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« Reply #7005 on: Thursday, September 5, 2019, 21:08:23 » |
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if they didn't offer you a deal on the car he could just use his old car, which was better anyway.
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The point is that it's suspected Boris was going for no deal all along. Let's be honest, they're not negotiating, have put an unworkable backstop solution to the EU and have been on an election footing for quite a while.
if you think he's crazy enough to go for no deal, then you'd have to put things in place to stop it. Otherwise you're left trusting Boris, and nobody does that - not even his own brother.
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« Reply #7006 on: Thursday, September 5, 2019, 21:31:01 » |
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I don't think that one can be pinned on Boris - that ship sailed months ago.
Corbyn et al threw away our main bargaining chip a long time ago when making it clear they prefered no brexit over May's deal. Although at the point it was already clear that May's deal was just not going to work either, so harsh to blame it all on Corbyn.
What a palava.
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« Reply #7007 on: Thursday, September 5, 2019, 23:24:55 » |
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I don't think anyone will come up smelling of roses
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« Reply #7008 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 00:16:21 » |
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I don't think that one can be pinned on Boris - that ship sailed months ago.
Corbyn et al threw away our main bargaining chip a long time ago when making it clear they prefered no brexit over May's deal. Although at the point it was already clear that May's deal was just not going to work either, so harsh to blame it all on Corbyn.
What a palava.
We had very few bargening chips to begin with. Thats the problem May had |
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« Reply #7009 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 07:39:07 » |
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We had very few bargening chips to begin with. Thats the problem May had
It's basic geopolitics. The smaller partner to any deal or negotiation will always be the weaker party. It's why 'they need us more than we need them' was complete bollocks in 2016 and remains bollocks now. It should finally now be dawning on Johnson, Mogg and anyone who fell for the lies of 2016 that the choice is essentially being a part of the EU, or being ruled by the EU. The EU, a market 10 times the size of the UK and on our doorstep, will always be there. It will always exert a gravitational pull...whether we're in or out. A 'clean break' Brexit does not exist, and never will. Even if there is a No Deal exit in the short term, we will need to come back to the table at some point....at which point all of the same issues - the Irish border, the £39bn etc. - will reappear. Johnson is squirming now because, finally, he's being found out. |
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« Reply #7010 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 08:48:37 » |
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« Reply #7011 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 09:13:23 » |
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Johnson has delivered another rambling incoherent speech, inter alia saying he'd rather be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Can we have a referendum on that?
Its all gone rather Russia/North Korea/Handmaids Tale.  |
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« Reply #7012 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 09:15:58 » |
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« Reply #7013 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 09:35:27 » |
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Very good. Accurate regarding Abbott too. She is a woman who fucked some figures up in her 7th interview of a day when she was unwell, gas been ridiculed for it relentlessly since. Often on social media by working class people who she would fight tooth and nail to provide for. Ironic. It's the same for Corbyn. He ain't just fighting the Tories. He's fighting the biased media and the idiots who get brainwashed by it. They believe the utter lies spewed about the man. |
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« Reply #7014 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 09:39:58 » |
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Very good. Accurate regarding Abbott too.
She is a woman who fucked some figures up in her 7th interview of a day when she was unwell, gas been ridiculed for it relentlessly since. Often on social media by working class people who she would fight tooth and nail to provide for. Ironic.
I just cannot put my finger on the reason why so many right wing men seem to hate her so much! |
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« Reply #7015 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 09:43:08 » |
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It's the same for Corbyn. He ain't just fighting the Tories. He's fighting the biased media and the idiots who get brainwashed by it. They believe the utter lies spewed about the man.
This 100% this. I have many narrow minded mates that judge him only by what the popular press has said about him without ever checking their accuracy in reporting, labelling him up as the devil incarnate, when to my mind he is anything but. He is probably one of the least pathological lying twunts of a politician ever, who is one of the very few that is not in it to further his own financial gain or to make money at the expense of the populate. His major problem has been his indecisiveness at times. |
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Only a fool does not know when to hold his tongue.
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« Reply #7016 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 09:50:09 » |
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« Reply #7017 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 09:51:13 » |
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This 100% this.
I have many narrow minded mates that judge him only by what the popular press has said about him without ever checking their accuracy in reporting, labelling him up as the devil incarnate, when to my mind he is anything but.
He is probably one of the least pathological lying twunts of a politician ever, who is one of the very few that is not in it to further his own financial gain or to make money at the expense of the populate.
His major problem has been his indecisiveness at times.
Agree. By all means disagree with his political views etc, but people don't. They have a problem with him over issues that are false or totally misrepresented. Terrorist sympathy, anti semitic views, etc. All lies for instance. |
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« Reply #7018 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 09:57:44 » |
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A lot of people claim he objected to the Good Friday Agreement (because he is an IRA sympathiser). That is just plain false. He objected to a previous effort because he (and many others) felt it was not good enough.
These are just plain facts, but tell this to some people and you are accused of being a communist or whatever.
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« Reply #7019 on: Friday, September 6, 2019, 10:30:42 » |
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Its all gone rather Russia/North Korea/Handmaids Tale. Think this might be a closer inspiration. Cummings-Johnson is just riffing through Trump's playbook - massively divisive, fuck broad coalitions but activate your "base". Hardly surprising given the close links and meetings both have had with Bannon, the white nationalist adviser who got Trump elected. This is Bannon's plan for Britain.  |
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