Title: Bury Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, January 19, 2017, 21:26:30 Signed Jermaine Penant today. I thought I saw a possible admin post recently about them on here but they keep on spending!
A couple of notable posts on their forum: I'd prefer it if we weren't ran that badly that we were not making such ridiculous losses year on year. Losses made despite maintaining, by our standards decent crowds, despite mass sponsorship, despite an FA Cup run and despite the sale of a fair few of our players. And where have these losses got us? If we were pushing for the championship or in the championship I could just about accept it. However all it has done is taken us to 16th in league one last season and into the relegation zone this season, winless for months and looking a good bet for relegation. As ever in my naivity I took this initial news as being good, however once I sat back, looked at the bigger picture, I can see it is little more than another piece of the murky jigsaw that is BFC's finances. Aye...£7M of losses in 3 years (likely to be approaching £10M after 4 years) is perfectly normal for a League 1/2 club. I genuinely cant believe you think it is, surely you dont. Or do you?! Serious question btw. Coz if you do...that is frightening. ::) A LOT of money being spent on 3000 crowds. Title: Re: Bury Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, January 19, 2017, 22:50:40 That's the problem with football as it is today that the financial model is broken. Player wages and club running costs exceed income from gates for most clubs. So you're options are:
Rely on a benefactor who is prepared to invest X million a season with little chance of getting it back. Borrow like Bournemouth and Leicester and hope you get promoted before the EFL FPPP rules catch up with you. Sell players each year to cover the losses or a good cup run. Live within your means and risk struggling because everyone else is spending more The first two risk attracting opportunists who may have ulterior motives such as ground sale or redevelopment of club land. The last two get supporters moaning about lack of investment and drifting away. Not a happy ending in sight here. Title: Re: Bury Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, January 20, 2017, 09:27:24 And yet there's still large sections of our fanbase who'd love us to sign Pennant and other "experienced pros" and lose £3m a year...
Title: Re: Bury Post by: pauld on Friday, January 20, 2017, 10:39:59 Thank goodness, thought this was another of those travel recommendations threads from someone looking for recommendations for the best places to go and see/stay in Bury
Title: Re: Bury Post by: Batch on Friday, January 20, 2017, 11:13:10 Quote from: Panda Paws And yet there's still large sections of our fanbase who'd love us to sign Pennant and other "experienced pros" and lose £3m a year... except that's total bollocks isn't it.I don't accept a large part of our fan base want us to lose 3m a year, unless we had a Lansdown type who was happy to bankroll it. I don't think many would expect a Pennant type name either . I do think a larger number expect a few older heads in there though. which isn't unreasonable Title: Re: Bury Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, January 20, 2017, 11:17:11 except that's total bollocks isn't it. I don't accept a large part of our fan base want us to lose 3m a year, unless we had a Lansdown type who was happy to bankroll it. I don't think many would expect a Pennant type name either . I do think a larger number expect a few older heads in there though. which isn't unreasonable I don't think anyone wants us to lose £3m a year, but I do think a lot of our fans wouldn't care if it meant we signed players they recognised and deem good enough simply because they've heard of them. Title: Re: Bury Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, January 20, 2017, 11:18:31 except that's total bollocks isn't it. I am really not sure it is bollocks. I don't accept a large part of our fan base want us to lose 3m a year, unless we had a Lansdown type who was happy to bankroll it. I don't think many would expect a Pennant type name either . I do think a larger number expect a few older heads in there though. which isn't unreasonable Title: Re: Bury Post by: garethgillman on Friday, January 20, 2017, 11:20:41 Bury are selling a 17 year old for £750k to Villa so are able to bankroll players like Pennant for a shortwhile BUT they will be back in the shit once the owners have spent that money and their relegation is confirmed.
They are constantly in and out of administration / financial troubles and it's not going to change unless owners come in and are willing to change the way the club is run (like Power did here). There is only a limited number of people with enough money to buy a team, throw millions at it then walk away when they decide it's not going to work. A lot of clubs at this level would struggle if they weren't run by "fan owners" who are willing to put the money in to their "boyhood club". Scunthorpe and Fleetwood are 2 that come to mind. Title: Re: Bury Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 20, 2017, 11:31:38 I'm inclined to agree with PP, I think many of our fans would want exactly that.
Title: Re: Bury Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Friday, January 20, 2017, 11:41:22 Thank goodness, thought this was another of those travel recommendations threads from someone looking for recommendations for the best places to go and see/stay in Bury Hey, I used to live in Bury - don't knock it!! ;) Actually it was a dump - used to spend most weekends getting out of it and exploring the Pennines, Trough of Bowland or Lake District. It had a great market though. Title: Re: Bury Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 20, 2017, 11:42:51 Many fans would get excited about a 'name' without thinking about the cost.
Title: Re: Bury Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 20, 2017, 11:46:47 A lot of clubs at this level would struggle if they weren't run by "fan owners" who are willing to put the money in to their "boyhood club". Scunthorpe and Fleetwood are 2 that come to mind. I am not sure that Fleetwood were the owners 'boyhood club' he is just a local lad done well. To be fair to him however his model is possibly a decent template as he had moved all his businesses to the ground and housed them in offices built within the stands which brings income (although he is essentially paying himself), Fleetwoood is a very good example of where a £10m investment can actually get you if it is cannily done. As for our fans appreciation of money the one that always sticks in the mind is the infamous £40k? historic debt that Jed wittered on about, I know it was subsequently shown to be bollocks but the way certain supporters got very sniffy about it not just being paid off whatever its history and without any investigation said a lot, sadly many supporters expect owners to throw tens of thousands around for little hope of return, whilst simultaneously complaining that burgers have gone up 10p. Title: Re: Bury Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 20, 2017, 11:49:31 It had a great market though. Home of black pudding! Title: Re: Bury Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 20, 2017, 12:42:00 Home of black pudding! Can't beat a hot fresh black pudding in a roll (sorry barm) from Bury market.Title: Re: Bury Post by: herthab on Friday, January 20, 2017, 12:44:17 To appreciate the full delusional state of some sectors of our support you only have to view that Facebook group. I'm not saying they all are, but fuck me there's some....
Title: Re: Bury Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 20, 2017, 12:57:44 To appreciate the full delusional state of some sectors of our support you only have to view that Facebook group. I'm not saying they all are, but fuck me there's some.... I popped on there last week for the first time in month....I soon regretted my decision.Title: Re: Bury Post by: Batch on Friday, January 20, 2017, 13:13:38 To appreciate the full delusional state of some sectors of our support you only have to view that Facebook group. I'm not saying they all are, but fuck me there's some.... Yes, there are sections that are thick as shit. That's life. Title: Re: Bury Post by: Whits on Friday, January 20, 2017, 15:04:17 To appreciate the full delusional state of some sectors of our support you only have to view that Facebook group. I'm not saying they all are, but fuck me there's some.... it builds a good case for involuntary euthanasia.....i've stopped posting in there as it makes me want to headbutt the wall Title: Re: Bury Post by: garethgillman on Friday, January 20, 2017, 15:12:42 I use the group to laugh at them
Quote "We want Power out" "ok, what happens if he goes" "don't know, but better than Power here" "who will buy players, pay the bills etc" "Don't care, just don't want Power here and someone will buy us" The one idiot keeps saying Power should put the club for sale and someone will buy it, but last time we went for sale, how many put the hands forward? and we ended up in the shit with Jed. He also keeps saying we are a premier league club stuck in L1 (because we had 1 season there) and we should never be in this league playing with teams like Scunthorpe. It really passes the time when I am pretending to work :D Title: Re: Bury Post by: Ells on Friday, January 20, 2017, 19:30:51 Quote He also keeps saying we are a premier league club stuck in L1 Sweet fucking Jesus. He's probably one of those twunts who boasts about boycotting games too. Title: Re: Bury Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 20, 2017, 19:38:48 Sometimes I wish I had such delusions of grandeur.
Title: Re: Bury Post by: garethgillman on Friday, January 20, 2017, 19:51:43 Sweet fucking Jesus. He's probably one of those twunts who boasts about boycotting games too. kid you not, if you even say one nice thing about the club you are a "happy clapper"..... the guy is a moron but has a band of merry men who follow his gospel...... he says he has evidence Power is taking "millions from the club" but can't provide the evidence because the people he knows would lose their jobs or some shit.... The guys "stories" are fricking hilarious Title: Re: Bury Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, January 20, 2017, 20:14:15 We are not a Premier League club in L1, Jesus we're not even a Championship club in L1. I'd say we are a top half L1 club currently under performing hence why we are in the bottom half.
Title: Re: Bury Post by: garethgillman on Friday, January 20, 2017, 20:16:16 We are not a Premier League club in L1, Jesus we're not even a Championship club in L1. I'd say we are a top half L1 club currently under performing hence why we are in the bottom half. yep, we have always been about L1 level apart from a couple good years in the 2 divisons apart Title: Re: Bury Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, January 20, 2017, 20:21:08 Off topic slightly. Made me laugh the other day- had radio on discussing the fa cup replays when I heard a presenter say that Bolton were a sleeping giant if ever there was one. Eh?!
Title: Re: Bury Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 20, 2017, 20:24:23 I don't think it's an outrageous statement.
Title: Re: Bury Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 20, 2017, 20:28:14 57th in the all time list, around mid table in the third tier, in fact, exactly that point. So we are just below that right now. Bolton are 18th, so it is in fact quite accurate.
Title: Re: Bury Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, January 20, 2017, 21:15:14 Apparently not as outrageous as I first thought. However stats are there to be twisted, glory in their early days for example, if you did a last 50 years league table Bolton are 30th and we rise to 48th!
Title: Re: Bury Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, January 20, 2017, 21:44:16 Useful point for Bury tonight, but it keeps the Burslem Boys on the edge of things. Vaughan 6 goals in 2 games.
Title: Re: Bury Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, January 20, 2017, 22:12:22 Useful point for Bury tonight, but it keeps the Burslem Boys on the edge of things. Vaughan 6 goals in 2 games. O for a goal scorer. After those two games he would be twice as many as our current leader. Embarrassing. He is one of those how the fuck did he end up there players, 14 in 20 games for them now. Title: Re: Bury Post by: tans on Friday, January 20, 2017, 22:38:29 kid you not, if you even say one nice thing about the club you are a "happy clapper"..... the guy is a moron but has a band of merry men who follow his gospel...... he says he has evidence Power is taking "millions from the club" but can't provide the evidence because the people he knows would lose their jobs or some shit.... The guys "stories" are fricking hilarious Hes a cheltenham fan also Reckons you are nazi sympathiser haha Title: Re: Bury Post by: garethgillman on Friday, January 20, 2017, 22:50:37 Hes a cheltenham fan also Reckons you are nazi sympathiser haha He says he isn't ??? but I just think he is a troll out for a laugh I liked that one though :beers: Title: Re: Bury Post by: Ells on Friday, January 20, 2017, 22:57:27 He says he isn't ??? but I just think he is a troll out for a laugh I liked that one though :beers: Oh, you mean him. Pretty sure he's not a troll unfortunately. He's certainly been around a while. Nazi sympathiser? What the hell? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Title: Re: Bury Post by: donkey on Friday, January 20, 2017, 23:04:14 Oh, you mean him. Pretty sure he's not a troll unfortunately. He's certainly been around a while. Nazi sympathiser? What the heil? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Fify. Sorry. Title: Re: Bury Post by: Ells on Friday, January 20, 2017, 23:08:49 Fify. Sorry. That took me a while to spot, I feel like I shouldn't say it but good work :D Title: Re: Bury Post by: garethgillman on Friday, January 20, 2017, 23:27:39 Nazi sympathiser? What the hell? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Was hilarious! He called me that because I quote.. Quote I couldn't care less who owns the club, even Hitler could own the club and I would still support them Title: Re: Bury Post by: Ells on Friday, January 20, 2017, 23:31:06 Bloody hell Heinrich Himmler I can't believe you went there :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
What a fool he is. Title: Bury Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 21, 2017, 08:22:21 he's either a bit special, or a level 10 troll.
I'm guessing the former, but I'm hoping it's this generations kr Title: Re: Bury Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, January 21, 2017, 10:19:17 He's just a cunt
Title: Re: Bury Post by: garethgillman on Saturday, January 21, 2017, 14:34:34 at it again
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Title: Re: Bury Post by: garethgillman on Saturday, January 21, 2017, 14:42:59 very much so, i really enjoy the laughs I get from that group, brightens up every day :D
Title: Re: Bury Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, January 21, 2017, 14:45:11 I think he really is, genuinely, that dim. I've read his posts before with an open mind to try and determine whether or not he's just a troll but came to the firm opinion that he is as thick as 2 short planks.
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