Another mass shooting

[Flashheart]

*Pedantry*A debate is an argument *pedantry*

Interesting link Nick. Didn't know about that.

[Batch]

Jon Williams BBC foreign editor tweets: Truly shocking: in 2009 (latest yr) 31,347 killed by firearms in US. Almost as many as road accidents (via @MicahZenko)

In 2008, in the UK there were 39. If someone has flipped and is intent they will find a gun, but the US makes it very easy in comparison to the UK.

[Saxondale]

After the shootings at that batman premiere I genuinely heard a pro gun lobbyist saying that the area the cinema was in was one where it was illegal to carry a gun.  If it wasn't illegal someone would have taken him out and it would have all been fine.

[leefer]

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Cant argue with that....rather i cant debate that

[Summerof69]

In 2008, in the UK there were 39. If someone has flipped and is intent they will find a gun, but the US makes it very easy in comparison to the UK.

There was probably more deaths by 'friendly fire' by US troops than deaths in the UK.

[sonicyouth]

In 2008, in the UK there were 39. If someone has flipped and is intent they will find a gun, but the US makes it very easy in comparison to the UK.

how many is that per 100,000 people though? the massive difference in population makes comparisons such as those very skewed.

Cant argue with that....rather i cant debate that

we all love a mass debate now and then...

i'm not convinced that changing gun laws in the US will ever make a difference. the guns are out there, the culture will not change because of a change of law and as instances around the world has proved, these tragic events will still happen.

it's a sad thought.

[Posh Red]

After the shootings at that batman premiere I genuinely heard a pro gun lobbyist saying that the area the cinema was in was one where it was illegal to carry a gun.  If it wasn't illegal someone would have taken him out and it would have all been fine.

This is a widely held view in the US.

I am a member if a couple of American Football forums & on one of those they have already pooh pooh'ed the idea of Gun Control in relation to this tragedy & even suggested that IF teachers were allowed to carry guns then that would stop events like this.

They can't comprehend that less guns might equal less shootings.

[Summerof69]

how many is that per 100,000 people though? the massive difference in population makes comparisons such as those very skewed.

With the population of the US being around 5 times bigger (Est. 63m v Est. 315m), that would be 195 v 31347 !!

[sonicyouth]

With the population of the US being around 5 times bigger (Est. 63m v Est. 315m), that would be 195 v 31347 !!

ok, must work on my mathematics.

not arguing the point that more relaxed gun laws are the way forward, i'm just cynical.

[Ardiles]

I am a member if a couple of American Football forums & on one of those they have already pooh pooh'ed the idea of Gun Control in relation to this tragedy & even suggested that IF teachers were allowed to carry guns then that would stop events like this.

I was going to stay out of this but...teachers should be armed?!

Sweet Jesus.  Where do you start with that?

[Summerof69]

I am a member if a couple of American Football forums & on one of those they have already pooh pooh'ed the idea of Gun Control in relation to this tragedy & even suggested that IF teachers were allowed to carry guns then that would stop events like this.

They can't comprehend that less guns might equal less shootings.

It's amazing to think that instead of having less guns in the classroom...they want more.

What happens then if a teacher decides to take out pupils he/she doesn't like?

[sonicyouth]

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fischer-god-didnt-stop-ct-school-shooting-because-hes-gentleman-who-doesnt-go-where-he-not-w

Brian Fischer spent the first hour of his radio program today discussing this morning's truly horrific shooting at an elementary school in Connecticut, which he, of course, blamed on the fact that prayer, the Bible, and the Ten Commandments are not taught in public schools.

Fischer said that God could have protected the victims of this massacre, but didn't because "God is not going to go where he is not wanted" and so if school administrators really want to protect students, they will start every school day with prayer:

[leefer]

I was going to stay out of this but...teachers should be armed?!

Sweet Jesus.  Where do you start with that?

You start by shooting the shooter...i think it is a good idea and would be a deterrent as well i reckon.
I have always though having an armed guard on air flights(plain clothed)would help stop hijackings.

[Flashheart]

i think it is a good idea and would be a deterrent as well i reckon.

Well it really deterred today's shooter, whom got shot dead. As were others before him.

[Batch]

how many is that per 100,000 people though? t

To answer the question :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

US 9 per 100,000 (2.98 murders, 5.75 suicide, 0.27 accidental)
UK 0.22 per 100,000 (0.03 murders, 0.16 suicide, 0.01 accidental)