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Is he a proper facking cant or what.

I'd love to chin the twat.

Is he the chap that said Haiti made a pact with the devil?

Your post does not need the following words:

is, he, or, what

That's the prick.

He also said that those who died in the mahoosive bush fires in Oz. died because they made a pact with the devil or something.

A despicable person, acting in the name of god.

And yet if he were a muslim saying this there'd be worldwide hysteria

Muslim's say stuff like this all the time Dave. All religion is fucked up

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Anyway, that's besides the point. It doesn't change the fact that this Robertson smeg cheese is a complete anus.

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Hi there.

First point - Absolute tosh
Second point - Agree 100%

See, I'm not that sure all religion is messed up: I've never seen, met or heard of a militant Buddhist. It just seems to be the Abrahamic faiths who get their knickers in a twist so regularly.

Any religion where people burn themselves as protest is fooked

I'd rather they burn themselves than other people mind.

Haha true!

Religion is for people who cannot use their own mind or form their own opinion.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I live in a Buddhist country and apart from them believing in ghosts and stuff (My misses can't sleep with the wardrobe doors open), you would not think that they had any religion whatsoever.

Actually, buddhism is not really considered a religion, rather a way of life after all buddha himself is considered to be nothing more than a mere mortal.

The while immature ghost believing thing can be very fucking frustrating at times, yet it can also be a great source of amusement to me that I shall never tire from.

I am a devout Pastafarian and belief in any other religion is quite frankly massively stupid, childish and naive.

Perhaps it is what you keep in the wardrobe that she finds disconcerting. Do you have any Hawaiian shirts or denim jackets?

There are millions...maybe billions of people who use religion in a respectfull way...to many people it gives them hope in a mad bad world...as usual our attention is drawn to a few crackpots...not the many who use religion in a good way.

You have a brilliant yet evil mind.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Call-Mobile-Number-Results-Death-t331592.html

The above thread is doing the rounds here in Thailand, it was even on the news.

And leefer, you are right.

For the most part religion is harmless, it is just those who take it too far who fuck it up for everybody else.

Yep...on a slightly different topic regarding Haiti fair play to Bill Clinton for all the hours and work hes putting in over there...not a great fan and i suppose you could be cynicle and say its good PR...but the fact is hes getting on abit and is doing good work in my opinion...

religion is purely there because of the fear of death.

Thats bollocks.I'm fairly religious yet don't go on about it.The problem is too many people are too quick to use religion as a easy cop out when doing something wrong and wont take no responsibility and the people who actually believe these terrorists believe they are doing for religion are just as stupid.

They do it because they are fucked up in the head and this bloke does it for a reaction.There are people who are genuinly religous who don't shove it in peoples faces and they genuinly just live a happy life because of it,what is wrong with that?

When i went through some real shit times i starting going to church a bit more i used my own mind to make that choice and it worked out so i would like to think i used my own mind Alan

Ah, thanks for clearing that one up arriba.

A quick search on google came up with two interesting articles on the subject...

Wink and Scott (2005) found no linear relations between religiousness and fear of death. Individuals who were "moderately religious" feared death more than individuals who scored high or low on religiousness. Fear of death also characterized participants who lacked congruence between belief in an afterlife and religious practices. In other words, the ones who were nominally religious were the ones who adopted religion as a buffer against the fear of death, and I think it's people like that who lead you (and many others) to draw the conclusion you have made. The article did find that the most religious people (whatever that actually means) had little fear of death, but that doesn't necessarily indicate that the fear was a cause of their faith.
http://psychsoc.gerontologyjournals.org/cgi/content/full/60/4/P207

Dr Steven Reiss's "sensitivity theory" is that sixteen basic human needs actually motivate people toward religious consideration. Some of the other motivations include power, family, status, romance, and tranquility, to name a few. Dr. Reiss says that these are “needs embraced by every person but to a different extent”.
www.acperesearch.net/OK_News4.pdf

I also found a site talking about terror management theory. Terror management theory suggests that almost everything we know of as “culture”--religion, patriotism, politics, sexual mores, economic values—arises out of our subconscious understanding of, and terror at, the fact that we are all going to expire one day.

I find it quite an interesting subject. Unfortunately, far too many people make their own minds up without looking for any evidence or giving any justification.

Doesn't surprise me at all.  I had a Thai friend who became a monk and changed his name because a ghost was haunting his ancestors.  And apparently this is quite common.

This post made me laugh....

Very interesting (and unexpected) thread!  Having 'Rev' before my name may undermine my credibility for many posters, but it seems there are two threads in  one here.
1)  Are there lunatics who get submerged in evil in this world - yes, without doubt, and sadly some of those use some weird sort of religious belief to justify their words and actions, but usually without any thing but a superficial connection to the belief system they claim to be rooted in.
2)  Is religious belief superstitious, dangerous rubbish, and all adherents inherently bad.  Well, I reckon we could come up with a lot more examples of 'religious' people who have made a positive contribution to the world than have done irreparable damage, though I would be the last one to pretend that 'The Church' (or any other religious institution has anything but a very tarnished history.

For what it's worth, I think Arriba is not far wrong - I would just widen it out a bit and say that religious belief (which is very ancient, and does persist even in this highly rationalist, technological world) is intimately related to humanity's determination to understand and explain life....and death (and most of the inexplicable things that happen in between!)  Whether the basic assumption of some sort of objective, creative, sustaining force exists, well no-one knows, either way; but the belief has produced both great good and great bad.

Your regular, non-preachy religious type is fine, and I believe some people gain sanctuary, peace and confidence in having their faith, and this shouldn't be seen as weakness or a bad thing.

I want to get into Buddhism, seems like a nice way to live, but I couldn't give up meat or beers.

One thing that I absolutely do not believe in is any form of organised religion in any of the scriptures, such as the bible or the Koran, that can be found today. I believe these books to be fiction or at best cast exaggerations which have been adopted and utilised for the politicians and priests at the time to exert their power over the population. It is all lies.

Whether or not there really is some kind of supreme being, or some kind of existence after death though is another matter entirely. It is possible that such things do exist but within the realms of science and not something that is more mystical.

Religion teaches you to live your life in serinity, honesty, kindness, thoughfullness. There is nothing wrong with those. What is wrong is people taking those views to extreme and not respecting others opinions as much as our own which is what the Bible teaches.

I certainly understand that view BR - as I said, religious institutions have throughout history fallen far short of the ideals they claim to believe (as has every other form of institution humanity has ever come up with).  I can only come up with the old cliche 'By their fruits you shall know them' (that's from the Bible by the way).  For every example of abuse of power, violent suppression, bullshit preaching from a religious person or organisation, I reckon we could balance with examples of solidarity, compassion, etc etc.

e.g.  I am involved up here with the Regional Emergency Planning, and was doing some training in the middle of the appalling flooding which hit Cumbria and parts of Scotland.  In Cockermouth, it was the churches that were at the heart of caring for the community, feeding them, and providing emotional and spiritual support; and people at the tarining event, not at all religious, were telling me of the key role that faith communities have played in many situations like that.  And a  senior police officer said, quite publicly, how significant both for victims and for emergency services, the arrival of a minister can be at the scene of a tragedy.  That's at the local scale.  I won't go on and preach!!!  But I reckon most people can see, for instance, in the Gospels a vision of how we might live our lives that is good, wholesome and yes, revolutionary....and that's why human beings, both 'religious' and 'non-religious', have such difficulty living  it successfully.

But do you like queers?

Can't quite get hold of that question.....human beings are human beings, and I'm not particularly interested in any other classification.  We all live with who we are.  If you are challenging me about the way the Church (generally) addresses the gay question, I do not agree with it - either ethically or in the consequent patronising and cruel way it treats gay people.

I think he was stating that religion only has a foothold because of the way in which it (when initially indoctrinating people) capitalised upon the myth of heaven and hell. I.e. If you believe in god and it doesn't exist, it's not a problem. However, if you don't believe and he does exist you burn in hell in unimaginable pain for all eternity. Not a hard choice.


"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."

Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics

INFIDEL! Take him to the city walls and stone him!

you could find a report to back up any arguement.fox hunting is kind,smoking is good for you etc,etc.my point still stands

people who are religious fear death less, as they think they will go on to a better place when they die.
take the deluded muslim bombers for instance.they have no fear of their crimes as they are doing it in the name of their god and expect to go on to a great eternal life.they wouldn't think that if they didn't have their deluded beliefs from the dark ages.when christians die the services are filled with lines about going to heaven and a better place.it comforts people.i'm sure this is why religion took off in the way it did,life after death and your faith seeing you alright no matter what you do would and will always gain followers.

Well, I don't know whether there is new life or not.....but if it all ends after 75, 85, 95 years, not even a pin-prick in the history of the universe, what's the point?  we might as well get what we can while we can  and to hell (or not!) with the rest of you....bit like Man city really.  ;D

I agree that people who are religious fear death less, and I do understand that religion does appeal to many in that it provides an answer to death. However, that doesn't mean that all people of some sort of faith choose it specifically to negate the fear of death, nor does it prove that all religion has arisen as a reponse to the fear of death.

Or political ideology. Or science, come to that. That really is a load of bollocks.

As is the simplistic argument that religion causes wars, nutters to do bad stuff etc. It's used as an excuse by nutters, warmongers, bigots and so on, but if they didn't have religion as an excuse they'd use politics. Or ethnic differences. Or whatever.

It's like saying some people fight at football = football causes fighting = all football fans are hooligans.

I think R4E's point was more that you're banging on as if what you said was a cut and dried fact on a subject that is completely individualistic (if thats a word) and subjective?

Very true. However, religion is perhaps the largest and most widely used/abused catalyst, so therefore that is their bandwagon of choice.

On a football related direction it's like the old, "where would we be without Simon Cox's goals?" argument. It's silly because we had Coxy and he did score all those goals.

We do have religion and we do have nutters. The fact that religion attracts a lot of nutters is perhaps indicative of blind-faith in its very nature? Regardless, if people want to believe let them. I just don't want them to preach to me and don't EVER want them to preach to children.

Like this you mean?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tfh2PnvTnY&feature=PlayList&p=EA550BF79356819E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5

No it isn't. It is about perverting the minds of children and making them feel guilty for the rest of their life for something that they haven't done. All religions are basically the same.

The 'morality' that religion preaches is superfluous to modern living. We have common law that makes the initiation of the use of force against a person or their property, or committing fraud, a crime and punishable. It is also the common ethics of the vast majority of people in the world. You will always get 5% of a population who are nutters (extremists, rapists, murderers, thieves etc) because humanity is not perfect and if sky fairies really did exist then why would they let that happen?

Take the Christian sky fairy. The bible was written by a bunch of drugged up monks in the Middle Ages. Twaddle.

And to DRS, I say that you can believe in anything that you want, it makes no difference to me. And so you should be free to do that. If it makes you happy, then even better. But for me, it's a load of evil bollocks that provides an excuse for the 5% to use for forcing their views and harm on others.

I'd suggest over the past century or so political ideology has easily surpassed religion as the "bandwagon of choice" - Hitler and Stalin alone account for over 20 million deaths

Your figure of 5% is way too high. Five nutters in every 100, never. Just because they follow religion doesn't make 5% of the worlds populations killers/extremists.

The Ten Commandments, can you name them? Still hold good today, even for a modern society.

And TT your comments are more of an extremist than some fanatical religious leaders. You are condemning those who do believe in God. So you could say causing conflict and extreme response, just what you are arguing about.

I think that they are only vehicles, Paul. At a more fundamental level it is power that attracts the evil and corrupt and allows them to be in a position to create such havoc.

Do any normal people on here want to have control over others? No, I thought not.

No, I'm not. As I replied to DRS, it has absolutely nothing to do with me what others believe. I am simply stating my opinion and my thoughts. I don't condemn anybody for their beliefs.

Others can disagree with me all they like, but I'm not the one with a bomb strapped to me blowing up innocent people, or stoning women for adultery. Or a catholic priest interfering with children.

I reckon it is about 5%. And you are confusing what I said - that 5% includes anybody who doesn't respect others or their property, I didn't say that they were all religious or murderers.

I can't name the Ten Commandments because it is irrelevant to my life. I can give you a good overview of the laws of the land though.

Sure, as with atrocities/wars/abuses committed "in the name of" religion or violence "in the name of" a football team. That was kind of my point. Religion isn't inherently "bad", any more than strongly held political beliefs or football, it's people who are bad. People should be banned.

As in 'bad people', then bloody hell, we agree  :eek:

Fuck me, I'll have to rethink that then :D

i agree with your point and have never thought otherwise.
i should have been clearer in my original post.
i believe religion came from the fear-thoughts-and the complete unknown to what happens when we die.it offered answers that people wanted to hear.i do believe many people become religious when the fear of their own death is a glaring reality also.likewise many are brainwashed from birth so know no different.
i also know many others become religious for all manner of reasons.

the 'is there a god' debate could go on forever, and cannot be won by anyone.i cannot prove there is no god and vice versa.
too many questions that cannot be answered with any sense means i'll never believe in any god though.i'm actually quite staggered that despite the mounting evidence of evolution and the proof of the millions of years it took for the world to evolve, that people still believe what they do.they keep changing the religions to suit what new evidence is found.they may not be bad people or have harmfull thoughts, but i think they are deluded.

I will have a bash at this. I bump into you in a pub one day and I say "Hey Arriba! How are you doing? I've got an invisible giant spider sitting on my head!".

Arriba: "Errrr right...are you sure?"
Alan: "Yes, I really believe it! It's awesome!"
Arriba: "Well can I touch it then?"
Alan: "Oh no, you can't feel it"
Arriba: "Ok. Does it smell of anything?"
Alan: "No, it's completely odourless"
Arriba: "Well does it make any noises?"
Alan: "No, never"
Arriba: "Well, can I go and get an infra-red camera and then will I see it?"
Alan: "Ha ha, no of course not, it's invisible at all wavelengths!"

This goes on like this for a while and I can offer absolutely no physical evidence for the existence of the spider. Eventually you will end up saying "well actually Alan, you can't prove to me that it is there and therefore it is not real".

In a world where physical reality and science is the truth, invisible spiders, leprechauns, ghosts and sky fairies are figments of people's imaginations and nothing more. The Romans and the Greeks had lots of gods. Did they retire?


Indeed. If religion is an absolute set of immovable principles handed down by a god then you can't change the rules because the situation has become embarrassing.

Hell, I'm going to have to try very hard not to preach a sermon!  Just got back in to find this column growing and growing, which says something in itself.  The debate continues to rage and that (for me anyway) is really good!

So....the existence of God - i.e. a creative force for good offering ultimate meaning and fulfilment to the world - cannot be proven.  Full stop.  And any 'believer' who claims otherwise is not being honest with him/herself, never mind anybody else.  The non-existence of God cannot be proven either, unless you still believe in the 'old man in the sky' concept of God, and many, many serious and distinguished scientists acknowledge that, and also acknowledge that it is extremely unlikely that human knowledge will ever fully embrace the final and ultimate truth of the universe.  Indeed many serioius scientists are also believers.

Where the two positions meet is in the idea of mystery - a cop-out maybe, but if it is, it is from both sides; there are many facets of human life which cannot be explained in scientific terms - and most can be summarised under the heading of 'good and evil', and encompass things like love, beauty, joy, faithfulness, cruelty, selfishness etc etc.  The ability of humanity to stretch both to the heights and the depths remains a mystery.  As does the amazing diversity and fragility of life and of the world generally.  I would argue that faith is most importantly about hope - hope that there is more than a world under the control of decidedly unsuitable human beings (including religious people!).  One of the most interesting atheists I know, Professor John Gray, writes that a world that can look forward to some sort of divine good is a lot more attractive prospect than a world which is totally under the control of human beings, as liberal humanists would claim.

But at the end of the day, we are never all going to agree, so a quote from another atheist scientist, the late Sir Arthur Keith, who wrote about fellow atheistic scientists  (and whom I would quote to my more aggressive co-religionists:  "Many of them are militant.  'Is it not the duty of everyone' they demand,'to fight for truth and destroy error - in season and out of season?' On such occasions, I am a pacifist.  I hold that truth has to make its way in its own right without browbeating.  A forced truth, like a forced peace, has no enduring value."

End of sermon

As sermons go, that was an interesting one, HR.  I wouldn't count myself as hugely religious, but I do believe and accept that there is a great deal out there that we cannot explain rationally through the use of science alone.  And I speak as a science graduate with (at best) a weak religious conviction.

I think it is profoundly misguided to assume that right now, in January 2010, we have reached a point where scientific advances can once and for all discount the possibility of there being a God (or anything else that we can't see, touch or understand).  In as little as 100 years from now, our knowledge and way of life will probably seem antiquated and primitive to our descendents...so a little humility about what we don't know is probably no bad thing.

Science even struggles, on its own, to answer a question as simple and fundamental as 'Where did the Earth come from?'  You can take things back as far as the micro-seconds that immediately followed the Big Bang, but what about before that?  What caused the Big Bang?  I don't think anyone really knows...and I'm not sure they ever will.  I'm playing devil's advocate here to a certain extent - and I certainly don't buy the Genesis account either - but do want to make the point that before anyone dismisses anyone else's views as hokum or fairytale, you need to be fairly sure of the ground you're standing on.

Just wait until the LHC really gets going.

A cop out indeed, HR. It's just more mysticism and reference to ethereal entities like the "truth".

Sorry, I don't buy any of it. I don't need hope, I want rational solutions to the problems of the evil and corrupt of the world hurting the moderate and human.

I've just looked up the Ten Commandments - most of them would fit in with general decency - in fact the only one I would take issue with is number 1:I am the Lord your God.

I don't need to be told by some almighty being that killing people or fucking my neighbour's wife is wrong.

Each to their own, but for me its science over some beardy bloke who lives on a cloud any day.

I hate Science...beardy blokes spouting bollox usually.

I have seen your neighbour's wife. I would.

Here's the thing though, you can chose which religion or faith to believe in or not. So what if it has rules or moral values that the person will follow? That doesn't make them unable to make up their own mind any less than someone who chooses to obey the law.

Well I think it does. If the christian faith in the middle ages said that you must kill all of the arab non-believers or if Sharia faith says that you must stone women who have been raped then that is what you do. It doesn't involve thought. It is all down to conditioning.

Faith is a dogma that can be at odds with the law. Law is black and white. And in this country the common law is there (or used to be there) to protect the majority of people who wanted to co-exist peacefully. You can't decide that you don't like the law without ending up in prison. Meh. So let us have Sharia "law" then? No, that's not law, that is an extension of faith that bashes down the barriers of common law and non-agression.

There is a huge gulf between faith and law.

If jesus is so good why is he dead?

Hmmmm???

meant to be coming back aint he?
i wont be holding my breath

I know of Muslim people who have had alcohol before even though they're not supposed to. My mate on the other hand has neevr touched a drop. That's an associated lifestyle rule he follows due to his religion. Nobody tells him to go stoning people to death. Religion doesn't have to be about that.

Religion and faith is often a way of life but ultimately the decisions rest with the person. They can chose not to follow the ideals if they want to, unlike an enforced legal system and set of laws.

Then it is just a preference, not a moral or ethical absolute.

I can prefer oranges to apples, or doughnuts to muffins, or blue to green. That's personal choice and not ethics.

Which just goes to show how loose and rubbish religion is. Pick the bits that suit you the best. Ignore the rest.

Again, laws (or common morals) are not like that. Thankfully.

Not really, if they were true devout Muslim they wouldn't drink. But people make mistakes. If they want to practice their Islamic faith they can refrain from drinking, if not then they have the choice.

What I would say is that Muslim families take it all very seriously. If in my example the parent found out the offspring would get a serious bollocking.

Quite clearly religion has and will be used for other darker purposes to control people, but it's not always about that. These nutters get the press attention because it's not exciting to write about the church going lady from next door who knitted a cardigan. I'd go as far to say that society ios indoctrinated by the media more than religion. Far more.

Good luck with that one. If you're holding out for it, you might be better switching sides and hanging on for the second coming instead, it's probably more likely

Our society is. Like most western 'democracies' (read corporatist state controlled). But others around the world listen to the Rabbis or the Mullahs or the Christian right wing or the Pope more than the media.

Indoctrination is rife, the medium or belief is irrelevant.

Think for yourself using reason, intelligence and judgment. Stick with basic non-agression principles and you see what a load of old tosh the ranting wankers spout.

I'm not holding out for it in my lifetime. It won't happen. But I think that it will in future generations, because humanity will come to realise that war and death and violence is not inevitable and can be countered by rational thought, morals ethics and ideals.

And I will happily bang on about it until I pop off to anybody that has an open mind.

Bang on.

Hear, hear!  That was the point of my last post - at the end of the day, open minds, on all sides, are what matter.  And there are far too many closed minds in religious communities, as there are among atheists.  Richard Dawkins has about as open a mind as the worst religious fanatic, but as Sie Pie said, the media love to pitch extremists against each other and then pretend that they represent 'normality'.

And....most belief systems are not primarily about imposing sets of moral values on anyone.  I know that is how it appears, both historically and in the present, but actually, the key issue (in Christianity) is the question of what God is like, and given the nature of God, how we appropriately respond.  And the spin-off from that (on-going) debate is that we therefore should behave in particular ways with those around us.  If you look at the stories of Jesus in the Bible, you will find that his fiercest words are aimed at the religious establishment for their corruption, hypocrisy, and lack of concern for justice for people, which is, he argues, completely contrary to the nature of God.  There is little if anything which challenges non-believers, though there is always invitation to all people - revolutionary in that society, because the Jewish religion of the time was completely exclusivist, and therefore also contrary to the nature of God.


So open-mindedness lies at the heart of good religion.  Sadly, as someone pointed out earlier in this discussion, its people who bugger it all up.

So what would the ten commandments be about then?

I don't think that's the main focus of The Bible.

I doubt if many people want any more sermons from me, and even less, a critical account of the Bible and how it came into being - but actually in order to understand the Bible (as with any book) it is quite important to know a bit about its background; so all I would say is that, apart from the first two, the Commandments are nothing revolutionary for any society, and that's the point.  There is lots of stuff in the early books which take old stories and old laws that were generally known and used right across the board, and repeat them (so making the point that the Israelites were not excused from the basic laws of society) but given a gloss which related to their particular understanding fo their relationship with God.

do you believe in adam and eve, and the world being created in 7 days?
also, all that is written in the old testiment?

I hope this is an adequate summary...

The 10 Commandments are not a set of rules designed for us to follow to get to heaven. It is widely recognised in the Christian community that noboday has, does or will ever live up to the teachings of the Commandments. Except Jesus.

If people were supposed to follow the Commandments to get into heaven, Israel would not have had a sacrificial system. Nor would it have had high priests to mediate between the people and their God, as there would be no divide. Nor would Jesus have gained any great credibility for his lifestyle, for his teaching, or for his death. None of them would have been necessary. The Commandments were designed to lead us to understand a need for Jesus' self-sacrifice. The Bible tells us to apply teachings about obedience to God and love towards our neighbour to our own lives in response to the sacrifice He made as an attonement for our own inability to fulfil the Commandments.

Wow....I'm not going to follow Reeves....its too late; but arriba asked if I believed in Adam and eve etc...

The short answer is, if you mean by that, do I believe that to be a historical account of how the world came into being, and literally the first human beings lived, No.  Absolutely not, and nor do the vast majority of Christians today.  They are myths, myths that were circulating very widely in the world of those days (whatever the date of Genesis is!), as was a story of a great flood.  Myths are more than legends, but less than 'historical truth' - they are stories which in a symbolic way tell us something deeper about a subject.  I am perfectly at ease talking about the Creation Myth.
As for the Old Testament as a whole, as i said before, it is really important to understand what it is - a diverse range of documents which include poetry, sermons, wise sayings, laws and a bit of historical stuff too.  They tell a story of the struggle of a people who believe they have been called into a special relationship with God, but just like today, keep on failing to live up to what God hopes from them.  I think that, whilst we live in a very different world, with a great deal more knowledge and much less credulity, the OT still tells us a lot about the human condition, and while books like Leviticus and Numbers are almost incomprehensible to us, they are an integral part of the story, and help us to understand how and why the story turned out the way it did, even into the time of Jesus and beyond.

Playboy is a better read and it has good pictures as well.

You shouldn't be so harsh on your posts, but you're probably right  ;D

I'm atheist and proud - shit happens, get on with it without wondering which cosmic alien is testing your faith.

Threads like this are hilarious. Discussing your religous (Or lack of religous) beliefs as though anyone really gives a fuck what YOU think is pretty stupid.

As long as other peoples beliefs don't encroach on how I live my life I really don't care what their belief system is.

Most people who align themselves to a particular religion aren't fanatics trying to kill or subject their views on others, they're people who take something from their beliefs to enrich their lives. Why do people have a problem with that? Every thread on here about a fanatic(s) always ends up in a 'debate' on religion in general, with the same loud mouthed, opinionated twats offering their views as if they add something to a topic which has clear sides: you either believe in a religion, or you don't. Talk Talk giving his insightful views on why religion is rubbish isn't going to get any Christians denouncing Jesus, just as Reeves4englands faith isn't going to change an atheists mind.

Live and let live people.


Apart from Mormons. All Mormons should be destroyed.

Actually you're wrong, I read this thread and was Born Again, joined a Choir and put some Nails through my Hands.

Fair play.

I retract my previous post.

Apart from the bit about destroying mormons.

Or every thread ends up with some loud mouthed opinionated twat telling everybody else that they shouldn't express their opinions.

I put a hex key through my hand yesterday. It hurt.

I just got back from church.Father Jeremy said you was a cunt Alan

he's a ledge drs.his singing is hilarious.

Hahaha you noticed that too Arriba.Nice bloke to be fair though i actually think he is God

he's a pleasant enough bloke.friendly, and seems very commited and genuine.
my mrs family go to his church, and my daughter is at the local school.

Ah she is at the same school as my daughter then.We should meet up for some bread and wine

I will pop along with some stones and some water and see if your Father Jeremy can do the conversion for me so I can join in Dean.

 ;D

That'll make it easier to stone you, then. Heretic!

Opinions are fine. Belittling other peoples beliefs for no good reason is pathetic.

Quite.

Hoisted by my own petard!

I stand by my previous comments (On this thread and the ones you quoted above)

nan bread and chardonnay i presume?

Of course none of that religious shit