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We're fucked.

We're going to win 5-2

Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark Thread?

3-1 norwich. If we win this game I will be mascot at the next game naked.

House and car job on the home win.

Having said that I would not be surprised if Ben Hutchinson bagged a couple to seal the win for an impressive Town outfit.

If we win this, I will french kiss the mother superior.

I fucking hope so. I'm not sleeping for 3 hours to endure a 4 hour drive there and back to see us lose.

We will score more than them.

But they will win.

I'm going to bed...hoping to wake up to the news that we have not drew 1-1 or even lost.

Just in case we do.

If we keep them quiet first half, then we have a shout.

We'll get battered, and realise we aren't actually very good

Yeh, lets face it, we are only going for a day out, with no hope of a result

Thats the spirit. Low expectations cannot be quashed :)

Well exactly, now i cant be dissapointed, keeps me happy :)

This is the first time this season I think we will lose. I can see them getting at least 3.

4-0 Norwich

Jeez this is a depressing thread. I blame the weather. And the fact we're probably going to get bummed by Delia's lot today.

However, I'm going for a Swindon win, 3-2. I have my lucky Brentford Away pants and socks on.

Come on Norwich!

I also think we'll lose 3-1

You want to see juddie naked???

I'm gonna say 2-0 to us, purely for the sake of it.

Right Then, Just Leaving, we are going to get hammered!

Oh Well

Come on Town!

Er no, hence the come on Norwich.

Whoops. I had a blonde moment then.

I'm with the majority, cannot see anything but a loss and possibly a heavy loss as well.  3-0

2-0 defeat i think

0-0...........yippee

I just cant see us getting anything here,3-0 to Norwich..

I'm not sure this is as cut and dried as people make out, I can see us getting a point perhaps.

2-1 Town you bunch of miserable pessimist cunts. :)

I'm missing my first Saturday game since 22nd August :(

We'll lose.

Think I'm with Dave on this one...low expectations cannot be quashed!

With so many low expectations, I expect very few negative posts if we lose ;)

Just got back from watching my eldest play (and win) in a friendly so despite the rain, form, all common sense etc I'm feeling strangely optimistic, if a little damp. So I think we'll win or at least pull off a creditable draw on the highly logical grounds that I'm in a good mood and demand that nothing spoil it.

I expect Cureton to come off the bench and score, useless players for us have a habit of scoring against us, smart money suggests it will be late on as well. Grant Holt will also score cos he is far too good not to, so I expect them to score at least 2 and can't see us scoring, so I'll go with 2-0 Norwich, Holt and Cureton.

Anyone found a bookies offering odds on Austin to score?

I reckon a few quid on him to get the last goal would be a decent bet.

500/1 on PaddyPower. Worth a couple of quid if you are confident of your pants and socks!

2-2 im finking

Sadly think might be 2-1 to them. TOWN PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Timlin in for Hutch, exactly what was suggested last Saturday at half time, 4:4:2?

Is he on the bench then?

Not so confident on this match, but hopefully DW has ripped into those players and we steal a 2-1 victory  :nod:

Austin is on the bench, but the BBC said he won't come on.

Kennedy on the bench, with JLF starting.

Head: what he said...


Heart: what he said...

Kennedy didnt travel

so, whats the team then?

4 strikers on the bench? Peacock, Paynter, Hutchinson and Austin! Not short of attacking options are we? Do we really need 4? Big pressure on Obadeyi and Revell today I feel so come on boys!

Timlin in for Hutchinson.

JFL in for Kennedy.

Austin on the bench, but RS says he won't come on (what if we are losing six-nil?).

Must have heard wrong on RS.  Who's the back-up for JFl. Hasney on crutches?

So why put Austin on the bench if we have no plan to use him. Seems like a waste of a sub to me?

Can't argue with that, are RS making it up?

I assume he meant to say unlikely to play because, as you say, why take him if you know you won't use him.

RS just said he's on the bench nothing more, could have spin from the cometary team.

The question being discussed is whether Tope plays up front with Revell or plays in midfield, 4:4:2 or 4:5:1?

Tope has to play up front

I reckon it'll be 4-5-1 myself.

I think it will be 4-5-1 .

They play a 4-3-2 usually and then let Hoolahan run about in a free role, so I suspect we will play a 4-5-1 to counter their midfield trio, though I'm amazed we haven't gone with pace up front to counter their slow centre-backs.

Anyone know an anagram of Cureton?

The 4-5-1 has worked away from home.

CUNTERO

Dan in Corsham = Freddie's Ferret?

I hope it'll be 4-5-1....  today's pretty crucial if we want to seriously flirt with the playoffs, but can't really seeing us get anything after last week.

Fuck it, keep the faith, Gordon Greer's gunna back two in a 5-2 win for the Town, ala when we played Stockport away a few years ago - even Sabin managed to score that day...

Belfast - If they play 4-3-2 we're laughing...

I came up with something similar Ore Cunt, but True Con seems to fit.

I did say 4-3-2 with Hoolahan doing what he wants, thus giving them 11 players!

Cunt ore

And we'll play 4-5-1.

4-3-Hooligan-2, got it.

Afternoon chaps. Taking a break in the DIY to listen to this.

Team news?

LJF left back, Timlin in for Hutchinson, pretty much all strikers on the bench

Strange, looks like we're going for it then?

Who the fuck is Rob Hartley the RS co-commentator?

He's on quite regularly, think he has something to do with the supporter's club or something like that.

Superfan. Not missed a game for 20 years are something silly like that.

We should get the guy from the Football League Show to commentate. Or just interview Wilson after every game "That was awful Danny, any thoughts?"

anyone having problems with World? I have no match commentary.

he is commentating and has been for years...

Back now :D

Thanks, saw him on the BBC, told Wilson Swindon were crap after the Hartlepool game, knows what he is talking about even if he lives in Northampton.

I was just about to sign up for it, but I remembered how bad it was a few years back. I see not much has changed.

4 man midfield of McGovern, Timlin, McNamee and Ferry are apparently lining up with Timlin on the left, McGovern and Ferry in middle and Macca on the right. That can't be right surely?

That's not him. Rob lives in Swindon.

one ball scores again!!

getting abused by kev was the best thing to happen to him!

Why is Timlin on the left??? They have a young untested left back who would surely get roasted /severely tested by McNamee! McGovern in the middle is a no go surely!

right back*

afternoon all, we winning yet?

Glad we haven't heard Hoolahan being mentioned much  :)

Maybe because Timlin will offer the slightly dodgy LJF more defensive cover than McNamee.

Its been a while since McNamee roasted a full back over a whole game 'n all...

under the cosh a bit!

Yep I imagine that's the thinking. Would rather see Timlin in the middle though, doesn't look like they have an out and out right winger today either..

Leeds have equalised, Carlisle in front.

SENT OFF: East Stirling, Bolochoweckyj, Deliberate Handball

East Strirling should have dropped a bollock.

Just got back from Scotland, cant see us getting anything today..... 3-0 defeat.

Rooney scored after 15 min.

Thought we'd scored with Ed's Vic's reaction  >:(

Macnamee playing well by the sound of it.

Ooooooooooooooooh  :doh:

Hoolahan dives, Greer having a word.

Phew

Norwich just hit the crossbar.

Holt thumps the ball into the crossbar, Hoolahan dives again, Vic Morgan's going to explode.

diving fucker!!

Manure don't play until tommorow?

his brother?

Big Kev is now down to one ball as well. Ironic.

Fuck it. 1-0 Narwich

1-0 Nartch.

Pants

it was coming wasnt it...

game over then.

Fuck sake, its been coming! I think its going to end up a heavy defeat today!

I doubt it, Norwich will take their foot off the gas if they get a second.

No it isn't Shrek's brother, a player called Rooney scored for Inverness CT, which would be Malpas's team if he hasn't been sacked.

We're fucked without Douglas.

And Hoolahan goes in on Amankwaah with a late challenge, could have about three yellow already on another day.

Malpas is still there, no?

I think he is, not far away enough.

City fans asking Wilson "wheres your bottle gone?"

why on earth are they asking that?

Goal given to Martin after been given to Lappin.

Three major problems not enough bite in midfield without Douglas, exposing slowish central defenders, not enough bite in midfield to set up frequent enough attacks without Douglas, and one goal per match scored if we are lucky with no natural goal scorer.  Other than that, we are doing well.

Not seen his interview, questioning our players bottle in front of an expectant crowd, always a dangerous game and so far it's back fired

Nope.

It's going to be an interesting January.

Where did you hear/read that?

No, it isnt.

We'll sign Revell

Yeah that was a mad thing to say, only going to fire them up even more

Very cheerful

Lo chaps! Take it that its 1-0 and we are lucky that its that close?

Who are you...####ing Mystic Meg?!

But yes.

To be honest NMH the game hasn't captured my imagination much and I've only been half listening. From the radio it sounds like we nearly scored one, otherwise Holt has hit the crossbar and Norwich are fairly comfortable as our lack of cutting edge continues.

Worried about the lack of times I've heard the names of our midfield with the exception of McNamee, can't see how we can change things for the better, strikers don't seem to be getting a great deal of service. Let's hope Danny can sort it

i cant be arsed to listen to it.the midfield line up told me how it will go today.got some stevie wonder on instead

I've signed up to World again. I expect good things now I'm listening, if the link stays working that is.

We might sign Revell, Easton will be gone and will try and sign Ferry.  Tope will be back at Bolton by then, Hutchinson will return to Celtic.  We should try to sign a striker and a couple of midfielders.  

I get the impression that Wilson is losing patience with some of the players.  We musn't lose sight of the fact that we were a shambles until recently under Malpas and that we only just stayed up.  With Douglas in the team, we are at least a decent mid-table side.  With Douglas and a natural goalscorer we should be up there in the play-off positions.  We are not going to move forward depending on loan players in midfield and especially up front.    

i feel a bit like that but it is half time, ska time!!!

Seriously, I really enjoy the whole program these days, rather than just the commentary. Mark O'D is ace. My only worry from today's show is how much everyone is building up Charlie Austin...

As it stands, we tumble down to tenth.

There's a thought :)

Nah just need to score more :)

Don't say nice things about Mark O'D, he might follow the thread on line.

Mark are you there?

I might try to get him to explain cuntflaps on the radio again :)

Would have been interesting what would have happened had we signed Douglas and Robinson.

we will sign Revell...

By way of telling people to watch the 2 girls 1 cup video?

Good spell this, come on!

Given the recent performances from our strikers I don't see how we've got anything to lose by giving Austin a run out. You can't read too much in to his non-league goals, but 4 in 3 reserve games is a good sign. If we go 2 down I reckon he'll be put on straight away, otherwise with 15 minutes to go.

Sure its a gamble but its worth it for the outside chance that we've got the next Simon Cox.

Does anyone actually know what Wilson's half time talks are like?  Will he have stripped the paint from the changing room walls with profanity (doubtful) or will there have been warm words of encouragement (maybe more likely)?

Agreed. We need some sort of gamble because we don't seem to be causing them too many problems.

Strikers warming up.

No idea He comes across very calmly in the post match interviews, but who knows what goes on behind closed doors.

We have Revell, Hutchinson and Tope on loan.  Revell doesn't score much, nor does Hutchinson, Tope spends much of his time in midfield and is month to month on loan.  Paynter and Peacock don't score freely.

So yes, permanently sign a striker by coming up with some dosh, and continue without Hutchinson, Tope, and choose one of Revell and Paynter, and hope that Austin is at least a second choice striker. Peacock is at best a second choice striker/midfielder.  Easton is not getting a fair crack, play him or transfer him.  Timlin apparently isn't first choice, either.  So a striker (even if 200,000 quid from an Afganistan club) and two first choice standard midfielders would appear to make sense.  

Our players without Douglas, and the departure of Coxy are not good enough, even if they show some bottle in the second half.  

    

Only problem with that is,austin seems like a goal poacher rather than an out and out striker if he dont get the service then it's pointless bringing him on and we haven't exactly put any decent balls into the box as of yet.

....Razak scored goals in the reserves. He got 4 in 2!

Dont expect too much from Austin

Blind pessimism?

In fairness to Mr. Cureton, that was exactly the problem when we got relegated under Iffy, plus of course missing the few chances set up for him.

Agree with this

Nothing wrong with a goal poacher, a decent striker needs the knack of being in the right place at the right time - its how players such as Lineker, Owen and even Cox score so many goals. Its what we've been missing, the strikers are seldom in the right place and when they are they manage to miss when scoring would be easier.

Come on, make a change or two.

edit: But not Hutch!

Hutchinson seems to be coming on before Austin. Texts to RS are going to explode.

Not sure anyone is expecting that much from Austin. There is plenty of hope that he's got what it takes, but if he hasn't no one will be surprised or pissed off. I just fail to see how he could possibly be worse than the strikers we've played so far this season.

I remember similar calls for Hazak when he was here and he did nothing.

Hutch???? Oh dear, maybe we will get a reaction after last weeks shambolic performance.

McNamee off???????????? WTF.

And Macca coming off for him. Lordie. On the bright side, Hutchinson is quick, Norwich are not. It could work.

last week Peacock, this week Hutchinson - what has Paynter done to Wilson?!

Raped him.

Thats our chances of a goal well and truly gone.

Now its simply a case of keeping the score down.

He and Easton must have really pissed him off. Oh FFS. Peaks warming up??

2 goals at the Rovers game Dickson (on loan) and Obika (on loan) we have Hutchinson

Austin may be coming on.

Pook's grabbed a goal

Austin's coming on! Still time for a hatrick!

Pook scores for Cheltenham.

Austin coming on, will get booed if he doesnt score.

i'd say macca is faster than hutch...although the speed they both might put a final ball in or finish would be pretty similar

Peacock  :D

I think he was considered well and truly past it by the end of 07/08, I don't have a fucking clue why he is still here.

Pook scores for 'Nam

Austin is stripping

Pooky's just scored fot Cheltnum.

C'mon Stone Cold.

Sounds like we might be about to find out whether Austin can make the step up. No pressure

Austin on, Topi off.

Austin of the Town = Roy of the Rovers? :D

Fingers crossed for the lad, hope its a memorable debut for all the right reasons.

Austin gets the biggest cheer of the game from our fans. Cult hero if nothing else I suppose.

go on charlie, make an entrance!

Yeovils leading Wovers 2-1

Come on Charlie.

Has Austin not scored yet?

I just know Austin is going to score, as I tried putting £20 on him getting the last goal and couldn't find a bookies offering odds.

Nah, he's rubbish. Get rid


:)

You can always email them to get odds not advertised.

I'm all for giving Austin a chance dont get me wrong - but why havent we bought on Billy Paynter?

Sounds like we're at least trying to attack at least.

Lucas J scored too

I'm guessing that when Peacock and Austin come on before you then its safe to assume that you are not really fancied by the manager.

Hutchinson, Austin and Peacock on yet Billy Paynter left on the bench - thats fucking stupid, in my eyes!!

ABB - Anyone But Billy

Half time team talk:

Wilson:  
You cunts can't score and don't battle in midfield.

Shirtliff:  
Good job defence, could have been worse.

Wilson:  
Fuck-off, we've got to score.  If someone hasn't scored by the seventieth minute, Charlie's going on.

Wilson:
Macca, if you're fucked halfway through the half, we'll take you off and lump it.

JPM:
Can I play on the right and get some crosses in.

Wilson:
Fuck off, what the fuck,  I wanted two sugars in this tea not one.

I'm wondering if Paynter has fallen out with Wilson because Wilson was playing him and getting good rewards early on in the season. Wilson was even singing his praises.

Yet he has more goals that Hutchinson, Revell, Peacock and Austin combined so far this season.

Indeed. I'd imagine its Revell in and Paynter out come January. Could be as simple as saving wages of course.


I'm not Danny Wilson, I don't make the subs. If I did he'd be on before Peacock.

Paynter could be carrying a knock,.  I suspect Wilson doesn't fancy Paynter and Easton.  It's only fair on them if they either play or go out on loan. Seems like Revell will be signed, then.

the highlight of today for me is a seemingly drunk fellow trying to get his car out of the car park between our flats and bounce from a ford focus to then do a three point turn and then go straight into an MGF.

deeply worrying

Fuck off Batch we all know it's your fault. And Ralphy.

Yeah, fair point.

Here comes Cureton to put the boot in.

not wilsons signing.a manager will try to justify his own players by getting them on the park.

well, it might not be a total waste of a day.

Someone break that cunts legs.

Have you contacted the police?

I can't believe Austin hasn't scored yet. He's had at least ten minutes. I for one have had it with players not performing. Wilson and Fitton out, etc etc.

Berwick have gone 2-1 up against Civil Service Strollers as well. My weekend's in pieces

i've got the plate number and not contacted the filth as it appears the chap driving has parked up and has come inside the flats

he stalled 3 times moving the car 5 metres, i'm not sure a driving licence has been obtained by the 40 year old chap

 :soapy tit wank: yep. standard.

Fair enough, I'd share your worry if he'd driven off.

He's come to get rid of the witnesses before making a clean escape. There'll be a meat cleaver embedded in your door any minute now

Just woke up after a lovely 40 winks! we getting close? come on town!!!!

So how many chances has Austin had?

No shots on Target, yet at all for Swindon, fuck all shots on target so far.

81    
Foul on Darel Russell (Norwich) by Charlie Austin (Swindon), free kick awarded

pretty much the reason i don't want to grass on someone linked to another resident here...the lady from the flat below saw me n the wife looking at them aghast out of the window

how's the football going?

I think you can perhaps draw your own conclusions from my constructing a Shining-style revenge fantasy around your minor parking mishap.

'Arry's Spurs are 1-0 down at Stoke. Arf.

Swindon are doing their best to force an equaliser with Austin and Hutchinson both involved, although The Robins are still without a shot on target.

No shots on target
Two shots off target
One corner

If we get a point by some miracle, it will be a mugging.

peacock isn't either (this time around) and god knows he's tragically bad these days!

Must be nearly all over?

Full time, no shots on target. Good work lads.

Bugger

A bit like what Wycombe did to us...

At least Ore Cunt didn't score.

People will blame the strikers but it doesn't sound like the whole team has created much today and only 2 or 3 shots all game which isn't good enough.

2 games without Douglas, and 2 defeats.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

Last Minute....





















....we finally got a shot in

I suppose at least we kept them down to 1 and didn't concede a hatful

Off target, don't worry.

...and Barry Corr has just scored for Exeter.

Fuck me...Barry Corr has scored

Shows how important Douglass is as well as the lack of cutting edge. We need to ship out Easton and get somebody in a similar mould to Douglass for cover. Upfront looks like it needs a rethink. Paynter should be playing for me ahead of the rest, send revell and hutch back, get rid of peacock and get a couple of others in, i dont care who. Tope should be playing left ahead of mcnamee, who is too much of a luxury (should of taken the money from norwich).

Barry corr scores in 90th minute. It's not all bad, we'll win next week and beat Norwich in JPT.

start Paynter and Tope and if it doesn't work, try austin. Peacock, Revell and Hutch not good enough.

At least Franchise got beat.

saints starting to worry me, they're back in the mix now.

yeah hopefully. it was the result I expected tbh. Was hoping for a draw but nevermind. I didn't listen to the commentary. Why no/very little shots on goal? Are we missing Douglas that much or was there just a lack of urgency? Were we up for this game?

Agree with most of it, If Timlin isn't the answer, Easton should be given a crack or shipped out.  Paynter should be first choice, or ship him out.  Get rid of Peacock up front, and let him have acrack in midfield. Tope should not be playing left ahead of Macca, he will be gone soon anyway, so he may as well fuck off.  McNamee sets up chances, we just need to balance with more strength in the middle and at left back.  JPM should be playing right, purely because he gets crosses in.

The whole side needs a rethink, it is patched up with loans and Douglas.

Down to 11th, 3 points outside playoffs. Probably a more realistic reflection of how we've been this season than last week's 7th

Mark OD seems to have STFC Bart's Mobile number if anyone wants it :D

Haha, rinsed on the radio.

hahaha, I love Mark OD!

He's laying into some cunt. Fair play.

Mark OD is ace...

We've won as many games this season as we had at this point last season under Malpas.

Ha. He's still having a dig.

That is one depressing stat Dave.

What did Wilson say?

Nothing yet.

I have got to go forward in time to find out.

If you could I would appreciate it

 i'm pretty baffeld by wilsons tactics and selections in the last 3 league matches.

That is the discussion of the day.

It is.

Ok, at least we arent losing as I still think its better to lose 1 and win 1 than draw 2.

The different is only 4 points we're approaching the time Malpas got sacked I cant remember exactly when it was.

We're better than last season (no shit!) i'm trying to claim any differently (believe it or not) but I dont think we are as good as our early season form suggests. We've got 14 goals in 14 games. Simon Cox on his own had 9 I think at this stage last season.

But we are 3 points better off, with the same goal difference.  Wilson needs to turn this around quickly, or he could be heading for the exit.

Going home now. We were alright but just toothless upfront. We didnt look like creating anything at all from midfield. Norwich are a good team and in the first half they put us under pressure. Baffled by Wilson taking Macca off but in fairness to him we looked better when Peacock Austin and Hutchinson came on. Tope and Timlin were shite today.

Sounds about right Rich. Sounded like the performance was ok - just toothless upfront which is incredibly frustrating but we saw it coming 6 months ago!!

i think DW thinks Austin did "Very Well"?

Wilson:
-Sloppy goal given away
-Difference in the last 3rd
-Not delivering and testing their back 4 from wider areas.
-Not producing balls into strikers
-Defended resolutely and well at times
-Put in a good performance except for the goal
-Not worried
-Will continue to work on things and improve
-Tried to stem supply line to Hoolahan (based upon scouting report)
-Didnt react to 2nd ball which led to goal. Luck against us at the moment
-Charlie Austin did well. Put in challenges and did what he was told
-Tranmere: Go there to win. Fine tune areas during the week to stop conceeding.
-Not all doom and gloom from today!

Wilson.....

Silence then, sloppy goal, did well in parts of the game, problem in the last third, defended brilliantly at times against a very good Norwich side.  Let down in the final third.  Ferry had a great game against Hoolahan.

The goal conceded after a corner, didn't react to second ball, bad luck ball hit somebody before it fell for Martin.  Defended well, little bit more in wide areas, could not get ball to the strikers.  Get in great areas, don't get ball in to strikers.

Charle Austin didn't look out of place, first thing he did was taking on the left back and crossed the ball in, challenged the center half well.   If he can do this for 90 minutes, that will be great.

For Tranmere, next week, same approach.  There were good performances out there.

only half heard what it was all about, can anyoen elaborate?

Mark O'D went through a long list of negative texts, and wondered why the autoer of the texts bothered showing up.  There was a discussion that all teams had there moaners who would show up week in and week out.

Charlie Austin interview:

Thoughts going on,.....0ne nil down, couldn't get the result.

Great chance, had some hard challenges when coming on, have to take it to succeed. 

Understand expectations, will do my best.

Need more crossers in the box, just need the strikers in the middle.  Strikers have scored goals before.

Not sure how far it is from first full team appearance, just need to keep doing well.

Sorry, I couldn't help it...........just read some comments on thisis  :rain:

Are we resigned to relegation already then?

Slipping fast apparently.

As DV and I pointed out we're now 3 points better off than last season at the same stage, losing in both cups back to back then did for MM.  Something similar given, if it included a defeat at basket case Tranmere, could do the same for Wilson.  Next Saturday is now massive, we need to avoid defeat at least.

on train on way home, just left stowmarket. First half they totally took the piss. Easily the best team we have played all season. Second half they sat on it, and we did fuck all. For me second half mcgovern was awful didnt want the ball. We really really miss douglas.

Reg.

We all know that yo are not the most optimistic person but you are having a woolly ain't ya.

we do seem to have a good/nasty habbit of sacking/losing managers at this stage of the season. King, Wise, Sturrock, Malpas!!

I dont think Wilson will be sacked anytime soon but a few more defeats and the fans, or rather a section of fans will start to turn.

Get Douglas back and we'll improve, obviously.

However, what have Paynter and Easton done?  Why are we so easy to stop in the final, or is it that we just don't know how to deliver.

Both defeat at Tranmere and out of the JPT are not out of the question.

where are you sat on the train reg? I will come and cheer you up you miserable cunt. Or didnt you bother. Surprise surprise.  cheer  up you miserable fuck wit

I think parts of the misery and pessimism in this thread annoy me more than the loss, which actually i'm fine with. I must remember to avoid match day threads - post loss.

Im with Barry, some need to get a bloody grip!

I really hope you're not being totally sincere there!

I think we all know this season is going to be all about boring mid tableness.

Ha, ha, ha. More chance of you cracking a smile than Wilson getting sacked this season

Managers are never more than a few bad games from the sack...at the moment we don't look a side capable of winning too many games. Mr Fitton hasn't spent 7 mill, to have the piss taken out of him by the FA or Danny Wilson.

Just looked at the stats on the OS.  If they are true we had 55% possession but never had one shot on target!!  They had one shot on target and 11 corners to our 1!  As we seen all season, it is obvious where the problem lays, yet he still persists with that cunt Hutchinson who cannot give a fuck.  I'm with Crozzer on this, what have Easton and Paynter done to be treated like this?

That'll do me.

So what's wrong with the team, assuming no injuries or suspensions:

Lucas
Kevin
Greer
Cuthbert
Callum/LJF
Douglas
Ferry
JPM

most of the team  pretty much pick themselves, with Smith and Morrison available as cover at the back.  A vast improvement on last season.

For the rest of midfield:

Macca, first choice some of the time.
Timlin, second choice
Easton, totally out of favour, lower than third choice
Alan O'Brien, has been injured hard to tell.
Tope, first choice either in midfield or attack, but will return to Bolton soon enough.



For the strikers:

Revell, first choice
Paynter, currently behind Revell at least.
Tope, first choice if not playing on the left of midfield, will be back to Bolton soon enough.
Hutchinson, seems to be in favour at least off the bench.
Peacock, seems to be in favour off the bench.
Austin, did enough today to suggest he will be a squad regular at least.


What's going on in Wilson's head?  The issue today according to Wilson was no penetration in the final third after finding good positions.  In plain English, not enough crosses into the box.  So, with Danny not blaming the strikers, that has to be a problem for the midfield most obviously, right midfield and left midfield.  Interesting that Kennedy wasn't even a sub. suggesting that Timlin would have dropped to left back if anything happened to LJF, and that LJF wasn't expected to be exposed, with Macca on the right.  So the thinking there might be that Macca and LJF/Kennedy on the left are a defensive liability in a 4:4:2 formation.  

So what's going to happen next?  With Wilson not being too bothered about the performance today, I would expect the same line-up against Tranmere.  When Douglas returns, I would expect the usual central three of Douglas, JPM and Ferry to be put back in place, with Macca right and Tope left, with Revell up front.

What happens when Tope returns to Bolton?  Probably, Macca put back on the left, and O'Brien coming on the right with Revell up front.  This might explain why Paynter is out of favour as Revell seems to look more accustomed to the lone role.

If we are chasing the game, a switch from 4:5:1 to 4:4:2, with Austin coming on.


All the above might be a bunch of steaming crap, but I would like to understand where Wilson's tactical thinking is leading the team.  The key player is Macca, I don't think he really fits with what Wilson is up to.  Tope seems to.  Also, where are the goals going to come from?  

Wrong players in the wrong formation- that's what cost us today and what fucked me off. 3 in the middle was wrong from the kickoff yet never got changed. It's the first time I'll blame a defeat on Wilson and shit tactics. We were woeful. Timlin is anonymous, where the hell is Easton?  

I'd say they were more likely to come from Billy Paynter than Charlie Austin, Lee Peacock, Alex Revell or Ben Hutchinson.

...or maybe Tope would score some if he played upfront?

Bit harsh but agree to an extent that we were too narrow with the 4-3-3. Timlin had a total shocker. Macca did whip a few into the box in the first half but other than that there was no threat from the flanks at all.

It was what I was expecting to be honest, we seem lost without Douglas.
A comment heard on the way back to the car "You can see why Swindon are in THAT league, can't you?"
Excuse me - what league are Norwich in then, you twat?

Worst part of the day was encountering a car speeding towards me on the wrong side of the road - thought I was a goner for a split second. :eek:

Playing with Timlin is like playing with 10 men. He's not a League One player, and only an average League Two player at that. I dread everytime he plays, or comes on to 'shore' up the midfield.

We could have gone down 3-0 yesterday. Credit where its due they showed a bit of fight second half and kept themselves in the game. Although I think it would have taken us another 120 minutes for us to get a goal.

Hutchinson is lazy. Peacock is big and slow.

Looking forward to the return of Paynter, Douglas and Macklin.

Two more games before we see Douglas, at least a month for Macklin, Paynter is totally out of favour and will probably be gone in the next transfer window!

Perhaps we need to start singing walking in a Paynter wonderland if we're not looking like scoring. Show Wilson we think it's strange our best striker has been dropped and give Billy a bit of a confidence boost.

Paynter has scored 21 goals in 90 games for Swindon....granted he has a good amount of assists,but strikers arnt judged on assists are they....he hasnt been doing the buisness..i went to Walsall and Exeter and he was shocking in both matches...you cant blame Wilson for trying other options....for what it is worth my view is that we need at least two good proven strikers braught to the club....like Cuthbert and Greer was braught in to defend........and why he keeps persisting with Tope is beyond me,hes done absolute Zilch in away games...ware you would think he would flourish given abit more room.

Well, Emile Heskey seems to have built an international and top flight career on it :)

Overall, wouldn't disagree leefer that Paynter's not a long-term answer as a "main striker" but he deserves better than being left on the bench behind Hutchinson, Revell, Tope, Peacock and Austin. None of them (with the possible exception of Austin who we just don't know about yet) have shown any signs of being a "main striker" either, but Paynter's got a better scoring record. Even if Wilson doesn't fancy starting with him, he at least deserves a place coming off the bench ahead of some of those who are.

He was doing really well at the start of this term when the manager and fans were getting behind him. Take your point he is not an out and out goalscorer but neither are the players keeping him out. He is also our top goalscorer this season so far in all competitions.

Typing that I've just realised I've said exactly the same as Paul D. Oh well :)

My feeling is one of two things Paul....he isnt match fit or carrying a niggling injury...or its just a good old fashioned kick up the ass,hes got to play Tope as hes probably promised Bolton he would(wrong in my view,hes dire).and as for Revell for me hes done ok and has to decide soon whether to buy or not...dont get me wrong Paul i like Billy its that in my opinion we dont play a system to his strengths,so if we dont play to his strenghths theres no point in him playing....its easy to clamour for players coming back in when results are poor but thats just forgetting why they were dropped in the first place.

In the first nine games this season Paynter worked his socks off he also took quite a lot of heavy knocks, Wilson is resting him imo letting him recharge the batteries. He will be back soon he is the best we have.

Yes, and normally I resist such clamour but in this case, other than that he was knackered and needed a rest there wasn't any massively compelling reason why he was dropped. If those who'd come in had been banging them in then fair enough but they haven't and surely Billy's rested by now? Meh, push comes to shove there's a reason why Danny Wilson is a football managed and I'm a software engineer. So I'm loathe to be too critical and prepared to accept there must be something he sees in training or whatever that we don't. But I bet Wilson's load-balancing algorithms are shit :)

Wasn't the hammering I had braced myself for yesterday, but Norwich easily kept us at arms length. Mostly agree with what the majority have said - Peacock, Hutchinson, Revell, Tope - none of them fill me with confidence that they could actually get a goal, but I thought Austin did well when he was on. The crowd calling for his arrival before he was brought on will have put more pressure on him, but I thought he acquitted himself well.

Baffled by taking MacNamee off, especially for Hutchinson. Wes Hoolahan is a diving cunt.

Fair play to the Norwich supporters coach that agreed to take me from Swaffham yesterday as well, doubt I would've made the game (or been very late at least) without them. But never let Whits lead the way on the tube...

Where as Lee Peacock also has 21 town goals in 124 games.

Alex Revell has 19 league goals 104 games.

21 in 90 doesnt look bad from where I'm sitting.

Where as fucking Super Lee Peacock has? Fucking 21 goals in 113 (+21) games. Thats an even worse strike rate, and that cunt is being preferred to my mate Billy!

fucking hell DV you beat me to it

Not from ware ime sitting though Dave...Paynters a good player,ive said that....but hes not consistant enough,agree about Peacock and Revell......Billy is good with an out and out scorer alongside...but on his own....well the stats show you.

the stats show you he is a more effective striker than Peacock, Revell, Hutchison, Tope and Austin!!

He is good with an out and out goal score but it isnt Billy fault we dont fucking have one.

He's our best striker. fact.

Austen looked so much more hungry when he came on, what a month for the lad, the wessex sailing league, to full professional debut at carrow road in front of 25 thousand with 1000 swindon fans singing his name. The bloke must be on cloud 9.

He will be given time as I feel there is a lot of good will flowing his way, i reckon he will be on the bench against tranmere and start against Norwich and woking, i also reckon henshall will be on the bench for the 2 cup ties.

I tend to side with DW on this one...........though why Tope is in the team is a mystery to me.

Wouldn't argue with any of that. Be good to see the lad Henshall

I didnt go yesterday mate, i take it he was fucking useless again?

Not good.....to be fair i was suprised Paynter didnt start....and i think hes carrying a knock as Paul said and that is the reason why .

0 shots on target says different.

0 goals the last 2 games.

6 goals in the last 6 games. 3 scored by defenders

In the past, we have refused loans from higher clubs because the manager could not guarantee the loan player starting (it came up at least once when Andy King was manager).  Clubs aren't going to loan players out to sit on the bench and play in reserve games, unless they are looking to get rid.  So let's look at the old score board:

Revell: Not from a higher club, Southend, probably no understanding to start each game, or at least make an appearance.  Southend appear to want to get rid (comments after the loan was arranged).

Tope: From Premier League club, Bolton, probably obliged to start.  

Ferry: From Celtic, moot point no reason not to start barring injury.

Hutchinson: From Celtic, appears to have to make an appearance, starts or comes off the bench.


What does this mean for Paynter, Revell (assumes a likely future signing), Peacock, and Austin?

For Paynter, he combined well with Cox, obviously, arguably does not combine well with Tope, or Hutchinson, and does not combine well with Revell.  This might explain Paynter being out of favour, as well as not putting the ball in the net, or possibly not following instructions.

Revell gets the nod over Paynter, no one pretended before he arrived that Revell is prolific.

Why play Peacock?  He wins headers, but without crosses and otherwise decent service in the air, obviously he cannot be effective.  

Austin would appear to have the chance to be seriously in contention especially once Tope returns to Bolton.


Let's look at the Macca factor.  Playing a narrow three in midfield and giving Macca a free role was tried and failed under Malpas/Byrne.  But, who else but Macca is getting crosses in?  4:4:2 with Macca on the left doesn't appear to be an option, hence the 4:5:1/4:3:3 approach to ultilise Macca, with Tope on the left and Macca on the right.

This might explain the keep working on it comments.  There has to be a system along with the team selection, and the manager and players for whatever reasons are not making the system work.




 

Will Henshall not be on England duty around the two cup games?

Dunno. You're the anorak, will he?

England Under 16s play their second victory shield game on the 5th.

So I guess not.

Even if there was a clash, if there was a realistic chance of making his first team debut, you'd hope England Yoof would release him; equally if there was no chance of him actually playing, you'd hope we'd make that clear to him so he could go play for his country without a dilemma

He's already played in the FA Cup for Poole, so could very well be cup tied for the Woking game, unless of course the rules are different bearing in mind how far down the pyramid he came from

From what I hear Charlie didn't look out of his depth either so perhaps League One is not as far removed from the Wessex Sailing League as you might think
If the kid Henshall is as good as some clubs seem to think why not get him starting? Oh no, you don't win anything with kids, tho the odd game might not go amiss

I asked wilson about henshall last week, he says he is not physically ready yet for league football, the kid is just 15, dont kid yourself about the dinghy league.

Wilson having a little pop at Macca here?

“We are not really testing their back four enough, and we aren’t getting the balls into areas where we can score.

“We are getting to great areas and then refusing to cross. We want to do a little pirouette or dance over ball, and that doesn’t help the strikers

The most creative and skilful players are always the first to get it when results go against you-its the English way.

It is obviously disappointing that our unbeaten run has ended so abruptly

So says Gordon Greer in his Captains blog.Has anyone heard of an unbeaten run ending gradually?

it doesn't help macnamee due to the fact he is completely inefective off the ball.
if we are up against it, he is a complete waste of space

Agreed...hes been a big disapointment to me this season...but its early yet and lets hope he comes good.

he is a good player and can be a potent weapon,but too often he has no impact.he aint gonna win anything in the air and is not going to have any effect in defensive duties.
if we are in control and taking the game to teams then he's worth playing.the current sit bcak defensive approach means he's wasted in the side.

Yep...i always thaught he would be good away from home on the break.

january could be interesting if norwich come back in for him.

I always thought that the master plan of signing Charlie Mulgrew was all about Macca.  Sort out left back, and Macca will be sorted.

I went on Saturday but couldn't really be bothered to comment until now, I just didn't understand the tactics at all we were a mess all over the park.
I don't know whether anyone else has commented on it but why the hell were we playing the diamond in Midfield?........Macca attacking midfield, McGovern Narrow Right, Timlin Narrow Left and Ferry (who's weak and 5ft nothing) the holding/defensive man at the back. They aren't the right mix of players to even think of attempting to play the diamond so why do it Wilson, you can't play a diamond without a proper defensive midfielder can you!? It meant we had no width at all and left our full backs horribly exposed especially JFL as Timlin is so slow that that my gran could out run him. I really do think that Timlin is an utter waste of space, he's a liability with his recklass challenges and he won't even dare touch the ball with his right foot, he is possibly the most one footed pro I've ever seen.
Then to make things even more bizarre Wilsons first sub is to take of McNamee and bring on Hutchinson........but still persist with the bloody diamond playing Hutchinson (who is so lazy it's unbelievable) in the attacking midfield position.
When it comes to tactics at the moment DW really has lost the plot it seems and the Paynter situation is just bizarre as Peacock is now a joke of a player unfortunately.

I felt a bit sorry for tope in the first half, I counted 6 occasions when he made fantastic runs behind the defence when mcgovern/timlin/ferry had the ball and they never once tried the ball over the top to him.

Tope will probably go on to have an OK career, he's just playing in a team devoid of any creativity or attacking threat at the moment. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't at the tbh; if he waits for someone to create a chance for him he won't get a touch of the ball all game as noone in our team seems capable of that killer pass, and if he tries to create things for himself he'll either mess up and look an idiot or get into a promising position with no support. Because no ones creating anything for him, he seems to be doing things he wouldn't normally do and overdoing things.

I was hoping Ferry would be the player to bring this to our side. Unfortunately on what i've seen he's too slow to release the ball (much like the rest of our team). Against Hartlepool even Revell was making decent runs only to be caught offside due to the midfields lack of fluidity.

Can I also point out that for the norwich goal Lucas and Lescinel were caught out of position. Norwich took a quick corner and at the time Lucas was patting Lescinel on the head and telling him how well he had done to clear the corner.

True enough...but it was highly flukey.

Maybe they didn't pass to Tope because they knew he'd run it to the byline then feign a pass / cross in order to do nothing else and let the ball go out of play like he does every time?

Do we stick the JPT thread on the end of this one to make the longest ever match day thread?

Would that work?

The match tonight is the other way around ie. at the county ground and its a totally differernt competition.

Ah well, does it matter? It would be a very long thread.

The match is next Tuesday, so if you go to the CG tonight, you'd be very lonely !!

 :-[

Oh yes - all the talk of the game made me think it was tonight!

Phew, you had me worried for a second there Langers. I thought I was going to miss it.

Yeh sorry about that, crozzer did the same to me! Whenever i hear talk of a game, i think its being played soon

Have to admit, thought the JPT was this week.

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