013, 14:44:12 You've not got a chip on your shoulder dalumpimunki have you !!!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Friday, May 3, 2013, 14:48:57 You've not got a chip on your shoulder dalumpimunki have you !!! I find him to be a balanced individual. Chips on both shoulders. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, May 3, 2013, 15:22:26 I find him to be a balanced individual. Chips on both shoulders. I've got a whole bag of chips on both shoulders. Never really got that whole chip on the shoulder thing. Weird way to start a fight. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Friday, May 3, 2013, 15:26:40 Are you like angry shouty man? :)
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, May 3, 2013, 15:30:40 Are you like angry shouty man? :) I'm normally alright as long as I don't watch Question Time or Newsnight. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, May 3, 2013, 15:50:39 I'm normally alright as long as I don't watch Question Time or Newsnight. Or come on here.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, May 3, 2013, 15:58:46 Or come on here. I can post fine on here when I'm engaging with reasonable people. But I don't like being wrongly accused of stuff. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, May 3, 2013, 16:01:42 I can post fine on here when I'm engaging with reasonable people. But I don't like being wrongly accused of stuff. But you'd never ever accuse someone of something would you? :)Anyway, there are no reasonable people on here. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 3, 2013, 16:03:53 I can post fine on here when I'm engaging with reasonable people. But I don't like being wrongly accused of stuff. You shot the sherriff. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, May 3, 2013, 16:17:19 But you'd never ever accuse someone of something would you? :) Anyway, there are no reasonable people on here. This seems like a pretty reasonable conversation to me. And even when we have had misunderstandings in the past about things, like when I read the tone of whatever you posted last week wrong, it gets resolved pretty easily. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Friday, May 3, 2013, 16:17:30 But you'd never ever accuse someone of something would you? :) I'm reasonable and well balanced.Anyway, there are no reasonable people on here. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: manc_red on Friday, May 3, 2013, 16:50:34 The thing that seems to stand out about Crouch is that he has held a very large number of Directorships in his career, and most of the companies in which he has been involved have closed down. As has been said most of those appointments will have been start ups or in temporary Accountancy roles. Anyway the fact that a company is dissolved doesn't mean anything in itself, the dissolution could be voluntary etc. It's when a Director's record reeks of repeated insolvancy 'episodes' that you might be inclined to worry a little, as might be said to be the case with one or two currently involved and/or reported to be involved. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Friday, May 3, 2013, 17:00:05 As has been said most of those appointments will have been start ups or in temporary Accountancy roles. Anyway the fact that a company is dissolved doesn't mean anything in itself, the dissolution could be voluntary etc. It's when a Director's record reeks of repeated insolvancy 'episodes' that you might be inclined to worry a little, as might be said to be the case with one or two currently involved and/or reported to be involved. It's also not rare for a firm's accountant to act as the Company Secretary. So if he's been running an accounting practice for small businesses, he could have been company secretary for loads of them without it being that interesting or important. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: manc_red on Friday, May 3, 2013, 17:10:17 It's also not rare for a firm's accountant to act as the Company Secretary. So if he's been running an accounting practice for small businesses, he could have been company secretary for loads of them without it being that interesting or important. No exactly - that was more or less my (possibly not very well put) point :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: donkey on Friday, May 3, 2013, 17:29:17 You've not got a chip on your shoulder dalumpimunki have you !!! A chimp on his shoulder? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Friday, May 3, 2013, 19:11:09 Can be bothered to converse with the abusive angry one.
Try disagreeing with someone without calling them a name or using expletives, it's quite refreshing. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Friday, May 3, 2013, 19:37:25 Fuck off berni
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, May 3, 2013, 22:28:52 Can be bothered to converse with the abusive angry one. Try disagreeing with someone without calling them a name or using expletives, it's quite refreshing. Your disapproval of foul language would sound a lot more sincere without the avatar of that fat right wing cunt Manning giving the world the finger. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Saturday, May 4, 2013, 00:36:05 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Saturday, May 4, 2013, 00:55:53 Your disapproval of foul language would sound a lot more sincere without the avatar of that fat right wing cunt Manning giving the world the finger. Whatever Monkey boy! Those that know me know whether I am a right wing cunt, or a Manning. That statement sums you up really, take the meaning of a picture and flip it into something completely irrelevant, just like you did with my original post and most of the debates you generate on here. Only a matter of time until you throw your Barbies out of the pram and delete your account again because somebody doesn't agree with you. The fact that you had a girlie strop over what I said and nobody else commented is good enough for me. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Levi lapper on Saturday, May 4, 2013, 08:01:54 Hasn't someone on here got an avatar of David Jason? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Saturday, May 4, 2013, 09:59:24 Hasn't someone on here got an avatar of David Jason? :hmmm: Are we in The Army?Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Saturday, May 4, 2013, 14:47:10 Rice and Murrall back on the directors list in today's program with with McCrory and Hooper.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 12:48:35 Cannot be arsed to trawl through all this, but did Fredi ever say anything more or put his money where his mouth is re the stories he told?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 14:31:46 Jed needs to come out within the next few days and answer the questions he's delayed on. Clarity on the longer term plan is even more pertinent now there seems to be a question mark over K Mac. It's only fair we're told what's going on, particularly since 5000 odd of us have taken the risk of renewing season tickets.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 14:36:34 Jed needs to come out within the next few days and answer the questions he's delayed on. That might interfere with his drinking time. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 14:39:00 It's only fair we're told what's going on, particularly since 5000 odd of us have taken the risk of renewing season tickets. What risk?Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 14:43:23 what risk - what do you know joteddy????????
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 14:58:27 I know absolutely nothing. I used the word risk as none of us know what sort of vision/plan they have and what money is available for players. The risk is that when we find out, it might not be good news.
Generally in the past we've had some sort of idea. Sorry to disappoint :) Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 15:14:14 I know absolutely nothing. I used the word risk as none of us know what sort of vision/plan they have and what money is available for players. The risk is that when we find out, it might not be good news. So it's not a fucking risk then, is it? You're buying a ticket to watch some football games, not investing your life savings in Lloyds.Generally in the past we've had some sort of idea. Sorry to disappoint :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 17:12:27 The fact that KMAC doesn't even know what the finances are going to be like next season really worries me. Clearly there has been no budget set. Are this board typical "let's make decisions and do things at the very last minute". Do they have any real plans in place?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 17:21:24 The fact that KMAC doesn't even know what the finances are going to be like next season really worries me. Clearly there has been no budget set. Are this board typical "let's make decisions and do things at the very last minute". Do they have any real plans in place? I think we all know the answer to that unfortunately. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 17:40:32 So it's not a fucking risk then, is it? You're buying a ticket to watch some football games, not investing your life savings in Lloyds. Actually as per the definition of a risk it's just that: Risk is the potential that a chosen action or activity (including the choice of inaction) will lead to a loss (an undesirable outcome). I've taken the action of buying a ST and if we end up fighting relegation next season because the board have no money to invest, it's an undesirable outcome (for me anyway). I don't expect success, good god I've supported Swindon for long enough to know that doesn't come along often, but it will be vastly disappointing if we found ourselves locked in a relegation battle. Even more of an undesirable outcome and genuine concern is that the current Board doesn't have enough financial backing to run us even with significant cuts to wages etc. What happens then? My worry stems mostly from rumours that have been floating around, but until Jed comes out and gives us the real picture that's all I've got to go on. Maybe not life savings, but £500 isn't exactly a small amount of money either. Edited to make my point slightly clearer, as I'm not a bloody glory hunter. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 17:43:28 So it's not a fucking risk then, is it? You're buying a ticket to watch some football games, not investing your life savings in Lloyds. . If you can pay now, I'd like to sell you 20-odd Sunday lunches to be enjoyed next year for just £15 a pop. Great value, roast beef and a pint, for just £300. Little or no risk to you or your family* *some of the lunches might have shit in them. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 17:45:40 Ps I am prepared to answer written questions about these lunches. I believe the low sales to date might be about communication*
*i might not be able to confirm or deny how much shit will be in your dinner Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 17:56:13 Ps I am prepared to answer written questions about these lunches. I believe the low sales to date might be about communication* So when there's a chance that your chosen football team isn't challenging for promotion, you do what? Remove your custom? Fucking hell. I bought an ST in the hope that we'll win more than we lose and maybe challenge for promotion. I haven't been promised this and I know there's a chance that the opposite will happen. What do people want, a guarantee? Buying an ST, for me, is committing myself to supporting the club, good, shit or mediocre. Isn't that what supporting a lower league tem is all about?*i might not be able to confirm or deny how much shit will be in your dinner Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 18:05:45 If the club were in real danger of going bust then the initial outlay would have been a risk on a purely financial basis but I don't see the football being a risk. I'll take whatever is on offer, shit or great who knows...
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 18:14:25 So when there's a chance that your chosen football team isn't challenging for promotion, you do what? Remove your custom? Fucking hell. I bought an ST in the hope that we'll win more than we lose and maybe challenge for promotion. I haven't been promised this and I know there's a chance that the opposite will happen. What do people want, a guarantee? Buying an ST, for me, is committing myself to supporting the club, good, shit or mediocre. Isn't that what supporting a lower league tem is all about? There's a point where being a fan crosses a line into being a doormat. And two-bit chancers (see Risdale P) will continue to take advantage of this uncritical devotion to make money for themselves whilst driving more and more clubs to the wall. It's no accident that there's a pretty strong relationship between fanatical support (Leeds, Portsmouth, Rangers) and avoidable financial collapse. Withdraw support if we're not challenging for promotion? Not at all. Personally, I think a good result for next season will be staying in L1 and avoiding administration. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 18:21:11 Personally, I think a good result for next season will be staying in L1 and avoiding administration. Based purely on supposition and rumour? I'm uneasy about who's controlling the club and their motives but it's because of what we don't know, not what we do.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 18:24:40 Based purely on supposition and rumour? I'm uneasy about who's controlling the club and their motives but it's because of what we don't know, not what we do. Well, Morshead isn't confident of a top 10 finish and expects big player turnover. He hasn't got a crystal ball, and it may be personal opinion, but you'd expect him to be closer than most to the reality of the 2013-14 budget: I know people love the quotes: Quote Daniel Smith @Smithlarrr19 18h. Honest answer, do you think given the situation with players out of contracts we'll be in a relegation battle? Sam Morshead Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_SA very hard to say right now. I'd be surprised if Swindon were a top 10 side next season. Hope I'm proved wrong. ------ @Paulinblack Think it may be harder to smirk in the coming days as it becomes clearer what failure actually means to the club. @SamMorshead_SA it means a lot, but from what I can gather budget cuts were likely whatever division. --- @BenzlWashington 18h Not entirely sure what the near future holds for us, hope we've got things to look forward to first. @SamMorshead_SA it's going to be a very different blueprint, a much harsher environment. I know that doesn't guarantee a pittance of a budget/relegation. I know it may be a needed realignment. But its a fuck of a lot harder to achieve something without cash, even if it is a reality. I'll be honest, I'm glad we have a club but I still don't want to turn in to perennial struggler. Still if Yeovil and Walsall can do it I suppose... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 18:30:33 I don't see why being in the CH would mean administration. It's not as though we'd be forced to spend beyond our means.
Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 21:22:31 So when there's a chance that your chosen football team isn't challenging for promotion, you do what? Remove your custom? Fucking hell. I bought an ST in the hope that we'll win more than we lose and maybe challenge for promotion. I haven't been promised this and I know there's a chance that the opposite will happen. What do people want, a guarantee? Buying an ST, for me, is committing myself to supporting the club, good, shit or mediocre. Isn't that what supporting a lower league tem is all about? Yes it is and that's exactly what I've done for years. I'm no glory hunter and certainly don't expect success.I've not been very clear in my original posts, because I wasn't just meaning in terms of results. I'm genuinely worried that the current Board doesn't have enough financial backing to run us even with significant cuts to wages etc. My worry stems from rumours that have been floating around, but until Jed comes out and gives us the real picture that's all I've got to go on. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 21:42:45 If anyone was that concerned by the risk they wouldn't have bought a season ticket. These rumours have been around for a couple of months.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 21:46:35 If anyone was that concerned by the risk they wouldn't have bought a season ticket. These rumours have been around for a couple of months. I did seriously consider not renewing, because I wasn't entirely comfortable and I'm sure there's plenty of others who felt the same. My heart and my 9 year old overruled my head in the end though. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 22:47:27 I renewed on the basis that i like going to football and go to pretty much all home games anyway. Nothing to do with the board.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 22:57:51 I renewed on the basis that i like going to football and go to pretty much all home games anyway. Nothing to do with the board. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 22:58:39 To be honest I only renew for the playoff away leg tickets.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 23:35:00 phew - I thought that you knew we were going under Joteddy. I bought the ticket as it's 23 matches that I love going to at £16 a pop, win or lose!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 06:41:34 SAM has Jed's answers, will be in tomorrows Adver apparently.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 06:52:47 Good stuff. It will be interesting to see what they have to say.
Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 06:58:50 I heard that the Adver's spell checker just can't cope with it all, so it'll be next week until we get to read their bullshit.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: REDBUCK on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 07:15:05 Someone better alert the samaritans to watch out for the suicidal side and drama queens because no matter what he says there will be some if this thread is any guide Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 07:26:02 Still if Yeovil and Walsall can do it I suppose... Exactly, we had it good for a couple of seasons, it could never last unless Black or AN Other threw more money at it, but those clubs do it on considerably smaller budgets. Personally I would rather have a local club (OK I live in Lancashire but I hope you know what I mean) with a team I can relate to and is sustainable and theres a chance my kid will have a team to support. Di Canio was a good manager but he took us very close to the edge... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 08:52:38 I don't think it will be quite to the extremes of Yeovil and Walsall but probably similar to the sort of budget we had pre-Fitton.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 08:55:14 Personally I would rather have a local club (OK I live in Lancashire but I hope you know what I mean) with a team I can relate to and is sustainable and theres a chance my kid will have a team to support. If the worst thing that happens over the summer is that we cut some of the budget and operate more sustainably with a focus on picking up young talent from other clubs then I'll be happy with that. Ferry and Caddis were both youngsters we picked up from the SPL, Flint was a bargain from the lower leagues, Collins although not so cheap in the end came from our level. Go back a bit further and we've picked up some brilliant young players on the cheap from both the top division and non-league - Parkin, Cox and Austin in particular. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 10:00:18 If the worst thing that happens over the summer is that we cut some of the budget and operate more sustainably with a focus on picking up young talent from other clubs then I'll be happy with that. Ferry and Caddis were both youngsters we picked up from the SPL, Flint was a bargain from the lower leagues, Collins although not so cheap in the end came from our level. Go back a bit further and we've picked up some brilliant young players on the cheap from both the top division and non-league - Parkin, Cox and Austin in particular. Nail on head there. Collins was only expensive because the FA/FL/powers that be tribunal has to get involved now. People moan about our scouting (and probably rightly so, do we even have a set up?), but, whether through chance or design, we do unearth real gems from time to time. Even our youth system turns up some good players. Bodin went for a fee, Morrison as well. If the Thompson 'twins' stay here and reach their potential we'll have a pair of great investments. If we want to start living more sustainably, I think getting our youth set up to academy level is more important than expanding the ground at this time, loathe as I am to say it. Can't find any quotes as to the cost of this, but I'm guessing it's not as cheap as sticking some boxes in the DRS. If Jedward want to live sustainably and show a real commitment to the club, what with the way the game is going, we need to get it built just to stop our best youthers being nicked and sent elsewhere. If we keep Kmac, Jedward have got all the experience they need to improve the youth set-up and get in the right people needed to make it into something like Crewe's 'production line'. No offence to Paul Bodin of course (he might sue me). It will take a few years to really start working, look at how long Dario Grady's been at Crewe, but it'll be worth it in the long run. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 10:11:13 Nail on head there. Collins was only expensive because the FA/FL/powers that be tribunal has to get involved now. People moan about our scouting (and probably rightly so, do we even have a set up?), but, whether through chance or design, we do unearth real gems from time to time. Even our youth system turns up some good players. Bodin went for a fee, Morrison as well. If the Thompson 'twins' stay here and reach their potential we'll have a pair of great investments. If we want to start living more sustainably, I think getting our youth set up to academy level is more important than expanding the ground at this time, loathe as I am to say it. Can't find any quotes as to the cost of this, but I'm guessing it's not as cheap as sticking some boxes in the DRS. If Jedward want to live sustainably and show a real commitment to the club, what with the way the game is going, we need to get it built just to stop our best youthers being nicked and sent elsewhere. If we keep Kmac, Jedward have got all the experience they need to improve the youth set-up and get in the right people needed to make it into something like Crewe's 'production line'. No offence to Paul Bodin of course (he might sue me). It will take a few years to really start working, look at how long Dario Grady's been at Crewe, but it'll be worth it in the long run. Reality is academy status is not feasible, when you're trying to run a sustainable club...a few years back you needed to spend a mill a season in order to maintain that level. Now it would be more, and the rules have been skewed again in favour of the Prem. I would prefer Jed and co to come out and say, that the club is to be run on a much reduced budget using some of the lads from the youth team and the Prem rejects that can be picked up, with a few old pros, rather than shell out on things like Ruddock, players the club can't afford. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 10:19:05 Reality is academy status is not feasible, when you're trying to run a sustainable club...a few years back you needed to spend a mill a season in order to maintain that level. Now it would be more, and the rules have been skewed again in favour of the Prem. Oh aye, it's a pipe dream, but it'd be nice to take some steps towards it, even if they're baby ones. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 10:42:02 People moan about our scouting (and probably rightly so, do we even have a set up?), but, whether through chance or design, we do unearth real gems from time to time. Even our youth system turns up some good players. Bodin went for a fee, Morrison as well. If the Thompson 'twins' stay here and reach their potential we'll have a pair of great investments. The Ken Ryder-led scouting system was made redundant by a certain fellow who is now at Sunderland, preferred to have Phil Spencer cold calling other agents asking about players who might just like to come to Swindon!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 11:05:55 The Ken Ryder-led scouting system was made redundant by a certain fellow who is now at Sunderland, preferred to have Phil Spencer cold calling other agents asking about players who might just like to come to Swindon! Sunderlands scouting system disappeared the day that certain fellow appeared there :hmmm: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 11:26:14 The Ken Ryder-led scouting system was made redundant by a certain fellow who is now at Sunderland, preferred to have Phil Spencer cold calling other agents asking about players who might just like to come to Swindon! For a man who signed so many players, the return we are left with on saleable assets is appalling. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 12:11:10 The Ken Ryder-led scouting system was made redundant by a certain fellow who is now at Sunderland, preferred to have Phil Spencer cold calling other agents asking about players who might just like to come to Swindon! I read this in the Mail(I bleached my eye balls shortly after) but is there any truth in it? I remember a few years ago a lot of effort was put into building up the scouting network and I cant imagine we dropped the whole lot on the say so of our cherished ex-loon. Also talking Youth, has Bodin returned back to work, is he still signed off and ikely to ever return? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 12:21:37 I read this in the Mail(I bleached my eye balls shortly after) but is there any truth in it? Ryder was the only one employed by the club and he was definitely a casualty of the Di Canio invasion and is now at Shrewsbury.I remember a few years ago a lot of effort was put into building up the scouting network and I cant imagine we dropped the whole lot on the say so of our cherished ex-loon. http://thewashbag.com/2011/07/04/not-scouting-for-boys-have-swindon-given-up-signing-young-talent/ and http://en.calameo.com/read/001705068f3bd4655d3dd (skip to p. 38 & 39) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Processed Beats on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 10:49:28 Tweet from Adver Editor:
Gary Lawrence @gazzaloz 4m First meeting with #stfc gen manager Steve Murrall. Didn't introduce himself, threatened me with lawyers and stormed out. So that went well. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 11:13:41 Tweet from Adver Editor: Gary Lawrence @gazzaloz 4m First meeting with #stfc gen manager Steve Murrall. Didn't introduce himself, threatened me with lawyers and stormed out. So that went well. Interesting...probably not happy with a couple of the pieces critical of the Board that have recently appeared. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: phelpsieboy on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 11:26:44 Tweet from Adver Editor: Worse PR skills than David Brent. Gary Lawrence @gazzaloz 4m First meeting with #stfc gen manager Steve Murrall. Didn't introduce himself, threatened me with lawyers and stormed out. So that went well. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 11:35:00 Tweet from Adver Editor: Gary Lawrence @gazzaloz 4m First meeting with #stfc gen manager Steve Murrall. Didn't introduce himself, threatened me with lawyers and stormed out. So that went well. Ah good, legal threats, that's what we like to hear. adamdjohno Club not happy about not having right of reply on today's back page. That's despite refusing to comment three times They're not great at this media lark are they. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 11:36:45 Is he the one that (allegedly) likes a drink and (allegedly) gets a bit lairy in the exec lounge?
Sounds like our current General Manager is equally as welcoming as our last one. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 11:40:05 Is he the one that (allegedly) likes a drink and (allegedly) gets a bit lairy in the exec lounge? Sounds like our current General Manager is equally as welcoming as our last one. It's fantastic, they have had the benefit of the doubt from the Advertiser so far, but cannot see that lasting after this. Jed essentially admitted that some form of exec lounge incident did happen, can't see him being here long. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Stegenfreud on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 11:41:03 Tweet from Adver Editor: Gary Lawrence @gazzaloz 4m First meeting with #stfc gen manager Steve Murrall. Didn't introduce himself, threatened me with lawyers and stormed out. So that went well. :doh: It just never ends.... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 11:50:32 Tweet from Adver Editor: Gary Lawrence @gazzaloz 4m First meeting with #stfc gen manager Steve Murrall. Didn't introduce himself, threatened me with lawyers and stormed out. So that went well. Absolute clown. Yet another PR own goal. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:16:05 Gary Lawrence @gazzaloz 4m First meeting with #stfc gen manager Steve Murrall. Didn't introduce himself, threatened me with lawyers and stormed out. So that went well. Normal service resumed after the Watkins & Wray/Fitton 'blip' then. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: wiggy on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:17:55 They really do need to sort themselves out.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:20:47 I know most of us really appreciated Nick Watkins when he was here but incidents like this just make me miss him even more.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:28:06 Oh dear. And some people wonder why so many of us are so concerned at the ownership/board and running of the club.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: WR5 on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:35:03 As a slight aside his kids get dumped in the Junior Robin room before the game and to be honest they are a right pain in the arse, seen them upset quite a few other kids over the last few months, thats if they are not shouting and screaming at each other.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:38:46 As a slight aside his kids get dumped in the Junior Robin room before the game and to be honest they are a right pain in the arse, seen them upset quite a few other kids over the last few months, thats if they are not shouting and screaming at each other. haha! You couldn't make this stuff up! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:40:08 As a slight aside his kids get dumped in the Junior Robin room before the game and to be honest they are a right pain in the arse, seen them upset quite a few other kids over the last few months, thats if they are not shouting and screaming at each other. Sounds like a right cunt.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:42:46 To be fair kids can be like that. Lets leave them out of it.
Who was it that was alleged to have had a drunken altercation at the Bury match? I genuinely got confused. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: phelpsieboy on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:47:27 To be fair kids can be like that. Lets leave them out of it. I think it was Hooper. But regardless, this board are quite frankly looking like a sitcom right now.Who was it that was alleged to have had a drunken altercation at the Bury match? I genuinely got confused. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: WR5 on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:47:50 To be fair kids can be like that. Lets leave them out of it. Who was it that was alleged to have had a drunken altercation at the Bury match? I genuinely got confused. I agree, thats not really the point I was trying to make, more the fact the are dumped in there unsupervised ( apart from the lady that serves the tea and pop and its not her job). Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:52:29 I think it was Hooper. But regardless, this board are quite frankly looking like a sitcom right now. My Big Fat Gypsy Football Club or The Only Way is Admin? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:54:03 My Big Fat Gypsy Football Club or The Only Way is Admin? Jeddy Shore? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:59:00 Jeddy Shore? More giant tits in this version geordie shore. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 13:27:34 To be fair kids can be like that. Lets leave them out of it. apparently there was an incident at Franchise away in their exec lounge, I heard it second hand mind so that's about all I knowWho was it that was alleged to have had a drunken altercation at the Bury match? I genuinely got confused. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 14:02:50 I agree, thats not really the point I was trying to make, more the fact the are dumped in there unsupervised ( apart from the lady that serves the tea and pop and its not her job). Yeah sorry, I got the point just thought the thread might go off tangent towards family. I'm a bit grumpy on that :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 14:07:37 You're just a grumpy bastard full stop :)
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 14:14:28 The club is turning into a bit of a reality show isn't it? A bit of a shame really after the recent promise. It's going to be an interesting summer anyway, if not from the "build a new squad" front.
I am trying my best not to get upset/wound up by the events that are being reported daily, doing quite well so far. I think it is because I needed a break after this season so it's easier to have a "whatever" attitude at the moment. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 14:24:10 apparently there was an incident at Franchise away in their exec lounge, Some positive news at last... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 14:30:00 I needed a break after this season so it's easier to have a "whatever" attitude at the moment. I'm doing my best to do the same Berni, so much so that Reg has just made me laugh and written something i agree with all at the same time. Some positive news at last... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 14:30:16 You're just a grumpy bastard full stop :) Very true. Getting old. You must remember what that's like! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 15:34:24 The club is turning into a bit of a reality show isn't it? A bit of a shame really after the recent promise. It's going to be an interesting summer anyway, if not from the "build a new squad" front. I'm going to try my best to ignore it, enjoy the good weather (if it comes back) and the Ashes series and then worry about next season when it starts.I am trying my best not to get upset/wound up by the events that are being reported daily, doing quite well so far. I think it is because I needed a break after this season so it's easier to have a "whatever" attitude at the moment. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: london_red on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 16:06:50 I'm going to try my best to ignore it, enjoy the good weather (if it comes back) and the Ashes series and then worry about next season when it starts. Think I'm going to take this approach. Should be a decent football-free sporting summer, let's see where we're at come August. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Stegenfreud on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 16:09:11 I think the ashes could be more fiercely contested than many think. Very much looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 16:19:15 I'm going to try my best to ignore it, enjoy the good weather (if it comes back) and the Ashes series and then worry about next season when it starts. The Ashes doesn't start much before the football season....certainly friendlies will be underway. You'll ned to find some other stuff to fill up the time. How about cycling? Tour of Norway is on atm. Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: otanswell on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 17:01:07 There's another new investor joining.
Me. Ordered myself a nice Audi today, cheers Jed Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 17:48:12 The Ashes doesn't start much before the football season....certainly friendlies will be underway. You'll ned to find some other stuff to fill up the time. How about cycling? Tour of Norway is on atm. Too many hills for my liking. The friendlies won't hold much relevance to me unless the board decide to follow in Uwe Rosler's footsteps and have pre-season in Lillestrøm. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 18:54:30 Too many hills for my liking. The friendlies won't hold much relevance to me unless the board decide to follow in Uwe Rosler's footsteps and have pre-season in Lillestrøm. I wasn't suggesting you ride the Tour of Norway, rather watch it. Think the days of exotic pre-seasons are gone. Be back to the days when Kingy used to take them to Southport. MacDonald might be able to set something up in Brum, a training camp in Tipton, Oldbury or Rowley Regis. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 19:15:48 I wasn't suggesting you ride the Tour of Norway, rather watch it. I'm hoping Norwegian TV will be filling their summer schedule this year with more footage recorded from cameras on top of trains, buses, trams and t-bane around Oslo...it'll save me the ticket feeThink the days of exotic pre-seasons are gone. Be back to the days when Kingy used to take them to Southport. MacDonald might be able to set something up in Brum, a training camp in Tipton, Oldbury or Rowley Regis. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 21:15:46 To be fair kids can be like that. Lets leave them out of it. Who was it that was alleged to have had a drunken altercation at the Bury match? I genuinely got confused. I was told Murrell, but then someone else said Hooper. They all seem on a par to be honest. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 22:09:45 I heard that Murrell twatted Winkelman at Franchise post match.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 22:10:03 Sounds like a right cunt. This. The Ashes doesn't start much before the football season....certainly friendlies will be underway. You'll ned to find some other stuff to fill up the time. How about cycling? Tour of Norway is on atm. 1st test match starts 3rd July and think we'll be into the 4th test by the opening league game weekend (not 100% sure though)...NZ series starts tomorrow, best get that thread started! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 16, 2013, 01:05:54 Very true. Getting old. You must remember what that's like! How very dare you! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Thursday, May 16, 2013, 06:52:50 1st test match starts 3rd July and think we'll be into the 4th test by the opening league game weekend (not 100% sure though)...NZ series starts tomorrow, best get that thread started! Isn't the opening day of the ashes 17th July? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 16, 2013, 08:34:52 This. 1st test match starts 3rd July and think we'll be into the 4th test by the opening league game weekend (not 100% sure though)...NZ series starts tomorrow, best get that thread started! First Test starts on the 10th July....last season we played a second friendly v Bayern Munchen on the 11th. I think my point stands, bit early to be jizzing about the Ashes, and thinking that you can use them as distraction from the close season. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Friday, May 17, 2013, 08:21:12 I heard that Murrell twatted Winkelman at Franchise post match. Oh dear.Thats the problem with this thread,it is full of i heard and apparantly.Most of it from you.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Gibbons on Friday, May 17, 2013, 11:17:29 has somebody been whooshed?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Friday, May 17, 2013, 11:20:44 How?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Friday, May 17, 2013, 11:28:27 Is there such a thing as a double whoosh?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Friday, May 17, 2013, 12:52:08 What do people make of fredis latest musings on thisis?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, May 17, 2013, 12:59:58 muesli
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Friday, May 17, 2013, 13:09:52 What do people make of fredis latest musings on thisis? Edit: found it on the Flint thread! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Friday, May 17, 2013, 13:24:21 Edit: found it on the Flint thread! Its here for those that missed it http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/10425324.Town_turn_down_Flint_offers/ Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, May 17, 2013, 16:24:15 has somebody been whooshed? :nod:Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Friday, May 17, 2013, 20:02:23 Think we are going to do a Pompey, just a matter of when.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, May 17, 2013, 20:22:06 Think we are going to do a Pompey, just a matter of when. Win the FA Cup?Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Friday, May 17, 2013, 20:23:49 Win the FA Cup? i very nearly edited to say minus the success. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, May 17, 2013, 20:32:18 i very nearly edited to say minus the success. we made it to penalties at Griffin Park...Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: london_red on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 10:12:27 A mea culpa on their PR and positive steps on that front. At least they are making an effort. Proof will be in the pudding of what they have to say I guess.
http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/business-plan-evenings-831310.aspx Quote In the 12 weeks since we arrived we have faced a number of challenges, none more-so than our overall communication strategy Quote With this in mind and after reviewing the business to date we will be in a position to directly engage both business groups and the STFC fan-base with our detailed plans for the future of Swindon Town. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 10:18:16 Good first step..
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 10:21:20 I still can't see them recovering from this position.. Oh well, we'll see.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BenTheRed on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 10:51:47 You mean they have a plan? !!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: luckyluke699 on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:00:57 You mean they have a plan? !! Not necessarily, but they have till early July to get one! ;-) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:01:59 You mean they have a plan? !! I think they do. They've taken over a bit of a monster. A club with wages spiralling out of control and on the brink of administration. It seems as if they are trying to do what a number of business are doing, which is cutting costs. Not popular, but unfortunately necessary, unless you have someone constantly bankrolling you.I thought that there were exciting times ahead when we dropped down to L2. I was pleased that we rid ourselves of what I thought was a cancerous set of players that were bleeding the club dry. I didn't realise that what we were doing was replacing them with a number of other mercenaries. I would love to see us do a Yeovil or Crewe and build our own talented squad, but then augment it with a couple of exciting players that could make us more that just competitive. Pipe dream perhaps. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:04:34 I think they do. They've taken over a bit of a monster. A club with wages spiralling out of control and on the brink of administration. It seems as if they are trying to do what a number of business are doing, which is cutting costs. Not popular, but unfortunately necessary, unless you have someone constantly bankrolling you. Finally some fucking common senseI thought that there were exciting times ahead when we dropped down to L2. I was pleased that we rid ourselves of what I thought was a cancerous set of players that were bleeding the club dry. I didn't realise that what we were doing was replacing them with a number of other mercenaries. I would love to see us do a Yeovil or Crewe and build our own talented squad, but then augment it with a couple of exciting players that could make us more that just competitive. Pipe dream perhaps. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:06:28 Good first step.. It's something, but what is needed is a proper open meeting, with questions and answers, with the fans. There's really no need for tickets as Town fans are notoriously apathetic, so they'll be doing well to get 100, let alone 300. Even the Board of SSW, used to do this sort of thing fairly regularly, although of course Diamond Mike was kept in a dark cupboard somewhere. The Adver eventually managed to smoke him out , where we learnt he bought into the club for a £1, for a laugh. They also used to like an open viewing laid on by St Modwen, of their plans for developing the whole CG site (cricket ground, extension, the lot) they'd get 3 men and a dog for these...even the dog was strange. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:10:40 It's something, but what is needed is a proper open meeting, with questions and answers, with the fans. There's really no need for tickets as Town fans are notoriously apathetic, so they'll be doing well to get 100, let alone 300. I may be being thick here reg and don’t mean to sound like I am having a pop but what are you trying to say here?Even the Board of SSW, used to do this sort of thing fairly regularly, although of course Diamond Mike was kept in a dark cupboard somewhere. The Adver eventually managed to smoke him out , where we learnt he bought into the club for a £1, for a laugh. They also used to like an open viewing laid on by St Modwen, of their plans for developing the whole CG site (cricket ground, extension, the lot) they'd get 3 men and a dog for these...even the dog was strange. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:22:21 I may be being thick here reg and don’t mean to sound like I am having a pop but what are you trying to say here? That he would like an open meeting where fans can pose questions etc... oh and something about a strange dog? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:27:31 A mea culpa on their PR and positive steps on that front. At least they are making an effort. Proof will be in the pudding of what they have to say I guess. http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/business-plan-evenings-831310.aspx Agree with this. PR this week has been a lot better to be fair to the board. The only issue being that a lot of the news has been negative. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:28:10 You mean they have a plan? !! Baldrick is their planning advisor !!! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:39:26 I may be being thick here reg and don’t mean to sound like I am having a pop but what are you trying to say here? A step in the right direction, but not what is really needed, that should be a straight open meeting Q and A, get RS and the Adver along, and call it a Fan's Forum. Also by making the comparison to previous Boards with dodgy reputations, I'm trying to point out plans don't always come to fruition, however sexy the drawings, models and power points might be. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: donkey on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 12:06:30 quote author=Reg Smeeton link=topic=51390.msg1197221#msg1197221 date=1369222766]
A step in the right direction, but not what is really needed, that should be a straight open meeting Q and A, get RS and the Adver along, and call it a Fan's Forum. Also by making the comparison to previous Boards with dodgy reputations, I'm trying to point out plans don't always come to fruition, however sexy the drawings, models and power points might be. [/quote] More than one fan should be aloud to turn up though. ;) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 12:55:27 quote author=Reg Smeeton link=topic=51390.msg1197221#msg1197221 date=1369222766] A step in the right direction, but not what is really needed, that should be a straight open meeting Q and A, get RS and the Adver along, and call it a Fan's Forum. Also by making the comparison to previous Boards with dodgy reputations, I'm trying to point out plans don't always come to fruition, however sexy the drawings, models and power points might be. More than one fan should be aloud to turn up though. ;) They can call it a Fans' Forum if they want....one particularly noisy fan would do though ;) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 13:25:37 If fans are allowed to ask questions about the business plan/running of the club, does it make any difference what they call it?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 14:34:25 If fans are allowed to ask questions about the business plan/running of the club, does it make any difference what they call it? We are Swindon, we moan when we want. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 15:27:55 DJ Jed McCoy’s All Night Rave (BYOB)
Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 15:44:49 We are Swindon, we moan when we want. We are Swindon, we moan all the time.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: donkey on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 16:56:15 They can call it a Fans' Forum if they want....one particularly noisy fan would do though ;) I'm surprised you let it pass without comment on my pathetic attempts at quoting! Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:10:28 It needs a snappy title. ROOOOAAAAARRRRR!!! 2013. It would an annual event..a financial appraisal / festival, with a smorgasboard of fun for the family. ROOOOAAAAARRRRR!!! 2014 would be bigger and better, in terms of incompetence and general fuckwittery, and Callum Rice may be able to book Kramer to play live. ROOOOAAAAARRRRR!!! 2015 will see a Q&A with 'loan legend' Des Linton about his highs and lows at Swindon.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:13:51 Did we ever work out who the duck was?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:16:56 Did we ever work out who the duck was? I belive Dr Chang may have had a theory... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:17:50 The mystery, silent 'quacker'.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Drakes Way on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 02:54:21 Definitely a step in the right direction and almost (but not quite) an admission that they have been very poor in the PR area to date.
Seems to me, sitting from afar, that through lack of decent communication they have got themselves into a position with the fan base from which they may never recover. By saying little or nothing they have allowed the rumour mill to go into overdrive and allow whatever good they may be doing (they are after all innocent until proven guilty) to be totally overlooked. The announcement of this meeting is a baby step on the road to redemption but will be useless unless the Board undertake a genuine and sustained effort to communicate with and engage the fan base. J Wray may have had his faults but he seemed to be excellent in that area. If the short term news is bad I, and would think most fans, would rather know than be kept in the dark and if we have to do a couple of years of mid-table consolidation in L1 I can live with that too so long as it means I can still watch Swindon Town FC whenever I am able to make it back to the UK. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: manc_red on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 07:36:40 I belive Dr Chang may have had a theory... a l'orange source? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 09:14:32 Anyone heard of Peter Matthews? Set up a company by the name of Swindon Town Football Club (2013) and promptly changed the name to Weaver Wroot Consultancy Limited.
May or may not have a connection (sorry if already mentioned elsewhere). Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 09:17:51 Anyone heard of Peter Matthews? Set up a company by the name of Swindon Town Football Club (2013) and promptly changed the name to Weaver Wroot Consultancy Limited. May or may not have a connection (sorry if already mentioned elsewhere). http://www.weaverwroot.co.uk/ Chartered Accounting firm in the Grimsby and Lincoln region. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 09:21:38 He appears to be an accountant, so maybe a connection to Crouch?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 09:24:51 http://www.weaverwroot.co.uk/ Chartered Accounting firm in the Grimsby and Lincoln region. He has set up a lot of companies in the last 6 months and is director of them. Who's he connected to though? - that's really what I was querying. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 09:27:01 Could he be the people responsible for the forensic accounting that was mentioned?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 09:28:38 http://www.weaverwroot.co.uk/ Chartered Accounting firm in the Grimsby and Lincoln region. Callum Rice...Bourne Supremacy...he's the Lincs. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 09:31:16 Could he be the people responsible for the forensic accounting that was mentioned? Could be. Why the newco and name change though? To me, it looks like there are a couple of newcos which have been created in the event of a restructure or another sale (just like Swinton Reds 20 Ltd ~ Crouch and Power). Not to say that any of that would be negative, but it does lend itself to the theory that there possibly are more changes to come. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 19:29:45 According to Jed on twitter.....
There's still an NDA in place (I think), Hooper and Rice's departure will be confirmed Monday/Tuesday, other's are close to joining the board, 'fredi' slated Black 3 years ago and they think they know who fredi is. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 19:41:52 According to Jed on twitter..... Fair play to him for answering that guys questions for the past few hours.There's still an NDA in place (I think), Hooper and Rice's departure will be confirmed Monday/Tuesday, other's are close to joining the board, 'fredi' slated Black 3 years ago and they think they know who fredi is. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 21:32:23 New board members leaving already not alarming?
New members to be announced!? excuse me while I yawn and frown. Sack the board! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 21:35:38 New board members leaving already not alarming? New members to be announced!? excuse me while I yawn and frown. Sack the board! Hopefully its a positive step in the I suspect we don't currently have two pennies to rub together, and new directors = new investment. ... hopefully. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 21:41:40 Hopefully its a positive step in the I suspect we don't currently have two pennies to rub together, and new directors = new investment. Positive step will only be temporary.... hopefully. Get these fuckers out. The jokers without the laughs. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 21:53:02 Positive step will only be temporary. Playing Devils advocat who do we replace them with then? baring in mind no other fucker wanted to know a couple of months back.Get these fuckers out. The jokers without the laughs. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 21:56:37 Playing Devils advocat who do we replace them with then? baring in mind no other fucker wanted to know a couple of months back. Exactly Hardly queuing up are they ? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 21:59:53 So we take the only lot who come along? This fucking rabble?
Rip it up and start again. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 22:00:57 So we take the only lot who come along? This fucking rabble? Dissolve the club do you mean?Rip it up and start again. also can't resist posting this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESy-Z8vqMrE Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 22:01:18 So we take the only lot who come along? This fucking rabble? Rip it up and start again. Are you saying re-start bottom tier then? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 22:01:54 Come on mate you know it doesnt work like that.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 22:02:00 I think whoever is in charge of the club i'll always be worried now. After all we all thought we were in pretty safe hands under Black but it turned out the opposite. Sure the last lot weren't dodgy like the ones before them but they certainly didn't run the club as well as we'd hoped.
I know a lot of people have their doubts about Jed and Co but they are basing this partly on postings from "Fredi" who clearly has an his/her own motive and quite possibly wants to turn the fans against the board. And yes the budget has been halved and communication has been shite. We always used to operate on a smaller budget. I don't see any differences with this lot to previous owners we have had in the past. The only thing we won't know is if they are truly dodgy or whether they simply have no financial clout but generally do want to run the club properly. In time we will find out. No point in assuming either way at the moment. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 22:07:24 I don't like this new lot. They stink.
If it meant starting from scratch I'd take it. Clean slate with no ties? Yes please, regardless of what league we play in. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 22:18:23 I don't like this new lot. They stink. If it meant starting from scratch I'd take it. Clean slate with no ties? Yes please, regardless of what league we play in. Really ? Hand on heart ? Honest Injun ? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Saturday, June 1, 2013, 23:03:50 Playing Devils advocat who do we replace them with then? baring in mind no other fucker wanted to know a couple of months back. But was that the case? I thought other parties were interested, but couldn't meet Black's timescales?Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 01:43:45 I don't like this new lot. They stink. :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:If it meant starting from scratch I'd take it. Clean slate with no ties? Yes please, regardless of what league we play in. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 07:56:07 But was that the case? I thought other parties were interested, but couldn't meet Black's timescales? That's what I thought... wonder if they'd still be interested? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 08:21:39 Sure the last lot weren't dodgy like the ones before them but they certainly didn't run the club as well as we'd hoped. Other than Black having disagreements with the way things were going, I don't think they ran it badly. If he hadn't jumped we'd have been fine. Its the same at most other clubs. Its a lot different from being badly run. Maybe one day we'll find a wealthy backer that is willing to back us over a sustained period, but has enough credibility not to set us adrift without care. Lansdown at City type for example. Quote I know a lot of people have their doubts about Jed and Co but they are basing this partly on postings from "Fredi" who clearly has an his/her own motive and quite possibly wants to turn the fans against the board. I can only speak for myself but Fredi's revaluations have been no more than an interesting aside in evaluating the new board. Not going over it all again but briefly from the day Ritfchie was sold, IMHO not trying too hard to keep Paolo and the subsequent media portrayal, the bad PR, delayed embargo lift, and the rumours of financial struggle from a couple of other sources. The cumulation of that had much much more weight than Fredi. Jed seem to be talking a good talk recently so hopefully things are improving. Call me Thomas, but I need proof before belief. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 08:22:20 That's what I thought... wonder if they'd still be interested? This is what I am convinced is going on behind the scenes, played out something like... Black wanted sale or administration at end January some interest but obviously all wanted due diligence etc so couldn't meet deadline. Jed gets wind that debt free club available for nothing, lots of interest but no one else prepared to take risks without studying books. It looks like a quick chance to make a few quid (and I wouldn't begrudge him if he did) by taking over, running on revenue for few months then punting on. But it appears that all manner of nasties have emerged from the books (1950's debts, players sigbed up for new contraxts costing wages and expenses more than 4 times the average in this division- oh and no promotion. It's looking less attractive to new buyers by the day. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 08:28:48 I think you probably have it spot on
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 08:35:12 Not going over it all again but briefly from the day Ritfchie was sold. Wasn't that the Black board anyway after Jeds merry band refused to fund the rest of the season as they didn't have any guarantee that they would be taking over? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 09:15:16 Wasn't that the Black board anyway after Jeds merry band refused to fund the rest of the season as they didn't have any guarantee that they would be taking over? Black stated that he sanctioned the sale, so you're correct.Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 09:19:32 Although far from perfect, Jed & co seem to get a lot of flack for things that weren't actually their doing. I really wonder if the constant sniping and barracking they recieve could deter future investors. There's little money to be made in football and if you end up taking a load of shit, what's the point?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 09:20:05 Quote fredi says... 48 hours later...?8:25am Fri 31 May 13 certain documents will find their way to STFC Trust within 48 hours to support what is explained here. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: cheltred69 on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 09:23:46 I'm not convinced by the argument that Jed saw this as a short-term opportunity to make a few bucks.
More likely that he saw it as a chance to play being a football boss at a bargain price, and was totally naive in not foreseeing that there would be difficult financial issues to deal with along the line. The main reason he prevailed was that he didn't undertake, in advance, the due diligence that others would have wanted - he took a risk, but I'm not convinced it was a calculated one. Now that DD can be done by others, there is no real reason, other than the certainty of being in league 1 next season, why a prospective buyer would not go ahead as much as they would have had Black given time for DD to be completed earlier in the year. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 09:56:36 I think Jed bought first and worried about it later, and it did stop us going into admin and a fire sale. Which is good and hopefully not just a stay of execution.
But it seems the financial planning was a little lacking. Bitten off more than he can chew? Lets see if he can sort it. As it stands what we have seen is cost reduction (necessary), a director shuffleathon and little to no evidence of investment to cover the transition from where we are now onto sustainability. Oh, and I'd say the Ritchie sale was as likely to be to to help the new board fund the club in the interim/help black force through the sale . If it was all Black then the new board shouldn't have agreed to PR saying it was a joint decision. Either way its not the point, more that the board have thus far managed to live off ST sales and the Ritchie money, and this is what causes some concern, which I suppose independently does mirror a bit of what Fredi says - but those worries would be there regadless of Fredi. Anyway roll on July so we get to see the plan. Hopefully that will sort it all (assuming its sound and is executed) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: cheltred69 on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 11:53:04 little to no evidence of investment to cover the transition from where we are now onto sustainability This is the bit that really gives me some concern. Despite all of Jed's optimism that we'll be challenging for promotion again, it may well need some more asset (player) sales to bridge this gap. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 11:59:45 My hunch is that Jed had the promise of investment from another party(ies) and they pulled out. Hence the drastic measures.
The many boardroom changes and the fact he said he had investors who were family people and wanted to remain anonymous, but later on stating he still owns 100% of the holding co. points to this. I think if the deadline had not been so tight it may have been the case that the club didn't actually sell, even to Jed. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 12:14:24 I'm surprised nobody has trawled through obituaries and the like to try and figure out who our potential new owner was. I can't help but wonder what might have happened.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 13:16:42 I'm surprised the trust didn't offer to buy the club debt free for £1 if I'm honest. The more I think about it the more I see it as a golden chance missed.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 13:22:23 I'm surprised the trust didn't offer to buy the club debt free for £1 if I'm honest. The more I think about it the more I see it as a golden chance missed. How would the trust service the ongoing losses? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 13:24:42 How would the trust service the ongoing losses? The same way Jed appears to be, player sales and season ticket sales until things balance out with the cuts being made. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 13:27:28 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 13:27:59 The same way Jed appears to be, player sales and season ticket sales until things balance out with the cuts being made. You are forgetting Jed's loan to the club to keep things going** Where would the trust get that kind of money from. And why would we want the trust running the club anyway? Are they at all qualified for the job? **yeah yeah, I know some people think it is all lies. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 13:34:31 I'm surprised nobody has trawled through obituaries and the like to try and figure out who our potential new owner was. I can't help but wonder what might have happened. This felt a little morbid! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4497034/Millionaire-killed-as-his-500k-Pagani-Zonda-hits-fence.html Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 13:43:05 If the Trust had purchased the club then we'd be a slightly worse position financially right now because the timescales to adhere to at the time would probably have not been possible for a democratic group to achieve. We'd therefore have been placed in Admin first and sold off any sellable player asap. Basically we'd look a bit like Portsmouth. If a few months notice had been given then it might have been possible to achieve the same as the current board managed to achieve. To get a viable club in the hands of the fans would probably need a good 6-12 months of prep to ensure the structure was right, the finances were secured etc.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 14:24:36 I also think a lot of people are misunderstanding the Ritchie money.....
Whatever you may choose to believe about who made the decision to sell, we know the sale was made when Black was still the owner. The proceeds from the Ritchie sale would have gone into the club's coffers when the last lot were in charge. Do people think that when the handover was made Black handed over the club for nothing, wrote of a silly amount of debt AND left Jed et al with a nice gift off 500k (or whatever) from the Ritchie money to tide them over? I think that is highly unlikely. What's more like is that the new lot had to cover running losses their selves. How would an organisation like the trust manage to do this? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: pauld on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 14:39:07 I also think a lot of people are misunderstanding the Ritchie money..... It was said at the time by Watkins that selling Ritchie would enable the club to keep running (i.e. cover losses) until the end of the season. So unless you think Watkins was lying, it's not "highly unlikely" it's what happened. After the end of the season of course they've had the season ticket money to cover the running costs. If there is to be a crunch it will come in the autumn when that runs out and the general revenue streams don't match the ongoing running costs. So they've got between now and then to find someone to buy it off them, find a source of investment to cover the losses or increase the revenue streams/cut the costs so the two are a bit closer to matching. An organisation like the Trust would manage to keep the club running by doing much the same, I'd imagine.Whatever you may choose to believe about who made the decision to sell, we know the sale was made when Black was still the owner. The proceeds from the Ritchie sale would have gone into the club's coffers when the last lot were in charge. Do people think that when the handover was made Black handed over the club for nothing, wrote of a silly amount of debt AND left Jed et al with a nice gift off 500k (or whatever) from the Ritchie money to tide them over? I think that is highly unlikely. What's more like is that the new lot had to cover running losses their selves. How would an organisation like the trust manage to do this? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 14:42:20 You are forgetting Jed's loan to the club to keep things going** Where would the trust get that kind of money from. And why would we want the trust running the club anyway? Are they at all qualified for the job? **yeah yeah, I know some people think it is all lies. I see no reason why the monthly losses could not be covered by season ticket sales and the Ritchie sale until the books are balanced. I don't believe Jed has loaned anything because I don't think it was needed given this sort of money coming in along with the imminent sale of Flint. I don't see why the trust taking the club over when Black wanted out wouldn't have been viable. I'm not saying they would be qualified but it seems as though fan ownership is the way forward. At least we'd trust the correct intentions are there. In the future the trust could have looked to have sold shares to investors, people like Jed who may think there's a few quid to be made, but only up to 49% of the club ala Dortmund. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 14:50:06 How would we feel about this sort of arrangement?
Quote from: BBC FOOTBALL GOSSIP PAGE Napoli chairman Aurelio De Laurentiis says he wants to buy an English club and install Edoardo Reja as manager in a similar arrangement to Udinese's relationship with Championship side Watford. http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/serie_a/napoli/2013/06/01-264363/De+Laurentiis%3A+%26%23171%3BPrender%26%23242%3B+squadra+inglese+per+Reja%26%23187%3B - in italian... Would be weird, not for me I don't think although there would no doubt be some gifted players on show. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 14:55:12 Parler Anglais?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:03:21 It was said at the time by Watkins that selling Ritchie would enable the club to keep running (i.e. cover losses) until the end of the season. So unless you think Watkins was lying, it's not "highly unlikely" it's what happened. After the end of the season of course they've had the season ticket money to cover the running costs. If there is to be a crunch it will come in the autumn when that runs out and the general revenue streams don't match the ongoing running costs. So they've got between now and then to find someone to buy it off them, find a source of investment to cover the losses or increase the revenue streams/cut the costs so the two are a bit closer to matching. An organisation like the Trust would manage to keep the club running by doing much the same, I'd imagine. I know Watkins said that and I don't think he was lying at all. I know that Black was no longer willing to fund the club and that the sale of Ritchie was done to continue funding the club until the end of the season. But that was the Black administration and the money from Ritchie would have kept the club afloat while Black was still in charge. The proceeds from the sale would have gone into Andrew Black's account so that ANDREW BLACK had funds to cover the losses until the end of the season. Do we think that Andrew Black handed over the Ritchie Money to the new lot? Why would Andrew Black be willing to effectively continue funding the club after he had sold it, especially considering he was so keen to stop funding it in the first place? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:11:41 The money would have gone in to the clubs account, not Andrew Black's and the chances of him taking that out contrary to Nick Watkins claims is slim. It was quite clearly said it covered the ongoing monthly losses until the end of the season because Andrew Black was no longer prepared to fund this.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:13:57 The money would have gone in to the clubs account, not Andrew Black's and the chances of him taking that out contrary to Nick Watkins claims is slim. I know that. I underestimated how pedantic some people may be. The point remains. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:20:28 It was quite clearly said it covered the ongoing monthly losses until the end of the season because Andrew Black was no longer prepared to fund this. It doesn't say that here. Quote “Luckily we were successful in identifying new owners to take over the majority shareholding of the club but there is now a short period of time between the transaction and the Football League agreeing to the owners and directors tests. “During that time there is a requirement to fund the club and it was agreed between the current shareholders and the prospective new shareholders that the way to achieve that was to accept an offer from AFC Bournemouth from Matt Ritchie. It quite clearly says funding was required for the period during the takeover. http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10200710.Why_we_had_to_sell_Ritchie/ But that's besides the point anyway. Do people think that when Jed et al took over the club they had access to money from the Ritchie sale so they could pay the bills? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:23:28 I do.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:24:32 And again here:
Quote “It was a tangible cash offer and that cash allowed the club to continue in a solvent state until this consortium took over. http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/10247686._We_had_to_sell_Ritchie_to_keep_the_club_alive_/?ref=rss Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:25:44 I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. Are you suggesting that the 450k covered the period during the takeover only and no money was left over from it?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:28:00 It's reasonable to think Black decided to take the Ritchie dosh, he was writing off a huge amount of debt after all, but I just don't think that's what happened based on what Watkins said and even Black himself on Twitter.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:30:38 I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. Are you suggesting that the 450k covered the period during the takeover only and no money was left over from it? No. I'm suggesting that money was left over but am questioning why Andrew Black would choose to leave that balance on the books to continue funding the club when the takeover was complete. Why would he agree to continue funding the club once he no longer owned it? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:32:37 It's reasonable to think Black decided to take the Ritchie dosh, he was writing off a huge amount of debt after all, but I just don't think that's what happened based on what Watkins said and even Black himself on Twitter. Where did Watkins say the money was to fund the club until the end of the season? I've looked but can't find it. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:33:52 No. Why would he walk away with the change from the sale of a player that was contracted to the club?I'm suggesting that money was left over but am questioning why Andrew Black would choose to leave that balance on the books to continue funding the club when the takeover was complete. Why would he agree to continue funding the club once he no longer owned it? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:38:25 I don't have the article to hand but it seems to be the general consensus of what was said unless the vast majority of people have either horribly misunderstood or remembered wrong.
I also thought Black said something similar on Twitter. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:40:02 Why would he walk away with the change from the sale of a player that was contracted to the club? Because he owned the club at the time of the sale and it was therefore his money? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:40:40 Reading through some of Black's old tweets to try and find some clarification there....just read again that when the other backers pulled out and he had to "stand alone" it was when the club had just been relegated to League 2. His timing may not have been quite as bad as first thought.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:47:21 Because he owned the club at the time of the sale and it was therefore his money? I know that he could but if he was willing to plug the gap for so long, walk away waiving debt he owed, why would he bother with the Ritchie fee? It doesn't really make sense to me that he'd waive any debt but trouser a few thousand on the sale of a player. It's fairly obvious that his intentions were to stop wasting his own money and nothing whatsoever to do with making money out of the club.I don't really see why it's relevant either who funded the club during that period, it's of more concern who is actually running the club at the present moment. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:51:23 Black's tweets are actually fairly open to interpretation. The simple fact is no one knows for sure. But looking through tweets and old articles I still don't think Black took this out, it was simply a case that he wasn't putting any more in to cover costs.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 15:55:00 I don't really see why it's relevant either who funded the club during that period, it's of more concern who is actually running the club at the present moment. Just trying to question the notion that the new board came in and had no losses to cover because they had the money from the Matt Ritchie transfer at their disposal. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 16:09:20 Anyway, it was just a thought bought about by the idea that the trust could have taken over for a quid. That would only have been possible if there was no need to cover losses, at least until the budget could be reduced.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 16:11:36 On another note, I stumbled across this while digging about:
Quote Swindon inserted sell-on and promotion clauses into the winger’s contract at Dean Court, although the finer details remain unclear. http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10200710.Why_we_had_to_sell_Ritchie/ Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 16:13:39 Even with the pending Flint Sale and season ticket Sales I think there's enough to bridge the gap until the budget comes down in the "If the trust took over" scenario.
I stand by that we missed a golden opportunity for the fans to own debt free Swindon Town Football Club. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 16:17:30 To add to that, even then you have the option of selling investment. If the fans owned 100% of STFC there would be a chance to sell 49% of shares in STFC to investors in future, to help with further investment whilst still maintaining control the the club.
It's a chance we may never get again. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 16:35:50 To add to that, even then you have the option of selling investment. If the fans owned 100% of STFC there would be a chance to sell 49% of shares in STFC to investors in future, to help with further investment whilst still maintaining control the the club. So what are you going to do about thatIt's a chance we may never get again. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 16:36:05 To put it into perspective, the Trust can't afford to issue membership cards, seem incapable of communicating effectively with members and hold open meetings where matters discussed are not to be divulged publicly.
I'd love to see STFC owned by fans, via the Trust or any other body, but there is no way in hell they're in a position to run the club at present. We're all to blame for resting on our laurels whilst the Fitton/Wray sun shone brightly... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 16:47:01 I agree Sonic (and RobT), I think the Trust could take over at some point, but not immediately or even in the short term. I am not sure it would be the best option anyway without investors also on board, and I say that as a supporter of the Trust and the whole necessity of having one.
The Ritchie sale was surely solely to keep the club going regardless of how you interpret it - Black/old board thinking it needed doing as no sale was coming, or Black selling to give the new board more time. Either way I can't see it being a personal money making exercise. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: TungstenCarbide on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 16:49:42 We probably have missed the one real opportunity the Trust has had to have bought the club outright.
I desperately want to believe in Jed and his band of geeeeeezers but if something smells this fishy for this long you'd normally either chuck it in the bin or send it to the clinic. I am almost still inclined to give Lee Mack/Jed the benefit of the doubt and see what new faces sign this summer; if it is just unproven kids then we do need to panic about the motives/backing of our new owners. In the long term I'd be happy with being league 2 dross and fan owned rather than feel this unsettled about the club I love. Prove me wrong fatman... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 16:58:06 The Ritchie sale was surely solely to keep the club going regardless of how you interpret it - Black/old board thinking it needed doing as no sale was coming, or Black selling to give the new board more time. Either way I can't see it being a personal money making exercise. I wasn't suggesting it was a money making exercise. I just can't imagine the likelihood of picking up a business for a quid, it's assets and a fat wad of cash to pay the bills for a while. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:07:53 So what are you going to do about that Go back in time, join the trust and suggest contacting Andrew Black about taking over for a quid? I really don't know anything can be done. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:12:02 Go back in time, join the trust and suggest contacting Andrew Black about taking over for a quid? I really don't know anything can be done. Do you think the FL would approve the takeover? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:15:47 I wasn't suggesting it was a money making exercise. I just can't imagine the likelihood of picking up a business for a quid, it's assets and a fat wad of cash to pay the bills for a while. It was a joint decision wasn't it? Black sanctioned the sale because it prevented him from having to chuck in another £500,000 in January. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: cheltred69 on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:16:48 I can't see we'll ever know the full details of the sale, but I must admit the Flasheart version isn't one that had crossed my mind.
I assumed that Black agreed to write off all of the club's debts to him and then to sell the club and all of its assets at the time of agreement. He wasn't prepared to loan or gift the club anything more but nor was he looking to liquidate any of the assets so he could away with proceeds. If the sale had completed before the end of Jan then Jedco would have had Ritchie, so it seems reasonable to assume that when the sale of the club actually completed they had access to whatever was remaining from proceeds of that asset sale. Also, when was it said that Jed has loaned anything to the club? I must have missed this. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:19:32 It was a joint decision wasn't it? Black sanctioned the sale because it prevented him from having to chuck in another £500,000 in January. It as a joint decisions yeah. I just....... never mind. I think I've sort of forgotten the point I was trying to make now anyway. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:23:07 Also, when was it said that Jed has loaned anything to the club? I must have missed this. Q: How has the reported £1.2 million shortfall following the withdrawal of Andrew Black’s funding been covered for this season? A: Investment. --------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Is the investment in equity or by way of a loan? A: An interest-free loan. http://www.truststfc.com/2013/05/trust-stfc-reaction-re-jed-mccrory-answers-to-fans-questions/ Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:27:05 It as a joint decisions yeah. I just....... never mind. I think I've sort of forgotten the point I was trying to make now anyway. You mean why would Black sell for £1 but leave £500k in the bank? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:29:05 You mean why would Black sell for £1 but leave £500k in the bank? Something like that yeah. Why leave that behind for other people that are nothing to do with him. But then both parties may have agreed to it at the time and I may be talking out of my arse, wouldn't be the first time ;) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:34:09 But hopefully the last. We deal with facts around here and not speculation.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:36:14 We deal with facts around here and not speculation. Well that's a new development. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:51:13 Why can't you be more like Dr Pierre Chang?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 17:53:17 I don't have the sources.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: dalumpimunki on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 18:21:19 Why are people assuming that the Ritchie deal left the club with £500k in the bank at the end of January.
How many football transfers are done cash up-front? Not many. Anyone know if there was a sell-on clause when we bought him from Pompey? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 18:29:45 Why are people assuming that the Ritchie deal left the club with £500k in the bank at the end of January. How many football transfers are done cash up-front? Not many. Watkins (I think) said something about this deal being the best in terms of cash up front compared to the higher offers that came in. Doesn't invalidate your point, but the club were desperate for cash rather than IOUs. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: cheltred69 on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 19:09:07 I recall that the reason given for the apparently low fee was that it was cash up-front.
Also think it was reported that Pompey had sell-on clause that took up some of the fee. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 22:09:19 Watkins (I think) said something about this deal being the best in terms of cash up front compared to the higher offers that came in. Doesn't invalidate your point, but the club were desperate for cash rather than IOUs. Bournemouth do seem like a 'cash-rich' club these days. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 2, 2013, 23:24:45 Do you think the FL would approve the takeover? I think so. Despite the trust having no money the FL approval seems to be mainly down to ensuring a bunch of crooks aren't going to take over. You'd be hard pressed to not sanction a fan takeover. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, June 3, 2013, 07:43:55 Q: How has the reported £1.2 million shortfall following the withdrawal of Andrew Black’s funding been covered for this season? A: Investment. --------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Is the investment in equity or by way of a loan? A: An interest-free loan. http://www.truststfc.com/2013/05/trust-stfc-reaction-re-jed-mccrory-answers-to-fans-questions/ Wonga.com then. Interest free for a month, then.... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 08:43:47 Something like that yeah. Why leave that behind for other people that are nothing to do with him. But then both parties may have agreed to it at the time and I may be talking out of my arse, wouldn't be the first time ;) My reading of it is this. The Club had a shortfall of income to it's expenditure, which Black was under writing each month. From the end of January (the end of the financial year) he was no longer to prepared to do this. So, with the Takeover (or even Takeovers at that stage) not looking like they would be completed by Jan 31st, he sanctioned sale of Ritchie for cut price deal, on condition that the cash was paid up front. This money (minus presumably what Pompey got) was to to cover the monthly short fall until the new lot took over, and avoid administration. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, June 3, 2013, 09:00:08 From the end of January (the end of the financial year) Is the end of the financial year not 31st March? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 09:10:15 My mistake, I pay my tax at the end of Jan, hence my monday morning confusion. Still think this is what happened with the Ritchie sale though.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, June 3, 2013, 09:36:07 "Troy Archibald.H @SlimBiscuit5 Protected account 3m
So I've basically just been left to rehab myself now" Real professional outfit this lot. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 3, 2013, 09:43:58 "Troy Archibald.H @SlimBiscuit5 Protected account 3m So I've basically just been left to rehab myself now" Real professional outfit this lot. Ok, so that is worrying. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Monday, June 3, 2013, 09:59:38 Wasn't the Richie money to see us through until the end of the season?
I'm sure that is what was implied at the time. This new lot didn't do their homework whenever they took over. They couldn't carry on as they originally thought hence why keeps changing. I hopefully the trust are actually planning something. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:00:21 Wasn't the Richie money to see us through until the end of the season? I don'tI'm sure that is what was implied at the time. This new lot didn't do their homework whenever they took over. They couldn't carry on as they originally thought hence why keeps changing. I hopefully the trust are actually planning something. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:02:57 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:04:56 I don't Out of interest why not? I know we'd all like to have a Swindon loving billionaire in charge, but with that not looking likely why would fan ownership be worse than our current options? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:05:27 Why? Someone mentioned already, they can't even afford to produce membership cards. I don't see what they could bring to the table. I have no issue with them but they only ever seem to want answers but never seem to produce anything that is of benefit to the club. May be wrong but just the way it comes acrossTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:06:21 Out of interest why not? I know we'd all like to have a Swindon loving billionaire in charge, but with that not looking likely why would fan ownership be worse than our current options? Apart from communication though I don't see what the Trust would do this summer that would be different from this lotTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:07:25 Someone mentioned already, they can't even afford to produce membership cards. I don't see what they could bring to the table. I have no issue with them but they only ever seem to want answers but never seem to produce anything that is of benefit to the club. May be wrong but just the way it comes across You talk about 'they' as if it's some shadowy group. It's really not, they is 'us', fans of the club. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:08:37 Apart from communication though I don't see what the Trust would do this summer that would be different from this lot That's probably fair. But at least there would not be the constant suspicion (possibly unfair) that the owners are just in it to feather their own nests. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:10:23 You talk about 'they' as if it's some shadowy group. It's really not, they is 'us', fans of the club. True but I am not part of the trust.Just a term I useTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:19:07 You talk about 'they' as if it's some shadowy group. It's really not, they is 'us', fans of the club. Indeed although having clandestine conversations with Wray doesn't help transparency does it, although possibly not their fault. Has anyone established why Wray had started cosying up to the Trust. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:23:05 Indeed although having clandestine conversations with Wray doesn't help transparency does it, although possibly not their fault. Has anyone established why Wray had started cosying up to the Trust. Are you referring to the stuff Wray said at the AGM (which I didn't attend) which he asked not to be minuted? Though not ideal, it's hardly clandestine if it was said at an open advertised public meeting that anyone could attend is it? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:23:54 Indeed although having clandestine conversations with Wray doesn't help transparency does it, although possibly not their fault. Indeed.Has anyone established why Wray had started cosying up to the Trust. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:25:19 Are you referring to the stuff Wray said at the AGM (which I didn't attend) which he asked not to be minuted? Though not ideal, it's hardly clandestine if it was said at an open advertised public meeting that anyone could attend is it? It's clandestine enough. Why can't the rest of us know? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:29:21 It's clandestine enough. Why can't the rest of us know? I wasn't there so I've no idea what was said. But I'd imagine that, like any of us, Wray is more happy to say things about what went on with his former employers (if that's the correct term) in an informal meeting in a pub that he wouldn't want printed officially in public record. If I was in the pub with you lot now, I'd be happy to tell you stuff about my work that I'm not prepared to put on here, and unlike Wray, it wouldn't even by my real name linked to it. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:32:03 Are you referring to the stuff Wray said at the AGM (which I didn't attend) which he asked not to be minuted? Though not ideal, it's hardly clandestine if it was said at an open advertised public meeting that anyone could attend is it? I would not disagree, just seems a little odd to agree to it. I think the bigger problem is the fact that they have absolutely no financial backing, therefore I don't really see the difference between one pennyless group and another leading the club. I would be surprised if any Trust Officer would want to take the risk of a statutory role at the club anyway? From experience of dealing with voluntary organisations there is a big danger of factionisation and cliches anyway which would worry me unless a firm structure was achieved. I support the Trust (or any other fans group) but just don't see how a group of <1000 people paying a fiver a year can ever consider taking a club with a payroll of £4.5m+ on. The best I would hope for is some form of supporter representation? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:33:19 But I'd imagine that, like any of us, Wray is more happy to say things about what went on with his former employers (if that's the correct term) in an informal meeting in a pub that he wouldn't want printed officially in public record. Like how he sanctioned a salary of between £4 and 8k a week for a player who the manager had little intention of playing! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 10:44:46 I would not disagree, just seems a little odd to agree to it. I think the bigger problem is the fact that they have absolutely no financial backing, therefore I don't really see the difference between one pennyless group and another leading the club. I would be surprised if any Trust Officer would want to take the risk of a statutory role at the club anyway? From experience of dealing with voluntary organisations there is a big danger of factionisation and cliches anyway which would worry me unless a firm structure was achieved. I support the Trust (or any other fans group) but just don't see how a group of <1000 people paying a fiver a year can ever consider taking a club with a payroll of £4.5m+ on. The best I would hope for is some form of supporter representation? The best scenario (a Dave Whelan style mega rich mega committed fan turning up aside) for me is the Trust (IE the fans) owning a 51% stake in the club, and some other individual or company with a bit of cash, owning the other 49%. Not likely I know. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Monday, June 3, 2013, 12:20:08 Someone mentioned already, they can't even afford to produce membership cards. I don't see what they could bring to the table. I have no issue with them but they only ever seem to want answers but never seem to produce anything that is of benefit to the club. May be wrong but just the way it comes across They'd bring their undoubted support of STFC to the table,the guarantee that they want the best for the club. No money,granted but i aint seen anything from this ever changing lot with regards to funds either.I'd rather have a skint club ran within its means than a group of chancers with no ties to the club but with no real plan it would appear either. They are making it up as they go along. They cannot guarantee that the well being of STFC is their main agenda(its almost certain that it isn't) People slating the Trust regarding Wrays comments could have been there themselves. And if that's a problem then what about the continual contradictory bullshit Jed spouts? The clear as mud 1 word answers that took weeks to prepare? The rubbish about money available? etc,etc,etc.. If anyone is keeping stuff from fans it's the board of STFC. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, June 3, 2013, 13:04:53 People slating the Trust regarding Wrays comments could have been there themselves. And if that's a problem then what about the continual contradictory bullshit Jed spouts? The clear as mud 1 word answers that took weeks to prepare? The rubbish about money available? etc,etc,etc.. If anyone is keeping stuff from fans it's the board of STFC. People aren't slating the Trust at all, just making the point that proclaiming themselves as a democratic organisation that represents the fans and then effectively excluding those who can't make weekday evening meetings is not a great start. I hope the Trust goes from strength to strength and can move further than it did during the Diamandis era. I'd love to see the club owned, either partially or fully, by a fans organisation and that has to be the long term goal of the Trust. I don't think it's so much that Jed contradicts himself, it's just that the club as a whole are communicating very little (although this has improved a bit now) and our chairman only makes it worse by being incredibly vague and allowing himself to get drawn into arguments on social media. Basically, nobody comes out of it with any credit. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Monday, June 3, 2013, 13:19:24 People aren't slating the Trust at all, just making the point that proclaiming themselves as a democratic organisation that represents the fans and then effectively excluding those who can't make weekday evening meetings is not a great start. I hope the Trust goes from strength to strength and can move further than it did during the Diamandis era. I'd love to see the club owned, either partially or fully, by a fans organisation and that has to be the long term goal of the Trust. I don't think it's so much that Jed contradicts himself, it's just that the club as a whole are communicating very little (although this has improved a bit now) and our chairman only makes it worse by being incredibly vague and allowing himself to get drawn into arguments on social media. Basically, nobody comes out of it with any credit. People have been critical of the trust since that meeting due to them not knowing what Wray said. I agree that it isn't exactly a positive thing but it's not really important with things going forward. I pretty much agree with everything else you say except that i think Jed does contradict himself. No more so than his ridiculous statement about the amount of funds that would be available(how wrong was that?) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, June 3, 2013, 13:22:50 People have been critical of the trust since that meeting due to them not knowing what Wray said. I agree that it isn't exactly a positive thing but it's not really important with things going forward. I pretty much agree with everything else you say except that i think Jed does contradict himself. No more so than his ridiculous statement about the amount of funds that would be available(how wrong was that?) The issue that I have is that subsequent to that meeting I've seen nothing from the Trust that has been particularly encouraging - they sensibly chose not to pressure the board during the play-offs but since then we've had a few statements reacting to events and that's it. I forgot about that comment from Jed but I didn't believe it the first time I heard it either. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, June 3, 2013, 13:31:30 You talk about 'they' as if it's some shadowy group. It's really not, they is 'us', fans of the club. Exactly and if the trust were taking over you would see their membership increase tenfold almost instantly. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, June 3, 2013, 13:40:40 i think Jed does contradict himself. No more so than his ridiculous statement about the amount of funds that would be available(how wrong was that?) Absolutely. Saying funds available would be "relatively similar" followed by cutting the budget in half....not sure how anyone can see that as anything other than a contradiction. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, June 3, 2013, 13:52:34 But I'd imagine that, like any of us, Wray is more happy to say things about what went on with his former employers (if that's the correct term) in an informal meeting in a pub that he wouldn't want printed officially in public record. I hardly think that the Trust AGM constitutes "an informal meeting in a pub" If it does, then they are clearly as Mickey Mouse as they currently appear Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 3, 2013, 14:25:09 At least this fella didn't try to buy us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22755197 Oldham fans should be very worried, this guy is pretty dodgy I believe. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, June 3, 2013, 15:31:42 Exactly and if the trust were taking over you would see their membership increase tenfold almost instantly. Sorry but I think you are wrong We struggled to get the membership base upto a 1000 during the dark days of Diamandis and only by offering membership for £1.00 did we manage to achieve anywhere near that. For fans representation you need volume, not a majority maybe, but certainly more than 15% Swindon fans, even when faced with the real threat of foreclosure of the club are, at the end of the day, an apathetic bunch. Far to apathetic for a fans takeover. The hard work should have been done when Fitton et al first came in, but I am sure there were many like me that just wanted to enjoy a debt free ride for a little while Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, June 3, 2013, 15:42:19 I agree with you on the whole we are an apathetic bunch, but the gimmick of people feeling like they own a piece of the club would pull people in.
As sad as it is, I don't honestly think any of the more casual fans understood what was happening under the Diamandis era. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, June 3, 2013, 15:46:50 I agree with you on the whole we are an apathetic bunch, but the gimmick of people feeling like they own a piece of the club would pull people in. The closest we got was during the protracted Bill Power bid; the majority of fans thought it was 'upsetting the applecart' and that fans should just support the team and shut up.As sad as it is, I don't honestly think any of the more casual fans understood what was happening under the Diamandis era. Sadly we were a very very small minority and it was incredibly difficult to get through to a large portion of fans who simply don't have a clue what is happening off the pitch. I doubt that has changed much. edit: majority is perhaps an overstatement but we did get a fair bit of abuse from what I remember! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, June 3, 2013, 15:51:05 They all got a nice free orange hat in return for joining
Cheap at half the price Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, June 3, 2013, 15:52:58 Sadly we were a very very small minority and it was incredibly difficult to get through to a large portion of fans who simply don't have a clue what is happening off the pitch. Or really care Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, June 3, 2013, 16:07:35 I think Jed's very public PR cock ups plus the arrival of Twitter means more fans are aware of people behind the scenes, which really is a joke as Diamandis was a real crook.
Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Monday, June 3, 2013, 16:16:16 Most fans are probably only interested in the playing side of the club. Which is hardly surprising, as that's why we got interested in the first place.
Would the most vocal of the fanbase, currently looking at every little thing the current board are up to be as equally critical of a bunch of equally amateur, however well meaning, group of fans, if the trust took control? And what, if anything, could the trust do differently? As previously stated, the only way fans could have control would be if it was gifted and I can't see that happening. As it stands the trust are a noisy, yet ultimately insignificant group. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 16:48:55 Can we have a, admittedly, non scientific, poll on the site? With the following option?
Are you in favour of fan ownership of Swindon Town FC? A) Yes, the fans should have complete control B) Yes, the fans should have some control C) No, the fans should be in the stands not the board room D) I honestly don't care, I just want to watch the games. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, June 3, 2013, 17:21:25 With this board A, even a board everyone trusts B.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, June 3, 2013, 17:37:54 Can we have a, admittedly, non scientific, poll on the site? With the following option? You could always set one up. Instead of 'new topic' you choose the 'post new poll' option. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Monday, June 3, 2013, 17:38:00 As it stands the fans are a noisy, yet ultimately insignificant group. Corrected that for you. It's fine if you're happy with that state of affairs, but if anyone does want to see fans have an involvement in the running of the club then the Trust is the vehicle for that. And the Trust can only get more active, more vocal, better at stating its aims and better at ensuring those aims match those of a wide cross-section of the fanbase if more people join, and join in. It really isn't a secret society and this isn't The X Files, membership is open to everyone and they would welcome all the help they can get. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Monday, June 3, 2013, 17:39:11 B.
The Bundesliga pisses all over the Premier League for precisely this reason. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: otanswell on Monday, June 3, 2013, 17:42:04 Indeed although having clandestine conversations with Wray doesn't help transparency does it, although possibly not their fault. Has anyone established why Wray had started cosying up to the Trust. Didn't they have random meetings in the Glue pot? A few people I know where there at the time and he was very open about stuff, perhaps too open Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 18:15:30 You could always set one up. Instead of 'new topic' you choose the 'post new poll' option. I had no idea such wonders were possible, have done so. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: theakston2k on Monday, June 3, 2013, 18:28:16 B for me, something similar to the Bundesliga would be ideal as doesn't prevent outside investment.
If the FA/Football League were serious about safeguarding the future of clubs I would have thought they'd insist on some form of trustee system as part of the fit and proper person process. If any incoming owner had to allow some form of elected club supporter onto the board to it might deter some of the more dodgy characters. Unfortunately footballs purely driven by the Premier League in this country and there's no way the likes of Abramovic would allow anything like this too happen. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Monday, June 3, 2013, 20:45:15 The bundesliga argument fucks me off.They get more outside help than any other league
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, June 3, 2013, 21:21:04 The bundesliga argument fucks me off.They get more outside help than any other league Plus plenty of lower league German clubs are in serious financial shit, its far from the idea setup some think (excluding the big clubs) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 3, 2013, 22:41:43 It's worth noting Exeter City are currently happily bouncing between Leagues 1 & 2 whilst being fan owned and self sufficient, with average attendances far lower than ours
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, June 3, 2013, 23:08:47 It really isn't a secret society Sorry but after the Jeremy Wray business you are going to have to work harder than that to convince me (and a fair few others I suspect) otherwise Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 04:33:02 It's worth noting Exeter City are currently happily bouncing between Leagues 1 & 2 whilst being fan owned and self sufficient, with average attendances far lower than ours You kind of answered your own point there. Do we want a yo yo lower league club with small attendances? I would suggest that most supporters wouldn't.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 04:49:55 It's worth noting Exeter City are currently happily bouncing between Leagues 1 & 2 whilst being fan owned and self sufficient, with average attendances far lower than ours You kind of answered your own point there. Do we want a yo yo lower league club with small attendances? I would suggest that most supporters wouldn't. I suspect that as many of our fans are disgusted that the board are trying to get the payroll down to 'only' £4.5m that a quite substantial reality check would be needed to reach this level. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 06:49:33 I see the tickets for the concerts still aren't up for sale and some of the acts are still to be conformed - oh dear. Story in todays Adver but can't find a link.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 07:46:58 Sorry but after the Jeremy Wray business you are going to have to work harder than that to convince me (and a fair few others I suspect) otherwise Nah, you're alright, believe what you want. I assume the 'Jeremy Ray business' is him speaking as a member at the Trust AGM that was expressly open to non- members as well as members to ensure that absolutely anyone who was interested could attend (midweek travel issues notwithstanding). How many secret societies have an AGM and open it to everyone? The club certainly doesn't. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 07:52:48 Nah, you're alright, believe what you want. I assume the 'Jeremy Ray business' is him speaking as a member at the Trust AGM that was expressly open to non- members as well as members to ensure that absolutely anyone who was interested could attend (midweek travel issues notwithstanding). How many secret societies have an AGM and open it to everyone? The club certainly doesn't. I don't have any gripe with the Trust meetings, didn't make it myself but thats because a 414 mile round trip didn't appeal. I think the complaint is more to do with the fact that Wray attended and then asked for his discussions to be kept private, would this have been afforded to another Trust member and frankly if you have something to say man, say it - to me it just (from the outside and thus not knowing what was said) looks like someone trying to use the Trust to stir things up! My main gripe is that if Wray thought the Trust was such a great things why did he not engage with them when he had real power to make a difference, again he may have explained this at the meeting but again it all looks a little like a token gesture or an attempt to use the Trust to gripe against new owners. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 08:09:52 I don't have any gripe with the Trust meetings, didn't make it myself but thats because a 414 mile round trip didn't appeal. I think the complaint is more to do with the fact that Wray attended and then asked for his discussions to be kept private, would this have been afforded to another Trust member and frankly if you have something to say man, say it - to me it just (from the outside and thus not knowing what was said) looks like someone trying to use the Trust to stir things up! My main gripe is that if Wray thought the Trust was such a great things why did he not engage with them when he had real power to make a difference, again he may have explained this at the meeting but again it all looks a little like a token gesture or an attempt to use the Trust to gripe against new owners. I understand your concerns in the final paragraph, but only Jeremy Wray could answer those questions. From the Trust's perspective, however, it surely makes sense to welcome someone into the membership who has experience of not just running a football club but running our football club. And in my opinion (although it's clear not everyone will agree with me) running it well. As for whether discretion would have been afforded to any member who asked for it, I rather think it would. Not every word of an open floor discussion can realistically be minuted anyway. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 08:12:49 Also should mention that Wray did engage in meetings with the Trust while chairman, although the main point of contact was Nick Watkins.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 08:16:21 Also should mention that Wray did engage in meetings with the Trust while chairman, although the main point of contact was Nick Watkins. Thanks for clarifying that. On another point, and apologies for the bombardment of questions, can you say whether the Trust have received any documentation from the mysterious Fredi? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 08:26:00 I'm afraid I don't know. I will try to ask around. I'm interested too...
Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: HexstaticSTFC on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 08:42:19 You kind of answered your own point there. Do we want a yo yo lower league club with small attendances? I would suggest that most supporters wouldn't. We have a lot more than Exeter. Average last year 4784. We average 8963 in L1, if in the championship i reckon 10,000 would be achievable. what's to say we can't yo yo between L1 and the championship under fan ownership? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 08:45:04 We have a lot more than Exeter. Average last year 4784. We average 8963 in L1, if in the championship i reckon 10,000 would be achievable. what's to say we can't yo yo between L1 and the championship under fan ownership? Exactly, that was the point I was trying to make. Anyway, as I said earlier in the thread, for me the ideal scenerio is part fan ownership. I don't see that such a set up would prohibit building a League One promotion challenging team in time. Out of interest, does any one know what the playing budget was for 09/10? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 08:47:26 Shambles over the County Ground gig ticketing.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10460444.Tickets_for_County_Ground_concerts_still_not_on_sale/ Also apparently we are getting better training facilities in Calne. It seems there are a few 'good news' items being announced, but whether they come to fruition. Jed kept going on about how the cash income from the gigs was guaranteed whether they go ahead or not. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 09:15:37 Shambles over the County Ground gig ticketing. http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10460444.Tickets_for_County_Ground_concerts_still_not_on_sale/ Also apparently we are getting better training facilities in Calne. It seems there are a few 'good news' items being announced, but whether they come to fruition. Jed kept going on about how the cash income from the gigs was guaranteed whether they go ahead or not. Presumably the Calne thing is going to be funded by grants and the Calne Town Council...so I suppose it's best to adopt a scarf over head approach to it. Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 09:19:52 You kind of answered your own point there. Do we want a yo yo lower league club with small attendances? I would suggest that most supporters wouldn't. Bouncing between Leagues 2 & 1 on 4700 gate is a success. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 09:20:17 I suspect that as many of our fans are disgusted that the board are trying to get the payroll down to 'only' £4.5m that a quite substantial reality check would be needed to reach this level. I thought that the pay roll was this and they're cutting it in half? Title: Re: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 09:26:03 You kind of answered your own point there. Do we want a yo yo lower league club with small attendances? I would suggest that most supporters wouldn't. We are a yo yo club but with better attendances already. Difference is Exeter pend withinwtheir means so will continue to operate well, we will probably go into administration again eventually unless we change. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 10:11:28 Shambles over the County Ground gig ticketing...Jed kept going on about how the cash income from the gigs was guaranteed whether they go ahead or not. Look on the bright side- we get the money and the pitch isn't ruined! Brucie Bonus! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 11:44:18 I don't know how we ever got used to not having stories of laughable incompetence appearing every few days with Nick Watkins in charge. These sort of stories are much more in line of what's expected from Swindon Town Football Club.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 11:48:31 I don't know how we ever got used to not having stories of laughable incompetence appearing every few days with Nick Watkins in charge. These sort of stories are much more in line of what's expected from Swindon Town Football Club. I thought the club were not organising the events anyway, isn't it a third party with the club just providing the venue? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 12:19:23 I thought the club were not organising the events anyway, isn't it a third party with the club just providing the venue? My understanding as well.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 14:24:20 I thought the club were not organising the events anyway, isn't it a third party with the club just providing the venue? Yep What the fuck is the adver up to on Facebook: Quote Who would be surprised to hear that there is still no update on the County Ground ticket sales situation? In a related note, Tulisa (who is one of the acts due to perform on the Friday night) has been arrested on suspicion of supplying class A drugs. Web Ed Steph How very snide. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 14:27:14 Board in bollocksed communications shocker.
[snideier] It'll be more of a shock when they say something and then do it when they said they would. [/snideier] Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 14:51:52 People will be delighted to hear that tickets are now on sale.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 14:58:41 People will be delighted to hear that tickets are now on sale. [url width=568 height=640]http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/grumpy-cat-04.jpg[/url] Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 15:24:48 50 quid a ticket? Ouch.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 15:32:48 Really?! Is that with all the booking fees and stuff, they were initially advertised at £35, which wasn't bad for the number of acts, I guess.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 15:52:18 Really?! Is that with all the booking fees and stuff, they were initially advertised at £35, which wasn't bad for the number of acts, I guess. More importantly why are 5ive no longer on the bill for day two? I love 5ive, even though there are now only four of them We were promised 5ive. #JEDOUT Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 15:57:39 Really?! Is that with all the booking fees and stuff, they were initially advertised at £35, which wasn't bad for the number of acts, I guess. Maybe after the did the maths they realised they weren't going to make any money! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: blinkpip on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 16:07:46 I searched tickets to see if it worked. Don Rogers Stand has either sold out or it's f**k up.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 16:18:49 Not every word of an open floor discussion can realistically be minuted anyway. Ahh you weren't on the Board when Maverick was knocking about were you ? ;) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 16:33:58 I love 5ive, even though there are now only four of them Maybe they should call themselves 4our? That would be a better name. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 17:08:28 £35 to go on sale apparently which are standing, no idea why they didn't go on sale at the same time.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 17:24:38 Maybe they should call themselves 4our? That would be a better name. or 5hitTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: leefer on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 17:25:36 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 17:49:57 Couldn't believe some of the comments that were in the Adver this morning that people had booked days off so they could buy tickets.
In regards to the price, I did notice on the poster which Sonic posted last week that the price said 'From £35', and they've got to claw back the money back which the club receives somehow. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 17:55:41 Couldn't believe some of the comments that were in the Adver this morning that people had booked days off so they could buy tickets. If they're booking tickets for the first day it's likely they're morons anyway. Why take the day off? It's not like fucking Glastonbury! Just take a break (like you're entitled to in 90% of jobs) and do it. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 19:01:29 If they're booking tickets for the first day it's likely they're morons anyway. Why take the day off? It's not like fucking Glastonbury! Just take a break (like you're entitled to in 90% of jobs) and do it. Maybe they wanted to get in the special chav section or somthing. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 19:10:42 Double header weekend - As-bos and As-beens
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: yeo on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:23:34 Tweet tweet
Quote TrustSTFC @TrustSTFC 2m Documents have been received by the Trust which would appear to be authentic. Would appear to support certain claims made on the Adverforum. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: yeo on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:26:24 Tweet tweet
Quote TrustSTFC @TrustSTFC 3m Much of the detail is of a private nature,relating to salaries and employment terms,the Trust respects the need to maintain confidentiality. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:26:40 TrustSTFC @TrustSTFC 3m Much of the detail is of a private nature,relating to salaries and employment terms,the Trust respects the need to maintain confidentiality. [/quote]& the fun begins!! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:34:52 At last. Now we might be able to make progress.
What claims is this evidence supporting though? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:41:47 In Fredi We Trust!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:47:40 Hmmmm. Interesting. Wonder what the Trust can do with it? I guess they need to establish authenticity and then work out whether the claims are damaging to the club before ???
Wonder if the press have received the same information. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:49:55 Remind what we're trying to learn again...?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:52:05 The documents are authentic.
They also make claims of our 'wild' budget last season and sky high player wages look very silly. Fredi has delivered - fair play to the bloke. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:53:34 Remind what we're trying to learn again...? I'm not sure. I can't remember any bad claims as such other than the £1.2M being taken out the club immediately and an alleged conflict of interests in consultancy fees being paid to a company linked with a board member. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:54:26 I know you know everything Chang but how do you know that?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 19:57:53 I know you know everything Chang but how do you know that? Lets just say Fredi wasn't the only person to have seen said documents, and I believe that the Adver have had knowledge of them for weeks but chosen not to do anything with them.That said, they don't really prove much, other than we didn't spend the amounts people thought. Also, Fredi mentioned the documents show Phil Spencer didn't really profit, there is no mention of him anywhere. Certainly nothing ground breaking that can be used against the board. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:01:06 Andrew Black himself said the budget was 4M. Unless Black was lying I don't see how claims of a 'wild' budget last season can be made to look silly considering they pretty much concur with what Black said.
I suppose we will just have to wait.... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:02:13 Remind what we're trying to learn again...? I believe this (From Fredi's comments on Friday)... One of the documents to which I refer above, is a spreadsheet showing last year's budgets with complete wage details, contract terms, agents fees, signing on fees etc. It makes interesting reading and to put fans' minds at rest, every player last season and all those contracted for next season are on less than £4k per week. It shows that every last pound was budgeted for and shows how £500k was to be spent from January to fit within a season's budget of £4.5 M. Obviously this £500k was not forthcoming and with the sale of Ritchie, the actual budget was under £3.5M. Further it includes all agents fees and shows that Spencer was on a fraction of what is generally assumed. He took nothing from individual deals but rather received a monthly retainer equivalent to less than 3% of total budget. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:07:23 3% of £4,000,000 is still rather a lot of money.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:10:58 I believe this (From Fredi's comments on Friday)... One of the documents to which I refer above, is a spreadsheet showing last year's budgets with complete wage details, contract terms, agents fees, signing on fees etc. It makes interesting reading and to put fans' minds at rest, every player last season and all those contracted for next season are on less than £4k per week. It shows that every last pound was budgeted for and shows how £500k was to be spent from January to fit within a season's budget of £4.5 M. Obviously this £500k was not forthcoming and with the sale of Ritchie, the actual budget was under £3.5M. Further it includes all agents fees and shows that Spencer was on a fraction of what is generally assumed. He took nothing from individual deals but rather received a monthly retainer equivalent to less than 3% of total budget. How does this compare with what the board have told us? Have the current board actually told us anything about the points above? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:14:28 How does this compare with what the board have told us? Have the current board actually told us anything about the points above? I think that's due to the story that Rooney was going to be on £8k a week, and the other rumours that other players were on similar wages. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:16:44 Well, well!! Assuming everything is true, this means that the info definitely comes from the "inside" - or does it? Could it be somebody who would have had intimate knowledge but is now out of the loop, as he was replaced!!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:17:00 3% of £4,000,000 is still rather a lot of money. £120k too much personally. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:18:33 I think that's due to the story that Rooney was going to be on £8k a week, and the other rumours that other players were on similar wages. So asides from the Rooney thing, it's evidence contradicting claims that were never made by the board? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:22:27 So asides from the Rooney thing, it's evidence contradicting claims that were never made by the board? Seems to be, but Sam had to get the £8k figure from somewhere.... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: cheltred69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:23:41 I believe this (From Fredi's comments on Friday)... One of the documents to which I refer above, is a spreadsheet showing last year's budgets with complete wage details, contract terms, agents fees, signing on fees etc. It makes interesting reading and to put fans' minds at rest, every player last season and all those contracted for next season are on less than £4k per week. It shows that every last pound was budgeted for and shows how £500k was to be spent from January to fit within a season's budget of £4.5 M. Obviously this £500k was not forthcoming and with the sale of Ritchie, the actual budget was under £3.5M. Further it includes all agents fees and shows that Spencer was on a fraction of what is generally assumed. He took nothing from individual deals but rather received a monthly retainer equivalent to less than 3% of total budget. Other than the info on Spencer taking about £100k and the rumours of exaggerated wages being refuted, this docent tell us a great deal new. The £4.5m budget has been widely reported, as was the £500k that was supposedly available within that budget in the January transfer window, so easy to work out that spend will have come in at £4m and we all know that this was partially funded by the Ritchie sale. So, remind me what is the groundbreaking revelation here? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:23:54 Seems to be, but Sam had to get the £8k figure from somewhere.... Jed has been feeding the Adver what he wants in the press for weeks.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:28:00 The documents are authentic. They also make claims of our 'wild' budget last season and sky high player wages look very silly. Fredi has delivered - fair play to the bloke. Weren't you one of those posters making claims about our 'sky high player wages?' Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: cheltred69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:29:01 Seems to be, but Sam had to get the £8k figure from somewhere.... . But it doesn't appear that Fredi's evidence covers anything about Rooney's supposed contract due to come into place at the expiry of his Birmingham deal. We may have been paying less than 100% of his wages last season but agreed to pay more for the next 2 years. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:30:17 My take:
Fredi has beef with current board (Jed). Sam Morshead gets figure of £8k per week for Rooney. This is supposedly Jed trying to say "look, we're not the bad guys, look at the contracts previous board were handing out". Fredi leaks wage info to show the £8k per week is bullshit and to make Jed look a bit of a twat. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:30:26 . But it doesn't appear that Fredi's evidence covers anything about Rooney's supposed contract due to come into place at the expiry of his Birmingham deal. We may have been paying less than 100% of his wages last season but agreed to pay more for the next 2 years. Indeed Does the evidence show what Rooney was due to be paid once the transfer was made permanent? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:31:23 My take: Fredi has beef with current board (Jed). Sam Morshead gets figure of £8k per week for Rooney. This is supposedly Jed trying to say "look, we're not the bad guys, looks at the contracts previous board were handing out". Fredi leaks wage info to show the £8k per week is bullshit and to make Jed look a bit of a twat. Something like that Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:33:53 My take: Fredi has beef with current board (Jed). Sam Morshead gets figure of £8k per week for Rooney. This is supposedly Jed trying to say "look, we're not the bad guys, look at the contracts previous board were handing out". Fredi leaks wage info to show the £8k per week is bullshit and to make Jed look a bit of a twat. Fully agree. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: smalltowngypsymassacre on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:42:38 Sorry if the answer to this question has been considered during this thread recently, but is the consensus that 'Fredi' is probably one of or a combination of the old consortium? Or are there any other reasonable theories?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: cheltred69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:43:31 My take: Fredi has beef with current board (Jed). Sam Morshead gets figure of £8k per week for Rooney. This is supposedly Jed trying to say "look, we're not the bad guys, look at the contracts previous board were handing out". Fredi leaks wage info to show the £8k per week is bullshit and to make Jed look a bit of a twat. Agree, first 3 lines seem a fair assessment of likely scenario. But I don't agree that the wage leak from last season shows anything about the said £8k for Rooney Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:47:04 My take: or fredi leaked what the board wanted her to leak.Bet the figures they sent prove to be wrong and that fredi is all of a sudden out of a jobFredi has beef with current board (Jed). Sam Morshead gets figure of £8k per week for Rooney. This is supposedly Jed trying to say "look, we're not the bad guys, look at the contracts previous board were handing out". Fredi leaks wage info to show the £8k per week is bullshit and to make Jed look a bit of a twat. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:50:01 or fredi leaked what the board wanted her to leak.Bet the figures they sent prove to be wrong and that fredi is all of a sudden out of a job Huh? Does Jed think he's Malcolm Tucker all of a sudden? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:51:34 or fredi leaked what the board wanted her to leak.Bet the figures they sent prove to be wrong and that fredi is all of a sudden out of a job Bit cryptic? :sherlock: :girlgiggle: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:52:17 Weren't you one of those posters making claims about our 'sky high player wages?' The word you're looking for is "yes" Chang. Have you seen the documents since you made those claims then? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:52:39 or fredi leaked what the board wanted her to leak.Bet the figures they sent prove to be wrong and that fredi is all of a sudden out of a job Fredi's a she? Is this common knowledge? Arbitrary conclusion jumping? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:53:30 My take: Wasn't it £8k with all the living costs and stuff as well, so the salary figure might not be as much? Or that Birmingham were covering some of his wages last season and the deal offered by Wray matched his full wage?Fredi has beef with current board (Jed). Sam Morshead gets figure of £8k per week for Rooney. This is supposedly Jed trying to say "look, we're not the bad guys, look at the contracts previous board were handing out". Fredi leaks wage info to show the £8k per week is bullshit and to make Jed look a bit of a twat. Aside from proving fredi is genuine, which is good to know, it doesn't really prove much. I'd be more interested in some hard evidence regarding fredi's other claims. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 20:54:42 The word you're looking for is "yes" Chang. Have you seen the documents since you made those claims then? Haven't you noticed that he is only making these claims now the Trust have confirmed the document exists? In fact, why the fuck is anyone even paying any attention to a wind up merchant? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:00:23 Bit cryptic? :sherlock: :girlgiggle: Was thinking the same. Do you know something DRS? How did your wedding go JFW? Congratulations on newly wedded life :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:00:37 Wasn't it £8k with all the living costs and stuff as well, so the salary figure might not be as much? I thought Sam had confirmed somewhere (possibly twitter) that the £8k wasn't just wages & included other expenses. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:02:36 Unless the information that Fredi has provided is released into the public domain, which I would guess is highly unlikely, we're all still in the dark about whether it proves anything is going untoward is going on.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:07:30 Sam's tweets about the Rooney salary
Quote @SamMorshead_SA: @BenRandy total package, including agents' fees and other expenses, comes to around £8k a week Quote @SamMorshead_SA: @ijwilmer81 @BenRandy let's remember his basic salary is not 8k a week - agents' fees are in there also - but I agree it is pretty big Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:11:00 DRS isn't being cryptic at all.
If you give sensitive information to one person only and that information is leaked, you know who leaked it. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:16:45 DRS isn't being cryptic at all. Jed tweeted recently that they're fairly certain they know who fredi is as well as something about fredi being very critical of Black?If you give sensitive information to one person only and that information is leaked, you know who leaked it. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:19:52 Jed tweeted recently that they're fairly certain they know who fredi is as well as something about fredi being very critical of Black? He did, yes. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:20:37 FREDI GOT STUNG
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:22:20 I think fredi may well have got stung.
Ouch. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:23:46 Jed tweeted recently that they're fairly certain they know who fredi is as well as something about fredi being very critical of Black? I'd imagine it'd be pretty obvious if you were associated with the club in any serious way. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:24:08 Haven't you noticed that he is only making these claims now the Trust have confirmed the document exists? In fact, why the fuck is anyone even paying any attention to a wind up merchant? Ummm yeah I had funnily enough Sonic. I was asking myself the same question, looks like he caught me on a bad day. The bloke is obviously a cunt. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: leefer on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 21:25:15 Not so sure that a players wages should be banded about.
If i was Rooney i would be very unhappy....especially by people who only THINK they know what he is earning. How the fuck would anyone know what he is earning except the board....and for me if they put the figure out there then its very unprofesional. Not only that but it could cause a lot of bad feeling from other players on a fraction of that. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 22:00:25 Not so sure that a players wages should be banded about. If i was Rooney i would be very unhappy....especially by people who only THINK they know what he is earning. How the fuck would anyone know what he is earning except the board....and for me if they put the figure out there then its very unprofesional. Not only that but it could cause a lot of bad feeling from other players on a fraction of that. Wages clerk would know surely Your constant board bashing is becoming tedious Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 22:07:53 We still seem to be getting hung up on the wrong things, probably due to Fredi's agenda.
If any info has been leaked and is accurate as described it merely shows we were spending too much and without financial backing we have to reign that in. £4k in basic salaries is pretty damned high for a club our size and 3 times the league average wage according to reports. I really don't see what this all solves other than telling us we were chasing the dream until Black woke-up. If someone has evidence of contracts being awarded to people on the inside, then we might be onto something worth getting some knickers in a twist over, but so far that seems unlikely bar paying less on some cars than we used to. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 22:11:31 We still seem to be getting hung up on the wrong things, probably due to Fredi's agenda. If any info has been leaked and is accurate as described it merely shows we were spending too much and without financial backing we have to reign that in. £4k in basic salaries is pretty damned high for a club our size and 3 times the league average wage according to reports. I really don't see what this all solves other than telling us we were chasing the dream until Black woke-up. If someone has evidence of contracts being awarded to people on the inside, then we might be onto something worth getting some knickers in a twist over, but so far that seems unlikely bar paying less on some cars than we used to. Exactly Rob, surely it just confirms what we all knew/suspected anyway ? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 22:18:19 Stuff of the dodgy nature usually comes out - Diamandis was rumbled really early on, which partly caused the rift with the Trust for the remainder of Wills' time at the club I seem to remember. That was around outsourcing the marketing to Diamandis, including programmes, and evidence of Diamandis being at best an unethical employer.
So far the worst we seem to have on anyone is being a bit shit a communication. Find me a company where that isn't moaned about by the employees, let alone those outside. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: leefer on Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 22:18:44 Wages clerk would know surely Your constant board bashing is becoming tedious Wages Clerk :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Thought it was me who watched the Pathe films :D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 06:29:25 When i asked adver craig if it was a bird who used to work at the club i was told no comment. He also said they will be flushed out eventually
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: yeo on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 08:11:59 I think fredi may well have got stung. Ouch. FREDI GOT STUNG I don't understand these posts? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 08:15:11 I don't understand these posts? Think it's to do with Bees, and wanting their players or something... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: london_red on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 08:23:11 I don't understand these posts? Think they are intimating that perhaps the club gave this information to the person they suspected of being 'Fredi', knowing if it was released into the public domain it would confirm their suspicions. A 'Sting' operation if you will. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 08:40:27 I want to know what's happening in the future.
What happened last season obviously impinges on the club's ability to operate in the future but surely it's more important to concentrate on what's ahead. If players are still on ridiculously high contracts there is nothing to be done about that - they need to be honoured. All this is doing is deflecting people from asking the really important question . . . WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET SOME FUCKING NEW PLAYERS!!!! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 08:44:13 A 'Sting' operation if you will. So it was Roxanne that released the info then. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 08:46:51 WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET SOME FUCKING NEW PLAYERS!!!! The last two seasons we didn't sign anyone till the middle of June and then we only really knew that Williams was signing, we then got surprised by Collins and Roberts as well. So just because there is not much news doesn't mean we don't have targets lined up, I know Jed keeps saying it but players wont sign till after holidays. Think about the Al Mac deal to Brentford, everyone knows it is a done deal but as he is on holiday it's not official yet. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Freddies Ferret on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 08:48:58 Wages Clerk :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: I love patheThought it was me who watched the Pathe films :D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 08:50:08 The last two seasons we didn't sign anyone till the middle of June and then we only really knew that Williams was signing, we then got surprised by Collins and Roberts as well. So just because there is not much news doesn't mean we don't have targets lined up, I know Jed keeps saying it but players wont sign till after holidays. Think about the Al Mac deal to Brentford, everyone knows it is a done deal but as he is on holiday it's not official yet. Plus the transfer window doesn't open until July 1st anyway. Fuck all deals have done so far anyway, the odd one annouced for July 1st but that's about it June 6th is early even by our standards to be panicking Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 08:50:20 WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET SOME FUCKING NEW PLAYERS!!!! The greater majority of players are still under contract with their clubs until 30th June, expect some action just after that!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: yeo on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 09:22:08 Think they are intimating that perhaps the club gave this information to the person they suspected of being 'Fredi', knowing if it was released into the public domain it would confirm their suspicions. A 'Sting' operation if you will. so has a post been removed or something? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 09:29:22 so has a post been removed or something? Nothing's been deleted. DRS suggested it on page 49 and SY and I picked up on it while the girls got confused ;D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: yeo on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 09:36:45 ah I see
I always read threads backwards,didnt go back far enough. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 10:02:43 I reckon the twist will be Fredi is actually Jed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kujo7V9m0gk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kujo7V9m0gk) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 10:20:01 I want to know what's happening in the future. What happened last season obviously impinges on the club's ability to operate in the future but surely it's more important to concentrate on what's ahead. If players are still on ridiculously high contracts there is nothing to be done about that - they need to be honoured. All this is doing is deflecting people from asking the really important question . . . WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET SOME FUCKING NEW PLAYERS!!!! We won't get any new players, until we've shifted a bit more existing stock. I'm hoping that PdC comes back with a bit of silly Prem money for Foderingham....this seems dependent on Reina going to Barca to replace Valdes...Mignolet going to Liverpool to replace Reina. With a bit of luck, the likes of L Rooney, Cox and Benson can be moved out, at least on some sort of favourable loan...and probably Collins for a fee. THis would leave....Bedwell....N Thompson, Oakley, Ward, JMac.....Roberts, Navarro, L Thompson....Storey, A Rooney, Williams...then the kids. With TAH a possible at some stage. We'd need a new keeper, but they're relatively easy to get...shame we missed out on Mildy, and the rest made up of loans and that might be sustainable for the season. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Southsider on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 10:25:07 So it was Roxanne that released the info then. Surely no need to involve the police!! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 10:46:01 So:
- Fredi is an anagram of 'fired' - Fredi allegedly has an issue with Black - New board are suggesting that previous Boards seem to have left things in a mess w/r/t contracts and wages. - Fredi has access to club documents from last year I'm wondering who it could be? (Maybe a good point to post a picture of someone thinking) [url width=458 height=295]http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/2074219.jpg?type=articleLandscape[/url] Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 11:04:16 We won't get any new players, until we've shifted a bit more existing stock. I'm hoping that PdC comes back with a bit of silly Prem money for Foderingham....this seems dependent on Reina going to Barca to replace Valdes...Mignolet going to Liverpool to replace Reina. With a bit of luck, the likes of L Rooney, Cox and Benson can be moved out, at least on some sort of favourable loan...and probably Collins for a fee. Wow.That looks like you did a copy and paste job from the football rumours site :-)THis would leave....Bedwell....N Thompson, Oakley, Ward, JMac.....Roberts, Navarro, L Thompson....Storey, A Rooney, Williams...then the kids. With TAH a possible at some stage. We'd need a new keeper, but they're relatively easy to get...shame we missed out on Mildy, and the rest made up of loans and that might be sustainable for the season. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 11:07:09 So: See my earlier post on page 48!!- Fredi is an anagram of 'fired' - Fredi allegedly has an issue with Black - New board are suggesting that previous Boards seem to have left things in a mess w/r/t contracts and wages. - Fredi has access to club documents from last year I'm wondering who it could be? (Maybe a good point to post a picture of someone thinking) [url width=458 height=295]http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/2074219.jpg?type=articleLandscape[/url] Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 11:34:58 Think they are intimating that perhaps the club gave this information to the person they suspected of being 'Fredi', knowing if it was released into the public domain it would confirm their suspicions. A 'Sting' operation if you will. Are we supposed to believe that its some sort of coincidence that 'Fredi' is supposedly caught in a sting operation and then suddenly Rockin Robin is let go - you read it here first! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 12:12:22 Are we supposed to believe that its some sort of coincidence that 'Fredi' is supposedly caught in a sting operation and then suddenly Rockin Robin is let go - you read it here first! Rockin' flipping Jed the bird, that's a cheap shot Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 12:14:57 We won't get any new players, until we've shifted a bit more existing stock. I'm hoping that PdC comes back with a bit of silly Prem money for Foderingham....this seems dependent on Reina going to Barca to replace Valdes...Mignolet going to Liverpool to replace Reina. With a bit of luck, the likes of L Rooney, Cox and Benson can be moved out, at least on some sort of favourable loan...and probably Collins for a fee. THis would leave....Bedwell....N Thompson, Oakley, Ward, JMac.....Roberts, Navarro, L Thompson....Storey, A Rooney, Williams...then the kids. With TAH a possible at some stage. We'd need a new keeper, but they're relatively easy to get...shame we missed out on Mildy, and the rest made up of loans and that might be sustainable for the season. Do you seriously believe we won't sign anyone on a contract other than a loan one then Reg? I know not everything in the garden is rosy but I am HOPING for a little more than that. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 12:30:13 Do you seriously believe we won't sign anyone on a contract other than a loan one then Reg? I know not everything in the garden is rosy but I am HOPING for a little more than that. Of course, it depends on how many more we can move on, but as things stand I'd be very surprised to see any player brought in on a contract. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 12:37:14 Of course, it depends on how many more we can move on, but as things stand I'd be very surprised to see any player brought in on a contract. Fair enough mate. I'm hoping with a budget of £2.4m that we won't quite be shopping in the bargain basement yet. I appreciate that some of those under contract are earning more than we'd like them to be so will be taking up a reasonable part of this wage bill though. I suppose we'll see. Life's never dull being a town fan, as you well know! Betcha we sign at least 2 or 3 though, maybe more. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 17:38:08 I'm totally lost!!! :-[
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 17:44:38 FREDI GOT STUNG Sounds better than Freddy Got Fingered Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 18:08:33 I'm totally lost!!! :-[ http://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/ Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: joteddyred on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 19:16:38 I'm totally lost!!! :-[ I've caught up now it's been explained in simplistic terms :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Thursday, June 6, 2013, 20:47:09 Hmmmmm where are the simplistic terms?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: skay on Friday, June 7, 2013, 01:44:19 Turns out Jed got all his money making a half time shot at a Miami Heat match. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqd3jUPq3Lw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, June 7, 2013, 03:08:31 Hmmmmm where are the simplistic terms? If someone told you and nobody else a secret, if that secret got out then they would know you were the source of the leak. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, June 7, 2013, 07:00:16 Turns out Jed got all his money making a half time shot at a Miami Heat match. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqd3jUPq3Lw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Isn't that Hugo Chavez? :hmmm: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 7, 2013, 10:35:53 See my earlier post on page 48!! Not sure what you mean? I just posted a picture of someone thinking ! ;)Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 7, 2013, 11:15:40 I notice that all of you who like to froth about the lack of business acumen of the new board have conveniently not mentioned this...
http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/vancentrepartnership-855001.aspx Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 7, 2013, 11:17:19 They've got a van as well as Mercs now?
ASSET STRIPPING! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 7, 2013, 11:36:34 They've got a van as well as Mercs now? ASSET STRIPPING! Of course, they can't fit all the assets in the Mercs when they flee with their ill-gotten gains, have you seen the size of the boots on those things? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Power to people on Friday, June 7, 2013, 19:36:56 They've got a van as well as Mercs now? ASSET STRIPPING! Does this van replace the team coach to fit in with the budget Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: pauld on Friday, June 7, 2013, 20:39:00 They've got a van as well as Mercs now? Well you can't be expected to carry off assets in Mercs can you? You need at least a van for proper stripping, maybe a small truck as wellASSET STRIPPING! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: leefer on Friday, June 7, 2013, 20:51:13 Well you can't be expected to carry off assets in Mercs can you? You need at least a van for proper stripping, maybe a small truck as well Now i maybe able to help there :hmmm: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: pauld on Friday, June 7, 2013, 20:55:21 Now i maybe able to help there :hmmm: Nah we don't want all the assets stuck in some queue at Heathrow do we? :)Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, June 7, 2013, 20:57:05 Nah we don't want all the assets stuck in some queue at Heathrow do we? :) most of them probably were stuck queueing there a couple of weeks agoTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: skay on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 08:16:17 Does Jed think it's clever and big to be following EDL leader Tommy Robinson on Twitter?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: WR5 on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 09:35:42 Does Jed think it's clever and big to be following EDL leader Tommy Robinson on Twitter? he is also a member/liker of the Worcestershire EDL facebook page Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 09:40:35 Does Jed think it's clever and big to be following EDL leader Tommy Robinson on Twitter? Bang goes my idea of incorporating a mosque into the CG redevelopment then. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 10:15:17 I follow him as well. Not a member or a fan of the EDL.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 10:19:13 He can follow who he likes, as long as it doesn't impact on the club. He like others probably just likes to keep abreast of what is being said and likes to have the full facts before calling him names when talking about him at the pub with his cronies. The majority of us followed an apparent fascist for 18 months but that doesn't mean we are all fascists, even though there were those that were accusing us of it.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 10:20:40 I follow him as well. Not a member or a fan of the EDL. I was going to suggest that just because he follows him doesn't necessarily mean that he supports what they do. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 10:22:43 I've followed Tommy the twat myself in the past.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Levi lapper on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 10:52:53 I've followed Tommy the twat myself in the past. phew - that's alright then Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 10:56:49 He can follow who he likes, as long as it doesn't impact on the club. He like others probably just likes to keep abreast of what is being said and likes to have the full facts before calling him names when talking about him at the pub with his cronies. The majority of us followed an apparent fascist for 18 months but that doesn't mean we are all fascists, even though there were those that were accusing us of it. Who? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 10:57:54 phew - that's alright then Um. Glad you think so! :hmmm: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 11:14:39 he is also a member/liker of the Worcestershire EDL facebook page Oh god not another moral dilemma. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 11:17:34 Following the EDL's actions isn't cause for alarm.
If he posts on their pages with 'Dirty muslims should fuck off home', THEN we have a problem. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 11:18:31 he is also a member/liker of the Worcestershire EDL facebook page Classy. Nothing surprises me any more. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 11:20:10 Oh god not another moral dilemma. Depends on his stance. If he's genuinely concerned about the growing number of Muslims who seem hell bent on bringing Sharia Law to the UK then fine, a lot of people share his concern. If he wants to start burning down mosques then we have a problem! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 11:26:37 God this clubs tries the patience doesnt it. From fascist manager to edl sympathising chairman. Stop press the adver understands the risen from the dead the new youth team coach is jimmy fucking saville.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 11:26:37 Pretty much established that Jed is a twat. Whether he is a dangerous twat is what we dont know yet.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 11:52:25 he is also a member/liker of the Worcestershire EDL facebook page I was about to post saying that I follow a lot of people I disagree with politically on Twitter (though not that particular twat, the less attention he gets frankly, the better) so it might not mean anything. However this coupled with 'liking' pages on Facebook is deeply worrying, has anyone raised it with Jed on Twitter? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 11:56:14 I was about to post saying that I follow a lot of people I disagree with politically on Twitter (though not that particular twat, the less attention he gets frankly, the better) so it might not mean anything. This.However this coupled with 'liking' pages on Facebook is deeply worrying, has anyone raised it with Jed on Twitter? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: The_Doctor on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:01:52 In fairness the EDL have some very very good points but go the complete wrong way to get them across. Using Lee Rigby's death to get their own views and opinons across is bang out of order and his family should have come out by now and told them to get fucked.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:03:14 In fairness the EDL have some very very good points but go the complete wrong way to get them across. Using Lee Rigby's death to get their own views and opinons across is bang out of order and his family should have come out by now and told them to get fucked. I must have missed those. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:06:03 I know this forum is 80% bollocks, but sticking up for the EDL is a new low.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:06:34 If he wants to start burning down mosques then we have a problem! Particularly if Reg's plan to incorporate a mosque in a redevelopment of the County Ground gets off the ground. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:09:00 According to some EDL follower on twitter, Shakira law should not be allowed. I'd be all for a bit of Shakira law myself, it sounds great.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:11:31 In fairness the EDL have some very very good points but go the complete wrong way to get them across. Using Lee Rigby's death to get their own views and opinons across is bang out of order and his family should have come out by now and told them to get fucked. :facepalm:Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:12:56 According to some EDL follower on twitter, Shakira law should not be allowed. I'd be all for a bit of Shakira law myself, it sounds great. I'd like that, her hips don't lie Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:13:05 Particularly if Reg's plan to incorporate a mosque in a redevelopment of the County Ground gets off the ground. Donny'd old chairman Ken Richardson, burnt down Belle Vue...and they're doing better than us. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:18:29 It’s a fucking facebook and twitter page for fucksake. Absolute joke the way some of you lot try and twist shit every single time
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Jed on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:27:16 It’s a fucking facebook and twitter page for fucksake. Absolute joke the way some of you lot try and twist shit every single time Well said, a voice of reason.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:30:51 Well said, a voice of reason. That's reason? Looks like sugar-high over-excitement to me. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:32:35 That's reason? Looks like sugar-high over-excitement to me. Or maybe just true?Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:36:59 If you like a pages/become a member of a group/add as a freind/follow then those updates appear on your timeline. Useful if you wanted to know what the person or organisation was up to but doesn't mean you support or like them.
Justin Tomlinson has a facebook account, a facebook page and a twitter account. I suppose everyone who friends/likes/follows him is also an ardent Tory supporter? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:38:30 The terminology of 'Like' or 'Follow' implies a level of support or empathy which is entirely inaccurate in some cases.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:40:29 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: yeo on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:49:03 Way I see it is if you follow someone on Twitter its because you want to see what they are saying if you "like" something on Facebook you are showing support for it or letting other people know you "like" it.
But maybe ive got it wrong because I often see people "like" posts about people dead parents/babies.. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 13:15:03 I often see people "like" posts about people dead parents/babies.. Yeah, but there is no dislike button. I guess some see liking something as offering support rather than liking what happened. Or I know a lot of sick fucks, one or t'other. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 13:20:36 FFS I'm bored!
Has no one raped and pillaged the Town today? Have no more assets been stripped? Have no more expensive mobile phone or car contracts been signed? Have there been no fights? Are we not under Umbongo or Administration? Have we not had another Nightmare on Elm Street? Its too quiet I tell thee! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 13:29:09 FFS I'm bored! Has no one raped and pillaged the Town today? Have no more assets been stripped? Have no more expensive mobile phone or car contracts been signed? Have there been no fights? Are we not under Umbongo or Administration? Have we not had another Nightmare on Elm Street? Its too quiet I tell thee! Wes just tweeted that it's 'the plan' to play at Swindon next season. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 13:38:23 big it up for the plan - how generous of him
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 13:39:16 FFS I'm bored! Our chairman is Tommy Robinson's right-hand manHas no one raped and pillaged the Town today? Have no more assets been stripped? Have no more expensive mobile phone or car contracts been signed? Have there been no fights? Are we not under Umbongo or Administration? Have we not had another Nightmare on Elm Street? Its too quiet I tell thee! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 13:46:34 FFS I'm bored! Nothing happened like that at all, but there is a strong rumour that Jed has raided the tills and taken his entire family and the board of Banbury FC on a month's cruise around the caribbean!! Apparently he has had a few of the mercs flown out to various islands for a trip around them. If there is to be any wheeler dealing done whilst he is on vacation he has bought tickets on Concorde to fly him home at a moments notice!! :hmmm:Has no one raped and pillaged the Town today? Have no more assets been stripped? Have no more expensive mobile phone or car contracts been signed? Have there been no fights? Are we not under Umbongo or Administration? Have we not had another Nightmare on Elm Street? Its too quiet I tell thee! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 13:53:23 Nothing happened like that at all, but there is a strong rumour that Jed has raided the tills and taken his entire family and the board of Banbury FC on a month's cruise around the caribbean!! Apparently he has had a few of the mercs flown out to various islands for a trip around them. If there is to be any wheeler dealing done whilst he is on vacation he has bought tickets on Concorde to fly him home at a moments notice!! :hmmm: I see a flaw in your theory. :sherlock: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Red Jed on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 14:04:04 I see a flaw in your theory. :sherlock: But that is the only flaw ;)Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 14:06:49 Indeed. It's otherwise infallible.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 14:35:11 Wes just tweeted that it's 'the plan' to play at Swindon next season. So he's off to another Division 1 team or hoping to get a draw against us in the cups then... Well I thought I would get in before the normal doom mongers did :girlgiggle: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 14:45:37 I see a flaw in your theory. :sherlock: No shit Sherlock!! Had to make it a bit tongue in cheek before the orange hat brigade came on here and had a field day!! ;DTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 22:31:32 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 09:55:13 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 09:57:32 When why?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 10:35:02 How?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 11:12:22 Which?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 11:14:45 Hunt?
Title: Time to lay off the Board Post by: swindont on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 13:31:53 Does anyone else think the stick the board are currently getting is now totally unmeritted?
I agree that when the new board arrived I was pesimistic and to some degree worried, hearing about the dramatic financial changes that were planned and all the rubbish about the Mercs. But in reality their doing things right arent they? The previous board, no matter how ambitous they were left us in tatters, with huge financial bills and another threat of administration which clearly demonstrated that that approach wasnt sustainable for our club. Now McCrory has come in and has removed the players on ridiculous wages in relation to there footballing ability (Rooney 8k a week?!, Miller etc) and looking to build a fresh new young team, which is surely the correct way to go, as for one its a much cheaper option, two they have the potential to be stars for the club and progress and push us on, and three it enables us to sell them at some point on make some money which then can be reinvested in the club to stregthen multiple areas of the team, which is very important look at clubs like Leeds, Rangers and Portsmouth who have done this wrong. The new revenue steams coming in such as the deal with the matchday food and concerts will bring extra money into the club, ideas not brought forward by the previous regime. Which can then again be used to up the money being spent in our self-sustainable model. I feel that this is the correct way to go and the board need more recognition, look at Watford and Palace two teams who for years have spent within there means and look how well they did last season. Its time to get behind the board and their new direction COYR! Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 13:32:53 Hi Jed. :bye:
Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 13:48:18 ROAAARRR!
Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 13:49:13 I thought this was going to be a redundancies thread.
Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Gnasher on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 13:49:44 Hi Jed. :bye: Spelling and grammar too good for Jed. Hi Steve :bye: Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 13:57:54 Not punchy enough for Steve.
Hi Crouchy ??! :bye: -------------------------------------------- I think its too early to praise or damn them either way yet. PH neutral on the litmus paper of life. I think its OK for town fans to question things on a Town fan message board if they want. Its part of a message boards function. Its not right having direct goes at Jed via Twitter mind, in my opinion. Then again I find the suck ups just as unpalatable! Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: StfcRusty on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 13:58:05 Now McCrory has come in and has removed the players on ridiculous wages in relation to there footballing ability (Rooney 8k a week?!, Miller etc) Can we please stop quoting the fairytale that Rooney was "on" 8k a week. He wasn't / isn't. For those of you on PAYE, ask your employer what your total weekly/monthly on-cost to them is versus your weekly/monthly wage. The figures are very different. Even if true (which I doubt), the 8k figure will be total on-cost, meaning Rooney would be "on" £4-5k a week. Still a lot, I know, but it's just annoying when the £8k figure (which was clearly club propaganda IMHO) is bandied about as fact and, no doubt, will be for months to come. Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:10:43 I find it very tiresome that some continually snipe at the board/Jed when they have nothing factually to go on. We were in the shit big time when Andrew Black pulled out, at least we have still got a club in League 1 to support!! All this talk of asset stripping and financial mismanagement - and even who Jed follows on Twitter - does nothing for me. That is not to say that I am totally behind this current board, I need to see a bit more positivity coming from within the club itself but I have to say I was totally won over by PDC and JW and where has that got me/us??
Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:12:26 I think its OK for town fans to question things on a Town fan message board if they want. Its part of a message boards function. Its not right having direct goes at Jed via Twitter mind, in my opinion. Then again I find the suck ups just as unpalatable! This Some of the abuse Jed gets on Twitter is disgusting, but there are a few people that will need surgically removing from Jed's backside soon. Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: random_five on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:14:43 I find it very tiresome that some continually snipe at the board/Jed when they have nothing factually to go on. We were in the shit big time when Andrew Black pulled out, at least we have still got a club in League 1 to support!! All this talk of asset stripping and financial mismanagement - and even who Jed follows on Twitter - does nothing for me. That is not to say that I am totally behind this current board, I need to see a bit more positivity coming from within the club itself but I have to say I was totally won over by PDC and JW and where has that got me/us?? League 2 Champions and top of League 1? Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:17:04 I must admit to being one of the original damn the new board lot, but over time I can see there is no alternative.
It remains to be seen if this board turn out to be good for our club or not - just the same for any board that takes the helm at STFC - this can only be done with hindsight. My only reservation as regards the original post is have we, indeed, actually got rid of those players on big money contracts? I think not Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:18:43 Let's see what players we bring in and how the business plan presentation goes.
Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:34:00 The opener is possibly the most ludicrous post in the history of the TEF...and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: DRS on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:35:44 League 2 Champions and top of League 1? If this club is to nearly bankrupt itself i would rather it did it for a better reason than winning fucking league twoTitle: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: DRS on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:36:44 The opener is possibly the mosy ludicrous post in the history of the TEF...and that's saying something. It suprises me you think this.Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: random_five on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:42:02 If this club is to nearly bankrupt itself i would rather it did it for a better reason than winning fucking league two What reason would that be then? Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:45:12 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:47:51 Mike?
Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: DRS on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:52:33 What reason would that be then? Well obviously i would prefer we didn't at all.Clubs like leeds Pompey and Brum did it but they enjoyed european nights and winning cups. We got to brag we were a few points better than Shrewsbury last year.Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:54:02 It suprises me you think this. Why would any sane person think otherwise? Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: StfcRusty on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 14:55:10 I feel that this is the correct way to go and the board need more recognition, look at Watford and Palace two teams who for years have spent within there means and look how well they did last season. Aren't Watford under a transfer embargo for financial irregularities? Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Deptford Grinch on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:00:31 Well obviously i would prefer we didn't at all.Clubs like leeds Pompey and Brum did it but they enjoyed european nights and winning cups. We got to brag we were a few points better than Shrewsbury last year. If PDC and Black had have stayed you'd probably have enjoyed those European nights and cup wins. Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:03:17 Not sure why this warranted a new thread, so merged it.
Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: DRS on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:13:32 If PDC and Black had have stayed you'd probably have enjoyed those European nights and cup wins. HahaTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Deptford Grinch on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:18:00 Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:30:07 If PDC and Black had have stayed you'd probably have enjoyed those European nights Are they bringing the Anglo Italian Cup back??? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Deptford Grinch on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:34:18 Are they bringing the Anglo Italian Cup back??? You saw that Bradford got to the League Cup Final did you?! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:40:58 You saw that Bradford got to the League Cup Final did you?! Yes I watched them get dicked 5-0, and your point being in relation to PDC/Black and cup wins or European football? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:51:30 League 2 Champions and top of League 1? My point entirely, but Black ran away, closely followed by PDC so we have got to get an air of stability back into the club. However, if you know somebody who is prepared to put £4mill a season into the club do please let the Trust (at least!) know.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:54:33 You saw that Bradford got to the League Cup Final did you?! Not through any kind of mass funding though. Bradford was a one off, it wont happen again for years. And also, considering Black was unwilling to fund a league one promotion push I seriously doubt he would have funded any quest we may have had for European football. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: random_five on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:58:51 My point entirely, but Black ran away, closely followed by PDC so we have got to get an air of stability back into the club. However, if you know somebody who is prepared to put £4mill a season into the club do please let the Trust (at least!) know. I agree, but stability can turn to stagnation very quickly when your Board is completely skint. Your second point is ridiculous so I choose to ignore it. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 15:59:27 Black couldn't afford a push for European football even if he wanted to.
What a silly discussion. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: random_five on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 16:01:57 Black couldn't afford a push for European football even if he wanted to. What a silly discussion. Eh? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 16:03:21 Has somebody been handing out free pills in Swindon today or something?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 16:37:44 Has somebody been handing out free pills in Swindon today or something? An abundance of Prozac, might explain the increase in :clap: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 16:45:47 An abundance of Prozac, might explain the increase in :clap: So why did you miss out? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 16:47:57 So why did you miss out? Alcohol and prozac don't mix very well from my experience.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 16:49:43 Blacks money did get us to a cup final....which we lost!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 16:51:14 So why did you miss out? Old skool...drink and sex are my paliatives of choice. (Gave up the drugs years ago) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 17:11:59 The opener is possibly the most ludicrous post in the history of the TEF...and that's saying something. The Chinese government used to think they could filter the whole of the internet, so they spent a lot of money on 'the great firewall of china'. Now they've realised they can't filter it all, they pay armies of people to register on Chinese forums and Weibo and other places to steer the discussions in ways that are helpful to the regime. Also, hi Jed! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 17:17:38 The Chinese government blocks certain types of website at the hardware level. It is fucking clever stuff.
Title: Re: Time to lay off the Board Post by: Peter Gibbons on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 17:37:25 Can we please stop quoting the fairytale that Rooney was "on" 8k a week. He wasn't / isn't. For those of you on PAYE, ask your employer what your total weekly/monthly on-cost to them is versus your weekly/monthly wage. The figures are very different. Even if true (which I doubt), the 8k figure will be total on-cost, meaning Rooney would be "on" £4-5k a week. Still a lot, I know, but it's just annoying when the £8k figure (which was clearly club propaganda IMHO) is bandied about as fact and, no doubt, will be for months to come. I don't doubt that £8k is an exaggerated figure, but I think the rest of your point is a bit odd. If someone asks what your salary is (or what you are 'on' if you will), do you give them the gross figure or the net figure? Also, your employer doesn't pay your income tax, you pay it. Your employer merely administers the act of handing the tax, YOU have paid, over to the government. Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 17:39:30 I think you are missing the fact the employer has a tax obligation too ;)
Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Gibbons on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 17:46:55 I think you are missing the fact the employer has a tax obligation too ;) I guess I must be, but I thought employer's NI contributions was the only "employment tax" and the rest was on profits and the like and therefore not directly relevant to the "£8k" figure? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Fred Elliot on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 17:50:27 Has somebody been handing out free pills in Swindon today or something? Agreed There have been some shite written on here recently, but fuck me Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 18:07:05 I guess I must be, but I thought employer's NI contributions was the only "employment tax" and the rest was on profits and the like and therefore not directly relevant to the "£8k" figure? Oh sorry, thought you'd missed NI. In any case I think the point was that the 8k figure could include employers NI, benefits, agents fees and signing on fees split over n months, housing/relocation contribution and god knows what else. Either way it doesn't really matter, either we can't afford and can't get out of it, or we can't afford it and can get out of it, or we re-negotiate. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Gibbons on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 18:10:29 Oh sorry, thought you'd missed NI. In any case I think the point was that the 8k figure could include employers NI, benefits, agents fees and signing on fees split over n months, housing/relocation contribution and god knows what else. Either way it doesn't really matter, either we can't afford and can't get out of it, or we can't afford it and can get out of it, or we re-negotiate. Fair enough, I think I had missed the point especially about housing and what have you :doh: My apologies to StfcRusty :-[ Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: china red on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 23:07:24 The Chinese government used to think they could filter the whole of the internet, so they spent a lot of money on 'the great firewall of china'. Now they've realised they can't filter it all, they pay armies of people to register on Chinese forums and Weibo and other places to steer the discussions in ways that are helpful to the regime. Also, hi Jed! I believe the firewall is still there, or so I'm led to believe. Lots of websites are also blocked including the TEF 50% of the time. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 23:12:43 Lots of websites are also blocked including the TEF 50% of the time. To be honest, that's probably what should happen anyway. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 13, 2013, 23:16:59 Lots of websites are also blocked including the TEF 50% of the time. The result of counter revolutionary revisionist lapdogs or :clap: as some like to call themselves. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: china red on Friday, June 14, 2013, 00:14:25 I'm going to blame it all on Chang.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 14, 2013, 07:17:31 Oh sorry, thought you'd missed NI. In any case I think the point was that the 8k figure could include employers NI, benefits, agents fees and signing on fees split over n months, housing/relocation contribution and god knows what else. Either way it doesn't really matter, either we can't afford and can't get out of it, or we can't afford it and can get out of it, or we re-negotiate. Whatever it includes, a financial commitment of £8k a week to a player at this level just seems sheer lunacy. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: TungstenCarbide on Friday, June 14, 2013, 07:50:31 pass the prozac... designer amnesiac
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Friday, June 14, 2013, 08:06:55 I believe the firewall is still there, or so I'm led to believe. Lots of websites are also blocked including the TEF 50% of the time. I think you're right, but I thought these armies of commentators were really interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Water_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, June 14, 2013, 09:07:09 pass the prozac... designer amnesiac 227 Lears and I can't remember the first line...Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, June 14, 2013, 09:37:28 I think you're right, but I thought these armies of commentators were really interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party You can find them in da club, bottle full of bub Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 10:19:15 My point entirely, but Black ran away, closely followed by PDC so we have got to get an air of stability back into the club. However, if you know somebody who is prepared to put £4mill a season into the club do please let the Trust (at least!) know. I am willing to commit to £4mill a year for 3 years. Need to win the Euromillions rollover first though. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: nochee on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 11:46:52 This season isn't going to be the greatest, is it. It's a shame but at least we have a club. Heavy sigh
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 11:51:37 Doesn't kmac have youth team experience with villa?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 11:52:16 Nothing gets past you, does it 4D?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 12:15:07 Nothing gets past you, does it 4D? Perhaps I could get a few games in goal then. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 13:36:01 Any evidence of 2.4 million budget? I'm looking for some signs but I'm fucked if I can see them.
Kmac is gonna have to be a magician I think. I suggest people lump on the 15/2 available on us going down to soften the blow. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 13:42:24 Any evidence of 2.4 million budget? I'm looking for some signs but I'm fucked if I can see them. Kmac is gonna have to be a magician I think. I suggest people lump on the 15/2 available on us going down to soften the blow. What was Yeovils budget last year, and Tranmere? Not saying that its going to be great but it depends on the players and manager. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 13:42:44 Sorry, but no matter how this season MAY turn out to be, I just couldn't bet on us going down.
It aint right I tells ya Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DiV on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 13:45:42 Any evidence of 2.4 million budget? I'm looking for some signs but I'm fucked if I can see them. Kmac is gonna have to be a magician I think. I suggest people lump on the 15/2 available on us going down to soften the blow. Adding Brentford to go up as a double could be well worth a punt to. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 15:41:08 What was Yeovils budget last year, and Tranmere? Not saying that its going to be great but it depends on the players and manager. Where's the fun in that? Dooooomm!! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: china red on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 15:47:35 Didn't yeovil have a budget of 800k? MK Dongs was a couple of million.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: manc_red on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 18:38:41 Any evidence of 2.4 million budget? I'm looking for some signs but I'm fucked if I can see them. Was the 2.4 million figure ever confirmed? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 19:01:27 Was the 2.4 million figure ever confirmed? No idea there were so many figures banded about not sure what was and wasn't confirmed.... My poor understanding was that it was £4.8m last year cut back to £2.4m this year? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 19:27:35 What was Yeovils budget last year, and Tranmere? Not saying that its going to be great but it depends on the players and manager. point taken but looks a stronger league this season. How young were their sides? Was the 2.4 million figure ever confirmed? no idea? Looks like a yeovil cost squad being made here though. All of this is subject to change of course if we see some sort of intent. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 19:31:22 Pretty clear we are building for a sustainable future. Squad full of younger, cheaper players which can be kept or sold at a profit if successful.
Nothing wrong with that if it works. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: cheltred69 on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 19:32:58 Was the 2.4 million figure ever confirmed? Jed confirmed that this is the playing staff budget on Twitter a few days ago Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 19:47:14 Pretty clear we are building for a sustainable future. Squad full of younger, cheaper players which can be kept or sold at a profit if successful. Nothing wrong with that if it works. Although this does make Bathram's one year contract odd- if he does do well he can leave for buttons in compensation after a year Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 19:50:43 Although this does make Bathram's one year contract odd- if he does do well he can leave for buttons in compensation after a year The club the have option of an extension Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 19:50:53 Although this does make Bathram's one year contract odd- if he does do well he can leave for buttons in compensation after a year We don't know what sort of renewal clauses are in there though. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 19:53:11 Pretty clear we are building for a sustainable future. Squad full of younger, cheaper players which can be kept or sold at a profit if successful. agree. Requires patience from the stands though which historically isn't there.Nothing wrong with that if it works. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 19:56:18 I'm more than happy to be patient with KMac and the young players. As we've seen from pre-season though, the majority of fans are unlikely to share in that patient view...
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 20:00:52 The club the have option of an extension Then that makes a lot more sense and is thoroughly sensible. Gonna be an interesting season, I have no particular objection to the club living within its means (and in fact would prefer that in principle if probably not in reality) but I hope we're not cutting too far too fast. KMac has a big job on his hands. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 20:08:53 I hope we're not cutting too far too fast. KMac has a big job on his hands. That's exactly how I feel. But I hope myself and other fans will get behind the team and manager. And I feel you can't have it both ways, moaning about football being a money game and then crying when we're not spending it seems a bit hypocritical - that's a personal viewpoint not commenting on the posts you've made (to put into context). Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 20:14:03 I hope we're not cutting too far too fast. The way I see it the season has the potential to be a complete disaster **if** 4 or so more senior players leave with only embryo replacements, a rookie manager and an impatient and spoilt crowd. But...well there isn't much of an alternative really. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 20:15:18 I agree with the view, it's just difficult to watch so many top players leave all at once and all to Brentford, who appear to be doing what we and Bournemouth did last summer. The ideal situation is that all football clubs live within their means or near to them, but that doesn't seem likely to happen any time soon, so we have to accept the situation as is. Fingers crossed it works out.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 20:16:21 We're still in June
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, June 30, 2013, 14:06:01 Are the business plan presentations still going ahead? Haven't heard anything more.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, June 30, 2013, 14:48:01 Are the business plan presentations still going ahead? Haven't heard anything more. As far as I know of, even though they've been very quiet on the subject since the initial announcement. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, June 30, 2013, 15:59:00 Are the business plan presentations still going ahead? Haven't heard anything more. Might have lost the fag packet... Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: leefer on Sunday, June 30, 2013, 16:03:31 Reg while your on...what was the little village near Swindon years back that had its own rather raunchy music festival...in the 70's .
Trying hard to remember :no: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: kaufman on Sunday, June 30, 2013, 16:08:32 Wasn't it Watchfield on the A420?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: leefer on Sunday, June 30, 2013, 16:11:08 Wasn't it Watchfield on the A420? Thats it! Cheers. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, June 30, 2013, 19:42:03 Reg while your on...what was the little village near Swindon years back that had its own rather raunchy music festival...in the 70's . Trying hard to remember :no: Yes Watchfield...coincidentally there's a prog on BBC i-player atm, called Festival Britannia, which deals with the history of various festivals in GB and Watchfield gets a mention...well worth a look especially if like me, you were at a lot of the 70's/ 80's stuff. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 08:45:03 It might be that the business plan presentation hasn't happened because Tottenham haven't sent it to us yet.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: london_red on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 08:50:45 It might be that the business plan presentation hasn't happened because Tottenham haven't sent it to us yet. Or because they are - and always were - scheduled for 9th/10th July, and it's only the 2nd? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 09:00:15 Or because they are - and always were - scheduled for 9th/10th July, and it's only the 2nd? Pah!, you and your logical explanations. Happy :clap: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: bobby barnes jink on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 09:06:00 It might be that the business plan presentation hasn't happened because Tottenham haven't sent it to us yet. :D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 09:16:24 Or because they are - and always were - scheduled for 9th/10th July, and it's only the 2nd? Confirmed in last night's £1 Adver!!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 11:20:25 Originally the plan was to give tickets out at the club shop re-opening for the presentations, does anyone know if that happened? I quite fancy going to it, but not sure how to get one now.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 11:32:53 Thought they were giving ticket out to supporters club and trust also to dish out, so they should know a bit more
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 11:36:34 http://www.truststfc.com/business-plan-presentation-tickets/
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 11:44:41 http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/business-plan-evenings-831310.aspx
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 11:48:12 Lovely stuff! Thank you :)
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: iffy on Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 14:10:07 http://www.truststfc.com/business-plan-presentation-tickets/ Twenty quid for a ticket? I can't believe it. Why oh why are they ripping us off like this? Even if we are getting the chance to see top quality business plan talent like Theo from Dragon's Den and Donald Trump from Donald Trump, I can't believe they'd charge so much for a non-competitive fixture. (Sorry. I think this is in the wrong thread) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 11:10:45 Received an e-mail last night telling me about the Business Presentation evening on 10th July. tickets to be obtained from the newly revamped club shop. Knowing it was going to be one of the summer's hottest tickets in town I called into said shop to collect one. Didn't have any idea what I was talking about, guy made a phone call and ten minutes later I was directed outside to the new ticket office, thank god it was dry (going to be an awful lot of people moaning if they have to queue up there!) only to be very briskly fucked off by some guy with glasses in there - didn't recognise him as any of the guys who used to work in the ticket office. Hackles raised I returned to the shop where the lad who first saw me got me a ticket - from the new ticket office!! Not very welcoming for any new supporter!!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 5, 2013, 15:17:48 Received an e-mail last night telling me about the Business Presentation evening on 10th July. tickets to be obtained from the newly revamped club shop. Knowing it was going to be one of the summer's hottest tickets in town I called into said shop to collect one. Didn't have any idea what I was talking about, guy made a phone call and ten minutes later I was directed outside to the new ticket office, thank god it was dry (going to be an awful lot of people moaning if they have to queue up there!) only to be very briskly fucked off by some guy with glasses in there - didn't recognise him as any of the guys who used to work in the ticket office. Hackles raised I returned to the shop where the lad who first saw me got me a ticket - from the new ticket office!! Not very welcoming for any new supporter!! Email [email protected] wait. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, July 5, 2013, 17:56:39 Email [email protected] wait. Anybody got an e-mail for Steve Murrall?Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 5, 2013, 17:57:51 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Notts red on Friday, July 5, 2013, 21:25:15 Anybody got an e-mail for Steve Murrall? Yes, not going though. I'll be getting all the gossip and info from here I hope. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: otanswell on Saturday, July 6, 2013, 07:23:02 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Saturday, July 6, 2013, 10:13:29 Cheers to the two guys who gave me an email addy for Mr Murrall. I contacted him this morning and received a suitable reply within minutes - he had already seen my comment on the TEF and taken action!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, July 7, 2013, 20:03:19 I wonder if the business plan will include Jed's new initiative of sending Twitter DM's to barely legal girls offering them to come round his house and give them free tickets?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Sunday, July 7, 2013, 20:25:37 I wonder if the business plan will include Jed's new initiative of sending Twitter DM's to barely legal girls offering them to come round his house and give them free tickets? Fair play to him. He hasn't got much sex appeal so he might as well use what he has got - free tickets. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Power to people on Monday, July 8, 2013, 11:32:08 So is there many people from here going to the Business plan meeting on Weds, I wonder if it may end up as a few blokes gathering round a laptop
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, July 8, 2013, 11:46:50 So is there many people from here going to the Business plan meeting on Weds, I wonder if it may end up as a few blokes gathering round a laptop I will be one of those sitting round the laptop, quite interested to hear what they have to say. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, July 8, 2013, 12:02:19 I'm going.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, July 8, 2013, 12:10:07 I'm going. Me too!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, July 8, 2013, 12:30:00 What time does it start?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: pauld on Monday, July 8, 2013, 12:30:50 What time is it? It's around 1.30 at the moment :)Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 8, 2013, 12:35:38 It's around 1.30 at the moment :) Its 2.35 here. :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, July 8, 2013, 12:53:54 It's around 1.30 at the moment :) I managed to edit that post in anticipation of a smart arse comment :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Monday, July 8, 2013, 13:04:05 I managed not to edit that post in time for smart arse comments :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: pauld on Monday, July 8, 2013, 13:08:19 ]
I managed to edit that post in anticipation of a smart arse comment :) :DTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Power to people on Monday, July 8, 2013, 13:16:02 What time does it start? 7pm I believe (I'll be sensible) :D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, July 8, 2013, 18:07:39 I can make it but I won't have a chance to get a ticket (work outside Swindon). May email to see if they'll hold me one to collect on the night.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:02:21 @BBCWiltshire: SPORT : Swindon Town announce two new directors : former Norwich player Lee Power and economist Sangita Shah #stfc
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:14:40 @BBCWiltshire: SPORT : Swindon Town announce two new directors : former Norwich player Lee Power and economist Sangita Shah #stfc Crouch seems to have disappeared then....shame as he seemed to have a bit of credibilty. Can Si Pie dig us some dirt on Shah? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: corner on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:25:27 No word from morshead yet, just the bbc who I thought didn't have sports reporter now chris wise has left. Surprised lee power passed the fit and proper test, can't be that bad.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:34:03 @SamMorshead_SA: Sitting on information at request of club ahead of a specified embargo or mention of one only to be shafted three times in a week. Not fun.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Levi lapper on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:34:56 Crouch seems to have disappeared then....shame as he seemed to have a bit of credibilty. Can Si Pie dig us some dirt on Shah? A woman who is apparently President of the chartered institute of journalists :hmmm: Shirley some mistake? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:39:55 @SamMorshead_SA: Sitting on information at request of club ahead of a specified embargo or mention of one only to be shafted three times in a week. Not fun. What were the news items that shafted Sammy boy? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:41:50 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/10536136.Shah_added_to_Town_board/
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Levi lapper on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:44:50 What were the news items that shafted Sammy boy? The ones the BBC have been reporting perhaps? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:45:16 @SamMorshead_SA: Sitting on information at request of club ahead of a specified embargo or mention of one only to be shafted three times in a week. Not fun. BBC Wilts releasing stuff before the Adver perhaps?Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:45:45 Serious question. Have we ever had a female board member before? (Fairly sure that Sandy Grey was not a board member, but Company Sec/FC?)
She has an impressive CV. Not sure whether her skills will translate in to the world of lower league football, but we'll see. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Levi lapper on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:47:57 Serious question. Have we ever had a female board member before? (Fairly sure that Sandy Grey was not a board member, but Company Sec/FC?) She has an impressive CV. Not sure whether her skills will translate in to the world of lower league football, but we'll see. An Asian woman with gravitas, right out of left field, very encouraging IMHO Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:55:09 Is she fit?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: london_red on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 16:59:19 Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:04:10 can't figure out what the hell she's doing at STFC.
this club gets more and more bizarre Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:04:50 BBC Wilts releasing stuff before the Adver perhaps? Again!!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:06:09 can't figure out what the hell she's doing at STFC. Why not? She obviously has a lot of business experience and my initial take on looking at her previous positions she may be looking at the marketing side as well as the accounting.this club gets more and more bizarre Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:08:48 With Lee Power now confirmed as a director, I wonder what happened to the other guy, whose name eludes me - the high ranking accountant!!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:13:19 She's the high flying Asian economist who's advised the Government, he's the ex Norwich striker with the chequered past in publishing, they are the original odd couple - How they ever crimes is a mystery.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:18:36 She's got quite an impressive CV on the face of it. Bit of a random addition.
Looks like the club may be wrestling away the Advers stranglehold on the exclusives as well. Either that or the BBC are a bit trigger happy. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:21:32 @SamMorshead_SA: Sitting on information at request of club ahead of a specified embargo or mention of one only to be shafted three times in a week. Not fun. Not really a turn of phrase to throw around when talking STFC and the current Board. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:24:05 Here was me thinking we'd brought an Iranian King onto the board.
Her CV looks impressive as others have said, but will be interesting to see how it translates. An Asian woman with gravitas, right out of left field, very encouraging IMHO Are there other clubs with asian women on their boards, even in a non-executive role? Other than Blackburn of course, the Venkys probably give out board roles to family members in place of birthday presents. I'm confused by moosehead's tweet. Does he mean he sat on his hands instead of breaking news of a potential embargo around the new board only for them to gift BBC the stories recently? How long ago was this? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: manc_red on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:39:21 The fact that appointments are now being communicated properly to fans and shareholders is an encouraging sign if nothing else.
Be interested to find out more details about Shah's role. At least we have some credible business acumen on the board though at last. I expect her first job will be to knock up a powerpoint sharpish for the presentation next week. :) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:44:28 No word from morshead yet, just the bbc who I thought didn't have sports reporter now chris wise has left. Surprised lee power passed the fit and proper test, can't be that bad. The BBC have always been the first to the bigger stories. Adver need to up their game.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Levi lapper on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:51:57 The BBC have always been the first to the bigger stories. Adver need to up their game. Have you offered to be their sauce? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 17:55:47 They couldn't afford my wages.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 18:02:42 Crouch seems to have disappeared then....shame as he seemed to have a bit of credibilty. Can Si Pie dig us some dirt on Shah? I think Shah offers credibility, though I'd more very surprised if she was anything more than a part time consultant. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 18:13:02 I think Shah offers credibility, though I'd more very surprised if she was anything more than a part time consultant. Hopefully a media/PR consultant Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: BenTheRed on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 18:31:35 Hopefully a media/PR consultant [/quote sounds like she's more useful than the guys who left Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 18:49:00 The BBC have always been the first to the bigger stories. Adver need to up their game. Didn't you predict that Lee Power would fail the fit and proper test? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 18:50:56 Not that I can remember, if you can find the post then I will hold my hands up but fairly certain I didn't say that. I commented on the grilling that King got but nothing on Power.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 18:52:25 "Murrall reveals that the Legends Lounge will be halved to accommodate more corporate hospitality,"
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 18:53:33 Not that I can remember, if you can find the post then I will hold my hands up but fairly certain I didn't say that. I commented on the grilling that King got but nothing on Power. Fair enough. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 18:55:29 "Murrall reveals that the Legends Lounge will be halved to accommodate more corporate hospitality," Absolute joke. The sooner this lot fuck off the better. Bad to worse.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:04:12 "Murrall reveals that the Legends Lounge will be halved to accommodate more corporate hospitality," Good, we need to get more money generated from hospitality. Enough other places for people to get a pre match pint especially if they are putting in more beer outlets around the ground. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:05:20 Concerts to make us £300k per annum. I'm sure it was reported higher than that but still a very good bit of income.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:08:50 The non playing staff cuts werent quite as drastic as they first seemed. Of the 14 posts that went 7 of them were TUPEed across to that Lindley Group.
Makes sense I suppose. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:13:15 Concerts to make us £300k per annum. I'm sure it was reported higher than that but still a very good bit of income. £1.8M if they sell out. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:14:23 £1.8M if they sell out. Yeah I've just realised that. £2m of additional revenue streams forecast for all of the new things the board is introducing. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:22:28 Apparently the club is now on a level footing. I wish that question would have been worded differently.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:24:52 Apparently the club is now on a level footing. I wish that question would have been worded differently. I'm going tomorrow and it was something I was going to ask but in a different way. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:29:14 oops, sounds like a bit of an own goal already. Earlier in the live business plan on the adver site it mentioned about the presentation of £5k from the supporters club and SAS travel to be used to revamp the legends lounge. First question from Roger Bunce:
Q (Roger Bunce): I'm really disappointed that the money has been spent to do up this room (the Legends Lounge) and there may be problems when you get to the first game of the season. A: Comments are obviously going to be taken on board. I'm not trying to alienate the fanbase but I'm trying to make sure the revenue lines cover the cost of the football. Let me have a look at it because if there are other alternatives then we will look at them. I have had to make decisions without talking to everybody involved. We are open to changing decisions if it is right for the business. Murrall: "We've got an obligation to Lindleys to create more corporate facilities". Q: Might you look at taking sponsorship for the Legends Lounge? A: I didn't realise the debate that would be generated through this. Actually, scrap that, the £5k wasn't being used for that.... My bad! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:32:34 I don't think the £5k was for the legends lounge. Wasn't it done up ages ago (when the name changed)?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:33:07 Quote Sangita Shah is now being introduced to the audience. She says: "I feel priviliged to be here. I'm here purely through passion, belief in Jed and I believe this is a really good opportunity to bring corporate oversight and community sustainability to the club. I wonder if she's been added to the board as a favour in order to lend Jed some much needed credibility"I can't influence things on the pitch but I can certainly influence things off the pitch to make sure that you don't have to worry about what's going on in the board room." Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:34:00 I don't think the £5k was for the legends lounge. Wasn't it done up ages ago (when the name changed)? Yeah, just retracted my statement.... :D Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:34:05 I don't think Jed exists, I don't believe in Jed.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:40:24 The Legends Lounge paint job and photos a few years ago was funded by the Supporters club I think, so I guess a few of them are in attendance and less than pleased that their work is partly being removed for the prawn sandwich brigade. They'll get over it. Even a half sized legends lounge can be a decent enough sized bar for a football ground. Plenty of opportunities in the concourses to expand the offering there anyway, and that gets people up close to the food, where the cash is raked in.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:44:41 Come to end of questions. So, after hearing about up to £2m of revenue generation, new appointments to the Board of Directors, fundamental changes in ticketing, a programme of community involvement and information on recent cost cutting efforts, the only thing our supporter attendance could muster would appear to be disgruntled reactions to losing a few square ft and pictures from an oversized bar with quite frankly too much seating anyway. Get em standing, they drink more.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: RWB Robin on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:54:47 Come to end of questions. So, after hearing about up to £2m of revenue generation, new appointments to the Board of Directors, fundamental changes in ticketing, a programme of community involvement and information on recent cost cutting efforts, the only thing our supporter attendance could muster would appear to be disgruntled reactions to losing a few square and pictures from an oversized bar with quite frankly too much seating anyway. Get em standing, they drink more. This was presentation to local business. Supporters presentation is tomorrow evening. I believe Roger Bunce was there tonight because it was more convenient for him. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:55:02 People have been bitching and moaning for weeks/months about wanting answers and rightly so. Yet when the opportunity comes to ask questions directly, the questions put forward are about the legends lounge.
The presentation sounded interesting but the question session sounded a bit of a wasted opportunity. I do hope there will be more probing questions tomorrow regarding the board's plans for the future and what not Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:58:07 This was presentation to local business. Supporters presentation is tomorrow evening. I believe Roger Bunce was there tonight because it was more convenient for him. All the more reason why questions about important stuff should have been expected given the audience. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 19:59:37 I'm sure the great unwashed will manage to find somewhere else to stand uncomfortably whilst surrounded by B.O. drenched replica shirts and drink overpriced lager.
Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 20:01:01 I can imagine the Q&A tomorrow night descending into a bit of a farce. Were the Trust in attendance tonight?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 20:02:05 Were the Trust in attendance tonight? No, we're going tomorrow. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 20:16:29 Lets hope the trust can ask some more meaningful questions than 'is Power still involved in stables in Oxfordshire'. Wouldn't count on it mind.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 20:22:50 Lets hope the trust can ask some more meaningful questions than 'is Power still involved in stables in Oxfordshire'. Wouldn't count on it mind. Don't you already know the answers anyway?! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 20:29:03 'is Power still involved in stables in Oxfordshire'. Neigh !! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 21:09:56 Don't you already know the answers anyway?! He he!! I am surprised that Chang didn't know Austin would fail his medical, well if he did he forgot to put it on here!!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 21:15:26 This was presentation to local business. Supporters presentation is tomorrow evening. I believe Roger Bunce was there tonight because it was more convenient for him. People have been bitching and moaning for weeks/months about wanting answers and rightly so. Yet when the opportunity comes to ask questions directly, the questions put forward are about the legends lounge. The time for people to bitch and moan is tomorrow. Tonight was for local buisinesss as a marketing presentation I imagine. The money that's been invested in the Legends Lounge is likely not a small amount for the Supporters Club. It's understandable that they're disappointed it's being used to create prawn brigade boxes instead of being available for the supporters it was intended for. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 21:22:56 Personally I think its a bit of a shame for the fans that use it that the Legends is being halved. I don't use it myself much, but when I do it always seems busy.
I do agree with whoever said there are a lot of seats in there though. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 21:35:30 The BBC have always been the first to the bigger stories. Adver need to up their game. This being the same Adver who referred very blatantly to you as I quote 'a bored adolescent struggling with puberty' I think that Mr Moosehead is very much on his game! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Christy on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 21:38:04 Lets hope the trust can ask some more meaningful questions than 'is Power still involved in stables in Oxfordshire'. Wouldn't count on it mind. That's actually a tough one: there are more comings and goings at those stables than the second half of a pre-season friendly, I tell ye. So I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to that one! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 23:42:26 are these stables in Oxford the Augean stables Missy Chang?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: digby on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 12:48:21 Hi, anybody know if its still possible to go to the meeting tonight, as not a member of Trust or Supporters club. If so how do u get/how much are the tickets ?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 13:09:09 Personally I think its a bit of a shame for the fans that use it that the Legends is being halved. I don't use it myself much, but when I do it always seems busy. I do agree with whoever said there are a lot of seats in there though. You mess with the SC at your peril....they used to have their own separate facility in the Car Park back of the CGH..when the Arkells was built they had the Rendezvous Club...it was the decision to throw them out of there and turn it into corporates, which really started the rot of STFC moving away from being community club...to being more like any other failing business. This decision is in line with that... Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 13:15:12 I can't make tonight unfortunately. If people are able to attend, for the q and a, please try and probe for substance in the answers. My overriding feeling at the moment is that the board give paper thin responses which are accepted by the majority of the fans. The question last night asking "is the club on a level footing" is a case in point. For instance, what is meant by level footing? In what way are we level as we're over budget and have unproven revenue streams.
If people are stuck for questions: If the strategy is a youthful, low cost playing squad coached by a proven youth coach (McDonald), why was Ian Wright nearly appointed? What is the Byrne fee? Why have we paid a substantial figure for a position where we have good cover. Even if he is rated, is this money not better spent elsewhere (redundant roles, experienced players, reducing budget overspend). It's completely out of kilter with the supposed strategy. Why did it take so long to formally appoint Power? The fans have a valid concern that he took so long to pass the fit and proper persons test. How can he explain the improper conduct of his.publishing business? Shah 's role is as a non exec. How many days will she be at the club per month/year. I would assume she'll attend board meetings, no more. What are the plans for redevelopment? How many meetings have taken place with planners and the council, and what are the next steps? Tonight needs to be about understanding the rationale for them being here. Not.understanding if we can sit in the legends for a pint. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 13:21:18 A football club has to make money, If we can make more money through hospitality than a couple of pints then so be it.
How many people will stop watching the town just because they can’t go in the LL before a game?! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 13:21:39 Just on a the Morsehead/Embargo tweet - When a story is released by any organisation (STFC in this case) it can often have an embargo i.e. the content can't be published in any form before a certain time. This can be to protect the organisation, or give the dailies fresh copy for the morning papers etc.
The new board member (broken by BBC) and the double signing last week (Mass and Grant? announced on Twitter by Jed) are two examples of Sam following an embargo, and getting trumped by people who don't. Not sure what the third one is. Beeb are bang out of order if they are breaking embargoes, and Jed.... well it's Jed. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 13:22:01 Tonight needs to be about understanding the rationale for them being here. Not understanding if we can sit in the legends for a pint. (http://www.theagedp.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/english-idioms-hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg) Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 13:25:52 A football club has to make money, If we can make more money through hospitality than a couple of pints then so be it. How many people will stop watching the town just because they can’t go in the LL before a game?! This would be a lot more of an issue for me if the ground wasn't surrounded by pubs. (Quick search on yell.com shows that there are 27 of them within a 1 mile radius of the ground. And I suspect that there are a good few missed off that list.) Edit: Straight off, I can think of a lot of pubs not on the list. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 13:40:50 This would be a lot more of an issue for me if the ground wasn't surrounded by pubs. (Quick search on yell.com shows that there are 27 of them within a 1 mile radius of the ground. And I suspect that there are a good few missed off that list.) Edit: Straight off, I can think of a lot of pubs not on the list. Not really the issue is it....more like how can you rattle on about wanting to be a community club...then casually piss off a bunch of people who historically have given STFC both time and funds. After all said who paid for the TE ? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 13:53:45 Not really the issue is it....more like how can you rattle on about wanting to be a community club...then casually piss off a bunch of people who historically have given STFC both time and funds. After all said who paid for the TE ? But not every Town fan uses the Legends lounge, they are halving the capacity not shutting it and creating new alcohol outlets around the ground. I hardly see halving the capacity of a bar as the club losing it's community status. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:00:10 Not really the issue is it....more like how can you rattle on about wanting to be a community club...then casually piss off a bunch of people who historically have given STFC both time and funds. After all said who paid for the TE ? Ah good news then really.If the only thing people can moan about is this then happy days.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Tails on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:08:07 Not really the issue is it....more like how can you rattle on about wanting to be a community club...then casually piss off a bunch of people who historically have given STFC both time and funds. After all said who paid for the TE ? You seem to think 'community' lies exclusively within the Supporters Club. Thin and petty argument really. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:14:22 Not really the issue is it....more like how can you rattle on about wanting to be a community club...then casually piss off a bunch of people who historically have given STFC both time and funds. After all said who paid for the TE ? I take your point, sort of - but this does strike me as one of those instances where the right decision has been taken on balance, albeit with a little collateral damage. I don't really want to get in to a debate about what constitutes a 'community club', but think Trashbat? has it about right. Reducing the size of an in house drinking facility doesn't really spell the death of that status for me. Besides, the Legends Lounge does take up a lot of room at present. A lot. It's a huge space that (and this is by no means a dig at the Supporters' Club or anyone else) isn't really kitted out that well anyway. The Club has taken a commercial decision that, all being well, should bring a real benefit in the long run. Catering facilities at the ground are quite rightly slated by the fans. They're abysmal. And the Club is now doing something about it. Never going to please everyone all of the time, I guess. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: kaufman on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:14:31 Just on a the Morsehead/Embargo tweet - When a story is released by any organisation (STFC in this case) it can often have an embargo i.e. the content can't be published in any form before a certain time. This can be to protect the organisation, or give the dailies fresh copy for the morning papers etc. The new board member (broken by BBC) and the double signing last week (Mass and Grant? announced on Twitter by Jed) are two examples of Sam following an embargo, and getting trumped by people who don't. Not sure what the third one is. Beeb are bang out of order if they are breaking embargoes, and Jed.... well it's Jed. Sam's tweets were not aimed at the BBC, only the club if you read through them. The BBC and Adver then had to just get in first with the tweets. Transfers rumours come from all many different sources, agents, e.t.c that have no loyalty to the club, only to generate interest. It's clearly obvious all local media is getting to grips with the way the club are handling their news at present. It must be very frustrating trying to form a relationship with a club and then having to run stories that the club are not going to like. It's a balancing act. I imagine this is the case at all clubs. You only have to look at Bournemouth and Southampton in recent time to see what it can lead to. Chris Tanner decided to leave so there's an argument to say he may have become frustrated with it all. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:15:29 Tonight needs to be about understanding the rationale for them being here. Not.understanding if we can sit in the legends for a pint. Exactly. Though clearly the Legends is a hot topic, it would be a wasted opportunity if it dominated the Q+A for a second night running. What I'd like answered, is given that the current playing policy is relying heavily on individuals and their relationships (IE Sherwood + Power, KMac being a respected coach for youths), is there a plan B in case these individuals change roles? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:23:06 I would like to know if there is a Plan B should the concerts and My world not provide the projected revenue?!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:24:08 Sam's tweets were not aimed at the BBC, only the club if you read through them. The BBC and Adver then had to just get in first with the tweets. I've never understood why the Adver "tweets" anyway. Do they make money from this? I'd of thought they'd want to keep any scoops for the morning newspaper. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:28:29 I would like to know if there is a Plan B should the concerts and My world not provide the projected revenue?! Yup, can't judge the MyWorld concept yet as don't know enough about it, but the gigs don't seem to be a huge success so far judging by ticket sales. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:55:50 Does anyone know the sales figures so far?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:58:04 Yup, can't judge the MyWorld concept yet as don't know enough about it, but the gigs don't seem to be a huge success so far judging by ticket sales. I know nothing really about the MyWorld concept but as far as the gigs are concerned they must be a success as there is a guaranteed £150,000 income for one weekend! Whether this is the only weekend it is held only time will tell, but I would have thought that sort of income in an off-season weekend is pretty damn good!Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 14:59:33 Does anyone know the sales figures so far? I thought the Adver were hinting at around 10,000 for the whole weekend so far, not that shabby considering the way it was handled originally and the real lack of publicity it has been given.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 15:03:56 I thought the Adver were hinting at around 10,000 for the whole weekend so far, not that shabby considering the way it was handled originally and the real lack of publicity it has been given. http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10534094.Still_lots_of_tickets_for_summer_concert/ Looks like they have sold about 4,500 for the whole weekend so far. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 15:06:19 I know nothing really about the MyWorld concept but as far as the gigs are concerned they must be a success as there is a guaranteed £150,000 income for one weekend! Whether this is the only weekend it is held only time will tell, but I would have thought that sort of income in an off-season weekend is pretty damn good! I think it's a guaranteed 300k. 150k per gig. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 15:12:34 Yup, can't judge the MyWorld concept yet as don't know enough about it, but the gigs don't seem to be a huge success so far judging by ticket sales Depends how you define success,it has already made more money than the Elton John concertTitle: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 15:39:19 Depends how you define success,it has already made more money than the Elton John concert To me it depends if the promoter has made enough money to try it again next year. That's not to say a one off 300K is to be sniffed at, but a regular extra 300K would be great. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 15:51:22 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10534094.Still_lots_of_tickets_for_summer_concert/ Sorry, I read that as per gig not the whole weekend!Looks like they have sold about 4,500 for the whole weekend so far. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 17:23:17 Depends how you define success,it has already made more money than the Elton John concert My point was more that if these aren't a success (and the ticket sales would suggest they aren't) would they happen again? And if not, what would make up for that shortfall in revenue? It's something I'd like raised tonight, annoyingly I'm not going to be there. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 17:57:38 I still think there's potential for concerts to be successful...but these don't tend to be very well promoted.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Wednesday, July 10, 2013, 18:15:42 Been very little promotion/advertisement of the concerts... I thought there would be posters plastered all over town ect
Though 300k is decent cash even if nobody turns up - 4.5k isn't a great turnout for the whole weekend, but that'd surely only increase year on year with greater credibility and more professional promotion? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: The_Doctor on Monday, July 15, 2013, 15:41:44 Why are we sending the squad to Portugal for pre-season training camp when we are trying to reduce our put-goings? Seems a totally unnecessary expense!
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Monday, July 15, 2013, 15:46:12 Is that a serious question
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, July 15, 2013, 15:56:10 Is that a serious question If you referring to the Portugal trip then I think it is a fair question. Most of fitness work will be done, and if its just for a couple of games we could have got those here. Not like there isnt any hot baking sun on offer here is it Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Batch on Monday, July 15, 2013, 15:59:47 Could be beneficial for a bit of bonding with the new manager, if we have one by then.
If there is no new manager in place it seems utterly pointless to me. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 15, 2013, 16:09:07 I'd be hoping that a new manager is in place as soon as physically possible to get as much pre-season work under the belt.
Wouldn't surprise me if we already have something in the pipeline, we didn't hang around with KMac if memory serves? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: DRS on Monday, July 15, 2013, 16:10:27 The team have no manager,they are better off being away from the spotlight and listening to the negativity that is around at the moment. They are young players in a new team. I think it could do them the world of good at this time
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 15, 2013, 16:10:44 I'd be hoping that a new manager is in place as soon as physically possible to get as much pre-season work under the belt. 10 days from PdC leaving till KMac was announced.Wouldn't surprise me if we already have something in the pipeline, we didn't hang around with KMac if memory serves? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 15, 2013, 16:18:42 10 days from PdC leaving till KMac was announced. Which relatively speaking was quite prompt compared to eternity it took to get Wilson....125 pages of classic TEF bollocks...the new manager thread can only dream of matching such heights Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 15, 2013, 16:37:32 Which relatively speaking was quite prompt compared to eternity it took to get Wilson....125 pages of classic TEF bollocks...the new manager thread can only dream of matching such heights It was indeed, checking back it was 42 days from the sacking of MM until DW was appointed.Previously the time between Luggy leaving and MM joining was 41 days so fairly comparable also. 10 days was very quick, maybe a little too rushed even? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: kerry red on Monday, July 15, 2013, 16:55:40 Unless they have had someone lined up for a while and are just waiting an appropriate amount of time before unveiling him/her
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Crispy on Monday, July 15, 2013, 16:59:37 I posted this in the manager thread, prehaps it might be more suitable here, to do with the board.
I first said 'Oh, No markets for it in Stan James' or something similar... Just asked our traders.. interesting.. Jordan Crisp {Devizes 318}: Afternoon all, is there any betting on the next Swindon Town manager? Can't see any in the system on closed & live ***** (7020): we are not getting involved in this market ***** (7020): some sort of board member with stan james or Swindon has a connection with the club so we cant bet on it Anybody have any idea? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, July 15, 2013, 17:03:19 PM'd.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: 4D on Monday, July 15, 2013, 17:04:03 Is it you?
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 15, 2013, 17:12:29 It was indeed, checking back it was 42 days from the sacking of MM until DW was appointed. Previously the time between Luggy leaving and MM joining was 41 days so fairly comparable also. 10 days was very quick, maybe a little too rushed even? There was a bit of controversy at the time about length of contract...insofar as most people thought it would be tilthe end of season, but 2.5 years was stated....until a bit later when KMac himself seemed to put that in doubt. It would be highly unusual for a manager to walk away from 2 years of wonga, with nothing else in place...also given our finanaces paying up 2 years then appointing someone on similar seems a bit strange. Maybe he never had the longer contract. Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 15, 2013, 17:20:26 I posted this in the manager thread, prehaps it might be more suitable here, to do with the board. I would imagine it has something to do with Lee Powers involvement with Racing Plus who is an affiliate of Stan James.I first said 'Oh, No markets for it in Stan James' or something similar... Anybody have any idea? Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 15, 2013, 17:21:40 There was a bit of controversy at the time about length of contract...insofar as most people thought it would be tilthe end of season, but 2.5 years was stated....until a bit later when KMac himself seemed to put that in doubt. It would be highly unusual for a manager to walk away from 2 years of wonga, with nothing else in place...also given our finanaces paying up 2 years then appointing someone on similar seems a bit strange. Maybe he never had the longer contract. I had forgotten that there was some doubt thrown up at the end of last season over the length of KMacs contract, could be that he was on some kind of rolling contract renewed each season or something like that.Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Crispy on Monday, July 15, 2013, 17:39:14 Title: Re: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: herthab on Monday, July 15, 2013, 17:45:58 Chang acting like billy big bollocks.
Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, July 15, 2013, 17:47:47 Chang acting like billy big bollocks. (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llcuj3vt5n1qagjn7o1_500.gif)Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Crispy on Monday, July 15, 2013, 17:51:19 (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llcuj3vt5n1qagjn7o1_500.gif) PM please? Interested in what you might no about this! Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Berniman on Monday, July 15, 2013, 18:38:59 I would imagine it has something to do with Lee Powers involvement with Racing Plus who is an affiliate of Stan James. You can't just post facts like that on the public domain, you must PM people and post that you have PM'd to extend the mystery and pretend that you are member of a secret society of knowledge. How do you expect to develop your online persona otherwise? Others have done it on here and it has done their reputation no harm at all. Sort it out JJ, I thought you knew better! :nonono: Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Crispy on Monday, July 15, 2013, 18:42:31 For what it's worth, he PM'd me pretty much saying saying...
'Venkman is right with Power" Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Monday, July 15, 2013, 18:44:13 For what it's worth, he PM'd me pretty much saying saying... 'Venkman is right with Power" ITK Title: Re: The Board, consultancy fees, Mercs and how to identify a duck Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 16, 2013, 06:45:15 You can't just post facts like that on the public domain, you must PM people and post that you have PM'd to extend the mystery and pretend that you are member of a secret society of knowledge. Sorry Berni, I should have known better...slapped hand :)How do you expect to develop your online persona otherwise? Others have done it on here and it has done their reputation no harm at all. Sort it out JJ, I thought you knew better! :nonono: |