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Protests if the takeover is still not done?
If the numbers aren't there then, then they never will be.

Wouldn't waste my time unless something was formally organised.

True. Don't think people can be bothered anymore....?

Will we have a club Saturday?

Well the protest march was only postponed not ruled out forever.

Anyone want to buy my season ticket off me  :(  I really can't be arsed anymore.

Judging from the amount of people that turned up to the organisation meeting, I doubt it would generate the interest. The weather's shitter this time of year as well.

I think we should do the magic roundabout thing again.... :mrgreen:

Have you tried Toni?

the trust board fucked up big time regarding the protests imo.i'm sure they regret their decision now.

I'd rather just wipe my arse with it than let her have it  :mrgreen:

Probably a good market on ebay for that sort of thing ;)

Has anyone tried Toni yet, I have been waiting for an update on who was first poster from here to give her one!!! :wink:

I didn't wanna say anything but...... :soapy tit wank:

I didn't wanna say anything but...... :soapy tit wank:

fatbury has her locked up :wink:

Fucking hell this forum is depressing  :|

I hate to say it but Arriba is spot on here.  Postponing the march was a very bad call, completely knocked the stuffing out of any future protests.

The momentum was there and in one statement it was lost.

I'm sorry but that's bollocks. Any protest was always going to be focused on behind the stand after the game, not a march beforehand.

I'm afraid I think you're wrong Paul.The back down of all the before the game stuff most definitly effected the after game protest.All momentum was lost the minute you released that statement.I understand the reasons and you were caught between a rock and a hard place.Could we get people interested in protests again? I dont think so,I can't even motivate myself for it.

 :|

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH. thats all.

Fancy a sit in protest at KFC Birdy?

I doubt many will turn up saturday, no one seems to give a fuck anymore....

and I'm certainly not paying best part of 15 quid to watch a non league team, fuck that.

When I was at Leeds trying to sober up after the lunchtime bevvies, I heard 1700 people singing "we'll never die, we'll never die" so bloody loud it drowned out 27000 Leeds fans.  That's why I'll be there on Saturday. Respect to those who've had enough, but I reckon a few days to let the disappointment filter through the system and we'll all be back there wanting the best for the club.

i won't stop going, i've paid for it already and i still enjoy my saturdays.

I think I'm going on Saturday....not booked a ticket yet though. Not exactly going to sell out though!

Dont think I can be fucked,Id go if I was off but im not and football requires effort under these circumstances.

hindsight is a glorious thing :(

i think people will have gone past the anger stage by saturday and reached the apathy/can't be fucked stage.

I think I have to agree with you my brother. You know when you're bored at work and you load up solitaire? Well the trust were in one of those situations where all the starting cards are red and none of them are Aces. As an official organisation they were limited by what they could formally back. Camping on the Magic was apparently a no go, and a march was never going to happen with the apathy and only a few days.

Maybe if they'd gone full out on the march and started somewhere really close to the ground at 2.45pm it might have happened. But if it hadn't worked then it would have left any future protests even worse off than they are now.

Oh fuck off Sonic.

Arriba's post isn't hindsight. He said it at the time and he is just reiterating it.

put down the beer and step away from the keyboard alan, you know you want to.

i said the same thing as arriba at the time.

As did I. Do you disagree with what I said Alan?

I've got my ticket for Saturday  :D

I used to have respect for you Alan, but you never came back. That's not like the old you.

Saturday is too late if the rumours concerning the FL are true.

If the debts aren't cleared by Friday we're fucked.....................

I think my new avatar says it all really.

Prefer mine John! But then I'm more optimistic :wink:

we will know by Saturday one way or another

I said this yesterday and ill say it again today


This is going to turn fucking nasty

SOMEBODY SAY WHERE THIS STUFF REGARDING 1/12/07 BEING A DATE FOR FOOTBALL LEAGUE ACTION (ie 10 / 15 points) HAS COME FROM FFS

You are all just repearting it as gospel, despite it not being stated anywhere, by anyone, as far as I can see.

by all means I'll shut up and agree that the club is screwed if it is the case

To be honest Ben, that single post above is the closest I have come to caring in the last month.

I really can't be fucked with it any more. We had an opportunity to do something about this bunch of cunts a month ago and we let them off because a certain (now departed) manager cared so much about the club (ha!) that it was taken hook line and sinker.

Now we have gone round the loop once again.

We are completely and utterly shagged.

Spot on Alan.

What Fred said as well.

 :goodpost:

thats whats killed us, too many people just dont give a fuck

thats the truth ... HOWEVER ...

even if EVERYONE had protested they still wouldnt have listened .. sad but true

if we had 3000 people on their backs instead of 300, something would of been done by now im certain

me too Dave, the only thing that would motivate these people I think was if MD got caught shagging the queen

I think I just annoyed one of my Swindon Town colleagues by saying "the problem is too many Swindon fans don't give a f***.  They're happy just to turn up every week, when in truth if it carries on like it is now there will be no club to support".

The Borough of Swindon
Home of the A-pathetic.

I think you are only stating what we all know and fully agree with Jan.

Something has to be done.
Same as Cheltenham imo.
Bar Mex and Yeovil :D

That's not fair mate, I've not attended any protests and you know me well enough to know where I stand.

I don't attend these protests but that's not through apathy, if it was well drilled and organised, with a strong turnout expected of course I'd be there. That's never how it is though.

Wasn't trying to personalise it Dave, but the view that you hold puts you firmly in the minority mate.

Ive been out and done the fucking leg work trying to get people interested in peaceful protests

Believe me mate.................they dont give a fuck

I agree with Dave.

Don't confuse apathy with lack of awareness and good organisation.

The Cheltenham Protests were pretty good. The problem with the "organised "protests the following week was that thereasons were taken away by the announcement of the Fitton Deal.
I do however think that the time has come. IF the fitton dealm has Not been done by Sat we need to hit them hard with all out protests. Even the most gullible of us must now realise that the current lot have to sell now.

Apathy ?

Thing is Phil will they? The adver states Wills may have raised the fudning to retain control- in this case we are stuck with them again for another x years lurching from crisis to crisis.

As i've posted on another thread. This was on a comment from the EA site.

anyone who thinks it's feasible to "organise" a bunch of random swindon fans with limited means of communication is naive.

the official site is probably the only way we'd reach the highest proportion of town fans and even then it's probably less than half the attendance on a saturday.

The adver is the only way we'd reach a high proportion of town fans. It's been shown that you can't organise things on message boards.

Those people who say they dont turn up because there is no organisation are just spineless in my opinion. Afraid to stick out.

Everyone one step forward.

Im bringing my pitch fork saturday if they aint gone.

Well mind if i join in spencer enoughs enough im afraid :roll:

Two things:

1. Organisation and awareness are everything. For example, the Orange Campaign worked very well and had a direct effect on the board. Most of the people who took orange hats knew what they symbolised and wore them because of a strong media and leaflet push. Oh and how can you miss a blimp?

2. If Fitton is definitely out by Saturday then there is zero point protesting. What would we be protesting for? There is no alternative to the current board.  The last two sets of protests were aimed at getting them to sell to Power or BEST. But now there is nobody lined up. It would just be a hate show and they can close the curtains and laugh. Yeah, great for venting the spleen but what would we hope to achieve?

t would just be a hate show and they can close the curtains and laugh. Yeah, great for venting the spleen but what would we hope to achieve?

we could always give them a  :twak:

...on that note Alan, what is Bill Power up to these days? how is his lawsuite against the club going. Do the Fans Consortium still exist?

Good point.

That of course is still the only other alternative to going tits up if Fitton pulls out.

The last time I attended a Trust meeting Phil and Bill were still waiting in the wings. But I have been out of the loop for a month.

PS if Fitton does take control then there's no point protesting either, obviously.

we need to all get in the Arkells on Saturday, singing sack the board from the town end  will achieve nothing. 90 minutes of abuse is what they need, also arrange for media again like the cheltenham game, remember the BBC will be their for the highlights. These crooks need to be exposed for what they are.

Good luck with that. All 40 of you.

A COMPLETE BOYCOTT IS THE ONLY WORTHWHILE PROTEST

and you suggest what Alan

You have already said you dont give a fuck anymore, you have resigned from the Trust.

I dont get what point you are trying to make

8)

exactly the reason why we are in this mess, apathy. These tumours need to see the hatred in the whites of our eyes up close and personal it is the only way.

Fred, what I am saying is that you are all wasting your time. The moment(s) for action have passed. It is too late.

The last gasp is Fitton. Or as an outside runner Power.

I don't "give a fuck any more" about the 'politics' and resigned from the Trust because I can't see that organisation making sod all difference to anything.

That doesn't mean I don't care about STFC, of course I do. I want to be able to pay and go to a home match for the first time in six months.

In my eyes this will go one of two ways. Down the shitter - and pretty soon too - or sold for a quid to some unspecified asset stripper when Wills Snr realises that he is facing criminal charges or bankruptcy.

Agreed time to act swiftly :roll:

Ok lets do nothing, watch our club dissolve and thats the end of it.


Easy option, every fucking time.

Agreed Alan. However, protests can't do any harm.

I won't be joining in for the reasons you stated though.

Fucking great

Easy option

Ill wave to you across the forums every once in a while

I don't think they'll make any difference and I doubt we'll get any significant numbers, but I'm going to try anyway.

from what you and others are saying, its too late now anyway - its a lost cause...

Yeah like Si or myself or Rich have been taking the easy option for the past year when it comes to protesting or activism.

Get Real, to quote a former user name.

I can't be bothered to argue. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Its not a waste of time. Even if it doesn;t acheive anything its the best we can do, and for that reason i'll be their, because i wouldn't be able to face myself if we did go bust and i just sat back and watched it happen.

Most people have missed a protest since they've been going on.

Bye


Jeeesh

I'm sure we've all missed a protest in our time. This potential one will be no more or less important.

I've come to the sad conclusion that even if the Bailifs were being recorded live turning up to the ground before kick off you'd still not muster up the interest of Mr Average STFC fan.  You'd still get 80% of the people looking non plussed by it all and from time to time one or two might mutter something about the need to just support the team as that's their job.

Not enough passion I'm afraid (present company apart).

have to agree bobt...altho i think its more like 95% imho

Anyways it shouldn't put off people who want to protest and I doubt it will. If anyone gets anything proper organised then fair play.

Protests are useful. Look at the coverage the last major one got (after Cheltenham).

If I was able to be there, then I would protest regardless of wether or not it I thought it would make an impact, I am angry and that for me is reason enough.

Would be a good time to do it, FA cup season ticket holders don't need to go.  But some people won't do it, therefore having 50 people outside the ground won't work.

I'm really lost for ideas now.

same here.

If staring into the financial abyss, having months of varying protests, increasing criticism on forums, increasingly hostile media etc doesn't bring home the message then I don't see how more of the same is going to change matters.

The only things that will talk now are money, or very very very very direct action on one person.  The sort that I wouldn't post about or get involved in.  Can't see the 2nd happening anytime soon and the first is beyond our influence right now.

i have a plan

as we now need floodlights by half-time, lets get the 2nd half delayed by 'pullin the plug' on them, then staging a protest on the pitch-stylie??  

who's in?? I'll bring the wire-cutters  :)

You could be onto something actually, letters, protest and boycotts wont work, so what about sabotage instead? Sure it's risky but 1/2 an idea maybe (I don't necessarilly mean the floodlights of course)

While there is still a club to fight for I will attend a protest irrespective if the "self appointed professional strategists" deem it futile. For some on here it seems more like a tussle over inflated egos rather than standing up for what is right despite the odds being stacked against you.

It seems some fans only want to be part of a large protest with a guaranteed outcome. Unfortunately if you added to the numbers instead or reading about them in the adver then attendances would have been higher.

Has Diamandis given up despite his past record and future issues. You bet he hasn't, and as proud Swindon fans neither should we. I won't be beaten into silence or non attendance by him or others who have given up. I'd would prefer to protest and lose than sit in the pub and say I told you it wouldn't work.

 :toppost:

Cant say any more than that really !

All this bitching looks like people trying to out busy-body each other anyway. There is no right or wrong answer. If there was, it wouldn't have come to this.

All this bitching looks like people trying to out busy-body each other anyway. There is no right or wrong answer. If there was, it wouldn't have come to this.

i don't really see the points being made as bitching tbh

Well I do so nuh  8)

I'm not suggesting all action is futile, I just think a level of reality in expectation needs to be made.  Most fans don't give a shit but I did suggest Mr Average STFC fan probably doesn't reside on here anyway.

If you want to do something that will make an impact, then I'm afraid it has to be some form of action being described by others on here, the sort that most will say "I won't condone that sort of action".

Turn up on Mikes front garden

Force some sort of problem at the ground for the clubs Exec bunch

Interrupt the match itself

Invade the pitch

Storm the Board room

These are the things that the person causing the problem might have to listen to and be worried by, but they are the sort of thing 99% of the people on here would not do.  I certainly couldn't claim I'd do any of them.

We are talking the sort of things that are wrong to do, the sort of things we might just have to say are beyond our love of the club etc

Dunno, just ramblin I guess.

from thisis (sometimes little nuggets can be found), the sort of thing I mean and a very passionately worded post:

just a thought/purely hypothetical/shoot me down if you like/say thats never gonna happen but....

IF we are to survive but had to relocate, for instance to the 'nam to do it, would folk be 'happy' on the basis that we still had a club to support?

i ddoubt i'd travel to chippenham for footy. i'd probably just watch supermarine now and then.

i don't understand the argument that protests aren't worthwhile. even if they weren't, what's the problem with at least trying? i'd rather waste my time on futile efforts than sit idly and watch things unravel.

I disagree with that. Most fans do give a shit, of course they do it's their club as well as yours and mine.

The problem is the same as it's been from the start, getting information out. The Club can come out in the Adver, on the OS and in the local tv media. What can we do? If the Trust say something the club counter by saying that the Trust is a minority of supporters and then proceed to dismiss them as busybodies, or out for their own agenda. Most fans will swallow this.

Exactly.

Kingston Robin from myonlyswindon.com basically shows what the average head-in-the-sand supporter is like.

Absolutely spot on there mate.

If we get a message out and at least give it a go, then if the worst does happen at least we tried. If we went under and I'd not done anything I'd be forever kicking myself.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: he's my best friend, he fucking loves me

I think all fair points.

Kingston 'everything's going to be fine, because Bob said so' Robin.

Bless him.  :D

 :D The little spats you have with him make for great reading.

He's possibly the most annoying poster ever though as he seems to think that football manager games are reality and if it doesn't appear on the official site then it isn't real. He also has this superiority complex with us still think we are a big club which confuses me to be honest......the worrying thing is that he has a kid  :o

:shock:

Had him down for an Oxford/Reading wind-up merchant for ages until I read he'd met up with quite a few people before the Millwall game.

Some of the stuff he comes out with utterly beggars belief at times. He keeps the place interesting though to be fair.

Just an aside. Wouldn't a protest be better BEFORE Saturday?

That post sums up my feelings as well. Reading through this forum late tonight it seems to me that one or two plastics would rather have a dick-waving contest majoring on 'I Told You So' politics rather than rally round and support SOME sort of action against a corrupt board that has piled misery on us fans.

Granted, Sturrock backed the board when the last protests looked like having an effect. The trust were cunts for falling for his 'this is the last time I'll get involved, but I'm going to back (the wankers) anyway'. They bottled it in favour of not upsetting sturrock but ultimately shot a big fuckoff hole in the protests. Forgive my ignorance though, but why does anyone need the approval of a load of STFC plastics (or the fucking trust) to protest against the cunts in charge? I honestly don't get it; Is the systematic destruction of the club over the last decade or so not enough to prompt a final, if ultimately futile, effort to get Fitton in and to rid ourselves of the cunts that are ultimately responsible for the crock of shit that we're in?

for fucks sake you cunt say what you really fucking think.

Agree with the sentiments to a large degree delta, but I think it's a bit harsh calling people plastics because they're worn down by the whole thing. That said, while I can understand the "here we go again, what's the point" frustration but one way of guaranteeing any protest has no effect is to not bother turning up because you're fed up of it all.

Don't pussy out paul. Fight him. Fight him like you would fox hunters and people who eat veal topped with foie gras. You big lefty nazi.

Nah, I'm a lover not a fighter. And I'm not great at that  :oops:

Oh and delta. Of course there is going to be a bit of dick waving on here. It's an internet forum, which means the only thing you've got to identify your posts are your avatar, your name and what ever crazy stuff you put up in that box to the right of them.

If our average supporter was like KingstonRobin I would take a machine gun into the Town End.

The plastics jibe was aimed at one or two who gave it large on here when the protests happened before but were oh so quick to stick the boot in yesterday when someone mentioned having another go. Seems like they're more interested in taking the I-told-you-so moral high ground, rather than fighting the cunts in the boardroom.

I fucking hate Plastics. No history, just fucking talk bollocks all the time.

quote="Si Pie"]Just an aside. Wouldn't a protest be better BEFORE Saturday?[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking. If it is all left until Saturday, although it may not be pointless, it could be too late to influence the situation. If the purpose of any action is to give the takeover (and possible boardroom changes) as much support and impetus as possible it needs to start now. Small actions swelling into the main event on Saturday, which could be a celebration or protest as appropriate.

It seems easy enough for roundabouts to be "postered" for someone's 40th birthday. How about "SAVE OUR SWINDON" coupled with "FITTON BY FRIDAY" posters?
The same messages can be painted on sheets and hung in or out of windows, draped in high traffic areas or made up as flags/banners carried on cars and vans.
If sheets can't be painted something red, preferably with MD or BH or SG etc written on it, could be displayed throughout the town. Windows, doors, front gardens, shops, offices, lamposts - just as many as possible. "Red card for the board"?
The magic roundabout and maybe somewhere at the top of town (near The Adver and BBC Wilts offices?) might benefit from a large sign, on a car roof, displaying "IF YOU WANT FITTON IN - HOOT YOUR HORN." Even if it only gets a few toots it may be reported as an exclusive "STFC IN TOWN CENTRE BLAST SHOCK!"

Throughout the fanbase there are people with media contacts who may be able get the information out. Perhaps an open appeal to the people of Swindon asking them to support the actions above in some way could be published and/or broadcast. Those of us away from Swindon perhaps still have family and friends in town and can call on their support.

Others may come up with alternative or better ideas but the important thing is to get started before it is too late. Also, boycott if you must but the more there are at the CG on Saturday the louder will be the celebration/protest.

IMO the only protest that will happen will be behind the arkells. The magic roundabout idea never worked- most people want to go to the pub!

That was then! This is now. Do "a Swindon" if you must and whinge about it when it's all gone wrong or try and change the habits of a lifetime and do something positive.

You could start by asking the pub landlords to display the SOS/FBF posters.

See if anyone remembers the show ...

Or see if anyone remembers the time when instead of contributing something constructive or getting physically involved people either sat at their PC's taking the piss or going to the pub and drinking it instead. Just a few days before the complete takeover by apathy.

If there are any better ideas out there share them.

Bit of a cunt, then?

9 pages and no solution, i will be the cunt shouting up at the window again like was the other day .

don't swear!

Exactly what I was thinking. If it is all left until Saturday, although it may not be pointless, it could be too late to influence the situation. If the purpose of any action is to give the takeover (and possible boardroom changes) as much support and impetus as possible it needs to start now. Small actions swelling into the main event on Saturday, which could be a celebration or protest as appropriate.

It seems easy enough for roundabouts to be "postered" for someone's 40th birthday. How about "SAVE OUR SWINDON" coupled with "FITTON BY FRIDAY" posters?
The same messages can be painted on sheets and hung in or out of windows, draped in high traffic areas or made up as flags/banners carried on cars and vans.
If sheets can't be painted something red, preferably with MD or BH or SG etc written on it, could be displayed throughout the town. Windows, doors, front gardens, shops, offices, lamposts - just as many as possible. "Red card for the board"?
The magic roundabout and maybe somewhere at the top of town (near The Adver and BBC Wilts offices?) might benefit from a large sign, on a car roof, displaying "IF YOU WANT FITTON IN - HOOT YOUR HORN." Even if it only gets a few toots it may be reported as an exclusive "STFC IN TOWN CENTRE BLAST SHOCK!"

Throughout the fanbase there are people with media contacts who may be able get the information out. Perhaps an open appeal to the people of Swindon asking them to support the actions above in some way could be published and/or broadcast. Those of us away from Swindon perhaps still have family and friends in town and can call on their support.

Others may come up with alternative or better ideas but the important thing is to get started before it is too late. Also, boycott if you must but the more there are at the CG on Saturday the louder will be the celebration/protest.[/quote]

I am sorry but I just cannot get the Advertisers apparent loath to actually publicise the situation we are in?

They have been dropped by the club, but still print any old shite that Bob gives them.

It is likley that many supporters only get their info from the paper and thus do not realise the precarious position their club is in!

Fuck off

Classic

bloody rimmer and his peaceful ways.

i think the momentum is well and truely back for protests to be effective.whether saturday will, i dont know(poor numbers ect)
but the only reason the protests fell flat on their arses last time,was at sturrocks request.he's fucked off so who is there to upset that matters?
i also think the comments regarding most people as not caring are totally inaccurate.just because the majority dont protest doesn't mean they dont care for stfc.if they didn't care why would they attend games.
and delta's plastic swipes were equally daft, as people that have strong opinions and have have disagreed are not necessarily plastic!if they have an opinion on stfc and genuinely care(which i dont think is questionable)then plastic they aint!

i'd also like to ask how people think the protests were so succesfull last time?
yes. it got some page space and got on local tv news but what did it acheive? imo nothing!
so i'd say if protests are going to happen then change strategy and go for something different. not the shouting behind the arkells,screaming abuse at the directors box stuff that had minimal effect.

if done right, numbers could exceed the last lots by loads, as sturrock aint here and that put people off last time

Come on then arriba, what ideas have you got?

Good post arriba

agree totally

i think the cheltenham protests were successful to a degree, it spawned plenty of local coverage and raised awareness. i don't think anyone thought that the protests would immediately result in the resignations of the board members or anything similar - how would you define success?

Err James, that hasn't been discussed in public yet.

Remove please squire...

i think the reality is only money will do anything to save stfc from the current lot and all the protests we could dream up wont really acheive anything exept to highlight our plight.
so momentum yes,results who knows?
but i dont blame anyone for trying.desperate times and all that....
a peacefull well organised march is the best way to protest imo as it wont get negative press and couldn't get board members and the public calling it intimdating,yobbo's etc

it's been on here already

My dad is quite concerned about us going under, but is in no way inclined to protest. This annoyed me last night, and i ended up questioning his sexuality.

Must've missed that then. Even still though, element of surprise and all that.

I do agree with a few people who have said that to get the full attention of the media and to cause a stir a few hundred people or more need to go onto the pitch either before the game or at half time, this would delay the game slightly, they are not going to arrest hundreds of people, this would really grab the attention of sky sports news, bbc etc especially when the bbc are going to be there on saturday, but i know a lot of people won't be up for doing this incase they are banned, however it is a great thing to do to get the attention we need, shouting behind the arkells has little effect on the board, we need to put them under alot more pressure to make them crack.

More secrets then yeah

Secrets which are obviously going to get the masses interested in whats going on  :?

FWIW I think the only way you will get "Mr/Mrs/Ms Average STFC fan" involved is to organise a march based on positive messages ...... in other words .... "Save Our Swindon" or "We Want Fitton" or other such non-confrontational messages. Most people I have spoken to have said that they would certainly be prepared to join a march with that message as it would show how much everyone wanted the club to survive.

The problem with confrontational/negative/hostile protests is that no matter how right/accurate they may be ... it will still immediately alienate significant numbers and break up a united voice into disparate factions. From the extremes of Kingston to the ordinary "fan in the street" there are those who will see "troublemaking busybodies - you know who you are  :wink: " as dick-waving fanatics who are not helping the takeover process. Whether they are right or wrong is irrelevant - it is dividing the common interest - saving the club from possible extinction.

There is probably too little time to organise enough publicity now before Saturday - but this is IMO the only way that you will get significant numbers of people so that the media, Andrew Fitton, Seton Wills and others could not ignore it.

Fuck it


Flawed but effective


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:D Nice one Fred.

I thought it summed it up really

Nicely...

But you would panic if he was leading the charge...

I don't know...think of the publicity  :D

I hate to say it, as this has never happened before, but I agree with Maverick.  I think it's time to face the fact that a lot of Swindon fans are just not interested in the political confrontation side of protesting.

However if a march or something similar was organised as a "Save our Swindon" then a lot more people would be tempted to join in.  It'd be almost like a public show of affection for the club, not anti board, just pro-STFC and pro-Fitton.  We need to focus on the positives to attract the masses not on the slagging off the current people in charge.

Now I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this outlook but to get the numbers that's the sacrifice you have to make.  Continue with the anti- board anti MD stance and the numbers will stay around the 200 mark.