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I'm a bit miffed that Maurice would rather play Peacock up front then Paynter, but then maybe that's reading too much into it.

Although, on the otherside at least it should mean Easton and Timlin in the centre.

Peacock did OK up front when he returned to playing up there but Paynter must not be happy...

Means we won't be looking for another striker then

So thats peacock,corr,paynter the big men up front i would be amazed if they got 20 goals between the 3 of them to be honest.

I really do not see why he offered Peacock a contract to be honest

Whatever next Roberts back up front when he returns from injury?

Then that'll be two strikers who seem to have a phobia of scoring goals.

He offered him a contract when he was a midfielder then said he dont rate him as one?

Paynter and Peacock are both fucking carthorses, I'd be pretty annoyed if either of them get in the starting eleven if everyones fit come August.

Be quiet Dave, Paynter is a good player for this division...

Paynter has never scored more than 13 goals in a season.

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Let's hope Coxy can make up for LP's shortcomings.

Paynter a good player for this division?  

Played 23 (13)  Goals  8

following 5 in 1st 6 games (against the shite that was gills and Bornmuff at home)

Then scored 4 in 33 (ok a decent percentage of those were as sub, but still.....)

Peacock was good when shifted back up front, he wins headers and works harder than billy boy.  He looked lost at times in midfield, and offered very little in terms of creativity.

Pook's staying then

I still maintain he is. If he played an entire season up front with Cox, i would put money on them scoring 35-40 goals between them.

So would I but 30 of them will come from Cox

Where's that post with the nomination of "deluded poster of the year" in it???

 :wink:

Peacock would struggle to get into double figures, and that'd leave Cox a lot to do!!

(Although I do believe this I really wouldn't mind Lee P proving me wrong!!)

I was referring to a Paynter/Cox partnership, Jan!

Oh were you?? I thought you were talking about the cock!!  Oh fair enough, well in that case I'd say there'd be a good chance of that happening, 12-15 goals from Billy, 22-27 from Cox, that's achievable.

to be fair to peacock, he does score us some crucial goals

when?

The games hes scored in for us:

4-2 win Vs bournmouth
1-1 Draw Vs hartlepool
1-0 win Vs Hartlepool
2-0 win Vs chester (x2)
1-1 draw Vs accrington
3-0 win Vs grimsby
2-1 defeat Vs macclesfield
2-1 win Vs wycombe
1-0 win Vs Franchise
2-0 Win Vs Maclsefield
3-2 win Vs lincoln
2-1 win Vs luton
2-1 defeat Vs port vale
2-1 Defeat Vs leeds
2-2 draw Vs oldham
3-0 win vs oldham
6-0 win vs port vale

i make that 17 points he's won us. not bad for a non-goalscorer

Not really crucial though Dave

Agreed. It's not like we needed those 17 points  :?

I'm sure somebody will happily come in and point out that somebody elsein that position would have done equally well if not better, but Paynter, Corr and Sturrock have all failed to do that.

Peacock scored 2 more goals than Sturrock last season of course goals are important but they were not "crucial" .Sturrock against Forest Green could be seen as crucial shall we keep him aswell.Easton scored 6 goals last year shall we chuck him up front aswell.

Peacock this time last year himself said he is not a striker anymore

The point is Dave justified his claim by saying Peacock got us 17 points. I haven't checked but I'm pretty sure Blair didn't. You have to consider that Peacock scored a lot of those from midfield aswell

Ok lets say they were crucial then. I still maintain Peacock will not score the goals that will give us a promotion push

Obviously thats just my opinion

I always thought you liked the cock............... 8)

I am tempted to agree. I think it will depend who we bring into midfield, especially on the right wing. We need to play the right way if Peacock is going to score goals. If teh tactic is Jamie Vincent banging it into the corner for him to chase we have no chance

Actually R4e, this season he got us a massive 3 points using your logic.  Hardly an achievement to rave about!

Agree reeves we need a winger simalar to mcnamee and a decent left back.

Herthab i have heard i can file a sexuall harrasment case against you even if it is on the net.

You are probably right. Trouble is Paynter wont either.  And in the contest of the Strikers who dont score enough Peacock contributes more to the team in general, through ariel ability and work rate.

I'd fancy corrs chances more than the other 2 if he could stay fit for most of a season, which he wont.

proof that all peacocks interviews are bollocks imo.

as for a striker, if thats where malpas sees him then fine but we wont be doing anything in the league imo if thats the option up front.
we need guaranteed goals, and with our current forward options i aint filled with much hope.
i bet the tickets office doors are getting beaten down with people demanding season tickets.NOT!
we need new bodys if we are going to push on and progress.the current lot, if not added to, will remain a mid table side.
its alright getting the books balanced but the team on show is the product on offer.if its shit then people wont want to buy into it.its that simple

I love the way everyone is already pre-judging Lee Peacock's performances.

how amny games has he already played?hardly pre judging

How many games has he played up front for us?

too many

Count them

no

I am judging him on previous performances Si and what he has publicly said himself

Then shut up. Peacock played 6 games up front and scored 3 goals. 50% aint bad.

Then shut up. Peacock played 6 games up front and scored 3 goals. 50% aint bad.

I thought he looked useful at the end of the season, certainly seemed a goal threat.

I just think it's a bit harsh to criticise a player in a position he has not played in for a long long time (save the last few games).

he says what he has to at the time don.

the way i see it is we either play as a tight unit, leak few goals and grind out wins.
 malpas has stated he wants to pass the ball meaning thats out.
so to me that means we will need to score goals to progress.peacock isn't clinical enough to bag the necessary amount imo.
he is a good utility squad player who could do a fill in job almost anywhere.but an out and out forward with a progressive club i dont think is the way forward at all.

all this will be doing payneter confidence the world of good aswell.he's on a hiding to nothing as i see it.
paynter and blair will not feature alot as i see it at this current time.corr is all down to his fitness

Swansea went up ok with just one decent goalscorer.

Oh wait, Doncaster and Forest had an abundence strikers who could put away 15-20 a season too.

The argument that you need two strikers that can get 15-20 goals each is rubbish in my opinion. It got us close a few years back but Brighton proved that a team which leaks as many as it scores is beatable.

So we will have Sturrock, Cox, Peacock, Paynter, Corr & Joyce battling for 2 positions.

Personally I prefered Peacock in midfield, I thought next season he would really take to the position, he has never been a prolific scorer throughout his career and that is why Sturrock moved him into midfield as he has that sort of personalilty that has an  positive effect on the team and is a hard grafter.

I think a front 2 of Corr & Cox will get us the 30 + goals required next season

look at their goal ratios compared to ours.big difference!
its all about balance.and you cant really compare fairly by other teams anyway.
they are all different to us.you would have to go player for player to do that fairly imo.did those teams have other players who got a few?

the facts are that goals win games, peacock will get a few for sure.but i cannot see a significant rise from him or the other players goal tallys to push us on.

factually incorrect. so maybe your own advice should be taken?

In that case let's stop passing the buck to one player and realise as it stands, we're not good enough as a team, Peacock up front  or in midfield.

I agree I would like to see the frontline improved, but I would also like to see our full back positions, centre midfield, backup for left midfield and also our right midfield positions improved. Why focus on Peacock? Malpas is clearly trying to create competition amongst the players because he is trying to get the best out of what we have got. Is that a bad thing? I think it's actually a good thing.

Bryne has also said we're chasing players but they hae to be the right ones to get 6000 season ticket holders through the gates. I agree with him. We need to get the best from what we've got and get some quality additions in that will make us go from a middling-good team to a really good team. We're not a million miles away but there is some way to go in terms of going for promotion, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen this year.

Even thinking Corr will play is really wishful thinking so don't understand why people keep mentioning him.

i agree with most of your post above.

but with respect the thread is about peacock, hence why we are taliking about him.and i'm certainly not passing the buck to him.

Because he's a Swindon Town player who's currently out injured, he's not dead or anything Edna!

Indeed, and IF he could make 30ish starts in a season I'd rate him as our 2nd best Striker.

With our current strikeforce including peacock we finished 13th that is a fact so it proves that its not good enough does it not

Don't forget Cox didn't play for some of the season. It'll be crucial he can keep fit. We're all assuming that Peacock will start too, I think Malpas will play the form players rather than the names, unless us bunch of whining cunt fans start getting on his back when we draw our first game 0-0.

Right, quick look at last seasons stats

Lee Peacock, 6 goals

Barry Corr, 5 goals

Billy Paynter, 10 goals

6+5+10=21

be amazed!

He's been currently injured for about 2 years, we can keep hoping he may come back and be amazing but lets face it throughout his career he has done exactly the same and thats why Wednesday got rid, we should cut our losses and look for someone else.

Aaprt from when he played at Mansfield and those seasons at City where he got between 15 and 20 goals each year.

I think this is all a smoke-screen talking about Peacock going upfront ... if we are going to progress we need another striker from elsewhere and two more midfield players ....

As soon as we offload Paynter or Corr another striker will sign, pretty confident about that.

.....and finishing 13th was purely down to our striker force?

A quick look at the league table will tell you we were actually the joint highest scoring team at home with 41 goals (the same as Leeds United)

Away from home we didnt score as many, only 22......

So I dont think our strikers are the problem, more so our away form is what kept us back in 13th, which wasnt a bad finish by any means

I am not saying 13th is not good I am saying our team which includes our strikeforce was not good enough for a higher finish last season.

Paynter,peacock are good players if that is the position you want to finish what I am trying to say is I personally do not not think they are good enough to get you a play off position.I will say the same about Vincent,aljofree,jack smith and mcgovern also.

The other point I was trying to make was I do not understand why Malpas offered him a contract when he was a midfielder only to say weeks later he does not rate him in that position.Peacock has proved me wrong before and I hope he does again but I just don’t think he will

3-4 players who improve what we have already should see us mount a challenge for the play offs.but these would have to come here and be first team regulars imo.
and anything other than a play off attempt would be a poor season imo.
the lot we have got us so far.some of them, and a few new players arte needed to step it up a notch.

Whilst I understand the need to progress forward, I think in some cases our players are being horribly under estimated.

Yes we finished 13th, which to me is a good finish. Better than I expected at the start of the season (I wont go on about the adver, delusion and the play offs)

Again, like last season and the season before we changed manager part way through and that a clear effect on the players, the style of play and the results.

It takes a while for a manager to put his stamp on the team, get them playing his system and get them used to his training methods etc etc.

I think our current squad with NO EXTRA additions is easily capable of a top 8 finish, no doubt about it. As long as we keep the same manager through out the season and we dont chop and change AGAIN.

Of course I'd like to see one or two extra players bought in (right winger and two left backs) but the likes of Peacock, Paynter, Aljofree & McGovern are good enough for this level.

I know its in the past not, but Peacock was a main stay and one of the top scorers in a good Bristol City side that always finished top 3. Payner was part of that Port Vale team that finished 7th and very nearly got a play off spot. Aljofree was in a League winning team and JPM has also got promoted out of this division.

Personally I think our current crop of strikers are more than good enough to score goals, they did last season all of them. Some more so than others.....but still Cox got 16, Paynter got 10, Peacock got 6 and Corr got 5 despite hardly playing. Plus you hope next season with McNamee in the team all season we'd a more creative team anyway.

One thing I *think* we have in our favour this season is we've released about 4/5 players and I dont think we'll bring many in. Most teams are releasing 9/10 players and will bring in about 14 more. Teams in this league arent consistent and teams dont tend to stay together very long.

Yeovil finished in the play offs the previous season and were close to the drop this season. Walsall were in the play offs most of this season and you watch, they will be right at the bottom next season

I think we are only a minimum of 3 players short of a team and squad capable of pushing the top 6.

Again, just my opinion but we dont need to and shouldnt change too much. Keep plugging away and hope the last 6 games of the season was the 'true' Malpas team.

Last season was a good season and most of players played their part and did a good job of it, bit more consistency this term and we'll do alright I reckon.

fucking hell thats a bit positive DV

I mainly agree though. We do have some players who who've got talent but we've not seen the best of this season (yes, you JPM) and with a few quailty additions in the right areas we could be in with a shout of the play offs with a few games left.

Man for man the current squad stands up to the king-era play off squad. When you look back its amazing we did so well really as we had some right shitty players on our books then as well as the obvious quality ones. some played almost every game. *Cough* Hewlett

I agree with Dan. Sadly.

I've always claimed to be a realist   :wink:

No, we're in good shape for the first time in years both on and off the pitch, good reason to be positive if you ask me!

Like you said, the likes of JPM (and other...) have the talent but it isnt on display often enough.....now I do wonder is that down to the player himself or maybe the managers training methods or is it sheer luck in some cases, confidence? the teams pattern of play.

My only worry, well less of a worry and more of a 'hope' I guess.....is that the last 6 games wasnt a fluke, wasnt other teams not having much to play for and the last 6 games really were the games after the Sturrock/Malpas transistion period was over because we finished the season pretty well both in terms of results and performances.

Also, that King squad had Griemink, Gurney, Viveash, Reeves, Junior Lewis, Hewlett and Heywood  :shock: you do look back and wonder how we did so well

Hewlett was very good that season.

How many did Mitchell score in 92/93?  That team had goals from all areas, and that is the real challenge, not concentrating our efforts on getting a few extra goals from position (one where the support strikers added together for the past couple of seasons have reached around 15-20 in total anyway).

With another player or two able to produce like McNamee we will be far better served that getting in a striker (probably at some cost) who gets limited service.  Peacock showe plenty in the last few games to suggest that with decent service and a solid midfield he could forger a PARTNERSHIP with Cox.  For 2 seasons, when he has been upfront, it's not been with an out and out goalscorer like Cox, or with a solid central midfield or two reall creative players in the team (Zaaboub and Roberts generally created for themselves).

Overall, I'd be comfortable with our strikers as is, provided we get that improvement needed elsewhere.  If we find a decent forward then it's a bonus.  Get two players in like Comminges at full backs and someone else a bit like McNamee on the right and I think we'll be well set.

Hewlett was rubbish every season. What did he do after he left us? Helped get Torquay relegated out the league. He scored a cracker v Notts County that season. But any player who tackles with his arms is cack. Rubbish.

One thing King did know, and always tried to do, was have your two best players up front. I dont know if Peacock fits that bill anymore. He doesnt scare defenses. He's not lethal. I liked him in midfield. He's tough, full of running, strong, good header. But Malpas likes more ball players in the middle. Cox/Corr is our best strike partnership, returning to Paynter/Cox when Corr gets injured.

I do agree that man for man we have a very good team. But I think we will be susceptable to poor runs of form next season. Probably have bad one for the whole of september which will rule us out. Always happens with inexperienced managers and it did take Malpas a long time to sort out lazy players in march of this last season.