Coronavirus

[Nemo]

Well, looks like we're going to see what happens if the Govt. introduce last minute changes to the Christmas rules. Talk of Tier 4 for London & SE which is full on stay at home, no Christmas travel or mixing. Seems to have started with a non-official account claiming to be the Sunday Times deputy political editor, but the usual leak targets seem to be confirming it now.

This is going to go down like a lead balloon.

[4D]

Just put my details into the vaccination calculator,  should get mine in June.

[Batch]

Clusterfuck incoming?

BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson is holding emergency talks with his Cabinet this lunchtime amid warnings from scientists over the new strain of #COVID19 and surging infections.

More on this story here: https://t.co/S5x65e9zBq https://t.co/gZi2u8z6Q3

[tans]

Sunday times deputy politics editor posted this on twitter:

BREAKING: Christmas cancelled for London, South East and East, as areas moved into new Tier 4 with “stay at home” message by law. Christmas bubbles only allowed for Tiers 1 - 3 on Xmas Day with “stay local message”. International travel not advised. Latest plan

[Abrahammer]

As if many people will change their Xmas plans a week out, especially if you’re expecting family round and spent fortune on food/booze

[theakston2k]

Mass disobedience incoming then and the police left in a no win situation. I’m in the south west so fine but as I said before I’d still see some family Christmas Day regardless

[tans]

Kuensberg - Cabinet members have been briefed that the PM expected to announce a Tier 4,  tighter covid restrictions for London and SE at 4pm this afternoon - and will cut back on the planned relaxation of the rules over Christmas

[Berniman]

What's your definition of being a moron though, are you saying people are morons for going to see their families? Everyone has their own circumstances, my aunt is 96 and would rather die of COVID than spend the festive period on her own. This isn't a one size fits all scenario and putting people in a position where they are risking being classed as criminals for visiting family on Christmas days would be beyond ludicrous!

Morons are the ones that don't use common sense, as mentioned in the original post.

[theakston2k]

Morons are the ones that don't use common sense, as mentioned in the original post.

But again that’s ambiguous isn’t it, staying at home not seeing family Christmas Day may be common sense to some but to others not seen as a significant risk. The whole situation for Christmas is really hard, it’s all very well people saying wait until the situation improves but life rarely works like that. As morbid as it sounds for many thousands this will be the last opportunity to spend Christmas with loved ones and whatever people say it’s still a bigger risk that a family member will die of something else in the next year than a) catch coronavirus and b) die from it.

[RobertT]

But again that’s ambiguous isn’t it, staying at home not seeing family Christmas Day may be common sense to some but to others not seen as a significant risk. The whole situation for Christmas is really hard, it’s all very well people saying wait until the situation improves but life rarely works like that. As morbid as it sounds for many thousands this will be the last opportunity to spend Christmas with loved ones and whatever people say it’s still a bigger risk that a family member will die of something else in the next year than a) catch coronavirus and b) die from it.

That last sentence is bizarre.  There is always more chance of dying of something else than any cause of death because no single cause of death accounts for 50%+ of deaths.  Covid is in the top three reasons for death and has the chance, as the USA is showing right now, to be number one.  So it could indeed be the most likely thing you'd die of in January 2021.

[Panda Paws]

Here we go. Compliance will be a huge issue. Is enforcement genuinely going to happen?

 More flip flops than Copacabana.

[Nemo]

Did he just say Christmas Day only nationwide? Not just Tier 4?

[tans]

I think so

[Bedford Red]

I'm pretty sure he said it was Nationwide too. I'm in tier 4 here anyway now.

[theakston2k]

This ref is just making it up as he goes.