Coronavirus

[suttonred]

Not sure what your occupation is, but I am finding it's hard to get laptops at decent prices and am struggling with iPads. Chromebooks on the other hand are easier albeit a bit longer to wait for delivery.

Local Govt/Educational IT Manager probably starts to cover it. I talk a lot with suppliers and the like. No real work really..

[normy]

Sorry, but if it's a straight choice between Hancock who has already repeatedly lied and misled throughout this crisis, or the Permanent UnderSec of the FO, who has no axe to grind, and who TBF did try to dodge answering the question so wasn't trying to drop the govt in it, I'm afraid Hancock isn't getting my vote.

Looks like Hancock lied , he should condsider resignation.

[pauld]

He is trying to get a rise out of you

That's very good

[pauld]

Two pieces of positive news last night/today: two separate projects working on a vaccine in Oxford and Imperial College are showing good progress (usual caveats apply, but always good to hear of progress) and statisticians' analysis of NHS England figures for daily deaths suggests we passed the peak of deaths a few weeks ago.

[pauld]

Bloody hell, Finanical Times analysis of ONS stats shows UK death toll likely to be more like 41,000 than the 17,000 deaths in hospital being reported

https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab

That gives us the 2nd worst death toll in the world, just behind the US, but with a significantly smaller population.

[Bogus Dave]

Does that include a similar analysis of other countries figures? Because if it doesn’t you’re comparing apples with pears and can’t make that conclusion

[pauld]

Does that include a similar analysis of other countries figures? Because if it doesn’t you’re comparing apples with pears and can’t make that conclusion

That's true, but then so do the current figures, as most countries do include deaths in care homes for example.

[Panda Paws]

That's true, but then so do the current figures, as most countries do include deaths in care homes for example.

So what we've learnt is any comparison between countries is completely statistically irrelevant because of zero consistency and we should all stop doing them?

[suttonred]

That's true, but then so do the current figures, as most countries do include deaths in care homes for example.

Other countries will be well under reported due to various issues as well. I'm actually worrying about how many homeless people may have died unnoticed. The govt figures of them are a joke as everyone bar them knows. There could well be 100's or 1000's out there in underpasses etc. That goes for every country btw.

[pauld]

So what we've learnt is any comparison between countries is completely statistically irrelevant because of zero consistency and we should all stop doing them?

Yes and no. It's not a competition to see who can be worst, but equally even given the inevitable inaccuracies the UK, US, Italy and Spain are clearly doing much worse than Germany and South Korea for example

[Batch]

So what we've learnt is any comparison between countries is completely statistically irrelevant because of zero consistency and we should all stop doing them?

we the public, or we everyone?

because there's obviously a lot to be learned from countries that may be doing better than us, if we can normalise the figures

[Panda Paws]

we the public, or we everyone?

because there's obviously a lot to be learned from countries that may be doing better than us, if we can normalise the figures

Mostly the media.

[Mr Stevens]

I'm a little bit angry at the ministers who claim that they have delivered 1 billion items of PPE. What the fuck does that mean without context!

It's also very well patting each other on the back about building 800 hospitals but what use is that if there are no nurses to staff them.

Theirs is certainly not a job that I would envy but putting out meaningless numbers is just err.... meaningless.

And annoying.

[ron dodgers]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52362707 might explain a little

[StfcRusty]

Had an email from Tesco CEO today (as I’m a customer) and in it it says;

“The good news is that our colleague absence rate is dropping and is now at around 41,000”

41,000 Tesco staff are off sick or self isolating?! Or would that include those who can’t get childcare?
Either way, those working in checkouts are unsung heroes in all this.