Sheffield United v Swindon Town Official Matchday Thread

[suttonred]

I reckon yes, and they've offered free tickets for home games, but everyone declined..

[tans]

Tactics Tim gave a great post match interview

[Peter Venkman]

Tactics Tim gave a great post match interview

He did, he played a blinder, said it how it is, pulled no punches, not a single word of a lie came out of his mouth to the media.

[Batch]

Tactics Tim gave a great post match interview

not a single word came out of his mouth to the media.

fixed it for you.

botched appointment if you ask me, obviously forgiven if he pulls a rabbit,  a striker, a couple of defenders and a midfield general out the hat in January.

[Peter Venkman]

botched appointment if you ask me, obviously forgiven if he pulls a rabbit,  a striker, a couple of defenders and a midfield general out the hat in January.

You don't want much

[tans]

not a single word came out of his mouth to the media.

fixed it for you.

botched appointment if you ask me, obviously forgiven if he pulls a rabbit,  a striker, a couple of defenders and a midfield general out the hat in January.

And we stay up

[Costanza]

I think we'd give any new manager the benefit of the doubt until they esembled their own squad.

...but this sort of is Tim's squad (including Luke Williams)... I think... I dunno.

This is silly.

[DiV]

Spot on PV, just a bit of effort will make a huge difference (look at Charlie Henry)

The thing that worries me about this group is what does relegation actually mean to them.
Those on loan just go back to their parent clubs.
Those that are decent will get a move somewhere else

They need a coach/manager to instill some pride if they don't have it themselves, I fear we have neither

Relegation means nothing to anyone other than the fans.

I could suggest the perfect manager for installing some pride but we didn't like him either...

[singingiiiffy]

Relegation means nothing to anyone other than the fans.

I could suggest the perfect manager for installing some pride but we didn't like him either...

Surely as young players- higher division, higher wages, ambitions for success, threat of being released and not finding another club means that relegation would matter to them. Maybe as a collection they just aren't good enough! Some young players would blossom in a decent team, these are all much the same and the lack of experience and leadership in the team is simply too much to make them work as a team

[DiV]

Surely as young players- higher division, higher wages, ambitions for success, threat of being released and not finding another club means that relegation would matter to them. Maybe as a collection they just aren't good enough! Some young players would blossom in a decent team, these are all much the same and the lack of experience and leadership in the team is simply too much to make them work as a team

I'm no expert but I cant imagine the wages fluctuate that much in the bottom two divisions. I bet there are L2 clubs paying players more than we do.
Plus, how relegation effects their wages depends on their contract. If it's expiring they can probabLy go else where for the same money (if not more) and a signing on fee. If their contract isn't expiring then they'd be on the same wages as the previous season.
If they're contract is expirng and we are releasing them - then staying up wouldn't have changed that decision.

Shit manager, shit players, inexperienced players, no leaders, no mental strength are all the ingredients for relegation. I'm amazed there are still teams below us.

[Ells]

I'm no expert but I cant imagine the wages fluctuate that much in the bottom two divisions. I bet there are L2 clubs paying players more than we do.
Plus, how relegation effects their wages depends on their contract. If it's expiring they can probabLy go else where for the same money (if not more) and a signing on fee. If their contract isn't expiring then they'd be on the same wages as the previous season.
If they're contract is expirng and we are releasing them - then staying up wouldn't have changed that decision.

Shit manager, shit players, inexperienced players, no leaders, no mental strength are all the ingredients for relegation. I'm amazed there are still teams below us.

Who is the manager?

[Batch]

I think we'd give any new manager the benefit of the doubt until they esembled their own squad.

...but this sort of is Tim's squad (including Luke Williams)... I think... I dunno.

This is silly.

I'm not judging him on results/squad, that's stupid. like you say - not his squad. Even after January hell need time to change things long term.

What I am judging him on is his lack of public  involvement. Behind the scenes he may well do everything. In the public eye though he may as well not be here.

To me this was a chance to start again and unite and engage a rapidly disinterested fanbase. To get that new manager effect both on and off the field. To communicate new ideas and give a bit of hope. This I feel is an important step, particularly as results aren't going to flip to brilliant overnight.  People point out the atmosphere at the CG is a bit crap and toxic, yet we waste an opportunity of a temporary respite.

But nothing seems to have changed. We still get Williams trotted out spouting the same stuff about what went wrong that nobody believes he can influence change over.

That's why I think it's thus far a bodged appointment. And yes I , and I suspect the wider fan base, are fickle enough to proclaim it a genius move when we start moving up the table

[Batch]

Oh and DV - I looked up wages the other day in relation to the EFL futures BS.

In 2011 average was about 38K L2, 74K L1 and 200K Championship. Doubt its changed much

Not sure our own wage structure follows "average" mind.

[Posh Red]

The more I think about it the more I think that Sherwood 's appointment hasn't actually changed anything

It has been suggested by Power & Williams that he was around the club before he was appointed, and the fact he's here with no contract makes me think the idea was just to take the pressure off Williams as he didn't really want to be manager.

I'd guess he was available to Williams for advice (including team selection) before

[tans]

I think it was just announced as a lever to keep the fans on side as they were getting grumpy