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Geoff Thomas
Carltob Palmer

Michael Ricketts

Steve Bull

Colin Kazim-Richards

John Barnes way over rated.

Racist.

Tony Daley.

I cant be i dont support millwall  :D

Frannie Jeffers gets my vote. christ were we ever THAT desparate!

Winner.

There must be hundreds of them:
These are my top ten waste of spacers that I can remember.
1 Carlton Palmer
2 Michael Ricketts
3 Geoff Thomas
4 Steve Guppy
5 David Hirst
6 Neil Ruddock
7 Michael Gray
8 Dave Beasant
9 Gary Birtles
10 Mike Duxbury

Nicky Butt

Pele once said Nicky Butt was the best player at the world cup finals, oh well, what does he know about football?

Paul Konchesky.
Phil Neville.

Pele said an African team would win the World Cup by the the turn of the century. What's your point?

A little harsh Hirst never got a fair crack.

Danny Mills

I wasn't trying to make a point Si - I just remember that remark from Pele so well and your post just reminded me again and made me chuckle.

The other nine ok?

To add to the mix a few not mentioned, as pretty much all the above were attrocious except John Barnes IMO.

Stuart Downing
Scott Carson
Lee Dixon
Phil Neville
Gary Neville (I know a lot of people rate him but I think hes totally shit)
Steve Howey
Brian Deane
Gavin McCann
Paul Stewart
Steve Guppy
Keith Curle
David May

Ah fair enough, I thought you were trying to point out Butt ws a good player and not that Pele makes amusing throwaway comments to the media :)

Seth Johnson, Michael Ball and Anthony Gardner.

Bit harsh on Fanny Jeffers. He is England Under 21s leading goal scorer of all time.
13 goals in 16 games is probably worth a punt at international level.

Correct

Zat Knight.

Kieran Richardson

some of those are a bit harsh, Scott Carson, Zat Knight and even Downing - at the time they were playing well in the premiership and deserved a call up. OK they may have been 5th or 6th choice due to injury, but they still deserved a go. Knight will be a squad regular before too long, and Carson at least got McLaren the sack !

Really?  How many centre backs would need long term injuries for this to happen?  Or are you expecting and sudden dramatic improvement from a 29 year old?

Downing is harsh though.

some of those metioned were-are quality footballers.
infact only a handfull of names i'd be inclined to agree with.

Rio Ferdinand and Mark Barham

David Nugent
I agree with Gary Neville, i think he is shit
Gavin McCann wasnt great

Haha I fucking knew you would say Rio.

Chris Powell, Alan Thompson, Andy Hinchcliffe

Talking of bad international players, Kevin Kilbane has just received his 100th cap!

Gary Bailey was the most useless goalkeeper ever - I think he made only 1 appearance and i was there to see it.
I'm suprrised nobody has mentioned Steve Foster - twat - end of.
David Nugent is a good shout.
Out of the current lot then John Terry is our weakest link.,

Behave.

2 Appearances, 1 against Eire (which I went to as well if thats the game you were thinking of Chalkie) and 1 against Mexico.

He was dire!

Andy Gray

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Just over a year after this cap he was on loan at (a very good) Swindon side.

Going back to my Wembley attending youth
Roger Hunt
he was rubbish

I'm with adje, Ferdinand is wank, all emporer's new clothes.

I watched England games where Carlton Palmer was England's best player! I think Palmer suffered double. He suffered like Kevin Watson at Swindon, because he was a midfielder in a bad team who would take the ball on. He also suffered like Crouch for being lanky and awkward to watch, when he could be quite effective. Admittedly he was never international standard though.

Dave Beasant is also a bit harsh, he was a top flight keeper for a long time.

You have to divide it between one cap wonders and regular first team players. Recently the inclusion of Micheal Ricketts was an absolute joke. I would say that Tony Daley is the worst England player who got multiple England caps, he was an England regular at one time. Taylor also used to pick players like Lee Sharpe and Neil Webb who couldnt get in Man United's team.

OK then. List your top 5 English centre backs that play every week.

Very few players play every week,but I would choose King,Upson,Cahill,Terry and Huddlestone

Huddlestone hasn't played centreback regularly for years. Surely Turner or Shawcross even ahead of him?

Kings cant train and barely can ever play.
Upson is just average.
Cahill looks a hell of a prospect and will push the first choice 2 close in next few years.
Terry is a dead cert to start.
Huddlestone is laughable nowhere near the squad as defender or midfielder.

Whether you will like it or not Rio is our best choice and one of the best in the world, yes hes had a mixed start to the season but when you have injuries and are in and out of a team then you find it hard to maintain consistency.  Before this recent patch he was one of the most consistent performers during Capellos time so much so that Fabio considered him strong contender for the captaincy.

I was at Wembley when the famous "shot to cornerflag" took place  :). We still beat France 2-0 thanks to Mr Lineker and Mr Shearer.

Rio Ferdinand is a cert for South Africa. Doesn't mean he's world class though. He's very, very good footballer but world class? No, I don't think he is. When I think of world class defenders past and present Rio Ferdinand doesn't fit into the list.

At one time, earlier in his career, Rio Ferdinand was very overrated.

But over the last 4 years he has proven the plaudits right. Fantastic defender.

I would struggle to name 10 better centre backs in the world than him so does that not make him world class?

Ferdinand is prone to the odd error, but he's the best we've got to partner Terry. Upson is technically a very good defender, but he lacks experience at the highest level.

There's 200 odd countries in the world so presumably if he's in the top 200 he's world class.

There really aren't that many top notch centre backs around in the world today, Spain get along with Marchena and Puyol. Marchena is just a thug, and Puyol is alright but I'd probably take Terry and Ferdinand (prior to the last few months) over him.

The present Rio Ferdinand is shit, fuck only knows what is going on inside his head. But at one point maybe 18 months or so ago he was easily one of the top centre backs in the world. He's made more class a fuck ups in the last 12 months than he made in the previous 5 years.

I reckon Capello should have told him he was shit and dropped him until he sorts it out.

Nostalgia gets in the way a bit because even the best made/make mistakes but it's clouded by all the good stuff they've done. However, I do think Rio Ferdinand is prone to errors too often... He's not had enough of those matches, especially at international level, where we look back and say "Ferdinand was immense that day".

I believe he should be both in the England squad and the England first eleven because he's very good and there isn't a stand-out player who can compete with for that place just yet. If only there was competition for him because maybe he wouldn't make such errors?

Ferdinand needs to learn that his legacy can't be secured because he's on £100,000 a week (or whatever) and has a good collection of medals - he needs consistancy and more career defining performances.

I happy to concede that there are several stand-out performances he might have had already but I'm not a West Ham/Leeds United/Manchester United fan so wouldn't really know, watching England I've seen solid displays but nothing to make me feel comfortable, especially against the better nations.

I dont think its last 12 months at all, way over board.  I think the start of this season and only that before that he was one of the most consistent performers in Cappellos teams.  He has struggled with injuries over a period now so think that effects physical and mental sharpness, will be interesting to see if he starts playing regular whether all the mistakes will then cut out.

the thing that annoys me about ferdinand is when ever england or manu score a goal he is always first to the goalscorer. every fucking time! surely as a defender he should be at the other end of the pitch but no, fucking rio is there. you watch in future and i will be proved right time and time again.

The thing that annoyed me with Ferdinand was that god awful programme he made a few years back, 'You've Been Merked'? or some such shit. Absolutely dire.

After subjecting us to that he should have never played for England again.

I don't think anyone could argue with this. I recall he slated Match of the Day for poor "banter" - while although many would argue that he may have a point I later saw him interview Tynchy Stryder for something and I've never listened to such mundane, monotonous "banter" from an interviewer in all my life.

No, that'd be international class.

I've not got much to add, but Ferdinand is a shoe-in to partner Terry.  No-one has yet come up with a convincing replacement.  I know he has made a few mistakes, but Upson is not in the same class.  The only one who would come close, if he had some knees, is Ledley King.  But he doesn't, so Ferdinand it is.

Haha I was chatting to someone about that on the night of the game. Sadly the memory of the show lives strong.

Whilst Terry is a dead cert to start the whole heart on his sleeve things really grates with me. He gets all the plaudits for throwing himself into last minute tackles all the time, this does seem to deflect attention from the fact that it is his mistakes and/or bad positioning that makes them necessary.

Rio is good, but sometimes thinks he is better than he is and thats half the problem.

Its a bit of a myth that Ferdinand has "only just started to make errors"-in the unsuccessful Euro 2008 campaign he was consistently poor,especially Croatia away.Always has been and still is overrated in my opinion.

Same question to you then, top 5 English centre backs that play every week.

Unlike the other retard that "answered" my question you can't have Tom Huddlestone or Ledley King because they don't play every week.

ferdinand despite making mistakes shouldn't be anywhere near this list.

Terry, Upson, Lescott, Cahill, King and Davies.

Of course King doesnt play much but is a good player when he does. Although he's not going to play for England.

Curtis Davies is out injured but as come on well at Villa.

Dunno why I even answered this because Ferdinand is actually still better than those lot. He's the wrong side of 30 now and he has had alot of injuries in the last year. Injuries effect players, short term he is still rusty. He makes mistakes but I find me a defender who doesnt.

If his injuries persist I wouldnt be suprised if he called it quits after the World Cup.

That "retard" WAS me you cunt

Mycah Richards is quality...just needs to grow up abit and realise how lucky he is.

:D

And your top 5 is laughable. Love him or loathe him, Rio is one of the two best English centre backs in the world. He has been for a while now.

Are there really 5 good English centre backs playing every week in the premiership ? the 2 that have tried to name them, have both included King, and isn't Curtis Davis Welsh ? (Apologies if this is total bollocks).

My top 5 would have to be Terry, Ferdinand, Upson, Lescott & Knight. When Rio gets bored of internationals in a couple of years time and retires, it doesn't leave much back up. Cahill looks a good prospect but has to prove himself yet at Premisership level let alone international and even Lescott is very prone to fuck ups. God help us in 2014

Good (Not world class) English CB apart from Terry and Rio: Cahill, Davies, Turner, Lescott, Upson (in no particular order)

Knight is well down the list.

Upson -  I just don't get it with this guy. Never international quality for me.

IMHO  - Rio and Terry are our best options. neither are flawless but they are the best we have.

If they ever get fit, you can add in King, Woodgate and at a push Dawson to that list, as well as Shawcross at Stoke, Mancienne, Jagielka once he's back... Realistically, we have plenty of good quality Premiership defenders, which of them can step up to International level remains to be seen.

when fit in no particular order the top 5 are.
king,terry,woodgate,ferdinand,carragher.

Michael Ricketts

Carlton Palmer should never have played for England,

Michael Ricketts, how he ever got capped is remarkable.