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"The three players signed on loan from Tottenham are Nathan Byrne, Massimo Luongo and Dean Parrett."

What do we know folks? I think we all expected Parrett and Ceballos but the other two ring a bell and I think may have been mentioned before.

Nathan Byrne
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Full name   Nathan William Byrne
Date of birth    5 June 1992 (age 20)
Place of birth   St Albans, England
Height   5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)
Playing position   Right-back
2010–   Tottenham Hotspur   0   (0)
2011   → Brentford (loan)   11   (0)
2011–2012   → Bournemouth (loan)   9   (0)
2012–2013   → Crawley Town (loan)   12   (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Byrne
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/Team/professionals-profiles.page?PlayerName=Nathan%20Byrne

Massimo Luongo
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Full name   Massimo Luongo
Date of birth    25 September 1992 (age 20)
Place of birth   Sydney, Australia
Height   1.76 m (5 ft 9 in)
Playing position   Midfielder
2011–   Tottenham Hotspur   0   (0)
2012   → Ipswich Town (loan)   9   (0)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Luongo
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/Team/professionals-profiles.page?PlayerName=Massimo%20Luongo

Dean Parrett
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Full name   Dean Gary Parrett
Date of birth    16 November 1991 (age 21)
Place of birth   Hampstead, London, England
Height   5 ft 9 in (1.75 m)
Playing position   Midfielder
2009–   Tottenham Hotspur   0   (0)
2009   → Aldershot Town (loan)   4   (0)
2010   → Plymouth Argyle (loan)   8   (1)
2011   → Charlton Athletic (loan)   9   (1)
2012   → Yeovil Town (loan)   10   (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Parrett
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/Team/professionals-profiles.page?PlayerName=Dean%20Parrett

I signed Massimo Luongo as town manager on fm 2012. He was good in league two, a handy squad player in league one, but not much use in the championship or prem.

Fact (of sorts)

Nathan Byrne has go faster stripes on his eyebrows. I'm expecting a rapid player.

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Byrne seems to have had a body transplant

Sort that collar out.

 8)

I don't even care about the players. We could have signed Yinka Casal and it still would have given us a big lift around the place. Getting that positive feeling back was always what was most important.

Trio spotted at County Ground:
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Hi Spurs fan coming in peace.

Congratulations on getting out of your registration embargo and signing on loan 3 of our under 21's.

Thought I would come and give you a bit of a heads up.

1. Dean Parrett is a box to box midfield player, capable of playing as a DM, CM or even no 10 (he played there for E u20's about 18 months ago and was regarded as one of the better players in the England team at u20 world cup then). Has played in several midfield positions for Spurs u21's this season - and a couple of times lately when we've had no fit strikers at u21 level we have played him as a false no 9 eg. Spurs last u21 game when he scored.

Not a prolific scorer but likely to get 6 in a full season, maybe more if played as an AM.

2.  Massimo Luongo is more of a CM, and emergency CB, keeps the midfield ticking over all the time. One of Spurs best players in the u 19 NextGen tournament last season. The Ipswich fans loved him on loan at the start of the season, but that loan came to an end when Ipswich realised they had to many young inexperienced players and they were losing matches causing a managerial change - and Luongo left as result.  Think of a Scott Parker but with a better motor going forward and that's Luongo.

3. Nathan Byrne's best position is as RB but can also play LB and has also played in other midfield and defence positions. Did well at Crawley at RB and fans seemed to like him.


All 3 are good players, and hope they get a few games with you.

Would you do us a favour and keep us updated - perhaps on this thread so I can update other Spurs fans - I usually post on www.spurscommunity.co.uk or www.spursodyssey.com

Cheers - hope to see you in the Championship next season (helped by our players of course) !







      

Thanks for that, very interesting to have a perspective of what to expect.

Cheers, but I think you're safe from relegation now.

Cheers Spurs fan

 Think this is the first time anyone has used the term "false number 9" on the TEF.  I suspect many of our readers, think it's a reference to someone like Jamie Slabber, but no, it's a sexy Barca/Spain thing. I don't suppose it will get an airing in Div 3.

Massimo Luongo sounds like the kind of player we might have been missing in centre-mid from that description. Also good to know Bryne can do a job at LB as that might end up where he's most usefully deployed.

Dunno Reg, KMAC does like a 5 man midfield

With Jay Mac and Miller struggling with injuries we might well see two of these chaps in the starting 11 tomorrow.

Would go up to a 6 man if we use a false number nine.

Not so sure Gnasher, I posted elsewhere last night that I thought loan deals had to be concluded by 1pm on the day before a game. It wasn't confirmed so I could be wrong.

Which one has pace...? This is what we want!

Knowing our luck we wont get pace, but pacemakers on all 3.

Parrett can fly.

They're shit, bang go our chances of promotion. We may as give up. We'll always be a league 1 club.

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That troll actually looks like me in the morning.  :D

Seems like a promising strengthening of the squad.
Could have done with another striker rather than 2 CMs but can't be greedy.
Byrne should give us the back-up we need at full back and with JMc struggling could see him at LB.
I'm impressed with what I've read about Luongo - could well be very useful at this level and Parrett has good credentials as a youth player.
Not sure what a false Number 9 is - is it the role Antoine vd Linden and Heywood used to play in the closing stages of games we were chasing under King?

I was imagining Andy Mutch. Funny run included.

Apparently Nathan Byrne's dad makes appearances on his loan teams forums and big's him up, I welcome his expected input.

That's not a troll.

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THAT is a troll.

Video of Dean Parrett: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjanYvbW6oc

Looks to have a decent engine on him, a few meaty challenges flying in here and there on that video as well! Reminds me a little bit of Jack Wilshere from that.

Decent end to it all, good chance one of these might turn out to be quite handy and even if they're only average, we could really do with the extra bodies around. Would have been nice to have got a striker though.

No doubt better than we have so numbers will help.

Good signings.

Interestingly, they're all of an age that it's probably time to move on without first team action. There could be an eye on next season with each of them.

From having a read around, Luongo sounds very promising and was impressive at Ipswich. Parrett clearly has talent and I would throw them both in tomorrow.

From these signings it's pretty clear we will be sticking with 4-5-1, shame 'Arry pulled the plug on Andy Johnson and Angelo Balanta but I like the sound of these three and am now much more positive about the run in.

I still predict a play off defeat due to the lack of a 'match winner' after MRs departure but would love to be proven wrong...6 points this weekend would be huge. Going to be an exciting end to the season, that's for sure.

If you had asked any Spurs fan 5 years ago about a false no 9 was most would have thought Spurs would never play one.

Fundamentally its when you play without a recognised striker - formation wise we might be playing a 433 or 4231 but up front we have several attacking midfielders who play in a very fluid formation, constantly changing position with one another but with no striker. Confuses the hell out of the opposing defenders who cannot mark any player well. The false no 9 is the one who plays the part of a striker when one is needed but otherwise acts as an AM (attacking midfielder ) - Messi does it for Barcelona for example. Spurs have deployed it in the u21's - teams like Arsenal cannot handlle it - Spurs score as many with a striker these days as without one (table combined - and our GD is greater than either ManU or Liverpool (2nd and 3rd in the table) have scored.

I suspect its more likely you would use Parrett as a no 10 in a 4231 rather than as a false no 9 or even as a CM, but if you run into an striker injury crisis, the Spurs guys could help you win matches without a striker !

Maybe we could get Spursfan in as tactical coach?

It's really not that difficult to understand. It's just a bit more finnesse than the '442, run in a straight line, blood 'n thunder' shite that most english football fans are used to and comfortable with

We needed bodies and a striker. At least we got bodies.

I think we've had enough loans over the years to know they turn out excellent or dire.

I like the blood and thunder shite. Plus some players look like round pegs in square holes at times. 4-4-2 at home and threaten them is my preference.  But were were excellent and creative at Cov, should have beaten County, beat Yeovil and so its not like4-5-1  it hasn't worked.
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Agree with DV, got bodies, could have done with a striker. May or may not be any cop, but just having them around will keep everyone on their toes.

It's not even that new....Peter Noble was a false number 9 for us back in 68/69.

If they are dire then having them here is pointless and counter productive. I cannot see all 3 from the same club being up to it myself but hope to be pleasantly surprised. 2 out of 3 would be good even.

Maybe we could have Spursfan33 on loan til the end of the season?

Thought they played really well today, was a bit worried when the lil right back came on but they all played well, and can only getbetter. @NathanByrne_     @MassLuongo     @deano_parrett19

Parrett looks a player.  Thought he was better than Luongo tbh.

What you been sniffing?

Luongo was the bollox.

Me too.

Thought he stayed on the ball way too long a lot of the time, resulting in losing possession.  Early days though and he's obviously got ability.  Parrett was the pick of them for me.

Cant agree....but thats footy.

I thought Luongo had the bigger impact on the game, but has to learn when to run with it and when to pass. The team is more important than him scoring a wondergoal and catching the spurs coaches eyes.

Parret played a few fantastic balls over the top for Williams, but also went for the worldy wondergoal shot a couple of times when he should have passed.

Both good additions though. Just need KMac to reign in those tendencies.

He was better 2nd half, first half he made too many runs where he ended up running into players without passing.  I think somebody had word in his shell at half time to get him to release it quicker and he did that.

I thought Parrett's all around play way better.  Quality delivery, box to box and a very good engine on him.

And I have been sniffing nothing.

Parrett for me was the pick of the three, he has a bit more about him overall!!  Luongo has a lot of talent but will get caught out in this league when some big midfielders get to hear about him!

When they've had some actual time to get to know everyone's names (no exagerration, Parret said after the game that he didn't know everyone when he got on the pitch) and train with us a bit, I reckon they'll be a superb addition, as well as providing us with some depth/fresh legs in midfield/defence.

Particularly, the right back looks important if Thompson's injury is serious.

Luongo definitely has a bit of a selfish streak which got the better of him a couple of times but he made up for it elsewhere.

Encouraging debuts by all three.

Agree. I also thought that Luongo was too selfish and hogged the ball too much. Both have promise, but would much rather see Ferry in the middle.

All 3 were decent, which is nice.

Agree...Ferry looked lost wide right.

Agree also

I thought Byrne was the best of the 3, all 3 look ok.

Byrne looked a class act,tho' he didn't have much defending to do.Luongo improved tenfold second half and Parrett was very effective in the middle but less so on the left.

Byrne needed a smaller shirt- when he first came on it looked like he was one of those kids playing in their dad's shirt that goes down to their knees...

He was great though. Luongo didn't really deserve man of the match, but watching him dribble through a packed midfield was impressive, especially when he was on his knees at one stage and yet somehow still controlled the ball. Needs to not be quite as selfish though...

Byrne looks the more rounded player atm, he was very consistent the whole game. Would be happy to see all three line up against Donny, would rather have Luongo on the wing than Ferry, presuming he crosses the ball as well as he dribbles it.

With regards to Luongo's greed, I'm putting that down to youthful exuberance and the desire to impress on his debut - i imagine he'll calm down now.

Yup I'm here as fan or tactical coach.

Sorry we didn't have a spare striker as well, but I think its great that you all seem to agree that all 3 are performing pretty well and hope the description of them earlier in this thread was both useful and accurate.

BTW, Great banter on here as to who of the three is the best.  Keep it coming - Spurs fans lurking on here are definitely interested in your views.

Best of luck today v Donny. Hope you come back with the 3 points

Parrett needs to learn to pass the fucking ball

All 3 kept getting muscled off the ball. Byrne got body checked in the first few minutes and you could see the donny player say " welcome to League one" or words to that effect.

So are we sending all three back then for not being tough enough.

Too right, got into some decent positions and ran into trouble.

That should have been a free kick to be fair

Luongo put in some cracking challenges

I really rate Luongo
Byrne is alright, but i prefer Nathan Thompson. Can he play left-back?
Parrett is an enigma. Couple of decent touches and pace, mixed with weakness and an apparent lack of effort. Weird.

Luongo is quality....good on the ball and very good off it.

Luongo was best of the 3 today.  I wouldn't say quality, but defiantely best of a bad bunch today.

As he was on Saturday.

There's a good player lurking in luongo - some good challenges in our box. Byrne has very little positional sense. Parrett is a greedy cunt who made bad choices near the box to try and line up a shot for himself. We had a loan player from Spurs many moons ago Jonny Jackson now at Charlton who Parret reminds me of and not positively.
Luongo pick of the 3.    

Luongo is the best of the trio in the two games I've seen, although he needs to learn to release the ball quicker. Byrne played really well against Oldham and okay today. He looked a little lost against the Doncaster giants. Parrett's been quite poor. He wants to take all the set plays but he's not very good at taking them, especially his daisy cutter corners. He can't pass either. I would have started with Luongo and perhaps Byrne for for the injured Thomson (although Devera would have been another option).

Nope, but he has been the best of the 3 over the 2 games..

Luongo looked good today, Parrett was nowhere near the player he was on Friday.

Bryne looks decent, he as a great cross on him, just not much use when there is no one on the end of it.

I'm not a massive fan of Luongo or Parrett. Luongo has got good feet but seems to turn into trouble or holds onto the ball too long, he has potential though. Parrett I don't really rate, greedy and gives the ball away far too easily. Byrne on the other hand I think is a good player, good feet again, bit of pace, when Thompson is back I'd push Byrne up into midfield and play him on the wing. I think he'd make a good winger.

You have to remember that these guys only joined on Thursday, they can only get better as they get used to things.

I don't think you can say anyone was good today, except maybe Wes, and he had his moments...

Luongo is head and shoulders above the others. Byrne looks ok, but it's hard to not compare him to Beast Nathan Thompson who is a much better defender. Byrne is probably better going forward. Parrett is a complete cunt. I hate him.

A bit harsh...

A lot harsh. He did OK Friday. Unless.. not sure if serious...

I genuinely hate him; he's my new scapegoat. Greedy, can't pass, wrong decision every time, set pieces are a joke. Useless.

Haha what a mong.

Parrett was very impressive at times on Friday.

Yeah John, you fucking mong.

Your name is actually used as a verb in my circles. It basically means a completly wrong prediction. For example:

"I think we'll beat Doncaster 3 - 0"

"Well, you've Chris_STFCed that right up"

Luongo looked decent, put in a couple of decent challenges and played ok. Parrett has potential but was poor and Byrne was positionally awful and sold himself numerous times, he did put in the two best crosses of the game though.

Remove the first eight words and I would agree based on yesterday's game.  Looked totally disinterested to be honest.

Yet worryingly he was by far our most attacking threat! Collins was dismal and I felt for Rooney being played out wide.

What in the name of fuck are you talking about? When exactly was he 'impressive'? Give me the minutes played when he did something 'impressive' and I will go back and have a look at the recording and I will come back and confirm that you are talking utter shit.

You have Friday's match on record?

Oh dear OST just Chris_STFCed that right up.

Eh?

Oh shit. So I did, my bad  :no:

Sorry Chris....for now ;)

Not going to write off any of these 3 after just 2 games, do like the look of luongo though, decent on the ball in the middle of the park.

Roberts to start ahead of Parrett for me next game

Parrett has returned to Spurs, his loan having been cut short (BBC Wilts). Weird, unless this was the only way we didn't have to play him..

Ruthless from KMAC. Surprised by this.

What do we reckon then?

Parrett's thrown a strop?
MacDonald's sent him packing?
Injured?
Recalled?

Might be too late,shame he's non suitability was not sussed a bit earlier.

If he's been recalled, Spurs have problems...

Although we need the bodies, he was preventing better players from getting a game (by better players, I mean anyone who was left on the bench!)

He wasn't what we needed really. De Vita has hardly played, surely the 433/451 is made for him to be on one wing?

The cynic in me is starting to get suspicious we got them on the cheap (if not for free) as a result of guaranteeing game time.

Otherwise seems very odd to pick a player in your starting 11 in every game since he arrived then suddenly decide he isn't good enough even for the bench.

3 players in from 1 team rang alarm bells for me as soon as it was known they were coming here. It was guaranteed that they wouldn't all be good enough for our side.

Didn't think he was as bad as some are making out when I saw him play (although I wasn't at Franchise). As arriba says though would have been too much to ask if all 3 were up to scratch.

Luongo certainly looks decent enough though.

Thought he showed promise in good Friday game. But ahead of rdv and Roberts? Not for me.

I would agree with that, he is keeping better players out of the team.

Anyone who went to Fanchise should be jumping for joy that we don't have to see this useless tosser ever again

Has Kmac ever publicly stated that the loanees were who he wanted?

Byrne hasn't started every match.

"“I have watched a lot of Tottenham development games and Spurs are the best team in their development league at the moment,” he said.

“I have kept a close eye on the three lads over recent months and know what they are about.

“They will add competition to the squad and hopefully they will settle into the squad quickly. They will be familiar with each other’s play and if they all get in the side at once, then they will have an added advantage.

“They are all good players and they have been brought in to add to what is already a very good squad.

“There are a lot of good players here but hopefully the new lads can play their part and help us push for automatic promotion.”

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/10322566.Swindon_Town_sign_Tottenham_trio_after_embargo_is_finally_lifted/

When signing three kids on loan, it's usually very unlikely that more than one of them will make much of an impact...I guess we can say that Luongo is that player although I wasn't too impressed with him Tuesday when others were.

Byrne is very suspect defensively.

It's not their fault that they weren't what we needed.

Not far off the mark considering I was taking the piss.

No...but he has played them anyway.

Heard a little rumour parrett got pissed and trashed hi hotel room the night before the Doncaster game

That's been posted on another thread as well.  If so, you have to wonder why he was played in that game and against Franchise before being fired out?  Insulting to our own players who were left on the bench imo.

I would guess because it isn't true?  That was a 12 noon kick off.  If he was pissed enough to be smashing his room up he would surely have been hungover/still pissed by the time of the match.

He did play like that to be fair  :)

Thought you might say that :D

The temptation was too much to resist.

I agree with what you said, surely it would have been pretty obvious?

I would have thought so too.  I doubt even his harshest critic thinks Kmac would pick someone to play who was pissed enough to trash the gaff?  :hmmm:

Christian Roberts managed it.

Tony Adams did it for years.

Perhaps I'm being naïve but I thought the fella was too young to have become a functional alcoholic à la Roberts, Adams...

I've been proving that wrong since my 18th birthday.

(I'm well 'ard me)

Gazza has admitted playing after a bender. Morning of the game he had the shakes so had a brandy. Got man of the  match after having a blinder but couldn't remember any of it until he asked someone how he played.

Luongo is class. Byrne looks good lively forward, but is too lightweight and positionally circumspect to be anything more than a league one defender (unless he improves that obvs)

But Luongo is a cut above. Excellent on the ball, always seems to have time, always seems to know who to pass it too, always running. He'll be a prem player no diggity doubt

Luongo is good but not that good. I like Byrne but you're right he's not really a right back, he would make a better winger. If we get into the playoffs and Thompson is back from injury I would give him a try at right mid.

Haha he wasn't that good ffs. Great header though.

As for the last part, how many said the same about Danny Ward who now struggles to get in at Huddersfield who are on the brink of going down.

In fairness Danny's had his fair share of injuries including braking a metatarsal in January. He may be back now though not sure.

Danny Ward also looks to have 'Heskey'd' himself. A player once quite nippy abandoned that to get bulky at the gym, which has effected his pace, rendering him to lose a vital part of his game.

You don't have a clue.

Byrne has played much better in the last two games at left back, though I suppose the performances have been much better all round which has helped.

I think it's because we've actually attacked teams. The opposition wingers haven't had as much chance to constantly put the defence under pressure.

Agree totally with that.

Very good when playing at home - defensively naive when under pressure away

Said it elsewhere, but thought I'd stick it in its right place: we'd be doing well if we get Luongo for next season. Whether long-term loan or purchase, don't mind.

Maybe a trip to Wembey may turn his head.

I'd suppose the decision would be his

I too would happily have Luongo back here next season - though how you accomodate Ferry, Luongo and McCormack in a midfield I'm not sure...

If Ferry were to move on like some people fear, that won't be an issue

Well, if nothing else it's good to have a very good option on the bench/in case of injury.

Plus there's nothing wrong with playing 4-5-1 as long as we get our decent striker for next season. All three of the central midfielders chase, harry, and surge forward, so it's not like we're really losing that extra man up top. Honestly, if we're in the Championship next year, I'll be happy if we do play 4-5-1 with those three in the middle. Gives us a solid base.

This is all presuming we get a better class of striker who's able to play on his own up there next season.

Otherwise, McCormack could be used as a winger, I'm sure. He's so bloody versatile I'm sure if Wes got sent off with no subs left he'd be able to stick the gloves on and pull off worldlies.

I wouldn't want to depend too much on Mcormack next season. His style of play is great when he's playing well, but if he/the team is not it only serves to drag the entire midfield out of shape

Guess which team I support? : P

I am a member of a Tottenham forum and I will be keeping a close eye on how these three lads crack on this season. Any feedback from match goers and alike would be much appreciated.

Just wanted to give some initial feedback on three of the lads you have signed on loan for the coming season...

Alex Pritchard (Swindon, loan)
Grant Hall (Swindon, loan)
Massimo Luongo (Swindon, loan)

There are two players in there that are incredibly well thought of at Tottenham. They are Pritchard and Luongo.

Pritchard will be a cult hero in the West of England if you want my opinion. He has all the tools to create, score and contribute. To be honest, a lot of Spurs fans were expecting him to come into the Tottenham first team this season but, I guess the club decided that he would be better to mature on loan. The best game I have seen him play was away to Barcelona in the NexGen Cup. He took them to the funk on cleaners (although the team lost 1-2 on the night).

here's a film of him in action: vimeo.com/58210027

Luongo went on loan to Ipswich and swiftly became a firm fans favourite. He is strong, good on the ball and will do the unnoticed work of the team. Again, as with Pritchard, Spurs fans have really high hopes for this lad too. But, I guess you already know a fair bit aboot him, right?

RE: frequency.com/video/massimo-luongo-swindon-vs-brentford-72/93559469

The last of the three is Mister Hall. He has been outstanding for our U21's team. He is a good header of the ball and can play 'football' too. He isn't in the same 'high profile' position as the other two lads but, all the same, there are a lot of supporters that feel he will carry on from where Caulker left off.

With these three lads, you should have some really good options to push Swindon on for a place in the play-offs if not, something a bit more concrete.

Good luck lads and all the best for the coming season!

Nice post....see how they do against your boys soon :D

Fuck off you Yid cunt.


PS: That's the TEF way of welcoming you too the forum, being called a cunt. Hopefully they prove a handful in league 1 and manage to keep us up..  8)

Yeah, there are a potential Five players from Tottenham that could all side up against us.

The three I mentioned and Nathan Byrne and Jack Barthram. Mate, I was surprised that the club let Bryne go to be honest. He has been putting in some great performances for the Academy team but, it's not my call I guess so...

I really hope that Pritchard shows you guys what he is capable of. Him and Ceballos are my two top tips from our current crop (well, there are a few more but at the moment, those two are the stand out pair and now you have one of them at your club!).

hahahahaha : P It's a fair call mate and I take it fully on the chin : )

This is an indication of how happy most of us are with the players we've taken from you. You'd usually have to post for several weeks before you'd get called a cunt.

I think the prospect of having someone in the team that might enable us to actually score from set pieces has got Crispy a bit overexcited.

I like Luongo,really suprised that a Championship club didn't take a punt on him.

Spurs_Fan, what are your thoughts on Kenneth McEvoy?

We almost signed him on loan last season along with Ceballos but our manager u-turned on the deal. However, I get the impression we may see him here at some point.

Also, who do you reckon you will replace Bale with?

January is the very earliest i'll actually be aloud to watch any of them play. I just felt having been on the TEF for the length of time I have, that it was my turn to welcome somebody to the site if the fine, age old TEF tradition.  :D

You just won't give this one up will you.

He forms the nucleus of the future for the club. Like I said before, most see him as one of the best players from the academy. I'm surprised that he didn't go to a Premier League club this season, having been at Ipswich and of course, Swindon before. Having said that, I think the club want to keep him 'out of the limelight' until he is ready to step up. 

McEvoy, or Bale v2 as he is known soapy tit wank, isn't ready to do much other than play in the under 18's team at the academy. Him, along with Shaq Coulthirst and Souleymane Coulibaly should feature heavily in next seasons 'NexGen'. He has all the attributes to take over where Bale left off. He was also sold to Real Madrid in 'tehTrunk's' new animation [watch here: youtube.com/watch?v=8JWuqjyqJek] who thought that they were buying Gareth Bale. (amen tehTrunk)

I remember the talk of Ceballos coming to Swindon. If he does join (you can have a maximum of four players loaned out to the same club if I remember rightly), brace yourselves. He is an excellent talent that either this year or next, will burst onto the scene.

Here's a video of him: youtube.com/watch?v=cyUEyU2NEdw


This isn't really anything to do with the topic on hand but, I'll give you my opinion on it since you asked.

Gareth Bale will not leave Tottenham. There are three reasons this is the case.

1) His bint just gave birth to their daughter. Anyone who knows Bale, knows he is a family man. There is no way he will up sticks and leave his family behind at such a tender age for his baby. (Levy will not sell him to an English club, as with Modric)

2) He has just signed a three year sponsorship deal to front BT's English Premier League launch

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/943618_513335332067764_871386295_n.jpg)

3) He is the 'poster boy' for NBC's launch into broadcasting English Premier League games over in yanksville.

(http://data.tribunnews.com/foto/bank/images/baliho-gareth-bale.jpg)

Sorry for the lateness of this update lads, been pretty snowed under >.< anyway: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23423191

Ryan Mason has been one of the most highly-rated players in the Spurs academy for years, making his first team debut in the UEFA Cup back in 2008 at only 17 years old. Fast forward five years, and the now 22 year-old hasn't had the impact many expected of him.


When he first burst onto the scene, the attacking midfielder topped the goalscoring charts in our U-18 side two years running. In '09, his goalscoring and creativity saw him earn a loan to Yeovil in League One where he excelled alongside fellow loanee Steven Caulker. Since then, several more lower-league loans have followed.


He finally earned his first start for the senior side this season when Spurs took on Carlisle in the Carling (suck it, Capital One) Cup, playing in an unfamiliar role alongside Tom Huddlestone in central midfield. He had a solid game in an unfamiliar position, shuttling forward well to support the attack, though his wayward shooting left a lot to be desired. He was subsequently shipped out to Lorient in Ligue Un, where he received precisely zero minutes of playing time.


Mason is perhaps the most technically proficient of Spurs youth players, and had been the crown jewel of the academy for years.From his preferred position behind the striker, he shows excellent control, passing and vision, along with an eye for goal. He's adept at playing from wide areas as well, and in recent years has had success playing deeper in central midfield. He's got a very good footballing IQ and devotes himself to honing his craft and studying the game. By all accounts, he should be fighting for a first team place by now.


In a word, injuries. Since his successful loan spell at Yeovil, his career has been plagued by injury. He missed most of the 2010-11 season while at Doncaster after a bad tackle saw him stretchered off the pitch. Injury blighted 2011-12 as well, limiting him to only five appearances with Doncaster and a further five at the end of the year on loan to Millwall.


This past season he seemingly put his injury woes behind him, but surprisingly didn't feature much at all with the first team. In January, the coaching staff decided to send him to a more technical league where his style would be better suited, but his time in France was a total disaster and he failed to log a single minute with the club.


Aside from the injuries that have slowed his development, concerns have always been raised over Mason's physique. He's a slender 5'9 and the typical concerns about not being able to handle the rugged and manly world of EPL football have swirled around him for years. Whether this is an actual problem remains to be seen.


If his coaches are to be believed, Mason has the talent and dedication to be playing regularly at a high level in any league in the world. But his injury history and lack of playing time during crucial development years appear to have set him back to a worrying degree. At 22 he's one of the wise old heads of the Spurs youth setup, and he isn't getting any younger.


Mason scored 8 goals in 8 appearances in the Premier League's U21 competition last year.

Thanks for the write up. We'll report back after a few games.

Any idea why he couldn't get a game out in France?

There are a few Town fans who are concerned about the link up with Spurs, myself included. we know that Lee power and Tim Sherwood are BFF but we don't understand the terms of the relationship. Who is paying the wages. Do we have to play the players etc.
Do you have any take on it?

...and whether we had any choice in the players we've taken.

I could only speculate mate but, ties between the two clubs go back a long time. If you look at the Hoddle/Spurs connection, it seems it has grown from there.

I know that our Youth Team Coach has some ties with the Director over there but, to what extent that is, I'm not sure.

Normal loan terms suggest that the parent club pays the whole, if not, the majority of the players salary. I would have thought that this will be the case in question here too.

From a Spurs point of view, I would rather have kept Mason, Pritchard and Hall at the club in the U21's team, along with Luongo. I don't see the point in loaning out players when this new competition seems to be a more ideal way to nurture the youth talents.


Again, only speculation here but, I would have thought having these lads at the club can only better the chances of a higher position this term. There would have been discussion between the clubs about which players could be available for a loan but surely both club would have to come to an agreement before any transaction can take place.

On a side note, I can understand fans concerns about taking loan deals. When manure stole Berbatov, they loaned us DJ funk in Campbell. ooooh, I was seeing the green mist during those few months at the start of that season I can tell you soapy tit wank. In this case; Swindon and Tottenham, because of the distance in League positions in recent years, it can't be helped to feel a little like 'big brother' is calling the shots. For all I know, this may well be the case but, I very much doubt that football is run this way when the amounts of money involved in all four tiers of the association are at such premium levels. Like I say though, it can't be helped to have said attitudes, especially when there are now Six ex and current Spurs players at the club.

For me, like I said above, I would rather the lads had stayed at Tottenham to develop but what do I know?

Apparently not a lot.  It was Frazier Campbell.


(I can never find smileys and don't like them anyway - please be assured this is tongue in cheek.  True though...)

That's just the problem, there is no development playing in reserve games and the odd league cup match. A lot of players never quite find their feet until they are released and it's then do or die time, for some players that moment is too late and they end up dropping out of the league all together.

League One football with pressure and expectation of fans and big 6 foot 5 brick shithouse centre backs trying to kick you, is where players develop better than in front of a couple of hundred fans in a reserves game, against a team with a few players on the recovery from injury, etc.

Agree with  ChalkyWhiteIsGod , added to that we have seen a fair few highly rated youngsters do one of two things: 

Some have come and given it their all, and done remarkable well for us.

Some have come in, and looked disinterested as if they think they are "better" than league 1. And are pretty quickly found out in front of the fans.

Both groups have talent, but you learn a lot about attitude too playing in real games. I think it'll develop them in ways reserve U21 games never could. Lucky Spurs :)

Playing in League One gives them a taste of what happens if they get released by Spurs as Swindon is the sort of club who they'd have to join on a permanent deal.  If it doesn't motivate them to give everything to get a new contract then nothing will.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2380976/Tottenham-strengthen-Swindon-link-CHARLES-SALE.html


From the Daily Mail today....Obviously it's mostly things we already know, but it sounds as if Spurs loanees could become a fixture of the squad for seasons to come if the relationship continues.

Sounds fucking shit to me, I have no intetest in being Tottenham's feeder.

"The potential alliance is such that Tottenham coaches may in future have access to Swindon training sessions to ensure the clubs work to similar ideals"

FFS.

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However it is the Mail, so ...

Yeah these top level coaches and their methods and ideas can fuck right off.

I accept some, maybe most will be happy for spurs to dictate the way we play football. Each to their own though.

I think we have to look at the bigger picture here, we wouldn't have a player the calibre of Pritchard if it wasn't for our link with them, it can only be a good thing.

We're in League One for fuck sake we need all the help we can get.

As I said each to their own. Happy enough with a link up. Would be unhappy to be forced to play their players in their system.

We don't yet know that's the case before anyone starts whining at making suppositions.

I can understand your POV, it's a shame to lose some of our own identity in that respect, I didn't mean to be so dismissive. I do think we can benefit from this though.

Spurs are now a feeder team for Real Madrid...does this mean we're now a feeder, feeder team for Los Blancos?

Yes I admit our on field results could improve under the scheme. But for me personally I'd rather be a shit STFC than a good Tottenham subsidiary, provided we kept league status.

As I said, I have no problem with the loans if they are just unconditional loans.

I think its best I buck out of this argument until we have a more definitive source than the mail.

The Mail generally only makes up shit to do with politics....there's nothing in the article, which we don't already know, other than a bit of confirmation that Power is in fact a co-owner, rather than a mere director.  Basically if it works everybody will be happy, if it doesn't then I'm sure there will be some extra special vitriol coming the way of architects.

I don't have a single iota of fuck to give, asides from hoping it's successful.

My only concern is how this arrangement will work when we get into the Premier?!

It depends on what each individual fan (Swindon) expects.

Those who want some measure of success and a lack of shitness may well be happy with the arrangement.

Others, myself included, want a more independent club to support where we can develop our own players and not have over half the side stuffed with Spurs players.

The other downside is that if, at any one time, half the players are not actually ours, then the chances of us unearthing a gem (Austin etc) that could benefit us, and only us financially, diminishes.

And what happens when we get Spurs in the cup this year - the round after we knock out the Mackems?

Firstly, there are no interviews or sources in the article. It's the Daily fail. Secondly, the bit about coaches having access to dictating the way we play sounds like all conjecture on behalf of that puckered-anus faced fellow Charles Sale.

I'm not saying it's wrong. It's just a little early to be going 'WE'RE NO LONGER SWINDON, WE'RE SPURS 2!'

Thirdly, who's to say the club didn't go 'Well, we'd like to play like a good Premiership side if possible, it's attractive, sellable football. Lee, doesn't your mate Tim run the youth squad at Spurs? Why don't we try and follow their way of doing things? It's good football to watch and brings in the punters.'

Playing like another team and utilising some of their youth does not make us their bitch.

Spurs are our bitch  ;)

Whilst I have some reservations, it's clear that footballs current business model, particularly in the lower leagues is utterly f**ked.

We are the only club with an arrangement like this now, but I suspect we won't be the last. The game needs to change, and maybe our lot have hit upon something that could do the reliance on rich benefactors/ running up massive debts.

I'm not saying it will all be plain sailing, or even that it will last long term, but something needs to change in this deranged game, and we might as well give this a go.

There's a lot of sense in what you say, but English lower league football, has never really operated on sense...it's a  unique wonderful mad thing, and long may it last...

I don't think there's anything wrong with Spurs looking at ways of developing their young players, because atm there's an impasse in English football, which is going to hit the national side big time over the next number of years...the Prem academies produce these young lads who aren't good enough for Prem sides, and who don't understand or have the physicality for lower league stuff...you get the odd few who come through despite rather than because of the system.

So the UEFA U'19 Euro happening atm...has the usual suspects...Spain, France, Holland, some ex Yugo states, producing talented young players...England didn't even qualify, which added to the poor showing of the U 21's and U 20's highlights teh problem...interestingly the German's haven't been too crash hot either, and their football has opened up to taking more foreigners in recent years.

If we can benefit, then fine...my concern is that getting one or 2 of these Prem lads into an effective unit would be a difficult task, but half a dozen is just unrealistic...

If all lower league teams are going to turn into feeder clubs for Premier League sides and have their playing styles dictated to from on high, then I'm glad we jumped the queue and got Spurs.

I pity the poor sods who end up as Stoke's bitch.

I'm sure the Port Vale fans will see the logic of it in due course.

So assuming we're sounding this out as a long-term relationship, is there any chance we'll see some actual investment from Spurs in our first team squad in future?

Presumably they'd prefer to have their best youth prospects gaining experience in a Championship/ top League One team, surrounded by other quality players, than in a struggling League One team otherwise made up of lower league odd-bods and journeymen who don't integrate properly into their system?

:zipped:

 :clap:

From my point of view and, for what it's worth, I think it's pants that clubs allow this sort of thing to happen in football. It undermines the team, it's fans and any form of self development. The 'big brother' factor has no place in football. The playing field should be level on all levels.

Unfortunately however, the MASSIVE hand of finance has covered our nations game to the point where you have men with small dicks and sand in their pants spending £1.000.000.000 over a four year period on new players, who then go on and win the league.

OK, Jack Walker was no different as funk on Blackburn won the title not so long ago so, it's not soo new. Having said that, managers like Brain Clough and his generation are slowly disappearing, along with the values our game has held for so long.

I mean, the world's oldest Cup game is now some mere speck in the Sky Sports TV schedule, with the final being played on a normal Saturday to suit the broadcasters.

But hey, I digress...

The situation is what it is and there's not much you or I can do about it so, on the positive side, having players from the same team on loan may well be more beneficial as there will of course already be comradery between them.

Like someone said earlier; if this is to be the model of future clubs in league one, then at least you didn't get Stoke as your supplier.   

I can see the benefit for us - if there is one. Players on relatively small wages and a relatively high skill level

But what is the benefit to Spurs - do you honestly see any of these players actually making up into a first team regular at The Lane?

None of the bigger PL clubs appear to trust their youth systems as very few, if any, youngsters make it with their parent club

Mate, as I said earlier in the thread, both Pritchard and Luongo have big futures at Tottenham and I for one was surprised that Pritchard even left to go out on loan.

As for Mason well, he was the don of the academy but for some reason, he's lost it but here's hoping he gets something back. I can't see him making it at Spurs now though.

Hall will make it as far as the first team, but how much depends on his development over the next two seasons.

Edit: I'd just like to add that both our first team full backs have come through loan schemes and are now full first team regulars in Walker and Rose. They are both English too, which makes me pretty happy to be honest. 

none of the players you have loaned us will go on to make appearances for Spurs in any senior competition.

What do you base that on mate? Here's the lack of academy players not making it into the first team against PAOK in the UEFA Cup last season.

PAOK Salonika: Kresic, Malezas, Contreras, Lino, Etto, Pablo Garcia, Fotakis, Arias, Vieirinha, Athanasiadis, Salpingidis. Subs: Chalkias, Balafas, Robert, Papazoglou, Ivic, Sznaucner, Tsoukalas.

Tottenham: Cudicini, Bassong, Corluka, Walker, Livermore, Townsend, Carroll, Pavlyuchenko, Giovani, Falque, Kane. Subs: Gomes, Fredericks, Nicholson, Pritchard, Parrett, Stewart, Barthram.

1) playing for us will ruin their careers
2) none of them are Norwegian

seriously though, I can't imagine that any of them will impress in a young and inexperienced L1 side enough to encourage Spurs to throw them into the first team, especially if you're chasing CL football. If any of the youngsters impress then they will probably generate enough interest from sides in the Championship/high end of L1 to tempt them from sitting around in the reserves at White Hart Lane.

heh : )

Ok then, here's a bet for you...

I'm willing to place five of my English pounds on the fact that both Luongo and Pritchard make the first team and play more than 10 games in the same season with-in two years.

You game?

Out of all of the youth prospects at Tottenham, Swindon have two of the best at the club. They are still very young and a lot can happen but, this is the same route Walker took. L1 -> CS -> PL

How about a bet that your golden boy will be playing his trade in the Spanish capital next season?

what's the yen to krone exchange rate like?

I just can't see it. We've had a few "next big things" at Swindon and only Milner has done anything of note

Was Walker not signed from Sheff Utd?

.......and Michael Carrick.........and Shay Given.

before my time so can't really comment.

I'd say the ratio of decent loan players to shit loan players is pretty depressing, with a handful over 10 years being good.

Luongo is quality. Will play prem for sure. Possibly not for spurs if they continue to bother the top four, bu for a mid table side deffo

Perhaps I was misunderstanding your reference to "have done anything of note"......... but you're right about decent loanees being as rare as Dr Chang's accurate predictions.

I never saw Carrick or Given play so they didn't immediately spring to mind, but yes, they're definitely examples of loanees who have gone on to make more than a handful of top flight appearances - aside from those three I'm struggling to think of any.

The other point I was making was that I doubt any of these youngsters will impress consistently due to the current make-up of the side and the likelihood that we'll struggle a bit this season. I can't really understand why Spurs are so keen for their promising kids to get kicked around by L1 chuggers

Who was the fella we got from Blackburn, scored a worldly - centre back, black lad

Yes he was mate. He then went on loan in the Championship, then onto the Premier League before becoming the first choice Right Back at Tottenham.

marlon broomes

Good man, ta

think he scored that goal against brum at home?

So, seeing as you've got 2 weeks before your first game, have you thought about a little trip to the CG to keep an eye on your gems?

I'll try and find it n you tube

Would love to mate, if you sort us out with the travel as it's a good 12,000 miles to White Hart Lane from my house, and another 200 miles over to there.

Excuses!

found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoAS31NRa10

what a cracker!

Touched by the hand of Hod.

Good luck with that, I have searched everywhere for it with no joy. Cracking goal from all of 35 to 40 yards out.

Seems like Bale is leaving for £93 million and Willian and some striker from Roma are signing for them.  They've done good business this summer but does seem to push the youngsters who are on loan further down the pecking order.

I'm not normally one to comment, or give much of a shit about the premiership, but I do find myself smiling lots so far. Wenger's bought fuck all and seems to be being made to look quite incompetent, which is great. Man U, hopefully, will still struggle under Moyes, although sadly I like Moyes, but I'd take huge pleasure in Man U not finishing top 1, but being outside the top 4 would make me wet myself.

Meanwhile, Tottenham seem to be buying up more talent than the rest of the teams combined, excluding Man C, and I'd laugh with joy if they really fucked up "the big 4" this year. I'm looking forard to it.

Oh, and I nearly forgot. I'm also looking forward to that disloyal, cunty, fascist, bellend falling out with some of his Frenchies and constantly making demands - requiring "just 3 more players".

It's going to be a real soap opera this year, I hope.

Fuck me I got married in Willian...Spurs hinterland in the Hertfordshire countryside...seemed a conservative lot, has anyone told them.

So Bale scores his last Spurs goal at the County Ground.

no way!!!!!!

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/aussies-abroad/news/1165923/Swindon-lands-Luongo-on-a-permanent-deal

I'm not sure what's going on here but garn darn, that's one hell of a footballer you've just signed. gutted!

Quite a hefty fee for a club of our size, but if we can afford to pay it then he's certainly worth it!

There are a couple of people ahead of him at spurs I think

He is indeed
And has played like it too
400k is a snip too as can see him being worth 7 figures easily and real soon

Wonder if we'll go for any of the other 3 now that Spurs have signed the whole world? If we can rustle up the money, would be a no brainer. Give spurs a hefty sell on, win-win.

Spurs are busy signing every attacking midfielder on the planet in fairness, Luongo was never going to get a game.

It's a bloody big signing for us though, we know he's a very good player but that's a lot of money for us, can't remember us making a bigger signing money wise, can a statto let me know if we've spent that much on anyone in the last decade? I think Cox was 300k right?

Weren't caddis and ferry 650k the pair?

Is he our most expensive player since Elliot Benyon?

Big shoes to fill

Cox nearer £200k

Sutton - Caddis and Ferry I thought was £300/350k for the pair of them.

Bogus Dave - Luke Rooney? Think Benyon was £70k.

Be David Peach then..

So we think all those players were less then...do we have to go back to the 90s and Mark Robinson to beat it?

But we have no money to buy players with because the board have no money.

Oh, wait.....

Really? I had it my head Benyon cost us £300k

I see Mason bagged a trick today. The feeling at Tottenham is that this loan is his last chance to impress. As I mentioned a while ago, he has slipped down since he burst onto the scene but, there has always been the feeling that he could step up at the club. Whether he does I guess is what happens this season of which, you guys will reap the rewards.

As for Spurs signing every player on the planet; I think this is going to backfire and slap us round the face. Of course I'm happy with the players that we have brought in (12 new signings over the last 12 months!) but, whether or not the can all get on to using the same hair gel in the dressing room is the one thing that stains the situation.

Should have had 4 as he missed another pen in the last minute.

See we've signed Luongo permanently for £400k.

Things looking good at the moment - even better if we do you a favour and kick Jose in the cunt

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Back to the 90s but a bit later.......George Ndah?

It's ironic that that's way, way more than the previous regime paid out in terms of actual fees.

Signing Luongo presumably cleared the way for the Ajose loan as well....so a double bonus.

We were ok with Ajose as Pritchard is registered as a youth loan.  I wouldnt be surprised to see another Spurs loanee come in on Monday ... Cebellos maybe?

you've got three players now so I guess it's plausible. Cebellos would be an excellent addition. Right wing/Second Striker

You must be laughing at £85m for Bale ? Not even worth half that.

It's a good point mate but, I think the people behind the scenes look to the commercial value of a player as well as their ability on the park. Bale has the potential to generate millions both off the field and on it, ergo, £100.000.000 seems a viable price, let alone £85.000.000.

I can appreciate that, just seem silly money. Rather have the team with an additional 6 or so players you have bought than him.

And he is welsh  ;D

Right, my attempt at working out our record transfers as a quick googling didn't help much...Town historical transfers more than Luongo:

#1 Joey Beauchamp (:suicide:) 800k 1994
#2 Mark Robinson 600k 1994
=3 George Ndah 500k 1997
=3 Jan Aage Fjortoft 500k 1993
#5  Wayne Allison 475k 1995

Would anyone like to add to that? Biggest for 18 years by my count

Fjortfort was £500k wasnt it in 1993?

Yep, good shout, will add that.

 Wasn't part of Joeys transfer Adi Whitbread? And that total includes his perceived value?

Not 100% sure of the official breakdown but Joey is listed is our official transfer record virtually everywhere.

The figures are misleading without taking inflation into account.

That useless cunt Drysdale was around the 450k mark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Bullock

A big waste of £400,000 :headhurts:

Damn right. Which must make David Peach, at £250,000, a massive fuck-up

There is a formula for this mate.

There is actually a calculated method to assert the nominal fees for these players if you follow the time line of inflation in England. According to a report (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/mar/09/inflation-economics) in the Guardian newspaper, England's inflation rate has been at a steady 2.7% since 1948. However, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_price_index), as set by the National Bank of England, puts the cumulative CPI at 77.1%.

Having said that, these increases in inflation do not represent the current movement of price fluctuations in the English Premier League. According to The Transfer Price Index (http://transferpriceindex.com/2011/09/transfer-inflation-1112-update-2/), the rate of inflation in the game sits at 730% in during the 20 years of the Premier League.

We paid a then British record transfer fee of a reported £2.5M for Paul Gascoigne in 1999.

But by following the TPI valuation of 730%, we can make a pretty accurate estimation of the current transfer price of players from the past.

730% of £2,500,000.00 = £18,250,000.00 + £2,500,000.00 = £20,750,000.00

are you a money lender ?  ;D

We went for Mickey Channon and ended up with alcoholic Peach.

Which suggests that while he was a shocking footballer, he could have been a decent Archer.

Knew there was a joke in there somewhere!

Nemo, you're stand up show must be interesting

I was thinking the same thing



Schnapps !!

try this
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/education/Pages/inflation/calculator/index1.aspx
I used it to work out that my salary started to decrease in real terms in 2009 !!

Don't know if this has been posted by anyone else

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/swindon-town/8849783/92-live-swindon

Pritchard looks about ten years old

That wasn't Pritchard, that was the mascot, you eejit


......oh wait a minute.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:thats what i thought first time i saw him at the turkey game

Luongo seems to have stepped up to another level recently. I actually think he's starting to look the most impressive of the Spurs players. Skips through teams with consummate ease at times. Had my misgivings about the fee at the time, but those doubts have been exorcised by recent performances.

Not a right-back though.

:D