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[Bushey Boy]

I know what your saying mate, my english teacher made my maths teacher hold me back instead of letting me do what I was good at (numbers) fucking slut

being serious, they should introduice working methods/experience into schools

[yeo]

Being serious though the problem was I did not know what I wanted to do and by the time I had left school I just went from warehouse to warehouse (all agency shit)

If I had some proper work experience behind me then when I turned 16 I may have had a goal in life

yep me to.

infact ive been pretty much doing that for 20 years now :|

trouble  is Ive never known what I want to do,still dont.At least if Id been given some worthwhile skills at school I could be earning decent money for doing a job I hate

[janaage]

It does make sense DRS, I hate to see teachers a waste their time with non-academic types and two push these kind of pupils through exam/lesson after lesson/exam whilst telling them they must get a decent education to do anything in life.

Well a trade is just as important as that.  As long as they have a solid educational foundation, reading writing, maths that kind of thing I don't see a problem getting them out in the work place at an earlier age (limited hours though).

[Don Rogers Shop]

Don’t get me wrong some people are happy doing that and absolutely love doing the job I know people who are working at Smith’s ,Woolworths warehouse and have done for over 20 years and they love it but a lot of them were probably forced into those jobs due to Stupid Gcse grades which have no relevance to what you do when you leave school.

[Ralphy]

To be fair Ash you drive a 3 litre, 6 cyclinder BMW so your weekly fuel bill is bound to be high.

[DMR]

Don’t get me wrong some people are happy doing that and absolutely love doing the job I know people who are working at Smith’s ,Woolworths warehouse and have done for over 20 years and they love it but a lot of them were probably forced into those jobs due to Stupid Gcse grades which have no relevance to what you do when you leave school.

On the flip side that irks me a bit... I'm a bright lad but I'm not especially gifted and I had to work my nuts off all the A's I got, so it fucks me off when people who didn't do as well try and argue they're "stupid" or irrelevant or all the rest of it.

Of course they're relevent, they dictate if you can go into further education, what courses you do if you go into it, what exams you take and thus in turn what you can do at uni, which uni you can go to.

I was an Oxbridge candidate 3 years ago mate- but I got my personal life into a mess and I threw that all away, so I know what I'm on about... and ended up working where I am now, which is fine and I've made a decent fist of it - but now I'm going back to uni in September I really regret not getting the A-level grades I should've done, I never did myself justice for my last 18 months in 6th form and now my prospects will never be quite what they were. So I have to disagree... exams and grades aren't stupid.

[janaage]

Don’t get me wrong some people are happy doing that and absolutely love doing the job I know people who are working at Smith’s ,Woolworths warehouse and have done for over 20 years and they love it but a lot of them were probably forced into those jobs due to Stupid Gcse grades which have no relevance to what you do when you leave school.

On the flip side that irks me a bit... I'm a bright lad but I'm not especially gifted and I had to work my nuts off all the A's I got, so it fucks me off when people who didn't do as well try and argue they're "stupid" or irrelevant or all the rest of it.

Of course they're relevent, they dictate if you can go into further education, what courses you do if you go into it, what exams you take and thus in turn what you can do at uni, which uni you can go to.

I was an Oxbridge candidate 3 years ago mate- but I got my personal life into a mess and I threw that all away, so I know what I'm on about... and ended up working where I am now, which is fine and I've made a decent fist of it - but now I'm going back to uni in September I really regret not getting the A-level grades I should've done, I never did myself justice for my last 18 months in 6th form and now my prospects will never be quite what they were. So I have to disagree... exams and grades aren't stupid.

I don't think that's what he's getting at though Dave.  I think he's saying if you don't have the potential you never are, you may be better suited to a trade rather than education.  By the age of 14 teachers should be able to spot the more educational friendly student, rather than the lads/girls that are biding their time to leave school at the earliest opportunity.

I may have got the wrong end of the stick though.

[Arriba]

all about timing imo.kids alot of the time dont have a clue or the motivation to think about their futures.
they fail school ,but are not necessarily not capable of gaining results.
i didn't have a clue what i wanted to do.fucked about at school and got shit grades.
in hindsight i wish i knuckled down as i could have done well.and maybe done a apprenticeship or a trade.?

instead for years i stole from shops,got into drugs,and sold a few acid tabs and e's to pay for my weekends.i only got my job because my dad worked there.and prior to that did 2 warehouse jobs which i walked out on.

 not doing well at school can have a negative effect on your future.also people grow up and can make changes and get re-educated later on in life.but people grow up at different ages so thats why we have the situations we have read about in this thread.i have to do the job i do to pay the bills. and dont have the time or money to go back into education.
i fucking regret it big time

[Don Rogers Shop]

That is what I am trying to say Dave , tell me what grades are relevant though at school Maths yes of course but that was my poorest grade by a mile I now work in finance so was that relevant? English what the fuck has Shakespear got to do with me getting a job?

I understand that grades are relevant to get onto certain courses that is fine but it is what your are tested on I don’t understand the relevance of

[BANGKOK RED]

Which, DMR, I think is the point here.

Yes people like yourself who can do so should go ahead and earn qualifications which will help you in a future career. But the posts above are directed towards non-academic types who would be better of with vocational training rather than academic qualifications, which are unlikely to help them in a factory, work site ect.

I have A-Levels myslef, and yes my qualifications DO help me when going for a job because I work in the finance sector.

However, despite being an academic type I would likely make a USELESS brickie for example, and it is well known that good brickies and people in other skilled trades make a very good wage (Probably more than I do right now)

In short, it's horses for courses mate!

[ronnie21]

I know what your saying mate, my english teacher made my maths teacher hold me back instead of letting me do what I was good at (numbers) fucking slut

being serious, they should introduice working methods/experience into schools

Well, BB, your english teacher didn't do much for your spelling!!

[BANGKOK RED]

On another note, I went to school with both David Howells and Jonathon Lewis, to be fair I think that both did well academically but the P.E. Teachers (Mr. Thomas and another one) noticed their talent and encouraged it.

Why can their not be "Teachers" of another category to recognise talents in the "Strugglers"?

[Lumps]

And as for analysis of the goverments taxation policies, it is where I get the label socialist from.  Yeah, Labour have changed, yeah, they have moved to the centre ground a lot. We all know they had to because they were a fucking unelectable joke. But the still are the party of tax and spend, tax and spend, the party of big goverment.  I'd be less fucked off with them if the country was in a better state for all the extra money they take off me.

socialism - Noun - a political and economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state

Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006

You seem to be labouring under the fairly common misapprehension that socialism equates to increased public spending. As you can see from the above, it doesn't.

And even if it did, as I thought I'd pointed out before, despite what they might say in their election material, once they're in power, they are ALL  parties of tax and spend. The last Tory government increased public spending and the average tax burden (they left power having set a record level of public borrowing and budgetary defecit)

EVERY fucking government of whatever political stripe for the last 40 years or more has by neccesity increased the average working persons tax burden in order to maintain public services in a global economic environment where the tax burden on corporations has had to be cut to the bone in order to retain jobs in the UK.

That's what happens when you start from the basis of attempting to manage capitalism. It means that regardless of a parties ideological background once in power they all behave in pretty much the same way.

So, slag of this government if you like, fuck knows I do, but don't call it socialist.

[Bushey Boy]

I know what your saying mate, my english teacher made my maths teacher hold me back instead of letting me do what I was good at (numbers) fucking slut

being serious, they should introduice working methods/experience into schools

Well, BB, your english teacher didn't do much for your spelling!!

Ah ronnie, I can spell just type far too quickly.  Didn't I write a rather good email or two to your company bosses praising you but at the same time slating them? The english on that was perfect.

End of the day qualifications can help some people but I feel your career and level of success in life is more down to opportunities, your personalility and mainly luck.

[Simon Pieman]

Taxing the higher paid just doesn't work, as the high rate tax payers can get around paying 40p in the pound.  Contributing to pensions for example.  There are ways of mitigating tax, and the rich can pay the people to find ways of doing so.

Anyone has access to incentives to avoid tax, some examples being ISAs and as you point out pension contributions.

These are just as much about incentives for people to save as providing them with a way to avoid paying tax. You don't have to be a higher rate tax payer to enjoy these kinds of reliefs.

And who's to say a higher rate taxpayer can afford to put all of their income above the higher band into a pension, just to avoid tax.

Don't forget a higher rate tax payer still has to pay NI and pension income is also taxed. Oh and a higher rate tax payer may end up spending more, thus giving the government additional VAT compared to someone who has a lower income. In turn that will generate more taxes from companies whom the (higher rate taxpaying) consumer is purchasing from.