Thetownend.com

Does not sound good there right now.

3 separate gun attacks, at least 18 dead, explosions near the Stade de France

Fingers crossed the normal news scramble has got it wrong and overplayed it.

Somewhat unlikely not to be a linked an co-ordinated attack.

40 dead now according to Sky news.
Frightening, something needs to be done.

100 people taken hostage.

That's the thing, what can you do. Other than hope the authorities pick it up before it happens. Which it can't do in every case.

Guess we will have to see how is behind it before, though I'm sure we have our suspicions.

France is such a big country. Crazy. No way can the Euros happen next year in Paris. Did anyone see the footage inside the stadium of the explosions outside? Chilling...  :no:

One of Josh Homme's bands were playing at the time supposedly.

The news is horrific, the reactions of angry people terrifying. This next week is going to be a shitstorm.

I disagree. This can happen in pretty much any city in the western world.

It can but where do you draw a line? Is it not a worry to you?

The brilliance of our security services is the only reason it doesn't happen here more often. The French don't appear quite so lucky.

Is what not a worry, the Euros being in France, or that any city can be bombed?

Yeah its a worry, but the chances of getting caught in such a thing are fairly remote. The IRA used to bomb cities too. I've more chance of dying driving down the motorway every day - that's how I rationalise the risk.

The intelligence agencies of Europe will be all over the Euros. Foolproof no, but less likely to occur than any other time.

Eagles of Death Metal. There were people on Twitter moaning about the fact they were referred to as a metal band, like that was the issue. People are tossers.

It's sad how many have used this as an opportunity to spout their bigotry and ignorance. Tragedy should unite people, not divide them further. Not to mention all the assumptions and guesswork that are happening - it's not helpful to anyone. Just sad all round.

No. I truly feel sorry for anybody who has been hurt or their relations and friends if they have been killed.

However, I am not damaged in this instance but if it happens, then it happens. I was a bit too close to one or two of the IRA bombs in the 70's but being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a matter of circumstance.

This is what you get as a result of the evil psychopaths that are "in power" deciding to fuck with other people in made up geographical areas elsewhere. An eye for an eye. This is the problem of "countries" and "governments".

Enniskillen. 9/11. Tube bombing. Massacre in North Africa.

All preventable. Just stay out of people's lives

Really? You think that a public service is effective? Luck more like.

Mate is over there and heard shooting.posted on FB.

Back in his hotel room thank fuck.

Absolutely shocking scenes in Paris. The concert hall in particular sounded truly horrific.

Now is not the time to make judgements or even think about the fucking Euro's. Think it's sad that people, including Henry Winter, has even raised that line of thought tonight, whilst innocents are being slaughtered.

During the week my mother in law was telling my wife she didn't want us to take our holiday to Egypt next year. My response was that it was just as likely to happen in a major city and now this happens. Absolutely terrible. It will be interesting to see what the global response is.

120 dead, 8 attackers all dead. Religion  ::)

The always brilliant Eagles of Death Metal (I don't think Homme was on the tour though).

A terrible night.

That's fucked up.

We had a similar conversation when we were in Turkey earlier in the year. I said that people shouldn't be put off coming to Turkey as you are as likely to have something happen anywhere in the world these days.

The sad thing, when I heard the news, was that I wasn't completely shocked, however the actual scale, is shocking.

They're a bunch of cowards who are killing innocent unarmed people in Syria, Tunisia and now in Europe. For what?

Can't wait to see how the Adver get a Swindon connection to this story.

The gunmen/bombers themselves probably think they're doing it in retribution for Western involvements in the Middle East. In reality, the attacks carried out by these people are to provoke Western nations and further incite hatred toward Islam and Muslims. That is what the leaders of the so-called caliphate want, because it makes it easier for them to convert and radicalise followers of the Islamic faith to their "cause".

Exactly. Brainwashed idiots.

Probably take them until Wednesday to find one!

And it'll all be spelt wrong.

Couldn't agree more with this.

Before any bigots pipe up on here

http://quran.com/5/32

A particular highlight has been the ranty message's blaming it all on religion of various types finished with #prayforparis....

One thing I have noted recently is I assume the concept of irony is no longer taught in schools.

I didn't understand much of that.
Basically, Israelis should not kill a person because if they do, then they are killing all people. However, if an Israeli saves a person, then they save all people. A bit much to pile on the Jews, don't you think?
Like the bible, you can pick pieces from the quran a make it say what you want it to say.
All religions pay lip service to love and piece and the world would be a better place without all of them.
But homo sapiens being what we are, we would still find a way to start a fight.

Where's the resident bandwagon jumper?

Piece of what?

Please no minute's silence before the game today.

I would argue that the world would remain a very similar place, for the exact reason you have given. If it wasn't so easy for the leaders to radicalise young people in the name of a god, they'd do it in the name of some other form of ideology.

To suggest otherwise is to ignore the history of mankind.

Awaiting his parties official line.

Unlucky!

Yeah but you'd think there would be a collection going around by now judging by previous experience...

I think you're jumping the gun a tad on your implication there mate, I could cite numerous verses from the Quran and the Hadiths that explicitly ORDER the killing of people for various reasons. Does that make me a bigot? Of course I don't think that you think that I am a bigot, it's rhetorical.

Don't forget to ask them about Taqiya.

Exactly, The next verse sort of evens it out a bit http://quran.com/5/33

Just for the record, I would like to confirm that I DO NOT affiliate all Muslims with these extremist cunt-nuggets. I wish to distance myself from the Daily Mail brigade. (Not necessarily directed at anybody commenting so far)

You cannot roll a turd in glitter and call it anything other than a glitter encrused turd. The fall out will be widespread. The repercussions for the EU are far reaching. Not least the Schengen agreement.

What's the matter? Can't see the wood from tree's?

I'm an atheist anti-theist, and rather active in the debate. I despise Islam along with its pedo, mass-murdering founder and I think that all Muslims are wrong for following such a death cult.

That does not mean, however, that I think they (all Muslims) are necessarily bad people because I think they are wrong. I just think they are wrong. I put Christians in the same category because I thing they are wrong.

Are you Christian? If Not, do you hate all Christians as well?

The problem is what is the end-game for this conflict?

There is nothing IS wants, in terms of negotiation, apart from killing infidels.

Honestly, I'm struggling to work out what  you're actually saying.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you appear to be against all religions but you're also an anti-athiest?

They want more than to kill infidels though, don't they?

I'm an atheist, which means that I do not believe in any god.

I'm also an anti-theist, which means I oppose religion, because of the harm that it does.

TBH though, Flash, do you not think that if there was no religion people would still behave as they do now but for a different reason?

I've come to the conclusion that the extremist stuff is just the human condition

Cheers, now that makes sense.

Look at the Scandinavian countries which are atheistic/secular. They have some of the lowest crime rates one the planet. Google is your friend.

They believe they are fulfilling a prophecy. They wish to establish a global Caliphate and annihilate anybody that doesn't follow their radical form of Islam. They also believe that there is soon to be an apocalypse and their current efforts will appease their almighty god on their Day of Judgement.

But then you had that fella who went on the rampage in Norway. Religion or not, some humans are just programmed that way.

I honestly despair about us

Gotta say, think this is right. Used to blame it on religion but it does seem that sad inadequate people will hang their hat on any cause that gives their life (and death) meaning.

40% of British Muslims want Sharia law imposed on Britain. 

My standard response is if living under Sharia law is so great, fuck off to Saudia Arabia (or wherever)

Apart from the biggest Scandinavian country, Sweden. There's always an exception to the rule right? Except when the exception becomes the rule of course...

Surely that's an argument in favour of deportation of the 40%?

Agreed. Yet you have to take a closer look at their definition of crime.

Sweden used to be like that and so did Denmark. Its too late for them. Let too many in and now there in trouble with soaring Rape incidents and crime in General.

Thwarted by the daily mail again. <- i didn't put the dm letters in caps on purpose. That'll learn them.

'night all

What like their definition of rape for example? Google is your friend...

Where would you deport "British Muslims" to?

Any Islamic country.

Really?  If that is true then there truly is no hope for living side by side. Depressing.

kill 'em all,let god sort it out   ;)

There's a guy in a Norwegian prison who came over from Iraq as a refugee in the early 90's, he created one of these Islamist groups, praised the Charlie Hebdo killings, and is accused of encouraging recruitment to IS. Why do we put up with it? When will people take their head out their arses and realise we have a big problem on our hands.

Because its not pc to speak out against the cunts.
Might offend some do gooders.

This should house a few https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Antarctic_Territory

History has a way of repeating itself. Wouldn't exactly be deporting, more like transporting. Australia didn't turn out too bad 200 years later did it .

....Red Frog?

A scary read, posted in 2005:
http://m.spiegel.de/international/a-369448.html

Got a source? Best I can find is a nine year old poll in which 40% said they want it introduced in parts of Britain, which whilst far from agreeable is not quite what you suggested.

Probably hold up in his panic room. He'll come out when it calms down.
Theirs 400 French citizens whose lives have been ended/effected by these sorry excuses of humanity.
Watching the film footage on tv is devastating. Truly the slaughter of the innocence.
Interesting to see the bbc trying to cope with the fact that one of the killers was a refugee on a Greek island in August.
After all their hard work to get these people into Europe. No gratitude, some people.

Well no, he won't be a refugee turned radical will he? It'll more likely be Isis soldiers smuggled in under the guise of being a refugee

Now where did that banner go?

Um, yeah, your source sounds just like the one I was referring to. The wording is a little different but not massively so, so I'm not sure what your objection is.

Jesus, like a BNP/EDL/Britain First fuckfest in this thread now...

don't you realise this is *exactly* how the turds want you to react? They want to drive a wedge in between the different faiths, they want the peaceful muslims to be segregated and targeted so they can then recruit even more disaffected believers? You're playing straight into their hands.

Answer me this, did any of you that are so anti-muslim also turn against all the catholics when the IRA were in full swing? Same thing, terrorist group uses faith as a piss-poor excuse to kill anyone they can. Different scales, I'll agree, but the same base point.

I don't know who you're addressing but personally I am anti-Islam, not anti Muslim. There is a significant difference.

At the end of the day, we're all human beings. Some of us are more unhinged than others, but we're all made of the same stuff.

Fuck all the race, religion and other discrimination BS.

Mad, horrible people have done some horrible things. That's all.

I find the hypocrisy, both in mainstream media and social sites like Facebook, a little distasteful.

Innocent people are being slaughtered on a weekly basis by the same kind of fanatics that carried out the attacks in Paris and often they don't even create a ripple. Now, because it's happened in a western country, everyone's thoughts are with the poor people of Paris.

I'm not trying to make light, or lessen, the atrocity, but I don't feel any more or less than I do when innocents are killed in Syria, or Iraq, or anywhere else.

The genie is out of the bottle now and I can't see a solution that doesn't involve more bloodshed.

Fair point, 40 were killed by Dais in the Lebanon on Thursday - and not a peep in the Press.  

There are however much closer connections between England and France than there are between England and the Lebanon (or Syria, Iraq etc)

It may be amazing that the Adver sells any copies at all but the facts are that it does, and a lot more in Swindon than in Beirut and that there is more coverage in it of Swindon and the region than of say Beirut.

If there is hypocrisy, it may be how different values tend to apply to different human lives - but not in the intrinsic newsworthiness or interest in what happens in a neighbouring capital city

All religion is pretty cunty tbf, Islam certainly wins first prize though.

It's in the Human dna to wage war and fight, if religion was not used as the carrier it would just be another made up load of bollocks (like religion).

Just roll over and have your tummy tickled

Why not contribute to the debate properly?

On a side note to this heinous crime.

Several years back there was the Boston bombings that killed several innocent people and then soon after the horrod killing of a British solider in London.

Rightly so, these acts of crime were front page news in all western news agencies...

However, during that time there were ONE THOUSAND innocent civilians being killed per month in Iraq and not reported to the West.

No wonder Tony Blair seems to be worried about this new report due out... !!!   

COYMR's

 

So who perpetrated the killing of these one thousand innocent civilians per month?

 I found it interesting that if you read the Daily Mail you're a right wing racist xenophobic thug. I read that paper i am against Islam in Britain but not anti Muslim. The trouble is if we take a more left sided view we will allow more into our country, then as they grow in numbers the inevitable will happen. Until we as a country or even Europe as a whole stand up to the migrant crisis then we will slowly become swamped with them. I feel sorry for the genuine ones who are fleeing not just trying to better themselves we shouldn't have to put up with that. Their country is a shit hole so they'd all want to come is my opinion so it needs to be addressed. Unfortunately people will take the view of a friend of mine who was on the plane with shoe bomber Richard Reid, he full on shat himself when he tried to donate that bomb because he knew if he did he and all the passengers on that plane would be dead, now he is too afraid to go on a plane if there happens to be an Islamic looking passenger.

Pete...

With respect, does it really matter.....
Simply this type of thing was and is still happening in Iraq, now Syria and before Afghanistan to name just a few.
Without generalising, it seems everywhere America and its allies go including Britain promoting the banner of freedom and democracy serious trouble is not very far behind.

COYMR's


      

I think regardless of whether we are involved or not they will still wage war on each other. But although we must shoulder some blame they have always been an aggressive faith otherwise why would Shiah brawl with Sunny etc?
But if you look at the struggles in Iraq now that Saddam is dead then we did influence it, we defeated him. Why did we do it? Because he was harming innocent civilians that were different faith, but he kept all the dodgy groups in order because he ruled with an iron fist. Now we are reaping what we sow. This doesn't mean we are obliged to surrender or borders to the filthy murdering cowardly scum
Isn't it ironic that those who are hood winked into suicide don't ask why the imams haven't done it?  Surely if there was that many Virgins waiting for you they'd be chomping at the bit for it also!!  Thick as fuck the lot of them

NZ, I agree, it doesn't really matter. Iran and Iraq fought a long war in the 1980s that claimed over a million lives. Rarely reported in the press and supported with weapons from all the 'superpowers'.

OK that was a while ago, but we never seem to have a bit of peace, ongoing war in the Ukraine seems to have been forgotten. The current G20 conference reporting seems to be be a courting of Russia, to join in the fight against Isis, or whatever they are called, in the aftermath of the Paris attack. That whole region is a complete mess. Much like Yugoslavia, Chechnya etc etc.

Meanwhile in other news, Republican presidential candidate advocates the use of nukes to solve the problem

http://realnewsrightnow.com/2015/08/trump-i-will-absolutely-use-a-nuclear-weapon-against-isis/

While Islam at present certainly appears to be the most dangerous, I find he bible to be worse than the Quran. Especially the Old Testament. Thankfully though, due to various reasons, Christians tend not to be quite so fundamental and are more prone to cherry-picking. Otherwise we'd have Xtians killing people for picking up sticks on a Sunday, among other things.

Lets face it gentlemen and ladies...

The World is in a right shambles at present and for the life of me I can't see a working solution to get it sorted.

Except for one and that's more damming than any one can imagine.

COYMR's

 

Whilst I'd go along with you on Old Testament law being harsh (by our modern-day standards), you obviously have no idea what a Christian is. A Christian is a follower of Christ.

I've not said any different, have I?

If all religion was banned then it would solve this problem, just like if football was banned there would be no hooliganism.

Of course not

Apparently an 'ambulance' has been found outside Hanover stadium full of explosives.

Match has been called off and stadium evacuated so seems genuine....

Worrying thing is that if it's a copy-cat of the Paris attack, there will almost certainly be more attacks planned in Hannover/Germany tonight..... there's a rather large game going on in London as well.

Just bought tickets for Man U v PSV next Wednesday. Wasn't really worried about it. Now the Hanover thing has seeds of doubt in my mind.

Tell me I'm being irrational FH.

That said, I suppose anything could happen anywhere if the terrorists have the means. We've already seen restaurants and theatres hit.

I'm going to the ATP Tennis at the O2 on Friday and I'd be lying if I said it hadn't crossed my mind.

An atrocity has only just happened. Everyone is hyper vigilant, there's mass security everywhere.

Hyper vigilance = more false positives! more scares.

People who commit these organised acts on a mass scale are many things but they aren't stupid. Why would they do it at the precise time everyone is expecting them to?

Thanks Ells :) Though in this case the Hanover threat looks genuine.

I guess all sporting events will be on high alert now, which is no bad thing.

They may not be stupid, be they are nuts. Nuts enough to die for their nutty cause, even. These nut-jobs may well see imposing terror as a success regardless of the number of casualties. They'll be 'Alluhu-akbharing' just at a game getting called off.

"apparently"
Any official conformation?

This one clearly isn't a scare, seems very genuine

Well done to FA tonight, don't say that often, classy stuff pre-game at Wembley.

The fact they're mental is obvious, doesn't make them any more likely to carry out an organised attack when the security services etc are at their most vigilant.

At the end of the day the chances of being attacked by a terrorist are pretty damn low. I mean in a "you might as well not leave the house at all" kind of low. And if it's just a one-off mental you're worried about, even lower.

That said, I'm not sure I can advocate you attending a Man Utd game Mr Batch  :hmmm:

Its a surprise birthday present for a mate. He's turning 40 and (obviously) he's never seen a United game that isn't through a TV. Your honour.

"Executive" seats too, he better be fucking impressed. My credit card company will be.

At least we have proper football the night before..

Ha that's a fab gift! for a dickhead I organised something similar for the bf's brother, through gritted teeth, but it went down very well. I'll let you off just this once.

No need to cross out the dickhead bit.

Here we go again.

Terrorists have taken 170 people hostage in the Radison Hotel in Bamako, Mali's capital.

Large number of these are French nationals - Mali being a former French colony

The French also helped suppress an alarmingly "successful" (as in they were taking and holding substantial amounts of territory) Islamist insurgency in Mali a few years back, so there are regional reasons why they would be targets there, separate from IS/Syria

If it is your time, it is your time. Be it by way of Tommy Terrorist, crossing the road without seeing the bus with your name on it, heart attack- whatever. Just crack on and live your life.

Worry about the terrorists and they have won.

As drunkenly mentioned on a previous thread, the portrayal of the migrant situation has been doctored by our lame brain media. I recently spent 6 weeks in Croatia where an ongoing stream of economic migrants has flowed. The cherry picked presentation of poor diddums women and children escaping conflict is a fucking lie. The vast majority are men in their 20s and 30s seizing an opportunity to climb on the welfare state wherever the bounty is greatest. Massive societal schisms will result.

As for the brownosing cunt with the 'refugees welcome' banner, on your head be it when the shit hits the fan. Bed wetting liberal, Bath residing imbecile. Spare room for the marauding bastards?

Ah, it's been too long. You should post daily.

I am a drunken oaf about to go for a pint. Good luck my friend. I can heartily recommend a holiday in Croatia, where I will be moving in due course (not as an economic migrant). I intend to integrate and embrace, unlike these grasping weasel opportunists that we pander to.

I wouldn't go that far....it's fair enough to disagree with someone, but personal abuse is uncalled for.

What's this got to do with terrorist attacks? I wish you'd fuck off now but no doubt as an economic migrant yourself, you'll probably be able to afford internet access in Croatia.

I would have had dossy down as a bed wetter myself,considering the state he gets in before posting on here.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I'm quite happy to climb above Fatbury's lovestick here.

You're a very strange chap. I hope you find the happiness that clearly has evaded you so thoroughly in this country.

There are too many economic migrants heading to Croatia which annoys you.. So you're going to move there? That doesn't sound like it's going to ease your frustrations Dossy.

The 'economic' migrants are just passing through on their way to Western Europe though. They won't stay in Croatia and drag it down.

Just remember that whatever they do has absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam and they're not 'REAL MUSLIMS'.

It's not as if a single one of them has been born into an Islamic country and been brought up within a society that is culturally Islamic.

It's not as if a single one has been to a Mosque or a Madras.

It's not as if a single one identifies themself as 'Muslim'

It's not as if a single one claims to be acting in the name of 'Allah'

It's not as if a single one believes Sharia law is the only law

It's not as if a single one wants to create an Islamic 'Caliphate'

It's not as if a single one decided to kill innocent people of every and all faiths, and none, based on the teachings of Islam.

I could go on but what pisses me off a lot at the moment is all the limp-wristed weaklings in the media, along with politicians, repeating and giving platforms to this lie.

They are Muslim.
They are acting on their interpretation of the Koran.
They want to destroy all non-Muslims or at the very least convert them.
They don't believe in anything that isn't in that bloodied book.

It is not only a problem with Muslims but it is also an Islamic problem.

Muslims need to accept that whether they like it or not, the likes of IS and others are acting in the name of their religion. They may not agree with them which is great, but unfortunately they're not making the running and attracting the headlines. Therefore, they need to pick a team and nail their colours to the mast, so to speak, and do it once and for all, or fuck off.

Islam itself, as a religion, isn't that different from all the Abrahamic religions. It has positive and negative messages throughout. Unfortunately, you currently have the west that went through the enlightenment and the Middle East that is at least a thousand years behind the modern world.

Christianity has been similarly barbaric, it's just older than Islam and thankfully became slightly more civilized as time went on.

They may identify themselves at Muslims, but most Muslims don't want anything to do with them. Not to mention the fact they've killed more Muslims than any other faith. The koran has it's flaws but for the most part it does command respect of the older religious texts. It forbids killing of innocents too (although what it states as innocent is probably a bit different to what most people would consider innocent..)

I do not disagree with that.

But they ARE Muslims. They are acting on the teachings of the Koran.

Why do the Politicians and Media deny that fact?

It doesn't help anyone, least of all Muslims, to deny it.

And therein lies the rub:


The Quran itself explicitly tells it's followers to kill non-believers, (slay them wherever you find them) leaves little room for interpretation.

Thankfully, though, the majority make excuses for (or are unaware of) such passages and just focus on the 'good' stuff. In much the same way that you'll not likely find Christians taking their mischievous sons to the city gates to be killed. I'm all for helping the refugees and what not and hold no ill-feeling toward Muslims in general. It is irksome, however, when people say things like the extremists 'are not true Muslim', because the statement is demonstrably false. They are following what the Muslim holy book says--- directly, literally.

Oh, and much of the reason they kill other Muslims is because they claim that the others are not true Muslims.

Those who want to blame "Islam" or "Muslims" for the psychotic terrorists, that's fine as long as they're prepared to take their share of responsibility for the likes of Breivik, the KKK, et al, all of whom claim to be doing their reprehensible acts in the name of Christian Western civilization. Ridiculous smears.

Islam is at least part of the problem though Paul. Not entirely, but at least part. People are quick to say Islam is good because of the good things it's good followers do, but wish to absolve it of all blame for the bad things that its bad followers do. It seems OK to post a verse saying "don't kill people" and say "look, it's all good". So why is the same not said about the bad stuff? It comes from the same bleedin' book.

This guy explains it better then I can: http://imgur.com/gallery/aFxN4ut

I wouldn't have much problem admitting that most, if not all, monotheistic religions are in some way culpable for a variety of atrocities caused since they first began. Religion brings comfort to people in different ways, some do genuinely believe they have to act in a violently aggressive way to get to heaven. But I also think it's true that some people will cling on to anything to justify their acts. A world without religion would probably be a lot more peaceful... But people would still kill each other.

Christopher Hitchens used to lay out a (slightly ambiguous, admittedly) challenge in his debates with many different religious scholars...

"Name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever.
 The second challenge. Can anyone think of a wicked statement made, or an evil action performed, precisely because of religious faith?"

Don't think he ever received a satisfactory answer.

Conflation of the intellectually retarded.

 ::)

One that that irks me about the debate is that some might choose to affiliate me with certain others in this thread. Fuck that, I'm out.

So the media refer to the terrorists as Muslim. What exactly does that achieve? other than encouraging fuckwits like the EDL to roll around in pork fat and jizz on each other, or whatever it is they do.

Those saying the perpetrators are not representative of Islam doesn't mean they're shirking any possible connections.

No. The media and Politicians say they're not NOT Muslim when clearly they are. They say so themselves.

Are you suggesting this is a case of cultural appropriation?

Having extensively studied cults and the psychology of them that's all that reads like to me.

Marginalised and or naive + someone offering a potential 'solution' + some form of scripture to back it up. (Third part only works if the first 2 are firmly enough in place.)

Could be the Koran, could be the Bible, could be something conjured out of the "bearded guys" (his words) own head.

No, I'm asking what you think it would achieve if they did refer to them as Muslim.

Don't worry, your points have been noted and have merit and nobody would associate you with anything than being an atheist.

I'm not having a go at Muslims. I'm having a go at the narrative that that the Islamic terrorists are not Muslims.

They are, whether Muslims like it or not.

God bless Ironside

We're not all witting or unwitting dopes to the prescribed system.

Thetownend.com has become a coterie of self-defeating blatherers.

No matter what, sense shall prevail.

Consider this, this time last week 128 people were going about their business upon the point of murder, and the narrative in shithole UK is that we need to be tolerant and accepting of our fate. Fuck that, we, ourselves, family and friends need to stand as one diametrically opposed to the plague of Islam. The adherents of the faith are not our companions.

I can answer that (getting dragged back in again).

The biggest threat to Islamic extremism isn't bomb's and guns, it's moderate Islam. The problem when people say 'they're not true Muslims' is that it is absolving all Muslims, or more importantly Islam, of any responsibility whatsoever. Of course, individual Muslims are not culpable for the fuckwits but Islam itself is at least, partly, to blame.

Allow me to elaborate: In 13 Islamic states the penalty for apostasy is death. This is a STATE SANCTIONED penalty. A penalty which comes from sharia law, which in turn comes from the Quran and the Hadiths. The children there are growing up with the indoctrination that is is OK, even legal, to kill people if they leave the faith. That's setting the bar a tad low where value of human life is concerned, and it's not difficult to see how they might then take the next step and begin dishing out justice themselves. It's not just the killing either, there are other religiously inspired atrocities carried out through much of the Islam world.

Moderate Islam needs to step up and begin to address this problem en mass. Some have tried and been punished severely (see Raif Badawi). It's too big a task, and far too risky, for individuals. It will be difficult, and it will take a long time but until the Islamic community stands up and says 'this shit needs fixing', rather than, 'they're not Muslims, nowt to do with us' then the process wont even begin.

Fair points FH. I'd like to put it on record that I am an anti-theist myself.

That said, Dossy, seeking to understand why people do things is not the same as condoning their actions.. In fact it's vital in that the more you understand, the more likely you are to prevent things from happening again.

It's basically my job :)

People are fucked up.

It's 2015. In the Islamic calendar it's 1437.

Maybe we could send El Cid or Henry V to sort it out?

John Sobieski is yer man, he was King of Poland and Archduke of Lithuania when the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth held a good chunk of Central Europe.  This Alliance defeated the Musselmen at the gates of Vienna in 1683....just as well really otherwise we could have ended up with Sharia Courts here....oh

Shows how feeble the brain really is.

This.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eP_9kMmOO0.

Or this

http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/17/muslim-scholar-tells-isis-terrorist-to-fck-off-and-leave-the-west-alone-5508450/

So you don't dispute the fact that they are actually Muslims then?

Hi Reg,

You are a clearly informed individual and someone who has a comprehensive knowledge of Swindon and its proud history.

Acknowlege me, as someone at the coalface in Croatia, and tell me that my upfront experience of these 'asylum seekers' is misguided. No matter of sympathy will make an iota of difference. They are overwhelmingly deviants who have seen their chance.

You're a fucking lunatic.

For the record.

Earth would be a much more peaceful place without humankind.

For every one of them, there's a link back to the Koran that says otherwise.

I thought I made that clear already.

Is that the best you've got, or do you want to be eviscerated on record turd for brains?

You didn't watch the video, did you? He accepts that the terrorists ARE Muslims.

Isn't it odd, that I've met Hindus and Sikhs with the same vehemently expressed opinion; beware of Islam. You shall know them by their deeds.

We have freedom of expression. Fuck allah and Mohammed is caked in pigs blood rotting in hell.

Cheers Reg, sounds better than Vlad the Impaler

Islam is a religion of peace that leaves others in pieces

Are you going to be offering us pearls of wisdom all night, Dossy?

Hi mate,

Going to observe a minute's peace. I think we're all pissed off and disgusted. Life goes on.

Nah didn't, was travelling at the time.

Just clicked. Been doing the rounds.

Refugees welcome, come on in

http://buzzpo.com/this-is-the-most-disturbing-muslim-refugee-video-you-will-ever-see/

All religions are fucking ludicrous but these warped fuckers would find a reason to kill if they were not Muslim. They'd just be fucked up in another way and kill for that reason instead. Well that's what I think they'd do anyway.

I think the world is dying now due to the human race. It's sad demise is speeding up rapidly in my opinion.

When did we become meek gutless fucks? Have you noticed left wing scum have no children, and therefore disavow the future. Murder the left wing nation wrecking, self liquidating whores to Zionism.

They are either catastrophically stupid or complicit in nation wrecking. Burn the left wing cunts

Bollocks.

Islam is the reason they kill. Had they be brought up amongst any other religion, they wouldn't be complete cunts.

Try your lefty games in Croatia and we'll find the nearest lamppost to hang you from.

I still don't know whether you're serious or trolling.

Here's a message to the self loathing left wing excrement. Bring it on, you uni indoctrinated spew, the time is near when we rise and hang the fucking lot of you. Gutless pricks

You hate Oxford like me. A

Hi mate, hope things are well. Just hate left wing effete traitors

You don't know that though do you ? We're both guessing what would happen. I just guess differently to you. Neither of us are right or wrong.

(http://i.imgur.com/9T1kgIr.gif)

I'm off for a drink in Calne now, and I suggest you all do the same in your respective villages and towns. Enough politics and hatred. I it's all about the tits and ass from now.

And you don't think that that video has been made with any intention of political gain then? I started watching it and stopped when it announced that "white british people in London are now a minority". It also stated that the white British population in Birmingham was a minority, overtaken by muslims and that the refugee population in Germany was over 1 and a half million. All of it bullshit.

My guess is that some racist scumbag has put together a collection of various demonstrations throughout the world, much like the shite you see on the the Britain First Facebook page, and passed it off as refugees entering Europeen countries. Scaremongering, racist bollocks. The irony is that the vast majority of refugees are fleeing from the sort of people that you are trying to make out that they are.

It doesn't take long to debunk this sort of shit.....

http://www.snopes.com/2015/11/17/disturbing-muslim-refugee-video/

Chill out dude, you need some time out from your Zionist overlords

We're not buying the agitprop anymore

Cool man, the time is up for the fellows, the Mafiosi of speech

Scurry back under your rat hole

Remedial action is the least of concerns

Where is the nearest lampost because we have an overt cunt

What about straight women? :(

We certainly do.

I thought you were going down the pub?

god help us if Dosser has a smart phone

I hope he does, someone needs to have an IQ in his house.

I can't agree with Arriba enough

Agree, just deluded cunts.

Israelli Jews slaying Muslim children daily ?

As you have asked a question i can only asnwer with an "i don't know". So i'll pose the same question in reverse if you will. Palestininian muslims (as i'm, this is a wild guess, assuming you mean the Gazza region?) slaying jewish children daily? So let me be clear, my comment refers to all religions if you will, not one specific.

Anyway, panic over. The UN Security Council have condemned  IS.

That'll show 'em!

I provided a counter point to the one you endorsed. I thought you were referring to Muslims only which is what ironside stated.

Well we can end the debate now as Prince Charles has the answer..... it's all down to climate change, apparently.

And GM crops probably

He is turning into a loon like his old fella, just not as entertaining

We need to stop the aslanification of the UK, stop building Super Molluscs and put Brian First!

In fairness, super molluscs sound horrifying.

And having loads of Aslans roaming the country could be quite terrifying.

It's happening now! UK molluscs are a safe haven for IKEA!

Not quite as large, but there is a campaign to re-introduce the lynx to the UK....Scottish landowners do seem terrified.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/29/will-reintroduced-lynx-hunt-britains-sheep

We need to start arming ourselves with knives, baseball bats, etc. I don't leave the house unless I've got my tool out!

fB?

I do hope so.

I reckon it's Spacey.

I demand the right to carry a gun, our governments were supposed to protect us by ensuring the bad guys didn't enter the country. All I have to defend myself against and armed terrorist is a bunch of keys and some loose change, hardly a fair match when the shooting starts. Oh yeah all this trouble is thatcher's fault and her pikey Tory government.

I literally just spat beer all over my keyboard after reading the first 8 words of that.

Please tell me that's not supposed to be serious.

Guns are unreliable because the mechanisms, springs etc. jam up from non use. Could be useful to whack them over them over the head, but have you thought about a cricket bat or a 9 iron?

Spot on! I was on the bus the other day and I saw one of those emu kids reading the Kerrang. The danger is everywhere!

You guys may mock me but I'm serious, just wait till it happens in the UK, then all you bleeding heart liberals will be saying Where can I get a gun to defend myself.. The other option is to deploy the Army and arm every police office although there's not many of them left.

I'm not mocking you. There's a Jumanji John in every street!

Jumanji John

Magnifique

Still haven't seen our resident bandwagon jumper. I wonder if he'll bring his little flag out tomorrow?

Not got a mirror?

 :clap:

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :clap:

 :clap:

'Bleeding heart liberals' Whats the origin of that phrasing?

You can accuse Ironside of being many things, but I don't think he's a bandwagon jumper. The man was hateful long before it was cool.

Our country, our laws! Some areas of the UK are now operating under Shania Twain! Don't let extremists turn your town into an Islamic Sellotape!

 That don't impress me much.

I'm a very proud bleeding heart-er myself. Especially when you consider that Brian First is barely even an exaggeration:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZgtZCAQ.jpg)

From this moment on?

I'm glad to hear it! Some of the men coming over here from Serie A don't look like refugees to me!

And those Russians shouldn't be flying over Torquay either.

Also, those bloody foreign Star Wars fans chanting Admiral Akbar! Disgraceful.

This is now my new favourite thread :D

(The last 2 or 3 pages, anyway...)

Although I've yet to see it turn up on request, Alan's snackbar must be booming in Serie A.

I've just read Brian's posts to my girlfriend, who is now in serious need of some Tena Lady.

She's right to be worried! under Islam she'd be subject to FGM! I doubt she'd like a genetically modified vagina!

And don't forget they have to cover up incase they inflame male passions. Also stepping out late at night, alcohol, dancing, in public/with men. No right to refuse sex with their husband and so on and so on.

The beautiful moment when satire becomes life. Fantastic.

You're absolutely right! Our national identity is being eroded under an avalanche of mass irrigation and political erectness!

talking of which, that tory helper lass in Bassett looks a bit of a sort, shagging on a pool table indeed...

😊 Brian's a legend. He's probably related to Barry ( The Ginster Wrapper) who is sadly missed from this forum.

Click your limp-wristed cliques and carry on.

Nice one Ironslide! These lefties need putting in their plaice! They throw the word racist about but the word “racism” was invented by Communist market trader Del Trotsky to silence European opposition to multi-colourism!

Brian seems to have made the leap to twitter, although he's mis-spelled his name in the transition:

https://twitter.com/british_first/

Spacey making the news again 😄

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8655222?ir=UK+Tech&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

Bloody hell Britain's First parody social media accounts are becoming like a cottage industry now..

It's easy to just sit there and ridicule from your keyboard, (some of it quite amusing to be fair).

But what exactly do you propose doing about the very real threat from the Islamic extremist nut jobs ?
Or are you denying that it's real ?

Appease them I assume

Yes that's right, mocking Britain First and it's blatant idiotic racist contingent is exactly the same as saying "terrorism? Yes please!"

Forgive my naivety here - when you say "Britain first", is this an organisation, or are you having a go at people who put Britain first ?

If "Britain first" is like the BNP, then fair enough, deride it, but if it's just an attitude that you should do what needs to be done to look after your country and your way of life, then what's wrong with that ?

There is such a thing as co-operation (even enlightened self-interest if you prefer) and a universal shared humanity regardless of national boundaries

"putting Britain first" as advocated by many can seem isolationist and not necessarily in Britain's self interest.  Putting Britain "first" is above all too rigid and blind to the limitations of such an outlook. 

As a matter of interest would you regard refugees acquiring British citizenship as British?

https://www.britainfirst.org

Hth

What an odd organisation.  Sort of like making the Uk it's own version of Saudi Arabia.

For a severe Isolationist group they do take a lot of interest in world affairs though.

i love this bit



Bloody made up words. As opposed to umm..

Need Norman Tebbit's 'cricket' test. But the real question is whether refugees regard themselves as British - which I very much doubt.

They don't want to come here or Germany because they regard them as fine countries in which to live. They come cos it isn't Syria or wherever and they know we're a soft touch

Britain First was one of the several splinter groups formed by ex-BNP activists when the BNP went tits-up. It's every bit as unpleasant and racist as the BNP was, as you'd expect given it's all ex-BNP. Like our very own Ironside that you're such a fan of. It mainly specialises in clickbait memes on Facebook (usually along the lines of "We like poppies") so it can trick people into sharing and liking, and so pretend it's got more support than it really has, mosque invasions and sending a couple of van loads of dickheads into Asian areas to drink lager and smoke in front of people who look like they might be Muslim in the name of "Christian patrols". Oh, and they recently gravely upset Lee Rigby's family by continuing to use his image in their nasty racist propaganda despite repeated requests from the family for them not to do so.

So yes, it's very much like the BNP, and the BNP before it smartened itself up to pretend to be electorally acceptable.

...and the families of a couple of cadet schoolgirls selling poppies. A couple of BF thugs turned up and asked if they could have their photo taken with them and then posted the photo on the BF Facebook page claiming that they were "guarding the poppy-sellers from Islamists and Lefties". Horrible, racist, scum.

Brilliantly summed up by the great David Squires in the sixth panel of this  (http://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2015/nov/10/david-squires-on-football-and-remembrance-day)