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Title: Mourinho
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:19:30
Has apparently resigned, according to 5live

 :shock:


Title: Mourinho
Post by: yeo on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:28:42
:shock:

Shame I like him.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: axs on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:29:14
takes the last bit of fun out of the premiership if its true.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: axs on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:30:47
and this very useful link has come up on the bbc

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7003912.stm


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:32:08
Mourinho's coming here as he wants to work with his Portuguese friends.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Rich Pullen on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:35:12
Like him or not - he's a loss to the Premiership.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: axs on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:35:58
the mind games were funny at times, he really got to ferguson and wenger and benitez on occassion.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:38:21
Sturrock to Chelsea. Just heard it on five live  :o


Title: Mourinho
Post by: axs on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:39:19
knew that was coming, bart told me.

sorry - didn't mean to offend, i take it all back.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Rich Pullen on Wednesday, September 19, 2007, 23:59:07
Quote from: "axs"
knew that was coming, bart told me.

sorry - didn't mean to offend, i take it all back.


What? He told me that Mourinho had signed a new 10 year deal!


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 00:00:29
Apparently confirmed by a senior executive at Chelsea to SSN that he was sacked.  :shock:

Who needs Paul Sturrocko
We've got Mourinho.

Oh wait, that's not right.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 00:01:38
Quote from: "Batch"
Apparently confirmed by a senior executive at Chelsea to SSN that he was sacked.  :shock:

Who needs Paul Sturrocko
We've got Mourinho.

Oh wait, that's not right.


Cue messy "divorce".


Title: Mourinho
Post by: axs on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 00:07:12
brilliantly this was posted on bbc just before the other story about him getting sacked

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7000301.stm


Title: Mourinho
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 00:34:09
Breaking News

'Mourinho Sacked By Chelsea Billionaire'
Updated: 01:22, Thursday September 20, 2007

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho has been sacked following a bust-up with billionaire owner Roman Abramovich, according to reports.
 
'Chelsea boss leaves London club'There has been speculation over his future after a string of lacklustre performances.

The "Special One" is said to have sent text messages to John Terry, Frank Lampard and Didier Drogba wishing them "good luck in the rest of your career" and saying he was leaving the club this morning.

The reports follow the Blues' disappointing Champions League draw at home to Norwegian minnows Rosenborg on Tuesday.

There has been no confirmation yet from the club.

The 44-year-old is said to have been frustrated for some time with the perceived interference of Abramovich in team affairs.

 
'Frank Lampard and John Terry were sent text messages'Mourinho was unhappy with the £30m arrival of Andrei Shevchenko, a striker much admired by the Russian owner.

Abramovich walked out early from Chelsea's 2-0 defeat at Aston Villa earlier this season, and he will not have enjoyed Tuesday's poor result.

Mourinho refused to blame his strikers after Rosenborg held Chelsea's millionaires to a 1-1 draw.

But the Portuguese coach was clearly frustrated and alarmed by his team's failure to score more than one goal against the Norwegians even though they created a hatful of opportunities.

Mourinho declared after the match: "Of course I am alarmed. I am not happy. We cannot score goals.

"I am disappointed but the history of the game was simple, we had 20 chances and scored one goal. So maybe we need 40 chances to score two - and 60 to score three."


Title: Mourinho
Post by: yeo on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 00:40:53
Ive emailed Talk Sport to say hes coming here 8)


Title: Mourinho
Post by: pumbaa on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 00:48:03
Mourinho to Spurs. You heard it here first.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: yeo on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 00:49:40
Parted company "by mutual consent"


Title: Mourinho
Post by: yeo on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 00:57:08
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
Ive emailed Talk Sport to say hes coming here 8)



They read it out :soapy tit wank:

Nigel Pearson poo pooed the idea and said it was tongue in cheek :x


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Spud on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 00:58:50
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
Ive emailed Talk Sport to say hes coming here 8)



They read it out :soapy tit wank:

Nigel Pearson poo pooed the idea and said it was tongue in cheek :x


 :soapy tit wank:

FAO Nigel Pearson.....WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 06:24:43
Portuguese consortium, who knows he may come hear :wink:


Title: Mourinho
Post by: land_of_bo on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 06:53:12
Next England manager...


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 06:57:55
Just goes to show, that a decent manager can't work, when owners and sporting directors are sticking their noses in.

   Could the delay inthe meeting with Sturrock over clarity, be because of haggling over buying out Sturrock's contract?

  The Sheff Wed job would suit all parties, got to be coming up soon.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: neville w on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 07:30:24
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Just goes to show, that a decent manager can't work, when owners and sporting directors are sticking their noses in.

   Could the delay inthe meeting with Sturrock over clarity, be because of haggling over buying out Sturrock's contract?

  The Sheff Wed job would suit all parties, got to be coming up soon.


The delay could be in negotiating a settlement for Brevett ..

Why on earth would Sturrock want to go to a club with zero points after six games, albeit in a higher league ? Surely Notts Forest would be more likely ?  

PS I'm not convinced he'll be here for much longer mind


Title: Mourinho
Post by: neville w on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 07:30:51
Wise and Poyet to Chelsea - you heard it here first


Title: Mourinho
Post by: redbullzeye on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 07:34:08
Quote from: "neville w"
Wise and Poyet to Chelsea - you heard it here first
 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: that would shaft Ken Bates.  More likely to be Hiddink


Title: Mourinho
Post by: red macca on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 07:43:13
Good he was starting to bore me, klinsman to chelsea then


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 07:46:43
I heard a little rumour it was the israeli, can't remember his name, at the club, a close friend of abromvich's (sp?). Mourinho told him to stay out of first team affairs...


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 07:58:15
Quote from: "Sippo"
I heard a little rumour it was the israeli, can't remember his name, at the club, a close friend of abromvich's (sp?). Mourinho told him to stay out of first team affairs...


Avi Grant


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Lumps on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 08:14:08
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Just goes to show, that a decent manager can't work, when owners and sporting directors are sticking their noses in.

   Could the delay inthe meeting with Sturrock over clarity, be because of haggling over buying out Sturrock's contract?

  The Sheff Wed job would suit all parties, got to be coming up soon.


There is NO FUCKING WAY that Lugs will go back to the Wendies as long as Dave Allen's in charge up here. Allen sacked him at this stage of last season having given him minimal support in the transfer market during the summer; at a time when half his bloody squad was out injured and he was unable to field a sinlge forward player, and he was still picking up points.

He shot his mouth off about needing someone with the experience to take the team forward and upward and promptly appointed Brian bloody Laws, who's been given money to spend, has a fit squad and not one single point.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Scot Munroe on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 09:13:27
Didier Deschamps for Chelsea?


Title: Mourinho
Post by: janaage on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 09:46:59
Quote from: "pumbaa"
Mourinho to Spurs. You heard it here first.


No I didn't I heard that this morning on SSN.  Some bloke text in saying that.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Scot Munroe on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 09:57:14
Quote from: "janaage"
Quote from: "pumbaa"
Mourinho to Spurs. You heard it here first.


No I didn't I heard that this morning on SSN.  Some bloke text in saying that.


I saw that aswell. He was going to go to spurs before Chelsea swooped in and nabbed him first.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 09:57:55
Got to be coming here - after all he's "like the Jose Mourinho of football management"  :D


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Luci on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 10:53:16
Can't believe that within 24 hours Mourinho is gone and Grant is announced as new Manager.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 10:55:30
Stop gap until Hiddink is available?

Quote of the day (Pat Nevin)
Quote

"Avram Grant is going to be as welcome as Camilla at Diana's memorial. "


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Luci on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 10:58:20
For the sake of CFC then I hope it is a stop gap.

Could it also be part of the reason Lampard refused to sign a new contract until this season was over?


Title: Mourinho
Post by: janaage on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 11:04:30
I'd love it if it all goes pear shaped at Chelsea and they return to the mid table and relegation times of the 80's.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 11:06:22
Quote from: "janaage"
I'd love it if it all goes pear shaped at Chelsea and they return to the mid table and relegation times of the 80's.


Reading some of the comments on the Chelsea rivals site last night so would some of them.

"enjoyed time in the sun.....can we have our Chelsea back now..".

Football fans eh?!


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 13:06:35
chelsea fans will be protesting this evening :soapy tit wank:
24,000 for a champions league game :soapy tit wank:
a couple of draws and the fans stay away and their most succesfull manager gets sacked :soapy tit wank:
ridiculous


Title: Mourinho
Post by: pumbaa on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 13:07:28
Quote from: "janaage"
Quote from: "pumbaa"
Mourinho to Spurs. You heard it here first.


No I didn't I heard that this morning on SSN.  Some bloke text in saying that.


I posted that last night numb nuts. That tache must be affecting your power of thought  :mrgreen:


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 13:11:19
Quote from: "pumbaa"
Quote from: "janaage"
Quote from: "pumbaa"
Mourinho to Spurs. You heard it here first.


No I didn't I heard that this morning on SSN.  Some bloke text in saying that.


I posted that last night numb nuts. That tache must be affecting your power of thought  :mrgreen:


Yes but he heard it on Sky sports before reading that, so he still didn't hear it here first ;)


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Sussex on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 13:11:45
Chelsea release new aftershave..







You go Boss.

(sorry)  :|


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Luci on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 13:12:19
That actually made me smile Sussex  :D


Title: Mourinho
Post by: pumbaa on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 13:15:49
Quote from: "Batch"
Quote from: "pumbaa"
Quote from: "janaage"
Quote from: "pumbaa"
Mourinho to Spurs. You heard it here first.


No I didn't I heard that this morning on SSN.  Some bloke text in saying that.


I posted that last night numb nuts. That tache must be affecting your power of thought  :mrgreen:


Yes but he heard it on Sky sports before reading that, so he still didn't hear it here first ;)


Should have logged on here before watching Sky Sports then. Pffffttt  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Mourinho
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 14:04:11
If they've sacked him then that is truly ridiculous. If he's chosen or agreed to leave it is much more understandable.

Fair play to the real Chelsea fans who are fed up of the glory hunters who've jumped on the bandwagon, their club has basically been prostituted (for want of a better word) to plastics and they want it back. It's the 9-year-olds who walk around Swindon in Chelsea shirts that piss me off!


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Sussex on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 14:11:56
:o  I'm sure he'll get over it..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7004780.stm


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 14:22:55
I bet he will end up at Bayern at the end of the season, unless part of the severance deal is that he cannot get another job until the contract would have run out


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Luci on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 14:25:54
Quote
Chelsea have confirmed that Mourinho's backroom staff have also left the club, including assistant managers Baltemar Brito and Rui Faria.

Head opposition scout Andre Villas and goalkeeping coach Silvino Louro have also departed Stamford Bridge.


Just goes to show that this does a lot.  manager goes, backroom staff go.  I wonder who they'll get into to replace them.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 14:36:59
England should really try and get Mourinho to replace Steve McClaren now, McClaren is inevitably going to be sacked sooner or later anyway so why wait until euro 2008 has finished.

Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at Real Madrid next time they have one of their twice yearly manager changes.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: neville w on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 15:18:56
Quote from: "Batch"
Quote from: "pumbaa"
Quote from: "janaage"
Quote from: "pumbaa"
Mourinho to Spurs. You heard it here first.


No I didn't I heard that this morning on SSN.  Some bloke text in saying that.


I posted that last night numb nuts. That tache must be affecting your power of thought  :mrgreen:


Yes but he heard it on Sky sports before reading that, so he still didn't hear it here first ;)


***PEDANT ALERT***Technically speaking he didn't 'hear' it  here at all  ***PEDANT ALERT***


Title: Mourinho
Post by: neville w on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 15:21:57
Quote from: "Batch"
Quote from: "janaage"
I'd love it if it all goes pear shaped at Chelsea and they return to the mid table and relegation times of the 80's.


Reading some of the comments on the Chelsea rivals site last night so would some of them.

"enjoyed time in the sun.....can we have our Chelsea back now..".

Football fans eh?!


I believe they're trying to sign Hubris, a Greek, on loan for the rest of the season


Title: Mourinho
Post by: land_of_bo on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 15:57:31
If he was reportedly on 5.2mil a year and had 3 years of his contract left, why would his severance package be 25mil ?


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Northern Red on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 15:57:42
Quote from: "janaage"
I'd love it if it all goes pear shaped at Chelsea and they return to the mid table and relegation times of the 80's.

And cue Bates selling Leeds, buying Chelsea and installing Wise as the manager.

I wonder what odds I'd get on that happening within 5 years....


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 16:03:07
Quote from: "Lumps"
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Just goes to show, that a decent manager can't work, when owners and sporting directors are sticking their noses in.

   Could the delay inthe meeting with Sturrock over clarity, be because of haggling over buying out Sturrock's contract?

  The Sheff Wed job would suit all parties, got to be coming up soon.


There is NO FUCKING WAY that Lugs will go back to the Wendies as long as Dave Allen's in charge up here. Allen sacked him at this stage of last season having given him minimal support in the transfer market during the summer; at a time when half his bloody squad was out injured and he was unable to field a sinlge forward player, and he was still picking up points.

He shot his mouth off about needing someone with the experience to take the team forward and upward and promptly appointed Brian bloody Laws, who's been given money to spend, has a fit squad and not one single point.


  I wouldn't bet on it.....Sturrock has a clause in his contract that if Wendies come knocking his 18 month lock in, is null and void.  This would suit the whoever might be the Board at STFC, no need to pay up, before installing their yes man.

  Allen could save some face, by getting back a man popular with the fans to stay up this season....Sturrock could get out of teh impossible job that he currently finds at STFC, and probabaly negotiate an improved deal.

  Whoever might be the Board could claim it wasn't them that drove Sturrock out, he wanted to go...see contract.

  Everybody is happy...especially Rufus, when installed as yes man.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: STFCBird on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 16:37:16
Quote from: "Sussex"
Chelsea release new aftershave..







You go Boss.

(sorry)  :|


If I'd have told you that joke you would have told me it was fucking awful  :roll:


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 17:13:26
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
England should really try and get Mourinho to replace Steve McClaren now, McClaren is inevitably going to be sacked sooner or later anyway so why wait until euro 2008 has finished.

Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at Real Madrid next time they have one of their twice yearly manager changes.


he'll be doing something with portugal fa.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Sussex on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 17:15:35
The way SSN are going on about it, you'd think he'd fucking died!


Title: Mourinho
Post by: STFCBird on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 17:16:38
Maybe your joke will kill him


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 17:43:53
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Quote from: "Lumps"
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Just goes to show, that a decent manager can't work, when owners and sporting directors are sticking their noses in.

   Could the delay inthe meeting with Sturrock over clarity, be because of haggling over buying out Sturrock's contract?

  The Sheff Wed job would suit all parties, got to be coming up soon.


There is NO FUCKING WAY that Lugs will go back to the Wendies as long as Dave Allen's in charge up here. Allen sacked him at this stage of last season having given him minimal support in the transfer market during the summer; at a time when half his bloody squad was out injured and he was unable to field a sinlge forward player, and he was still picking up points.

He shot his mouth off about needing someone with the experience to take the team forward and upward and promptly appointed Brian bloody Laws, who's been given money to spend, has a fit squad and not one single point.


  I wouldn't bet on it.....Sturrock has a clause in his contract that if Wendies come knocking his 18 month lock in, is null and void.  This would suit the whoever might be the Board at STFC, no need to pay up, before installing their yes man.

  Allen could save some face, by getting back a man popular with the fans to stay up this season....Sturrock could get out of teh impossible job that he currently finds at STFC, and probabaly negotiate an improved deal.

  Whoever might be the Board could claim it wasn't them that drove Sturrock out, he wanted to go...see contract.

  Everybody is happy...especially Rufus, when installed as yes man.


Reg, do you suffer hypertension by any chance!?! ;)

If that clause is accurate - then I would imagine it would be on the basis that Allen had left the club. I cannot see Sturrock playing happy-families with the guy.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 17:44:28
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Quote from: "Lumps"
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Just goes to show, that a decent manager can't work, when owners and sporting directors are sticking their noses in.

   Could the delay inthe meeting with Sturrock over clarity, be because of haggling over buying out Sturrock's contract?

  The Sheff Wed job would suit all parties, got to be coming up soon.


There is NO FUCKING WAY that Lugs will go back to the Wendies as long as Dave Allen's in charge up here. Allen sacked him at this stage of last season having given him minimal support in the transfer market during the summer; at a time when half his bloody squad was out injured and he was unable to field a sinlge forward player, and he was still picking up points.

He shot his mouth off about needing someone with the experience to take the team forward and upward and promptly appointed Brian bloody Laws, who's been given money to spend, has a fit squad and not one single point.


  I wouldn't bet on it.....Sturrock has a clause in his contract that if Wendies come knocking his 18 month lock in, is null and void.  This would suit the whoever might be the Board at STFC, no need to pay up, before installing their yes man.

  Allen could save some face, by getting back a man popular with the fans to stay up this season....Sturrock could get out of teh impossible job that he currently finds at STFC, and probabaly negotiate an improved deal.

  Whoever might be the Board could claim it wasn't them that drove Sturrock out, he wanted to go...see contract.

  Everybody is happy...especially Rufus, when installed as yes man.


Reg, do you suffer hypertension by any chance!?! ;)

If that clause is accurate - then I would imagine it would be on the basis that Allen had left the club. I cannot see Sturrock playing happy-families with the guy.

A return to Plymouth however....


Title: Mourinho
Post by: lebowski on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 19:31:11
i was under the impression that plymouth fans love holloway even more than they did sturrock?


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 19:51:56
Quote from: "lebowski"
i was under the impression that plymouth fans love holloway even more than they did sturrock?


You're right, they probably do.

But if Holloway was to leave tomorrow I'd be worried they'd want P.S. back as I'm told Sturrock gets along well with the Plymouth chairman... The major difference between them and Wednesday.

Anywho - I don't think Sturrock will return to Hillsborough and I can't help but think a return to any team as a manager is a bad idea.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: pumbaa on Thursday, September 20, 2007, 21:01:53
Quote from: "Rich Pullen"
Quote from: "lebowski"
i was under the impression that plymouth fans love holloway even more than they did sturrock?


You're right, they probably do.

But if Holloway was to leave tomorrow I'd be worried they'd want P.S. back as I'm told Sturrock gets along well with the Plymouth chairman... The major difference between them and Wednesday.

Anywho - I don't think Sturrock will return to Hillsborough and I can't help but think a return to any team as a manager is a bad idea.


Evidence based on Andy King's return, per chance?


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, September 21, 2007, 06:33:27
Funnly enough the other time Steve Clarke took caretaker charge was at Newcastle when Gullit got the sack. His first (and only game) was Man Utd away - they lost 1-5


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Boeta on Friday, September 21, 2007, 10:21:27
it's impossible to compare cross-eras but i'll stick my neck out and say mourinho is the best manager ever. then wenger second

two different footballing philiosophies but amazingly executed


Title: Mourinho
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, September 21, 2007, 10:45:58
Alex Ferguson?


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, September 21, 2007, 10:56:47
Quote from: "Boeta"
it's impossible to compare cross-eras but i'll stick my neck out and say mourinho is the best manager ever. then wenger second

two different footballing philiosophies but amazingly executed


You best wind your neck back in then son. There's no doubting that Mourinho and Wenger are good managers, but the best ever? Behave!


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:05:03
Wenger is overrated IMHO. Good, but not in the same league as Fergie.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:10:22
Quote from: "Batch"
Wenger is overrated IMHO. Good, but not in the same league as Fergie.


I agree he is good, but to be in the top bracket you have to win the CL


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Boeta on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:15:08
i think ferguson is very much a reactor to the players he has and then develops a style around them. great qualities undoubtedly

but mourinho and wenger have real footballing philosophies and look for things in players beyond the obvious because they want people to buy into their philosophy and system

and to pull that off is the ideal of management in any walk of life, let alone in such a temperamental multi-million pound industry


Title: Mourinho
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:16:07
Quote from: "Boeta"
it's impossible to compare cross-eras but i'll stick my neck out and say mourinho is the best manager ever. then wenger second

two different footballing philiosophies but amazingly executed


I would say Mourinho's Chelsea management era is over rated at best.  He was given bucket loads of cash and should have done much better IMO.  Just because he was so much in peoples face his impact gets over emphasised.  

He managed Chelsea like he was still managing Porto they would nick a goal then try and see it out. I can understand why Roman was pissed off with it, they had an entertainment value of zero.  Piece of advice for Jose in the future if you have loads of great attacking players at your disposal don't try and stifle them just go out and try to murder teams by 4 or 5.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Sippo on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:20:57
Surely results come first then entertainment??


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Boeta on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:24:47
if ambramovich wanted entertainment you get a man who's philosophy is technique and style - wenger

if you want results you get a man who's philosophies are completely results driven and therefore an emphasis on rigidity, losing your instinct for the good of the team and risk minimisation, then you get mourinho

you cannot ask someone to be someone they are not

mourinho's footballing principles are that that he will never have a really aesthetically pleasing team


Title: Mourinho
Post by: red macca on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:26:42
Quote from: "Sippo"
Surely results come first then entertainment??
Usually they do hence why he got the sack/resigned apart from the cups which were no doubt bottom of the list they did not really win much last year.

The players he has signed are players who have ability to play good football but his style of play is not desugned for the players he signed. Look at porto he needs hard workers and not fancy dans to be able to achieve what he wants.Thats my opinion anyway


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Arriba on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:37:57
wengers the best imo.look at how he extended the careers of adams,bould,keown ect.
the fella balances the books brilliantly too.with the players he buys and sells.the football arsenal play is the best in britian on the eye aswell.
would fergie and mourinho have had the success without the open cheque books they've had?


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Boeta on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:47:40
Quote from: "arriba"
wengers the best imo.look at how he extended the careers of adams,bould,keown ect.
the fella balances the books brilliantly too.with the players he buys and sells.the football arsenal play is the best in britian on the eye aswell.
would fergie and mourinho have had the success without the open cheque books they've had?

i think they've proven that the answer is yes given their successes at aberdeen and porto respectively


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Arriba on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:52:40
aberdeen was a differrent era.and granted mourinho did a great job with porto.of course they are both fantastic managers.i just think wenger edges it over both of them.look at the way he pays peanuts for a player makes them great and has their best years out of them,then flogs them for a profit.the blokes a chairmans dream.
i dont know what he'd be like if money were no object though


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:55:12
Yes Wenger's amazing, just look at all those trophies he's won in the last two years, hmm.... But hang on he did guide them all the way up to the dizzy heights of 4th in the league although that took a lot of luck. Of course he hasn't had much money to spend either, I mean the last time they won the league they only had the second highest turnover in the league! How does he do it on these shoestring budgets. Best manager ever obv.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: red macca on Friday, September 21, 2007, 11:58:06
mourinho done well last year ben did he ?


Title: Mourinho
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, September 21, 2007, 12:15:19
I agree with some of the sentiments regarding Wenger he has done amazing bringing through so many kids and making them stars but I really cant see them going the distance this season, once they have some injuries and a big run of fixtures there squad wont be strong enough and that may lead to another season without a trophy.

I believe Wenger is too one dimensional he only wants to sign players he can develop.  The arsenal board claim to have substantial funds available for him to sign players so IMO he should spend big on a couple of world class players and they will be able to sustain a challenge on all fronts for the season.  For example if Fabregas gets injured they will be bringing in a Diaby, Flamini or Diarra who would have nowhere near the same impact as him.

Back to the Mourinho debate people claiming results are more important is probably right but when you have the attacking players he had at his disposal Wright Phillips, Robben (till this year), Duff (till last year) Malouda, Joe Cole all players that looked fantastic for former clubs or even for there countries when given the freedom to attack but when playing for Chelsea they didn't look the same, didn't meet the same standards.  When players like Jo Cole used skill he was furious he didn't do the simple things.  IMO results are important but it is possible to win in style, just look at Man U last season.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 21, 2007, 12:28:02
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
I believe Wenger is too one dimensional he only wants to sign players he can develop.  The arsenal board claim to have substantial funds available for him to sign players so IMO he should spend big on a couple of world class players and they will be able to sustain a challenge on all fronts for the season.  For example if Fabregas gets injured they will be bringing in a Diaby, Flamini or Diarra who would have nowhere near the same impact as him.


Don't forget Denilson, that lad's pretty damn good, and has the same sort of style to Fabregas.  I think Arsenal are now much more equipped to deal with a couple of key injuries than they were when they were 'invincible'.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, September 21, 2007, 12:34:33
Quote from: "Kinky Tom"
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
I believe Wenger is too one dimensional he only wants to sign players he can develop.  The arsenal board claim to have substantial funds available for him to sign players so IMO he should spend big on a couple of world class players and they will be able to sustain a challenge on all fronts for the season.  For example if Fabregas gets injured they will be bringing in a Diaby, Flamini or Diarra who would have nowhere near the same impact as him.


Don't forget Denilson, that lad's pretty damn good, and has the same sort of style to Fabregas.  I think Arsenal are now much more equipped to deal with a couple of key injuries than they were when they were 'invincible'.


I did actually forget about Denilson and as you say hes definitely the best ball playing midfielder they have in reserve.  I think there good I just don't think they will be good enough to see the season through and take the title.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 21, 2007, 12:38:33
Indeed, the title may well be beyond them but I think they'll still be in with a shout quite late on.  

Imagine if they kept going, as well as Liverpool - it would be great to have a tussle between them for the Prem.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Arriba on Friday, September 21, 2007, 12:40:44
nobody gave arsenal a chance before the season started.at least now they are seen as challengers.injurys could play a major part in their season though.and at centre back they have a lack of options


Title: Mourinho
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, September 21, 2007, 12:41:12
Quote from: "Kinky Tom"
Indeed, the title may well be beyond them but I think they'll still be in with a shout quite late on.  

Imagine if they kept going, as well as Liverpool - it would be great to have a tussle between them for the Prem.


It would be a quality watch if a few teams can stay in contention to the end.  I am not a big fan of the Spanish league but they did have an exciting end to last year going into last 2 games 4 teams could still win the league and then even on  the last day 3 teams could still win it, that would be great viewing if the premiership was the same.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, September 21, 2007, 13:02:04
I find it impossible to say who is THE BEST EVER, as there have been so many great managers all with different styles.

If you look at Mourinho and Wenger, you have to also look at Fergie. Then there's Brian Clough who did amazing things as a manager. There's Ramsay, and dare I say it, even Eriksson had a great record before he became the England boss.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, September 21, 2007, 13:07:48
Sam Allen is the greatest manager ever. Think he used to live in Kent Road. I wonder if it was my house.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 21, 2007, 13:20:43
Harry Redknapp is a better manager than Wenger easy.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 21, 2007, 13:29:28
Come on Ben, if Harry had the Arsenal job he'd never have won a title with them.  Wenger's won plenty of trophies and in some style.


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Arriba on Friday, September 21, 2007, 14:13:23
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Harry Redknapp is a better manager than Wenger easy.
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
tell us another.my sides are splitting


Title: Mourinho
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Friday, September 21, 2007, 14:13:57
How do you know, he's won plenty of titles before, I think he'd probably have won about 5 titles and two champions league's if he'd been at Arsenal for 10 years with Wenger's resources. He got Portsmouth to finish in the top half of the table for this first time ever and took West Ham to fifth with no monies. If he was at a big club the world would be his ostrich.

I'm not saying Redknapp's better than Mourinho, Benitez or even Ferguson but he's better than Wenger.