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Title: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 15:57:50
Alright then, that's pre-season done, squad still doesn't seem to be quite there but noises that there will be more signings this week, but lots of other teams have made a lot of signings. Still feels early to judge us but can't hold off much longer on getting the predictions thread up I think - the TEF hive mind actually did pretty well last year all things considered http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=59342.0 (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=59342.0)

League Two
League Two winners:
Promoted:
Playoffs:
Who's going down?:
Division Top Scorer:

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?:
Top goalscorer:
Player of the season:


I'll tally up the divisional ones into a rough predicted table the day the season starts and we can see who this season's Stevenage and this season's Crawley are...


Title: Re: L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 16:22:19
League Two winners:  Bradford
Promoted: Gillingham, Swindon, Stockport
Playoffs: Swindon, Mansfield, Salford, Wrexham (Swindon winners)
Who's going down?: Crawley, Harrogate
Division Top Scorer: Austin/Madden 22

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: 7th
Top goalscorer: Austin
Player of the season: Kemp


Title: Re: L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: DMC on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 16:25:45
League Two
League Two winners: Stockport
Promoted:Swindon ,Notts County
Playoffs:Wrexham
Who's going down?:Crawley Harrogate
Division Top Scorer: Kyle Wooton

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?:3rd
Top goalscorer: RHM
Player of the season:Dan Kemp


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 16:32:42
League Two
League Two winners: Stockport
Promoted: Notts County, Gillingham, Milton Keynes (Playoff winners)
Playoffs: MK, Wrexham, Walsall, Forest Green
Who's going down?: Crawley, Morecambe
Division Top Scorer: David McGoldrick

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: 9th
Top goalscorer: Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
Player of the season: George McEachran


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 16:33:27
League Two winners:  Bradford
Promoted: Gillingham, Salford, Swindon
Playoffs: Stockport, Notts County, Mansfield, Wrexham (Stockport)

Fair play for going first Jim, but you've got five going up there!


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Lemis on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 16:35:54
League Two
League Two winners: Stockport
Promoted: Gillingham, Swindon, Notts County (PO)
Playoffs: Notts County, Wrexham, Salford, Franchise
Who's going down?: Morecambe and Crawley
Division Top Scorer: Madden

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: 3rd
Top goalscorer: Austin
Player of the season: Kemp


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 16:37:35
Fair play for going first Jim, but you've got five going up there!

Easily fixed🤣
DMC has only got one team going down!


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 16:52:35

League Two
League Two winners: Gillingham
Promoted: Wrexham, Stockport, Bradford
Playoffs: Bradford, Notts County, Salford, Mansfield
Who's going down?: Crawley, Crewe
Division Top Scorer: Cook

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: 9th
Top goalscorer: Charlie Austin
Player of the season: Charlie Austin


Title: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 17:17:13
League Two
League Two winners: Gillingham
Promoted: Wrexham, Stockport
Playoffs: Walsall*, salford, Mansfield, Bradford
Who's going down?: Crawley, Harrogate
Division Top Scorer: Austin

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: 10th
Top goalscorer: Austin
Player of the season: RHM


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Laddy in Red on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 17:45:53
League Two
League Two winners: Stockport
Promoted: Bradford, Wrexham, Salford
Playoffs: Salford, Gillingham, Barrow, Swindon
Who's going down?: Crawley, Newport
Division Top Scorer: Andy Cook

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: 7th
Top goalscorer: RHM
Player of the season: RHM


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: cheltred69 on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 22:15:07
League 2:
Winners: Stockport Co.
Promoted: Gillingham, Wrexham, Franchise
Play-Offs: Franchise, Doncaster, Bradford, Swindon
Down: Crawley, Harrogate
Top Scorer: Mullin

Swindon Town:
Finish: 7th
Top Scorer: Charlie Austin
Player of Season: George McEachren


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, July 30, 2023, 09:07:31
League Two
League Two winners: Swindon
Promoted: Stockport, Mansfield, Doncaster*
Playoffs: Doncaster*, Sutton, Mansfield, Gillingham
Who's going down?: Crawley, Wrexham
Division Top Scorer: Austin

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: One open-top bus should be enough or will we need two?
Top goalscorer: Austin
Player of the season: Kemp

Flynn's song choice at end of open-top bus parade: Found That Soul - Manic Street Preachers
The Ellis Iandolo Memorial Trophy: Brewitt
TEF not a footballer award: Shade
TEF there's a player in there somewhere award: Shade


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 30, 2023, 09:38:41
League Two
League Two winners: Stockport
Promoted: Gillingham, Salford
Playoffs: Doncaster*, Salford, Notts County, Walsall
Who's going down?: Crawley and Harrogate
Division Top Scorer: Macaulay Langstaff 26

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: 10th
Top goalscorer: RHM 12
Player of the season: Kinsella

Surprise package Crewe, in the play offs all season until the last week when they bottle it.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Sunday, July 30, 2023, 09:40:53
League Two
League Two winners: Swindon
Promoted: Stockport, Mansfield, Doncaster*
Playoffs: Doncaster*, Sutton, Mansfield, Gillingham
Who's going down?: Crawley, Wrexham
Division Top Scorer: Austin

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: One open-top bus should be enough or will we need two?
Top goalscorer: Austin
Player of the season: Kemp

Flynn's song choice at end of open-top bus parade: Found That Soul - Manic Street Preachers
The Ellis Iandolo Memorial Trophy: Brewitt
TEF not a footballer award: SHADE
TEF there's a player in there somewhere award: SHADE

Not a fan then🤔


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, July 30, 2023, 10:19:26
Not a fan then🤔


I actually think he's ok, good option to have on the bench, maybe not a view shared by everyone which is fine.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 30, 2023, 10:38:43
I actually think he's ok, good option to have on the bench, maybe not a view shared by everyone which is fine.
I think he has the pace to be a game changer off the bench, he can baffle defenders with his feet, but also himself! I still hope there is a player in there.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, July 30, 2023, 12:16:31
My Picks

League Two
League Two winners:
Notts County
Runner Up:
Bradford
Promoted:
Stockport
Promoted via Play-Offs:
Wrexham {it's a fairytale innit and this gives them even more air time of course}
Play-Offs:
4th Gillingham
5th Wrexham
6th Doncaster
7th Mansfield

Who's going down?:
Ya mum - 23rd Morecambe, 24th Crawley
Division Top Scorer:
Paul Mullin - 21 goals


Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?:
In ya mum - 8th, by just one goal difference  ::) :cry:
Top goalscorer:
RH-M {or someone not signed yet :hmmm:}
Player of the season:
Liam Kinsella



Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 09:30:23
Come on you cowards, time to make predictions ;)

Interestingly so far this thread is much more positive about our prospects for the season than the transfer rumours one - maybe we're all predicting on hope rather than expectation, or maybe just the more concerned folk are holding off?


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: DiV on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 09:32:00
Come on you cowards, time to make predictions ;)

Interestingly so far this thread is much more positive about our prospects for the season than the transfer rumours one - maybe we're all predicting on hope rather than expectation, or maybe just the more concerned folk are holding off?

I assume people are putting down the strong teams with decent financial backing in L2 and after 4-5 are struggling to remember who else is in this division and just going ‘Swindon’

I had to google the division when I did mine just to remind me who the other 23 teams were


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 09:34:47
That's fair, and a few times I've thought of perennial league two strugglers and then found out they're now L1 clubs, which is miserable.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 09:48:46
League Two Winners - Stockport
Promoted autos Gillingham, Notts County
playoffs -  Mansfield, Bradford, Wrexham, Salford - Wrexham promoted
Relegated - Harrogate, Morecombe
L2 top scorer  - Wootton (Stockport)

Swindon Town
 - finishing position - 9th
 - top goalscorer - Hepburn-Murphy
 - player of season - Kinsella


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 10:01:38
League Two Winners - Stockport
Promoted autos Gillingham, Notts County
playoffs -  Bradford, Wrexham, Mansfield, Swindon
Relegated - Crawley, Morecambe
L2 top scorer  - Langstaff

Swindon Town
 - finishing position - 7th
 - top goalscorer - Austin (15)
 - player of season - RHM

I'm basing this not so much on the squad we have now as the kind of player Flynn seems to be seeking. If he can get the gaps filled with the quality he appears to be targeting we'll do alright.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 10:25:07
League Two Winners - Gillingham
Promoted autos - salford, wrexham
playoffs -  Mansfield, Bradford, notts county, walsall - bradford promoted
Relegated - Crawley, Morecombe
L2 top scorer  - Paul Mullin

Swindon Town
 - finishing position - 16th
 - top goalscorer - Hepburn-Murphy
 - player of season - the goalkeeper


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 13:23:36
League Two Winners - Stockport
Promoted autos Gillingham, Bradford
playoffs -  Mansfield, Notts County, Wrexham, Salford - Mansfield promoted
Relegated - Harrogate, Morecombe
L2 top scorer  - Wootton (Stockport)

Swindon Town
 - finishing position - 10th
 - top goalscorer - Austin
 - player of season - Kemp


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 4, 2023, 16:39:09
Final call then folks, get them in by kick off tomorrow and I'll total up our predictions so we can all see how wrong the hive mind is.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 4, 2023, 16:44:14
League Two Winners - Swindon
Promoted autos - Bradford, Mansfield
playoffs - Donny Franchise Walsall Stockport
Relegated - Crawley, Morecambe
L2 top scorer  - Austin

Swindon Town
 - finishing position - 1st
 - top goalscorer - Austin 23
 - player of season - RHM



Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 4, 2023, 16:48:31
Only 3 teams in the play offs🤔


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:05:15
League Two Winners - Stockport
Promoted autos - Salford, Mansfield
playoffs - Bradford, Wrexham, Walsall, Doncaster
Relegated - Newport, Crawley
L2 top scorer  - Danny Johnson

Swindon Town
 - finishing position - 11th
 - top goalscorer - Austin
 - player of season - Hutton


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:10:10
League Two Winners - Gillingham
Promoted - Stockport, Swindon
Play-Offs - Notts County, Bradford, Walsall, Mansfield (Walsall Promoted)
Relegated - Crawley, Morecambe
Top Scorer  - Russian Hepburn-Murphy 23

Swindon Town
Finishing Position - 3rd
Top Scorer - Russian Hepburn-Murphy  23
Player of the Season - Russian Hepburn-Murphy


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:12:15
I see a few fancying Wallsall have they brought in several decent players🤔


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:20:04
Quote from: Jimmy StoppedMoaning
I see a few fancying Wallsall have they brought in several decent players🤔

I don't even know if we've brought in several decent players!

I'm thinking they have a bit of budget, have at least brought in a few new players and so why with that.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:22:15
I don't even know if we've brought in several decent players!

I'm thinking they have a bit of budget, have at least brought in a few new players and so why with that.

I've not been following them close season but remember they brought quite a few in when Flynn was manager.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:25:30
so you're saying Flynn is shit and can't be trusted with a budget..wow

(no of course you weren't , I know 😁)


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:26:48
Just saying Wallsall like to turn their squads around frequently😆


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Wormholes of Time on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:35:22
All I know is that when I bought some football socks and shin pads in Don Rogers Sports last week for my  walking football team in Stroud, The Don said, after we chatted about the good old days, that as regards this season, 'We'll be all right'.
That's good enough for me. So, 'Up the Town' as champions.
The rest I'll have to think about.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Crozzer on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:39:23
League Two Winners - Gillingham
Promoted autos Stockport, Swindon
Playoffs - Dongs, Notts County, Wrexham, Salford - Dongs promoted
Relegated - Crawley, Morecombe
L2 top scorer  - Chas

Swindon Town
 - finishing position - 3rd
 - top goalscorer - Chas
 - player of season - Chas


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: newmarket red on Friday, August 4, 2023, 17:44:55
League two winners -gillingham
Promoted autos- stockport ' grimbsy
Playoffs - wrexham' bradford,Franchise,salford -Franchise promoted
Relegated- crawley ' crewe
L2 topscorer -andy cook


Swindon town

Finishing position-14
Top scorer- Austin
Player of the season-kemp      :pint:


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: 02hodgsol on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 06:51:57
League Two Winners - Salford
Promoted - Stockport, notts county
Play-Offs - MK, Bradford, Wrexham, Mansfield (Bradford Promoted)
Relegated - Crawley, harrogate
Top Scorer  - mcgoldrick

Swindon Town
Finishing Position - 8th
Top Scorer - Austin - 18
Player of the Season - kemp


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Ginginho on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 08:26:21
League Two Winners - Stockport County
Promoted - Gillingham, Mansfield (Bradford via playoffs)
Play-Offs - Swindon Town, Wrexham, Tranmere, Bradford City
Relegated - Crawley, Harrogate
Top Scorer - Langstaff

Swindon Town
Finishing Position - 5th
Top Scorer - Austin - 16
Player of the Season - Godwin-Malife


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: adje on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 10:34:13
Winners :Wrexham
Promoted: Gillingham,Bradford
Play offs: Swindon,Stockport,Salford, MKD
Winners: Swindon
Relegated: Harrogate, FGR
Top scorer: Austin



Swindon 4th
Top scorer: Austin
POTY: Hutton


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 10:41:16
Winners - Stockport
Autos - MK & Gills
P offs - Wrexham, Mansfield, Notts County, Salford*
Relegated - Morecambe, Harrogate
Top scorer - McGoldrick

STFC - 10th
Top scorer - Austin 18
POTS - Mahoney


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: RJack on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 10:51:22
League Two Winners - Stockport County
Promoted - Gillingham, Swindon
Play-Offs - Wrexham, Notts County, Bradford City, Franchise (Bradford via playoffs)
Relegated - Crawley, Harrogate
Top Scorer - Langstaff

Swindon Town
Finishing Position - 3rd
Top Scorer - RHM - 18
Player of the Season - Kemp (if he stays whole season) otherwise Kinsella


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: DMC on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 11:16:01
I don't even know if we've brought in several decent players!

I'm thinking they have a bit of budget, have at least brought in a few new players and so why with that.
I looked at their squad funnily enough earlier and think a few fans got carried away by the lad who chose them over us and went along with the better budget than us. Doesn't scream of quality to me https://www.saddlers.co.uk/teams/first-team/


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 11:50:43
Okay still time to add yours, but here's the hive mind table as it stands after 25 sets of predictions.

Stockport County
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Gillingham
Bradford City
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Wrexham
Swindon Town
Notts County
Salford City
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Mansfield Town
Milton Keynes
Walsall
Doncaster Rovers
Grimsby Town
Forest Green Rovers
Sutton United
Tranmere Rovers
Accrington Stanley
AFC Wimbledon
Colchester United
Barrow
Crewe Alexandra
Newport County
Harrogate Town
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Morecambe
Crawley Town

80% of folk reckon Crawley are going down, we're very confident on that one. Gills and Stockport are a long way clear of the rest promotion wise.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 12:08:57
Good work Nemo. My prediction of Swindon winning at Wembley bang on track!


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 12:22:52
After the misery of last season I haven't kept my eye in enough to know the runners and riders, outside of understanding that Wrexham, Gills and Stockport have a few bob, so not much point in putting together a big prediction other than to say I think we will just miss out on the play offs this year. And I think we go out of every cup in the first round, just because Flynn never has before!


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 13:56:21
Swindon to finish 9th this season .


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:14:03
League Two Winners - Stockport
Promoted autos - Salford, Mansfield
playoffs - Bradford, Wrexham, Walsall, Doncaster
Relegated - Newport, Crawley
L2 top scorer  - Danny Johnson

Swindon Town
 - finishing position - 11th
 - top goalscorer - Austin
 - player of season - Hutton

Thought it might be quite fun to look back on some of the pre-season predictions now the season is more or less over. Some of you in July and August seemed to be indulging in serious amounts of crack as more than 1 person had Swindon going up. I trust lessons might be learned for next season unless we get taken over by a competent consortium. I'm reasonably happy with my efforts.

Champions : Stockport -  can still win the league.
Autos : Salford (bad shout) & Mansfield - very much in the autos shape up.
Playoffs: Bradford (unlikely), Wrexham (likely), Walsall (in with a shout), Doncaster (need a miracle)
Relegated: Newport & Crawley (awful shouts)
L2 top scorer: Danny Johnson (woeful)

Swindon: Finishing 11th (possible but unlikely)
top scorer : Charlie (well, he is if you don't count loanees)
player of the season: Hutton (doubtful, flogged to Gillingham)


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:19:00

League Two
League Two winners: Stockport 2nd
Promoted: Notts County, Gillingham, Milton Keynes (Playoff winners) 14th, 8th, 4th
Playoffs: MK, Wrexham, Walsall, Forest Green 4th, 3rd, 10th, 24th
Who's going down?: Crawley, Morecambe 7th, 12th
Division Top Scorer: David McGoldrick 13, third highest scorer at his own club

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: 9th 20th
Top goalscorer: Rushian Hepburn-Murphy 6, fourth highest somehow
Player of the season: George McEachran Seems unlikely, but he is at least still eligible...


A monkey with a typewriter would have done better. FGR in the playoffs a particular stinker.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:19:45
League Two
League Two winners: Gillingham NOPE
Promoted: Wrexham Maybe!, Stockport Maybe!
Playoffs: Walsall*Maybe, salfordNOPE, Mansfieldgoing up, BradfordNOPE
Who's going down?: CrawleyNOPE, Harrogate NOPE
Division Top Scorer: Austin if you ignore those with more goals

Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?: 10th NOPE
Top goalscorer: Austin if you ignore those with more goals
Player of the season: RHM - NOPE

Does anyone want the lottery numbers?
Or rather, does anyone want some numbers to exclude from the lottery.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:24:00
I think your effort isn't drastically terrible Nemo. If Walsall end the season well you'll have 3/4 play-off sides predicted.


Title: Re: TEF L2 Predictions 23/24
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 18:36:55

My Picks

League Two
League Two winners:
Notts County
Runner Up:
Bradford
Promoted:
Stockport
Promoted via Play-Offs:
Wrexham {it's a fairytale innit and this gives them even more air time of course}
Play-Offs:
4th Gillingham
5th Wrexham
6th Doncaster
7th Mansfield

Who's going down?:
Ya mum - 23rd Morecambe, 24th Crawley
Division Top Scorer:
Paul Mullin - 21 goals


Swindon Town
Where will Swindon finish?:
In ya mum - 8th, by just one goal difference  ::) :cry:
Top goalscorer:
RH-M {or someone not signed yet :hmmm:}
Player of the season:
Liam Kinsella





Can't say it was a bad or good guess, the promoted/winners one seems to be fairly similar from most of us across the board.

No one really would expect both Barrow and Crewe to be real challengers and of course we all seemed fairly optimistic. I will say though, this was with the gullible impression and promise that the lying aussie cunt Clem would have the funds to build a promotion chasing side...

Not sure anyone really predicted Crawley to be anywhere near the top 10 and the relegation spots weren't offered to either FGR, Col Utd or Sutton I don't think.

Stockport was the mainstay with either auto promo or winners selected by most, as was Wrexham which due to no shock of them spending quite well. I think Notts County would have still been there or thereabouts, had a great first half of the season and then everything built was dismantled in front of them. Shame for them really. Their side in the first half of the season was great, completely polar to that now.

The only person I can see who predicted a really poor finish {but still better than where Town currently are} was BoA Vagabond with 16th I think.

Can we still have Kinsella as PoTS...a choice by several, including myself  :crash: