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im finding it a bit hard to understand the about turn on this sponsorship thingy, theres mismanagement of pay checks etc and suddenly everybody is doing an about turn.

surely the last 12 months has taught us nothing?
there has been an endless mismanagement of funds, is the straw that broke the camels back?

have they not gambled with the entire future of our club with not paying the CVA? is not having some cheques clear worse than that?

im all for not giving a penny to these tossers as i have stated before, i just cant understand the sudden about turn.

im not looking to cause a row, this is a forum after all and of course everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

i just dont understand whats brought this turnabout around.

I didn't see the point of sponsoring a player which is the primary reason for me not doing so. I wasn't going to piss on people's bonfires by saying that though.

FWIW I do agree, but I think hearts ruling over head is probably the reason. People still want to support the players and the team but probably need stuff like this latest info for the head to take rule over their heart.

I didn't join in the sponsor idea, just as I haven't joined in on the VIP idea.

Not for any moralistic reason, just because I'm a tight cunt :D

From my point of view, I was happy to chip in a few quid for the sponsorship thing, but the club demanding payment by close of play tomorrow seemed a bit off, imo.

Haven't a clue who Freds email was from, but don't have the time or patience to pander to that crap.

Whits is my choice of charity today  :D

They've got all the money from season ticket sales, where the fuck's that all gone, i don't understand the lack of money!!!

I think its a bit off that the staff may not get paid and for some people to say this is why they wont do it (in order to fuck up the board) is a bit off

Thats my opinion, this is  aforum

No the point is Bushey that I will not be pressurised by receiving an e mail today, saying that we need to pay £411.00 by tomorrow evening just because they cannot manage their cashflow.

I have been pissed off all afternoon, that e mail was the final straw.

but fred whats different from the previous fuck ups? is not paying the CVA alright then?

no, but the the cva isn't fred's and the rest of ours money?

pffftt

what a fucking stupid question

Same thing with th VIP days mex, the sponsorship and many people getting season tickets.

Everyones individual decisions but some of the stuff on here does make me laugh

Neither is the wages ..

Im completely bemused by the whole affair

axs, i think your missing my point. the only money they have comes from us and sponsorship. they have mismanaged our money for years so i decided to stop giving them mine.
i just wondered why has this latest cock up turned peoples opinions round?

sorry mate not good enough, its a simple question. Im just intriuged and like yeovil said slightly bemused.

im chuffed to fuck your pulling out, fuck them. i just cant work out why now?

normally when the club get my money i know when i have to pay - i.e. buy a ticket, to be suddenly foisted upon with a large bill isn't nice and isn't a pleasant way to do business. i'm not saying it should be unexpected based on previous performances but it is a bit of a kick in the teeth.

i'm not saying i now won't do it but i am saying i don't like the sudden deadline and as it is directly my money (not money that i have already spent on a ticket and hence got something for) i have the right to be pissed off.

i see a difference between this and the repayment of the cva, because it is my money right here, right now.

I agree with that and I'll be the first to put my hands up and say yup, I fucked up big stylee -  not making any excuses mind.

I for one can no longer be fucked with anything apart from arranging my travel/lifts to away games and worrying where the next corona is coming from.

Jeeeeeeez

You lot are so negative ,im off to the L&P forum :mrgreen:

Beer my only current concern - Negative? Are you feeling ok?  :mrgreen:

I think we can all live with the knowledge, that in our hearts; we're all the unofficial sponsors of Gypsy Jesus.

if everyone wants out, give the money to the TEF fund instead....

I agree with that, but it's up to the individual.

Ill contribute to whits however Im annoyed as could have got bennett a northampton ticket until his money crisis is sorted but now its too late.

Have they all gone peeps ?

think someone said they had on another thread.

Isnt there another 350 odd to send down?

Boooooooooo

poor Bennett

Ill be in sunny Somerwest world !!!!!!

I think this 'mismanagement' though is the most apparent.

Only a few weeks ago that letter to creditors stated the club had c. £250k in the bank.

They've also sold say 2500 season tickets, let's assume half of those paid up front rather than on credit cards, that's 1250 at ~£600 each. That's £750,000.

I'm going to sound like Phil S now, but where the fuck has £1 million gone, as Tommy Cooper would say, "Just like that"?

Sorry, didn't see this thread when asking the question in t'other one. FWIW I
agree with Mex:

Why couldn't bennett get his own ticket?

Cause of the trouble hes had with this random money coming out of his bank......

Oh yeah I read about that. I could sell him Whit's ticket for £200  :mrgreen:

Exactly Sam

What really got my goat (and Si summed it up perfectly) and put my "head firmly over my heart" is not only what you have posted but the way that the club tried to put pressure on us to pay before close of business today

I said yesterday something smelt about it and now I know why.

Yes, I was letting my heart overrule my head because I was quite optimistic about new investment etc etc etc........................

what has happened over the past 24hrs has reignited the feelings of disdain towards the hierachy of the club that have been supressed for some time.

As I said, this is only my personal feelings and I bear no ill feelings if people still want to forge ahead with the sponsorship.

In fact I have made it clear that if it were still to go ahead then I would continue to collect monies, as I have already made a committment to, its just that I will not be contributing.

I wonder how due dilligence is going ?

Tonight's TRUST board meeting is going to be interesting

im easy either way, if you want to use my money to pay for the upkeep of the forum and were not sponsoring jesus anymore, use it for that, if the sponsorship is still being done then carry on with my dough, not fussed either way  :?

I am still not getting the point. The club has been missmanaged, we know that hence the formation of the fans consortium.

The sponsorship money was always going to the club to spend/waste/pay wages/whatever.

The way it (asking for the money) was done was pretty lame, and the reason was self inflicted, but not altogether suprising.


Anyway, I don't really catre enough to argue the point any more. So whatever is agreed is fine.

As someone who missed this entire thing, and only saw the threads today, the thing that would have pissed me off isn't the incompetence and mismanagement which, as Mex and Yeovil quite rightly point out, we all knew about anyway, or even the realisation that the they've managed to "lose" about £1m in the last month.

What would have made me think "stuff it, find another sponsor" was the tone of the e-mail correspondence from the club, confirming once again their complete lack of understanding of the principles of providing good customer service.

To bang out a three line e-mail giving 24 hours notice that the payment is needed, when there's been no previous deadline set, with no explanation or apology stinks. To compound that with the frankly pathetic threat that otherwise the sponsorship of that player will be released to the "waiting list" is just taking the piss. Can anyone remember the last season when every squad player was fully sponsored home and away? How come there's suddenly a queue to throw money at the club?

I guess I'm with Mex on this. I can understand that with the new season around the corner people are getting excited and wanting to do something positive to show their support for the club and hearts can all to easily rule heads. I'm just glad something like this happened to remind us all how thoroughly bloody useless the current shower are, and persuade you all to keep your money for something more worthwhile.

If you want to show the new fellah that he's got your support you could always give him a bit of extra cash when you get The Big Issue of him next time!

i agree completely with the first post in this thread.mex is spot on imo.
some people seem to have double standards when it suits them regarding stfc.protesting,ect,ect.then sponsoring players and matches :?



no offence meant nor a critism,just an observation and a conclusion on my part.

At the moment I haven't made my mind up whether I want to go ahead or not. Like Batch, I think I'll just go with the majority.

I make no excuses for having double standards, I was protesting etc. last season and yet I've still decided to sponsor players and go on VIP days purely because I want to. Yes, I don't like the people running our club but I'm not going to let them stop me having my fun & enjoyment.

Mex, I can understand, you've made a conscious decision this season not to put money into the club. That's your lookout.

But Yeovil and Arriba, why is it that everytime something like this happens you jump out of the woodwork saying "Oooh, look at you, you bunch of hypocrites. Double standards blah blah blah." I'm fed up of your finger pointing, blaming other people.

i have not done or said what you say i have at all sam.you have admitted to having double standards.i am not,nor have i critisised you or anyone else for doing it as its your choice.

your sweeping comments above are quite innacurate regarding myself at least.cannot speak on yeovils behalf though.you certainly have made more of my post than intended,or what it said. i thought it was quite clear.

Ok, maybe not you as much then arriba, but definitely Yeovil.

Why don't you all go to Space Adventure instead? They've got a Monkeynaut called Spacey...and a Spacey cafe.

http://www.spaceadventure.co.uk/showimage2.asp?img=DSC02878.JPG

Been there

Its Ace

FACT

Cowabunga Cosmanaught !!!!

That place looks quality.

My lads going to a birthday party there this weekend. It better be ace after this buildup

I just say it as I see it,initially I said the whole thing stunk of double standards and why I wouldnt be putting any money into it.All ive done in this thread is ask whats changed?Doesn't seem like finger pointing to me.

If you want some finger pointing Id be happy to oblige though.

Point away.

Can I come ?

After a good few years of pouring money in via sponsorship, VIP days etc. probably moreso than anyone else on this forum, i can see why Mex is now not going to.

As for my own contributions to the club, they are so trivial compared to the investments mentioned above that i don't think me boycotting anything would have any significance. Therefore, my heart rules, and so i bought a season ticket, and would have thrown in a tenner for kit sponsorship.

Thats my own personal stance.

for what its worth.i did say a while back,that people boycotting season tickets would only be doing themselves out of something.ie saving cash and their guaranteed seat.its chucking extra money at the club that baffles me.

Only if you are a good boy...

Does it fucking matter :shrug:

At the end of the day all i want is a football team to support, right now, i dont care how its done.

Amen

arise sir chubbs

I seem to make my mind up at the time with regards to season ticket, sponsorship whatever - I don't mind what anybody else does with their money -
thanks from me to Fred and 'Lady for sorting this

I'm not promising to suck you off or anything, but I've agreed with virtually everything you've said on here this week.

The whole thing has totally done my head in as have the blinkered people from both sides of the pro anti board arguement.

Bring on the start of the season so I can focus on the actual FOOTBALL and ignore all this bullshit

Slightly blinkered view there from Toddy :wink:

 :mrgreen:  That made me laugh. you cunt :wink:

http://www.wiseneedle.com/string-or-nothing/content/imgs/Kitchener.jpg

No manners, No morality, No respect

You’re starting to all sound like a school of old women at a jumble sale.  I do agree with fucking it off though on the basis of that email from the marketing department plus have they stuck the price up on the original quote?

Not sure what’s changed in recent years but haven’t the club always struggled to get sponsorship for player’s home and away kits?  Sounds like a case of milking the cow one last time before leading her to market.  Make that market or the slaughter house.

or a race between a cow, an elephant and a giraffe.

No contest.

Giraffe would piss it.

this all seems a bit wierd to me, exactly what difference is going to be made to their payroll by getting 400 quid in today rather than next week ?  Who are they paying with that ?  the tea boy ?

Pook

I reckon Willies got a hot tip on a 100-1 horse. £400 becomes £40000 and they're laughing.

Unless the cow had been specially bred for racing.

Maybe it's a cow they're going to bet the £400 on? Some sneaky giraffe hijacking might be under way as I type.

We are saving up to offer Gareth Whalley another 3 year contract

Giraffe to win by a neck.