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Not sure to what degree this wold affcet us, and cannot really be bothered to think about it in any detail!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35919247

Would be good for the game if it happened but it's a pretty slim chance the "leave" campaign win so probably irrelevant

It would make little difference to us at all, other than no more journeymen French players, which would be a loss on the amusement front but not much else.

As to the wider game, I'm sure Prem clubs would find ways around the rules, bit like cricket with the notorious Kolpak players.

Here if a country have a trade agreement with the EU, then they have free movement of labour....which is just about anybody.

UK will set up its own agreements on exit.

Is this supposed to be a bad thing?!

Current voting intention is something like 45% to leave, 41% remain, with the rest undecided.

I saw a first Vote Leave poster walking through Wroughton yesterday....

Europe can afford to let Wroughton go.

Wroughton seems a "fog in the Channel, Europe cut off" sort of place.

Just another way to twist the "stay" campaign - put the frighteners on the footy fans!  Won't affect me, more interested in protecting our borders (millions of turkish citizens just waiting to come to our shores), not paying to be in the "club" where Germany and France dictate and where our laws are our laws - unless Sharia law intervenes!!  You can probably guess it is a large OUT for me!  :bye:

Scare mongering.

Going to be lots of this from both sides in the build up.

hahahahahaha mongery of the highest standard

I'm beginning to think I must be a bit thick. Everyone I know seems to have really strong views on whether we remain in The EU or not. They must have all got a really good grasp on the socio-economic pros & cons and have thoroughly researched each side before coming to a logical conclusion.

Or not......

Not that fucking Shania law again.

Just looking at the fuckwits that promote staying in is enough to persuade me to vote OUT.

That and the undemocratic nature of the EU.

Whatever happened to 'no taxation without representation'?

Pollsters are going for 3 in a row for getting it spectacularly wrong after Scots referendum and the election

So, with a 4% difference which result would be spectacularly wrong

Considering that the out supporters includes such well respected big wigs as Boris, Farage, Gove, IDS, Donald Trump, George Galloway - I cannot decide whether you are being ironic or not.  

If people are going to base their vote by listening to the whole spectrum  of fuckwitery, we are in trouble!

Gut feeling for me is make a break come what may

 East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet. R. Kipling

That don't impress me much S. Twain

And he was right. It is time to put a stop to mass Muslim immigration from North Africa and the Middle East into Europe. We are in grave danger of destroying the fragile first world culture that has taken two and a half thousand years and millions of deaths to achieve. Replace it with what? A medieval ideology?


Trump is spot on about nearly everything.

I wouldn't go for a haircut with him for starters.

I'm also 95% convinced he wants to bang his own daughter.

At least George W Bush quotes had their own laughter track

http://youtu.be/KjmjqlOPd6A

I loved Bush, he was full of entertainment value.

We have Phil the Greek, the Yanks have Dubbya. And Palin. And Romney. And Trump.....

So what is that supposed to prove then John? That you read and listen to the mainstream media and swallow all of the out of context, misrepresented and misinformation that they spew out? You're the guy that slags Buzzfeed off yet it just shows you as being a hypocrite for believing the bullshit that the MSM vomit up about Trump.

It's because he is funding his own campaign that he is not beholden to any lobbyists, any political correctness wonks or a media luvvy/lapdog that he can actually say what the fuck he wants. Ah, someone who is in the public spotlight who is not in the pay of anyone for once. How terrible! Attack, attack, attack! You don't get to be worth $10bn by being an idiot, although that is what the media and by implication you, you cunt, believe.

Let's take your points and provide context for these quotes, shall we? For once let's have objectivity and not bias if that's ok with you?


Well, you could get the quote right to begin with. What he said was:

He was talking about illegal immigrants (a subset of immigrants) and a subset of those (a subset of illegal immigrants).

Donald Trump:
"It seems like I'm some sort of whipping post because I bring it up. And I don't understand whether you are a liberal or whether you are conservative or whether you are a Republican, Democrat - why wouldn't you talk about a problem? The crime is raging, It's violent and people don't want to even talk about it. If you talk about it you are a racist. I don't understand it."

Trump had specifically referenced a Fusion article stating that according to directors of migrant shelters, a "staggering 80% of Central American girls and women crossing Mexico en route to the United States are raped along the way."


Trump was being followed around by a Rolling Stone reporter and he made those comments about Carly Fiorina. Trump later commented: "I'm talking about her persona. Her persona is not going to be - she's not going to be president... And what she's saying about my hair , I know that's ok and you won't defend ME."

In 2010, Carly Fiorina was also caught criticising - her opponent - Senator Barabara Boxer's hair into an open microphone: "God, what is that hair" followed by a long laugh and the comment "So, yesterday." Fiorina's campaign dismissed the comments as "early morning small talk" but Trump's comments are a grievous attack on all women.


The mainstream media has regularly joked about the "absurdity" of Mexico paying for the creation of a wall along the Southern United States border. It is claimed that Trump refuses to offer details on how this would be done, but specifics were included in his original immigration policy paper:

"Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards - of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico (tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options). We will not be taken advantage of anymore."


Since China joined the WTO, Americans have witnessed the closure of more than 50,000 factories and the loss of tens of millions of jobs. They DO NOT reciprocate on open trade in the opposite direction. Trump's policy is:

1. Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.

2. Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.

3. Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.

4. Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism.

This all looks reasonable to me.

And your point was what, John?

<sigh>

Based on what exactly Ells? 95% conjecture, rumour and media bias? Got any FACTS to back that up?

Ok, so the fact that possibly - just possibly - there is a person who might just save your comfy sofa, idiot lantern and ready meal lifestyle from destruction by the third world hordes (by association what happens in the USA DOES affect us) has a coiffure that doesn't please you rules him out?

Fucking hell...

It's up to the good people of the US, if they want Trump. It's up to the good people of the UK and Gibraltar if we want to leave the EU.

I'd guess you favour Brexit and England becoming the 51st State.

Did Reg just remind anyone else about that terrible film starring Sammy L Jackson and Robert Carlilye?

Or a The The song

 :nod: Any excuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrILqlaUlE

Donald Trump has so many business failures it's hard to see how he won't fuck up running a country.

"All I know is what's on the internet"

Donald Trump. Taken out of context granted, but this reminded me of it.

You can dress it up however much you want but his anti-women views are abundantly clear. Not to mention his refusal to condemn white supremacy, his encouraging of violence against people who rally against him and his ridiculous statement that he could shoot someone in the centre of New York and not lose voters. Egotistical fool. Unfortunately a very rich one.

Trump doesn't believe very much of what he is saying in the campaign - he's not completely stupid, he's busy peddling an image that gets votes in the primaries.  He's pandering a message that the less educated, lower income families, mainly white but also some long standing immigrants as it happens, happen to lap up.  That America used to be great and by being anti establishment and bullying the world outside it can once again be so.

He's not much of a believer in that - he trades quite openly with any country that'll help him make $$'s.  He just knows this is an untapped way of getting into the front runner position of a more than two horse race in the Republican party (less likely to succeed in the Democrat party due to the need to pander more to women's interests, equality, healthcare etc.).

The real worry in that race is Ted Cruz - he firmly believes what he peddles.

I think he's mostly pandering to a large vote base, which doesn't say much for youessay.

That you are an absolute cretin. Thanks for confirming.

I can't believe that Alan is actually sympathising with Donald Trump's political agenda.

Even before this current campaign it was clear how much of a cunt Trump is.
Check out the programme about what he did to people who lived near his golf course development In Scotland.
I'd rather be wrong  than go along with such an individual as him.

I can't believe anyone even thinks Trump has a political agenda. Other than "Vote for me". He just makes shit up at random, then contradicts himself or pretends he hasn't said it when it becomes obvious it's arrant nonsense or not as popular as he thought it was. He's like a brasher, richer, cruder Boris Johnson

I can't believe Alan replied to Ells with something other than a creepy stalkery response!

I can't believe it's not butter

The internet truly proves the saying; 'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing'. Everyone is now an expert on everything and it's easy to validate any view you may hold by using Google.

Ain't that the truth.

Very few people have an original thought.

Well no, that quote is one good example. It's fucking creepy. 

And who exactly at the evil MSM manipulated this picture for us naive fools to interpret as DODGY AS ALL FUCKING FUCK?
https://imgur.com/a/EUibG

What's the point of the "he's not actually that stupid, just manipulating his audience" argument? It's kind of the "Katie Hopkins defence" - That surely only makes it worse, that anyone would exploit something so destructive for popularity.

I know a lot of people who blame their problems on migrants etc because they don't know any better. They've been told that's the case by the Trumps of this world. It's the people that DO know better, but choose not to, that perpetuate hatred and discrimination. They're top of the chain, and that makes their motivations irrelevant. Fuck them.

Guessing isn't really your forte, is it Reg?  :)

I don't give a toss if the United Kingdom stays in the EU or leaves. It makes no difference. The EU is a totally corrupt institution, the same way as the UK government, the US government and every other one is. Run by "politicians" who are generally evil corrupt lying sociopaths, who are always drawn to power by their very nature. I don't vote at all as I will not give my consent in acknowledging a system that is broken and allows the tyranny of the majority.


Well yes, it is interesting. I detest politics and the statist system. There is a lot about Donald Trump that I do not like (e.g. nationalism, pro-military) but that is part and parcel of the system so he will do those things. It is more to do with having the best of a bad bunch. Do we really want more of the Clinton or Bush dynasties? What did they achieve apart from more global mess? Another Obama? Who promised "change", yet the major thing he has changed in two terms of office is to put American health insurance payments through the roof with Obamacare.

Would you prefer your next door neighbour to let his house go to wrack and ruin and ultimately devalue your property, or would you prefer one who realises that the gutters need fixing, the doors need painting, the grass needs cutting and does something about it?

More to the point to me is if the West can have someone - anyone - who can stave off the collapse of our collective societies for a while longer so civilisation stands a chance of getting to a better place. Which it ultimately will when those parents who persist in hitting their children finally stop.

I honestly thought for a moment you were having a pop at Hispanic voters :D

It's been a long day.

 ;D

It's not an argument from me, just an observation. I think the bloke's a reprehensible chode.

And you think Donald Trump is the saviour? Deary me.

I'm interested to hear what you think of Sanders, who could well have the democrat nomination.

Donald Trump has rightly put several of his businesses into bankruptcy as they were bleeding money. Any astute businessman would have done the same. "So many business failures" well, that's 4 out of 515 current subsidiaries. So, so many. Come on Si, you're better than this, you should try harder as you are an accountant.

When did I say that I thought he was a saviour? To repeat:


Don't know who Sanders is, never heard of him, don't give a fuck. Trump however has actually achieved a great deal in his life which none of the other (usually lawyers) have. For that I give him some respect.

So you say he's the best of a bad bunch, and then admit that you know nothing about at least one of the others in the bunch.

OK then....

I think that it says a lot more about you than Donald Trump, Ells. Dredged up by "Hollywood Life" and "Hollywood Gossip". Naturally it shows him having intercourse with his daughter, fondling her naked breasts and generally committing incest.

Oddly enough my daughters used to sit on my lap as a matter of being father and daughter, they even put their arms around my neck when greeting me, kissed me, hugged me. They are still very affectionate because funnily enough, we love each other. It's called being related. If you ever, ever, ever insinuate that what I have is anything other than the natural relationship of a father and his female offspring then I will hunt you down and kill you, ok?

Someone's had a shandy. Put the ipad down, Al.

He'll be posting pictures of JFW next.

Yes, you found me out. Wahoo. I'm not interested in the "inclusive, diversity, political correctness" fascinated left. Mainly because they don't practice what they preach. Ever. Cunts.


Well no, not completely stupid.

In the media, a two-time Emmy Award-nominated personality. Was in the US "The Apprentice" in the Alan Sugar role on prime time TV for 11 years. Has written a whole load of successful bestselling books, is an eloquent and accomplished public speaker. Has grown a business empire that spans the globe. Is worth far more than a Mars bar and a packet of crisps.

So not completely stupid.

I can do this forever, John. As long as you continue to post like this:


Thank you too for taking to time to respond to my factual statements with your well considered reply and references that rebuke my evidence. Alternatively, you usually find that children resort to name calling when they know that they are wrong or have lost.

Love and kisses

If you measure a person solely by financial wealth, then yes Trump is someone to aspire to (His is hardly a rags to riches story though, is it?)

Not sure if that makes him suited to leading one of the most powerful nations in the world though....

Put down the Trump Vodka  :)

Nice assumptions there. My interest in "Hollywood" or any of its narratives are near 0. I've never personally owned a television. I don't read magazines. I find celebrity culture to be one of the most odious things on the planet. Oh, and I work with prisoners - I distrust most things at face value and I would not have got where I am today in my career/educationwithout some facility for critical thinking.

Also, I have a Dad. He's my best friend. We've been incredibly close for well.. 24 years. We've never had our picture taken in front of a statue of 2 animals shagging, though, and he's never even made reference to my figure let alone made a joke about finding it attractive.  I reserve the right to find that creepy.

Of course, that's through my own paradigm. But you have one too. You haven't somehow sidestepped the psychological process of socialisation just by having a view that's divergent from the main. Why should one be wrong and one right?

Lefty socialist wonk who thinks that everything should be "free". How can anything be free? The government doesn't have any money. It just means higher taxes.  Increase taxes on people then they change their behaviour. You don't get the money!

He imagines that wealth comes from nowhere, money falls from the sky, nobody has to work hard or clever to earn it. People have "stuff" apparently. He says that more tax is a request. He "asks" the millionaire/billionaire class to pay more.  No it is not, it's the forcible theft of money. The same as saying that rape is lovemaking. He wants to use a gun to the head to take money.

Communists hate the wealthy. Bernie hates the wealthy, because he isn't one, so he wants to steal more from the rich. What's wrong with being rich? Wealthy people have money to invest. Ever wondered who invested the money to start up mobile phone production? Or computers? Or any other nice stuff? Wealthy people in the USA already pay vastly more in tax with respect to what they earn than anyone else. The top 25% of earners pay over 85.6% of all income taxes.

It continues with corporations, more bollocks about tax increases without having any effect on the economy or jobs. Take it away from business people who know what to do with money and give it to some idiot civil servants?

He then goes on about free education and blah blah blah I really can't bear to continue investigating this socialist horseshit.

You asked Sam, that's what I think and that's why I didn't bother finding out about him in the first place as he is a Grade A cunt as expected.

Well this has all taken a funny turn. Previously quaintly-stalky Alan turns out to be one of those full-on anarchist conspiracy theorists who wants to break the whole system and will hunt you down and kill you. Ells, despite her training, is now feeling the tiniest bit freaked out.

 :popcorn:

Correct RF. I am an anarcho-capitalist. The reason I am is because I got heavily involved in local politics because of the Shaw Forest thing, then national politics (I stood as an independent candidate for MP for South Swindon in the General Election). It taught me a lot about how fucked up the system is and how bent the people involved in it are. Looking elsewhere I discovered philosophy and by reduction using reason and evidence leads you by first principles to the non-aggression principle and inevitably a free society as the best future for us all.

I don't want to break the existing statist system. It is far too screwed up already. I want people to use their brains to take the red pill and think for themselves and come to their own conclusions about what future they want from their children.

Oh and Ells will "get it" eventually, she's bright  :)

You live in the UK Ells. It's more reserved than that geographical area known as the United States of America over the Atlantic Ocean. They're more bonkers leaning, trust me...

That is terribly phrased Alan :D

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 :D

What am I supposed to "get" though? I've not declared any opinions about economics and/or capitalism.

I'd be more concerned about the 'I will hunt you down and kill you' bit.

True story: a woman once said that to me on the phone. I told her it may be best for her to call again once she'd calmed down. She did, phoned back literally 10 minutes later, and offered to make me some muffins as an apology. To this day I'm curious as to whether that was genuine or she was plotting something  :hmmm:

I'm guessing you didn't eat any of her muffins?

Self declared lentil knitting leftie?


So she should. If anyone ever inferred that I have interfered with my children then I would. So would you FH, so would you.

Nope, no.

I would not hunt people down and kill them for saying bad things about me. No. Categorically no.

Not even for saying that you support the Foxes?

COME ON YOU BLUES!

I had to turn down her offer unfortunately so we'll never know.
Could have been the new Litvenenko scandal. (Not really)


I mainly describe myself as a lefty due my views on social justice rather than economics. My feminism, drug use, campaigning against the death penalty etc.

Campaigning against feminism is very cool.

Caught you  :D

I just corrected it. Fuck off it's Friday night and I like wine :D at least I noticed!

Let's light another blue touchpaper then. Where has feminism got the female sex in the West apart from ending up with marrying the state to support their single parent lifestyles (in a lot of cases - I don't mean all) instead of marrying men. Being the gatekeepers of their sexuality and giving it away willy nilly (sic) and then complaining about absent fathers who piss off as they are told that they are worthless and not necessary? Hence men generally no longer care about women or their safety or protection which was generally the way of life before. Then you end up with sexual assaults by gangs of Muslim arseholes in Germany as European men just shrug their shoulders. You said you were equal. Actually you are not, you are factually 40% physically less powerful. It is biology and how we are made. Perhaps women might reconsider and quietly concede that they really do need men and the protection of the stronger sex? Alternatively with the way it is going women perhaps should only go out into public chaperoned by a male relative. And wear the burka.

Stand well back on this one...  :headhurts:

Christ. I'm afraid I'm not tackling that. Too much wine and not enough time. I'd have to write an essay, and I've got too many proper ones to do. Please do continue to read about it though. Do what I do. I read parapsychology, I visit David Icke forums. I converse with as many people as I can who oppose my views. Do that with feminism.

Ohhhh Alan, you're not an anarchist-capitalist, you might be an anarcho-syndicalist but you've blown it with Ells - enjoy the trees

You tease me.

I like turtles

You can stop it as well.

Stop what?

I'm not being at all serious, just a throw-away remark.

Carry on with whatever it was you were doing, especially if it involves poking Alan

Honestly, they're fucking brilliant.
I'm fascinated by the abnormal, and you don't get much more abnormal than people who think the queen is a lizard (amongst people who are free to live in the community, anyway.)

Kris Kristofferson!...

Why?

Why Kris Kristofferson?

Nah. Icke is a fucking loony. But thanks for the steer.


No, not an anarchist-capitalist, an anarcho-capitalist.

Plenty of time to get Ells sorted (FFS Ells, don't do that number on me again).

The trees are doing very well by the way. As an anti-environmentalist you should commend me  :D

When you are sober and have some time Ells, have a chew on this honey.

Women say "that men have to have empathy, you have to be sensitive and understand the thoughts, experiences and feelings of women."

Men have every right to say to women "well, how is that working for me? Do women enquire as to men's experience? How does it feel to be called a sexist, privileged, sex mad patriarch?" Does it ever happen? No. It's all anti-men. But there is no empathy to men or curiosity as to their experience. So female's demands from men fail the hypocrisy test. You want men to have empathy to women but you won't show them empathy in return. So fuck off. Get sexually assaulted in Germany, your choice.

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This thread gives me a bit of deja vu from a few years ago

Ah. Now that was more like it. Just like old times. This forum needs threads like this. Good stuff.

before everyone settles down completely, let me drop this bombshell..

It would mean Branco would have to find another club  :eek:

 :D

Didn't realise Brazil was in the EU.......

having read the last 7 pages before posting that, I'm starting to think it may have fried my brain slightly..

I'm pretty stunned you expect me to respond with any sincerity to a post that ends with "fuck off, get sexually assaulted"

That was the Bath Ales Dark Side talking, it was late and not aimed at you specifically, but women in general. Accept my apologies. The last sentence retracted xxx

I feel flame of the great Romeo and Juliet story of the TEF may have been snuffed out.

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I am a woman. I am "women in general".

I don't deserve to be sexually assaulted. No one does. That's fucking hideous. I will take offence to that whether you suggest I deserve it or a stranger.

I take it you have packed in talk talk for them there comments :lovers:

I'm with Sky.

I retracted it and apologised.

Anyway, back on (side) track  ;D

I really would value your opinion on the following Ells, even if I have queered the pitch on the original feminism discussion.

My parents had me very late in life (mum had countless miscarriages and still births) and hence they had almost Victorian moral values. What they did instill in myself and my brother were very strong manners which have always naturally persisted.

It manifests itself in that I always open doors for females, let them go first, assist them with taking off and putting on their coats, pay for the drinks when out, always buy dinner, push their chairs in at tables and so on. While I get the whole feminism thing, I never, ever get a frown or a "you sexist pig bastard" comment when I do these things. Women usually looked surprised, then smile, then say thank you and genuinely look delighted because of these acts. I do this because I respect women very much, as I was brought up to.

How does this equate in your view?

How lovely, threats of rape and murder aside, you're quite the gentleman.

The phrase 'closed the gate after the horse has bolted' is quite apt here I reckon.

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I think that's the best GIF ever used on here, good work.

Perfection