HTC Desire

[pauld]

But the biggest problem is it not being intuitive. I found myself having to check the manual or Google to figure out how to do certain things. Never had to do that once with my iPhone. This is what Apple do so well and everyone else fails on.

Never had to do that with my Android phone. Maybe the problem is that you're a bit thick?

[Samdy Gray]

Maybe the problem is that you're a bit thick?

Or just an Apple fan-boy

[Fred Elliot]

Even bloody Sony make Android phones now.

Oi don't knock it til you've tried it 

I love my X10

[pride_of_wilts]

Can anyone tell me what the camera quality and LED flash is like on this phone? I like a half decent camera on my phone.

Can the flash light up a dark room?

Cheers.

[pauld]

Can anyone tell me what the camera quality and LED flash is like on this phone? I like a half decent camera on my phone.

So do I, hence I'd always had Sony Ericsson's before this one and it was one of the things I was worried about (ie that the camera would be shit). It's fine - a cameraphone is never going to be as good as a dedicated compact but I've taken some pretty decent snaps with mine. Certainly as good as on the Sony, who've always had a good rep for their cameraphones

Can the flash light up a dark room?

How big's the room?

[pauld]

Slightly more helpfully, just tried the flash in my kitchen. Took a pic about 10-12 foot to the window. Lit up the photo nicely, but I'd be doubtful it would illuminate a much bigger area. Like the camera itself, it's OK, really, pretty good for a phone, won't compare to a proper dedicated camera.

[Simon Pieman]

New Flash Player out on the market, replaces the beta player on Froyo.

Also, Kindle for Android is out if you want to read books on a tiny tiny screen.

[STFC_Chris]

I finally caved in and debranded my Orange Desire in order to get the Froyo update this evening. Debranding went fine and it updated to version 1.21(?), it then downloaded and installed the Froyo update. When the phone restarted it was network locked.

Is there anyway around this before I splash out on an unlock code?

[Simon Pieman]

I read about a way. I'll try and find it.

Failing that I got my unlock code from ebay and it was £8.

[Simon Pieman]

Try this. You'll have to roll it back to an older version first though:

http://androidforums.com/htc-desire/140486-how-i-beat-network-sim-lock-my-phone-free.html

Otherwise if you want to pay the codes are now £6.75

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250675517227&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

[Talk Talk]

Si - tell me about the Wildfire. Paul and Sophie both want one as their contracts are almost up.

(Apologies if this has been examined before but I am really not interested in discussing phones :-p )

[Simon Pieman]

They're aimed at the budget end of the market but have similar spec to the legend. About half the power of the desire though, but I don't know how it performs. I think Nemo said he had one so probably the best person to ask.

The desire hd is out soon, which may mean the desire becomes cheaper.

[STFC_Chris]

Cheers Si. I had a bit of a play around with it but ended up buying the code.

It was well worth the effort to be rid of the Orange branded crap...no more Monopoly Demo! 

[jonny72]

Why do you have to pay to unlock them?

O2 let you unlock the iPhone (and I guess other smart phones) from day one of your contract (you still have to pay it though). Is it just Orange being wankers?

[Simon Pieman]

O2 are a bunch of rip off merchant wankers so I find that surprising.

*I'm not bitter*