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So here we go again.

Cheltenham haven't won since December..........

[edit] Happy Ben?

Until tonight!!

From their last 10 games they have 1 point out of a possible 30 (obviously), conceding 29 goals........

I hope we go attacking from the off.

Swindon 4/6
Draw 12/5
Cheltenham 10/3

Even the bookies aren't that confident.

Must win game, especially given those statistics. I guess there's always a chance we'll get too complacent. The senior pros need to keep that in check.

Perhaps it is time the senior pros were forgotten about, at least those who don't seem to give a shit, and get some youngsters in - those who want to impress.

First I think we should unleash someone like Lloyd Macklin on them and see how he does, but then I'm reminded how important this game is....

Sooooooo, play someone like Macklin :D

They also have conceded 84 goals in all competitions, one of the worst in the whole football league.

We don't go with trends Edmunds - We buck them :)

That was my initial reaction too. But who do you play? Macca, Kanu, Allen, Pook etc. have all been criticised for not being good enough. Don't think that will change too much. If nobody wants to impress at this point then they're a waste of space. The whole team should be busting a gut. I do believe that players like Peacock, even when not playing, can have an influence on the rest of the team.

I actually think the players will be up for this one. Tuesday night matches are usually drab but I've got a feeling we're in for an exciting game and the players will go for a weakened prey.

Think I'd start Macca ahead of Kanu and bring him on as a later substitute - his directness may actually prove more fruitful at that point. Wilson also needs to consider what to do up front, Peacock doesn't work there.

ATTACK ATTACK, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!!!!

Cant argue with that. Tinpots defence is even more porus that ours was under Malpas so we need to go for the jugular straight from kick off.

I had a dream that it ended 0-0, and we were all left saying "Now blah blah blah is a must win game", which was annoing.

Hopefully it will be more like the time we stuffed Port Vale :)

Surely pretty much everybody is agreement that anything else other than a victory is a failure?

Today will ultimately prove if our players really do give a shit. This game is massive in so many ways. We HAVE to win, we have Franchise, Colchester, and Leeds after. So it's vital we get the 3 points tonight. I would like to see Timlin boss the midfield like he did in the second half against Scunthorpe, and McNamee starting from the off. We have to attack these poor bastards.

We have to win against them, there are no options, a draw is not good enough, they are the worst team in the league on a bad run and conceded shed loads of goals.

But

They are a bogey team for us and a local derby (despite what some fans think!).

We have to attack from the off and play with a very attacking team and not hoof balls in to the box all the time, run at their fullbacks take them on get the crosses in for Paynter and Cox and they will score.

If we just hoof it thats meat and drink for a Martin Allen team, they will lap it up and hit us on the break and snatch a winner.

I didn't realise that Lloyd Owusu had buggered off to Brighton for the rest of the season until this morning.  He is one that has been a pain in the arse in the past so good riddance, until we play Brighton at least.

Clean sheet would be nice!

And Westwood, thier best defender on loan from Peterborough went back this morning (or after todays game) depending on which web site you read.

Im coming up for this courtesy of Adje travel, so this is my first midweek game for ages. so therefore we will lose 0-1.

Come on you fuckers lets 'av em.

I hope their morale is through the floor rather than being galvanised.

Brez
Vincent
Smith/amankwah
ifil
greer
macca
kanu
Timlin
allen
paynter
cox

i would go with that team but have a feeling peacock may play in the middle.

I would go with that team apart from Chrissy Allen....whether Peacock or Kanyuka or Easton in his place.

Otherwise it looks attacking, maybe more attacking with Awankman in instead of Smith.

Kanyuka and peacock are 50/50 so may well see Easton tonight, and i suspect as someone mentioned on another thread that robson-kanu, has a must playunless injured clause in the loan deal, tonight may well prove/disprove that theory.

Could you not just fucking stay where you are? This is getting to the sphincter tightening end of the season and, rationalist though I am, I'm prepared to grasp at any straw that might keep us afloat. If that means a self confessed jinx making the sacrifice of missing the game and settling down in front of Heston's Victorean Feast instead then that's what should happen.

I have a terrible feeling about tonight...

Don't go then...

I haven't seen us lose this season.

I'm going tonight, oh dear.

We are going to storm it 4-0

Piece of piss. Last time I saw cheltnum mid week I got banned :)

what for? if you don't mind saying...

See! You've really put the mockers on it now ya fucker!

We're doooooooooomed!

Easton is injured at the mo according to the story on thisis.

if we dont win tonight we're as good as down...

we need to go all out and attack and once we score one we need a second, then a third then I might feel a bit easier about the game.

its really a no win situation tonight. if we win, well we were expected to anyway. if we lose....fucking hell....

Im so taking my Heat magazine tonight

I didnt bother last Tuesday and my whole row was like "wheres your magazine?" Im kinda famous for it now plus I like watching middle aged men reading about what shoes Posh has been seen in this week!

if i don't go tonight, we'll win comfortably. if i do go, we'll play terribly and lose convincingly.

and i can't afford to go unless someone gives me a free ticket, so a win it is...

Agreed.  We always fall into that trap when playing teams we perceive to be worse than we are - keep hoofing it long and wonder why we are always under pressure.   

Shall I bring my 442 for you?  At least it is then topical!

Erm, Posh is married to a footballer - how is that not topical?

:D

we should win tonight with relative ease.3 vital points, but we wont really be able to read much into the performance, as cheltenham are by far the worst side in the league.
if we draw, or god forbid lose then i think we will be relegated.i fear that if we dont batter them from the off, the crowd could turn on the players.

I read my dads last week but thanks anyway! Heat came with a free mag today so more to read

Oh - umm can I have some guidance - is it going to be too cold for leggings? I dont wanna wear jeans as they dont really go with what Im wearing... hmm decsions - OR I could take some form of blanker to put over my legs - or is that boardering grannyish?

If McNamee does not start tonight I will display my annoyance in "boo" form

Does it really matter if your jeans don't 'go' with anything else? It's only a game of football...

What time are people getting to the pub? Anyone going for about 5?

It matters to me!!

It's raining, which I take to be a bad thing against a hoof ball Allen team.

But I'm staying positive, 3-0 win at least.

Im wrapping right up tonight and i may bring a flask as i feel the early stages of man flu coming! This one is too important to miss!

Of course it matters, Its only a game of football? look smart think smart. scruffy cunts. mods rule.

whoop!  leggings and freezing to death it is then!

Oh and JFW, you got some ear muffs i can borrow!? :)

I'll be there about 5.20. Fred's getting there for about 5.

Leggings like these?

http://showbiz.sky.com/whose-butt-is-this-2

The game is going to be so tense! Anything but a win and we're in deep deep shit........at the moment i see us as just 'in shit'. A win will be such a boost goin into the MK Mongs game.

COME ON SWINDON!!!!!! PLEASE DON'T FUCK THIS UP!

Cool I was about to text him, I'd almost forgotten I'd bumped into him yesterday.

There you have it folks, JFW, on Heat.

umm yes Bob my leggings are like that but Ive covered my camels hoof!!

Dan - you can borrow the pink ones as Im wearing the black ones

We need to attack, I'd like to see Peacock in the middle as his energy is infectious sometimes even if he can only play 70 mins, I also wonder if it is worth a change up front leave Paynter on the bench and start Razak and put Macca & Kanu on either wings.

We have to worry about defending as well though as if we let 'nam go a goal up they will probably build a wall in front of their goal as they will be so desperate and just defend for the rest of the game...and we know what we get like when we have to try and break down an 11 man wall

im worried pink will clash with my red swindon shirt ;)

Wear the away one!

the whole cheltenham squad are up for sale

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/cheltenham_town/7921390.stm

Just throwing it out there - leggings & jeans, wear them both,twice as warm. or you can just change what your wearing to suit being warm :nod:

So Cheltenham are:

- Bottom of the league
- Winless since December
- 1 point from a possible 30
- Loaned out 2 of their best players and one loanee has gone back to his club
- All been put up for sale and will be extremely low on confidence

We're bound to lose.

Shop Window Syndrome will probably come out tonight in abundance.

Had a text from a mate who supports Nam. He reckons this will be the easiest 3 points we get all season and if we don't win it by a country mile "then your lot want shooting". We should go not just for a win but a morale-boosting Port Vale style spankathon

How can they sell players outside the transfer window?

Yet I still have this bad feeling.

Pre-contract agreements, i.e You play for Cheltenham 'til the end of the season, don't get injured and we'll sign you on June 1st.

Im liking your thinking

  Or rest of season loan with pre arranged fee in the summer.

If transfers can be pre-agreed this way why aren't more done this way so most players movements are pre-decided before the actual window? Is it cos it works in players favour to have the rush of deadline day to drive prices up?

We gotta win.

If we lose im going to drop the nut on one of those Swindon.com blokes outside the Town End....."So how do you feel about losing to that shite!?".

Bang!

they are done all the time, loan with a view to a permanent move....

3-0. I'm working tonight, which makes it worse. I hate not being there.

See the below link it covers the Nasri pre-contract agreement.

http://youngguns.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/nasri-has-pre-contract-agreement-to-join-arsenal/

It is very common, normally when players are out of contract in the summer that follows the transfer window, the player gets his club and the club signing him gets the player.

Hopefully Greer.

well no because hes out of contract in the summer, so we wouldnt need to buy him. We can offer him a contract now as he's got under 6 months left.

So we could agree a pre-contract agreement like Comminges and Cardiff last season.

So Doncaster have no right to sign him 1st even if they wanted to?

as far as I understand he's a free agent in the summer and if we offer him a contract starting July 1st (going on his running out June 30th which is all a bit FM but likely to be accurate) and he signs the pre contract agreement to say he will join us when his current contract runs out then Doncaster cant do much about it.

If they want to keep him they'd have to offer him a contract before he signed another one from another club.

I think

Good news here..... Cheltenham have barely any healthy players, whole squad is up for sale...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/cheltenham_town/7921390.stm

Oh with the Wind Brezovan's kicking is going to be even worse...

Haha!  :D

Why am I uber-nervous?

hopefully no big kicks needed,play it around,from defence to attack along the floor,we cant lose possession then,hopefully if our passing is up to scratch.

Cheltenham are 9/2 outsiders.

I'm not convinced that they'll just roll over anyway, but given that the weather will make things awkward for both sides, that is a good price should you wish to soften any potential blow.

They are fielding a team of youths and reserves. We really can't afford to lose this.

They are?

I'm hoping they'll "do a Weymouth" and Cox can add a few goals to his tally.
Or more likely is we'll get a player sent off early on and the rest of the match will be spent hoofing the ball from one end of the pitch to the other and Ifil will make one of his mistakes and they'll get a winner in the last minute.

You've watch Swindon before haven't you.

Is there any proof of this? They've turned down a loan offer for Damian Spencer so surely they'll play whoever is available.

:D

Well, with this being STFC this really could go either way!

If I was in Wilson's shoes I'd be asking the players to go out there and really put pressure on Cheltenham from the off to take advantage of their low confidence. If we play sensible football we should take all three points, and if we play well we could stuff them. The problem lies in that little two letter word beginning with 'i' and ending with 'f'

Left at 5.30 tonight for the game and then disaster, engine problems, nursed the car home and obviously cant make the game, after not missing a game all season before Hartlepool thats now two on the trot I havent attended.
Gutted!!!

Is this game definitely on? Games are being called off all over the place. Yeovil and Bristol Rovers both cancelling in the last 5 minutes or so...

I didn't realise it was that bad in the South today. I've been waiting for this all day - it better be on!

The weather's not bad enough to warrant the game being called off...

I remember how it poured before the QPR game. Granted it was summer, but that was some rain!

Just about to leave, looking forward to the game, not the weather.  It makes me nervous, bit of a leveller me thinks!

I'm abit disappointed that the Rovers and Yeovil games have been called off - those are big fixtures that effect us.

McNamee and Peacock in for Amankwaah and Kanyuka.

Yup.

Swindon Town: Peter Brezovan; Jack Smith, Jerel Ifil, Gordon Greer, Jamie Vincent; Anthony McNamee, Lee Peacock, Michael Timlin, Hal Robson-Kanu; Simon Cox, Billy Paynter

Substitutes: Phil Smith, Mark Marshall, Chris Allen, Lecsinel Jean-Francois, Kevin Amankwaah

Cheltenham Town: Scott P Brown, Josh Low, John Finnegan, Paul Connor, David Bird, Ashley Vincent, Lee Ridley, Andy Gallinagh, Ian Westlake, Elvis Hammond

Substitutes: Will Puddy (GK), Damian Spencer, Jack Durrant, Nicholas Bignall, Ashley Hemmings

Marshall on the bench.

Cheltenham's starting line-up doesn't include any youth players from what I can see...Seems a pretty experienced line-up to me.

Doubt if DW had much choice due to injuries, but peacock in the centre doesn't fill me with confidence, hope he proves me wrong.

Yup, Mr. Onion Bhaji getting carried away me thinks.

peacock in the middle is just so we go into the game attacking,with mcnamee on the wing aswell,cant see the midfield doing much defensive work tonight,until allen comes on...bit scared to see no striker on the bench

Interesting to see Marshall and Allen on the bench, perhaps he reckons they'll be good to send out if the game needs a couple of players who are willing to fight for their places.

COME ON YOU REDSSSSS!

I imagine we're just going to keep putting balls into the box for whoever and Marshall will come on if one of the other two run out of steam.

this is so big. I'm nervous! I hate not being there cos I don't know what's happening. can;t get radio either...

Welcome to my world juddie! Although, I cannot stand listening to Swindon on the radio.

I prefer having some vague idea of what's going on, but I'm too stingy to pay for World

I'm not listening to the game on the radio, because whenever I do we lose! Don't want to curse us tonight of all nights!

whenever my dad goes and I don't we don't win.

I make it 19:46. Have we scored yet? No? Wilson out!!!

Refresh button and TEF is good enough for me... It means I can take a deep breath and see what's happened.

fucking disgrace.

can we rely on anybody (whos got world/commentary)for some sort of update? or do we have ti put up with bbc/sporting life which are always about 10 minutes late.

You're obviously not used to this juddie. I thought we had conceded then :)

good luck people.

Yep - I'm listening on World. Cheltscum just missed a sitter ...

Can I just say juddie, I'm glad I don't pay for World so I don't have to listen to your punditry.......

 ;)

Is this a good sign or not? Please, please, please don't fuck this up Swindon.

you're right, I'm new to this, but it feels good sharing the pain with likeminded individuals.

cheers pumbaa!

Good Kanu run, Paynter missed ... high into the Bank!!

You're in safe-ish hands... It could be an emotional evening.

Soon to be known as The Wank Bank.

I prefer Samdy's Sabin Barn Door suggestion.

"Cheltenham may be bottom of the table but they're looking lively" - says Ed.

Sod it, I'm listening now. If we lose, my fault!

Orient losing.

I almost said 'god-awful', but then I remembered Arthur Hunt......

I feel sick.

arse 1-1. my accumulator looking ropey, too. wind howling outside. Could be an ominous night!

McNamee good run - piss poor cross - straight to keeper.

Reason?

Too much sausages and mash. Well it wouldn't have been but I was snacking on hot cross buns and sweets all afternoon.

Also I think I've got aids.

True,but doesn't mean anything unless we get a result and put pressure on the others that have been postponed today.

I thought as much.

first goal gonna be crucial huh. I guess the fact there's chances at either end is good, they're not putting 10 behind the ball...

I know this but it would be nice if the teams around us help us out a bit. 2-0 down now.

woul you rather have aids and swindon won than not having it and we lose?

It must be exciting, Ed and Phil are talking about how good the surface is at The County Ground ... nice.

They keep saying "lively".

Meaning shite :)

Basically ...

Brez slipped a catch and it has gone out for a corner ... great (!)

You are the source Tibbs, everytime you post my heart sinks :)

C'mon Swindon, don't be the morons.

Ifil is "harrying from behind" ... sounds nasty ...

Also the mash was infused with the goodness of much butter and cream.


Argh. I can't think

Come on Cheltenham.

Shhh.. don't tell anybody but I don't really like football.

"7, 88, 38 ,3"

Swindon starting to pressure Cheltscum a bit ... a few half chances blocked there ...

(Peacock and Kanu making numbers up in the box)

"The ball squirts out at Peacock"

Urgh.

this is rubbish. I'm going to take a dump. time me.

Jack Smith - a foot wide, keeper no where near ... dammit ... "well-worked move", says PK.

This is already reading like the game many feared.

I think it's reading like Fellowship of the Ring. Lot's of pointless wandering around and waffle followed by Jerel Gandalf getting sent off for obstruction.

Can't wait for the Return of the King

[url width=203 height=152]http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/images/2004/08/11/king_203x152.jpg[/url]

If we had a few giant trees and maybe some elves in the side we'd probably do a damn sight better ...

In fact ...

I reckon a Hobbit could manage better many weeks.

"Don't tell me it's going to be one of those evenings, Ed," say PK. Great.

elves - Marshall and McNammee?

yay Kanu

1-0!

Gollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Really!?! But he's rubbish :D

equaliser. oh no

Kanu? Goal? Seriously? Cheltenham must be crap

Also 2-0-0-0-0-0-0 me on reporting goals first. Wahoo.

Oh FFS 1-1

Cunts.

We've been here before.

hahaha I'm miles ahead of all of you.

You've got to laugh really. Is juddie still on the shitter?

Yeah ... and then we got relegated.

They're fucking hell-bent on playing in League Two next season.

fuck me, not going for a tom tit again, missed two goals!! :eek: ???

Evening all! Im lurking tonight....well, I was !

NMH (just for you FB)

Cuntsss

C'mon Swindon, don't be baffoons.

only we could score then concede straight away in a 6 pointer!!

Prove it ;)

We're fucked - Phil King is "sure" we are going to go on and win it. Curse.

Oh well, none of my three score predictions are going to be right......

Oh, and we're shit. How was your dump juddie?

Crewe drawing now.

it's buffoon. From the french for Jester I believe.

And an ace word it is.

it was good mate, thanks, Managed to read 10 pages of fear and loathing in las vegas.

My apologies.

Accepted.

Just use it in every post for the next week.

Cox fires across the face of goal ... miss ... fuck fuck fuck

patience friends...

Terrible 2000th posts.

We simply cannot accept such a thing.

 Surely he should be concentrating on the game and not knocking one out? Jeez no wonder we're crap.

Hmmm a challenge i cannot be arsed with!

Le Orient pull one back 2-1 P'boro.

Correct answer - Well done.

there once was a pundit called phil
he is utterly convinced win we will

but cox missed a sitter
judd's on the shitter


and it might as well still be nil nil

I need a drink.

Well spotted. 2,001 will be better.

Oh balls.

That's cheating signature boy.

C'mon cut me some slack Ben! Such buffoonary could be forgotten every now and again!

Buffoon is my favourite word for the next 30 mins, before I forget it again.

Half time

1-1... Must do better.... By that I mean win.

Hopfully we were kicking into the wind or something?

We're so shit.

We are red we are white, we're a pile of useless shite. la la etc

............it's unbelievable

Yo fools, reserve your total-negativity for full-time.

Word.

Oh its very believable

(I like what you did there though)

Word.

Buffoons

We'll still win tonight imo, but glass is half empty at the mo.

Spit in it.

half-time updates

my dad
not good. tentative football, but he's been supplied with a free rain mac, so he's happy. and he's sat next to fitz.

my mate
will be a travesty if we lose, timlin should have been sent off. heltenham are a joke.

two contrasting views, and they're sat next to each other?!

I'm inclined to disagree,get the negativity out now,'cause then we can't moan during the 2nd half,plus we'll win so won't have the chance to be negative at full time,unless orient score about 5 goals.

Word.:)

Who's the most level headed of the two?

Too
I'm hoping by full time there won't be any need for negativity.  :/

the problem is, with my fingers crossed this tight they are going to drop off soon due to lack of blood flow :o

I'm not sure it works like that!

Nothing wrong with a bit of half-time worry... But this ain't over yet...

my dad's glass is always half empty (comes from following town for so many years). alice's glass is half full.

I'm going with alice (not like that).

i did think we would need to be patient, so no need to panic. Yet.

MK schlongs game called off at h/t!

A bit of drizzle in Northampton then.

Yay. Peacock off.

is anyone replacing him, or are we playing with 10 men in the second half

Who's on Allen?

Allen on instead.

Ben is football related shock :)

the mood on the forum was sullen
apart from the expectant rich pullen

he said we should wait
the goal will come late

fingers crosses we'll be ....................

your surname's rubbish rich.

"Allen's on" replied Allen.

I almost changed my surname to my step-dads - which is Love. Is that any better?

 Thanks i've now dropped spaghetti hoops down the front of my shirt!

Why does the thread title say "Must Win XXXIV" when it's actually our 33rd league game of the season? Coincidence that you're one off what number game this is Rich?

I didn't tihnk so,but i was just being hopeful,no-ones moaning yet..are they?

A bit more workrate from Swindon in this second half.

Swindon seem a bit more urgent, says Ed.

This is true... I thought it was 34... I won't change it.

Well i didnt listen to the first half, so i'll start it off

why the fuck arn't we winning. the first thing i heard was peacock off allen on. Is that not more defensive when we need a win.

Think Peacock has picked up an injury.

Which is no suprise.

Oh no.

2-1 Chelt

Uh-Oh.

and we are losing

W00t!...
fuck

Oh good god......

I blame Div

You have got to be SHITTING ME....

Oh dear-oh dear-oh dear-oh dear.

Fucking fuck.

There was a rumour that he took a knock on saturday,dont know if i just made that up,but im sure i read on here earlier peacock probably wouldnt play cos of injury.

I was just thinking the same thing...

Sort it out you bunch of BUFFOONS

We really are royally fucked now then.

This was a game where a draw wasn't enough.

If we lose it we can kiss goodbye to League One

i should have stayed aslep

Ditto

Doesnt this game mean anything to the players for fuck sake ::)

I think I might go and do that reading I'm supposed to do.

 :(

Yep. Screwed. If we can't win against this sack of shit we don't deserve to be in this league.

Well, nice one Fitton. Didn't invest in the playing squad. Employed the wrong manager. Took too long to sack him when it was going wrong. Class.

Lose this and it's game over, we can longer hope to pick up points from our favourable run in, it doesnt get easier than a home tie a home to a team in the position and circumstances they are in

bad luck being on here. I'm going back to the shitter.

I can't dig these vibes man.

:(

COME THE FUCK ON SWINDON

Cunting STFC have taken the jolly buffoonery right out of this thread

:cunt:

If I hadn't walked past the pub on the way home, I wouldn't be here now.

Too many of our players are cunts.


















I apologise this is not a more useful or reasoned post.

Cunting pathetic, we deserve relegation, bunch of useless jebs.

Even if we get back into this - I'm inclined to agree.

Need to score next 10 mins if we're going to win. Obv i know but it's straw clutching time.

Has it finished yet?

I am quite confused:)

oh well, maybe we'll have a promotion campaign next season

Not if we score two goals in the 10 minutes following the next 10 mins...

Emphasis on maybe.

I wish I had loads of wine and fags :(

Probably for the best, could do with a break off both.

It's a shame they aren't all paid based on performance.

If they were they would regularly be paying the club not the other way around.

maybe that would jolt the greedy fuckers into action

AMANKWAH 2-2

C'mon!

2-2

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

hooray!

4-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0

You lot are fucking rubbish.

GAME ON! COME ON SWINDON!

Just got in.  TV says we're losing our 'must win' game.  Is that right?

Same old Swindon.

Because maybe,miraculously we won't go down and no promotion next season.


& when did KA come on....get in!

Semi  ;D

A corner aswell! Such things do not happen.

Corner again

Come on, one more, we need this big time.

The fact of losing to this lot is bad enough, the failure to take 3 points appalling - but what will really make my guts heave will be having to listen to Allen raving about the workrate of the 'nam, how they were worth it, it was fully deserved, etc, etc etc.

We're drawing you knob.

Do you see what I did there?  I anti-jinxed us just as everyone else was celebrating.  I may try it again in a few minutes.

Ace

Cox is a buffoon.

cox fell over, nothing new there then

Bastards ... save from Cox, tight angle ...

Fuck off you cunt!

Of all people.

we're attacking too much here. I don't like

just been reading my book on the shitterm and another goal! I'm going back there til end of the game.

ta ra.

COME THE FUCK ON!

we weren't when I posted it, dip stick!

Reckon you could try this during games you're commentating on too?

BREAKING NEWS: Ed suggests Jack Smith has been our best player.

Forking hell.  How can we only be drawing against this lot?  Abysmal.

(Did it work that time?)

Knob beats dip stick. Buffoon trumps them all.

errr, there was two pages of yesssssss before!

The posts behind it, and their times, suggest otherwise.

You should be keeping up.

Any chance you could camp there until the beginning of May?

Never been revealed before but if ten people post the name 'Cedric Bernard' we will score

Brez save with legs.

Don't do it. The Devil will eat us.

 I'm in a quandry, i was on the pan for the first and having a fag when the second one in, what should i do? have a smoke on the toilet?

You'd be guaranteed the 'And finally...' spot on ITN.  Got to be worth a try.

I really can't believe we're only drawing against tin pot Cheltenham.

(Attempt #2.)

Cedric Bernard.

 Or have a dump on a cigarette?

CEDRIC BERNARD

panicy defence.

Smoke a chocolate log?

Oh dear Ben

C E D R I C B E R N A R D!!!

C'mon Swindon - To quote Jeff Goldblum in Independence Day.

"...the clock is ticking."

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Take their rook!

cox heads it wide.

The buffoon.

There was a kid in the year above me at school (let's call him Chris Rice) who was famed throughout the school for being caught in the traps simulataneously taking a dump, reading a copy of the Sun, smoking a fag and having a wank.  Multi tasking at its most impressive.

That's 3 moments of Cox buffoonary now. Tsssk.

MON TEH CEDRIC BERNARD

He really is starting to annoy me with the chances he misses,& how much he falls over - especially when he can quite easily put the ball in the back of the net.

That would be fantastic on a CV!

all a bit nervy.

I think it will finish 2-2

Corner

It beggars belief that we're not winning this one.

(Attempt #3.)

Cedric Bernard

this match is going to send me over the edge.

Beetlejuice ... Beetlejuice ...

Well my smoke on the pan didn't work.

Me too. A draw just ain't good enough. C'MON TOWN PLEEEEASE.

cedric bernard

Another Corner

4mins left

We're due a 93rd minute winner.

whack marshall on.

So far as we're concerned, draw = defeat.

Time to grow some balls, guys.

No point wasting time with a sub.

they add on 30 secs per sub

Chelters have leaked goals in the last few mins nearly as much as we have....There is still hope!....but not much of it!!

hahah nice. knew that would happen

i don't care how we win - JUST FUCKING WIN YOU CUNTFUCKERS

AAAAAAAAARGH I CONCUR.

wouldnt be wasting time...suttonred beat me to it.

Time for a lot of ..............

HHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I fear our season is about to end 2 months early.

ref less than generous with 2 mins of injury.

EVERY CUNT UP! GO GO GO

Quelle suprise.

ARGHGHGHGHGHH Don't do that too me ed

TWO?! It's always atleast double that when we're losing!

Duff almost OG

FB: You seem to be ahead of everyone...Have we got relegated yet?

To be fair, he's probably seen enough crap out there tonight and wants a beer....

COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

.

we nearly just fucked it. classic

Well done jack

corner to cheltenham. cleared. final whistle

Who did we nearly fuck?

Toss

A game we must win and the fuckers bottle it pathetic :doh:

cunts

bunch of spunk munchers!

We have fucked it!

no nearly about it

Boooooooooooooooo

We don't deserve to stay up.  Pathetic.

Alas, not good enough.

But there's no R by our name yet. Heck we're not even in the drop zone yet.

We're doomed.be nice to see what people at the game have got to say.

A defeat would have still been worse. They hit us on the break, 4vs2 in the last min. Which is what I was referring too.

But yeah. Not a great result.

C'est le vie.

Dow about we all remain upbeat and cheerful for a change?

Awful. We HAVE to sign some players on loan this week. This match has confirmed that the majority are not good enough. Fucking pathetic.

Jeebus.

I'm not going to stick around for the post-match arguments tonight :)

I refuse to be drawn into a cycle of negativity just yet. But we've just made life one hell of a lot more difficult for ourselves.

Why?

Because it's good for you.

It's not fair playing them now, half their team will be gone in 2 weeks and we would have beaten them! it's a bloody conspiracy! Our poor boys just dont get the rub of the green....... the wankers.

At least next season we'll win some games :)

Good call. This is the start of another 5+ game unbeaten streak.

Belief! ;D


Oh and :bye:Cheltenham, see you in the conference.

So glad i didnt travel back for this one, absolutely shocking result, the players need to wake up and smell the coffee soon or it's game over, and we'll all be trooping off Barnet and Burton next season

That's the spirit lads. Keep it up.

At least Crewe and Orient lost.... Couldn't have been a worse night, and yes other teams results are very important now!

 Where were they from, how can they be different? These are the bbc ones

60% 40%

Shots on target
8 3

Shots off target
5 2

Corners
8 7

Fouls
12 15

Arse biscuits I really thought we were going to snatch a winner.  

Not good and highlights the need for a couple of new faces.  Onwards and upwards though..

the music on the radio is really annoying me.

Mine were from sporting life. I dont like the percentage one at all. Just proves we can have all the possession in the world and not win, we need a finisher...NOW!

hahaha Alan Young and Steve Cowe.

That was me.

Is it juddie thats still on the pan? Shouldn't someone knock and tell him its over?

What doesn`t annoy you?

i want to single out peacock for being wank, his fault for their first goal.

he angers me.

wilson angered me by bringing on allen though, he doesn't look ready for first team football by a long stretch

utter gash

no one deserves any credit, perhaps we should try putting all our players on the transfer list.

theres no way back from that. If we cant beat Cheltenham we dont deserve to be in L1 half the players cant fuck off. Wilson to.

I'm not doing league 2 again

  Bar the odd exception who would want any of them?

no one but that isnt our problem....

just get rid of the lot.

Ed playing simply red isn't helping.

We're absolutely going down aren't we?

yes we are dave

Totally crap in the centre of the park. 2 shittly defended goals. Can't take the game to the opposition. Shame Paynter wasn't playing tonight. I have lost the faith.

Nice to hear Hodgets back on BBC RS. Where has he been.

yep we are, we draw too many games.

All the other teams around us will win 3 and lose 2 every 5 games where as we'll just draw all 5. They'll be up and down but will pick up more points

I am really fucked off right now so I may try and find a positive tomorrow, This is completly knee jerk because as DMR said I take STFC TOO SERIOUSLY but....

You (the players) are all gutless prima donna pricks who are not fit to wear the shirt, please fuck off in the summer. Gutless wankers the lot of you. Your an embarassment to Swindon Town. You clearly don't want to be here, and I don't want you here. For the first time ever I couldn't give a shit about STFC. I really have no motivation to go to games. Waste of space each and every one of you.

Gazza, please let the forum know what you really think.

Reg is right they don't have the bottle.

I fail to understand why Big Kev was dropped. He looks our most attacking threat

You need a Kev to be a football team.  Play 'em up front with Cox and tell  the rest to fuck off.

i hate the phrase prima donna

...apart from the man who scored one and set up the other.

But yes everytime I see Big Kev I become more and more convinced that he is in fact a footballer.

Well that was shit.

To cap it all my brother got a parking ticket, £75 fine and watching swindon fuck it up in a must win game,what a lucky fella  :(

Well that was utter dogshit. The only player I would exempt from calling a cunt on that performanve was Amankwanah. There was not one single player who loked for the ball. There was no fucker taking any responsibility for anything. A bunch of gutless cunts who couldn't give a fuck. We were absolute relgation fodder and I couldn't care less if they all fucked off in the summer and we rebuilt from scratch.  I couldn't believe the players on the bench for a must win game. Wilson also has to take some real accountability here also. Spineless cunts. Tonight was an absolute bottle job.  
I am so fucked off I'm going to put on a Smiths album to cheer me up.

Plus, the bench what the fuck?

Not a single striker on there, fucking stupid.

Did you listen to Morrissey on the way home? Must have been depressing! (Years Of Refusal does little for me)

And I thought it was me just having a go... maybe I am right as well....

Positives:
Cox worked hard and Jack Smith did OK. Robson-Kanu was better going forward than previous games.

erm. er, t-t-that's all folks.

£75? Shitty death. Where was that?

About a month ago I parked up outside Sainsbury's in town, in that bit that isn't hatched off, and jogged to the card shop in House of Fraser to get a card. And then went to another shop, and came back to find a mother flippin parking warden taking pictures of my car. I honestly didn't know that you weren't allowed to park there :(

Did Wilson have much to say?

Da, da, da, da, da,
Jackie Wilson said
It was "Reet-Petite"

Danny didn't get on the radio before 10 so I missed it.

The good news though is that if you pay within 14 days then the fine is only £35 :)

Reading some of this is really depressing. It wasn't that bad. We were a lot fucking better than we were against Hartlepool anyway. We just turned off for their first and the second was shocking defending. Thought it was going our way when we equalised but not to be. Dissapointed but not depressed. We should be beating Cheltenham but then maybe we are kidding ourselves here. We're not great either.

not really, same shit he said after Hartlepool minus the ref abuse

Batch thats three more positives than I got tonight. Cox ran and did fuck all. Smith at least tries to play the ball out of defense but can't defend. Robson Kanu was MOM in the 1st half and anonymous in the 2nd.

"What the fuck was I thinking when I took this Job?, Richard Money dodged a bullet" ;)

 Come on get it right, one too many da's there!

Cox had about 6 chances and missed them all

i wouldn't say he had easy chances, but out of the 4 i reckon he had he should definitely have hit the net once

He sounded mellow, surprised about that.

Apparently, the team had a civilized discussion without the teacups flying.

Why do we not mark the back post?

Didn't say he was good. Said he worked hard. Which is the minimum we should get out of any player. I am so pissed off at Paynter tonight. He couldn't even be fucking arsed to run beside the last 5 minutes.

also did anyone find it ironic that Cheltenham fans sung once in the first half which was can you hear the swindon sing....and then we sung once in the first half with can you hear the cheltenham sing?

I could hear a pin drop

I actually dropped a couple of coppers and did hear them drop so yes point well taken!

On Broad street,near the garage.Think someone got caught out near there the other week as well,but lets not reopen that can of worms shall we!

What gets me is the fact it was pissing it down most of the night,bastard.

Thought it a much better game than against the monkey hangars, simple truth is we are not good enough.  Thought 'Nam just about deserved their point, they had more aggression and positivty than us, they could find their men with a simple pass, we could only hit and hope.  Needs new faces and soon.  Probably play them next season in Div. 2 if we don't improve by at least 50% in a hurry.  Oh, and when can we learn to take a throw-in, if the opposition fucked about like we did they would be accused of time wasting!

Brez looked as shaky as anything. The defence were torn to pieces by Elvis Hammond. The midfield was non existent. Particular contempt should be given to Timlin and Peacock. Timlin could easy have got a red instead of a yellow. Paynter's performance tonight was the worst I've seen from him and Cox's wasn't far off that either.
If there was going to be one winner tonight it was 'Nam and we were bloody lucky at the end when they had 4 on 2 that they fucked it up.
Wilson seriuosly needs to look at himself and particularly the composition of the bench.  

on a positive note we finally scored from a fucking corner which doesnt happen too often.

MARK THE BACK POST!!!!!!

Tactical masterstroke by Wilson that was DV.

Not only did he introduce Big Kev into the game, but as HRK put the ball down Kev was on the half way line marking their striker, with Chris Allen stood picking his nose on the edge of the box. Wilson told them to swap around, and the rest is history.

Timlin and Allen don't look as if they can play together,. Allen needs a bit of muscle on him. Cant play a physical game.

Hahahaha

Oh dear

Saturday scares me now... :(

Maybe so....but a real masterstroke would have been to play Big Kev upfront and get two goals out of him...

I plan on getting intoxicated before to ease the pain!

 There's no need to take it out on the police that we're shite!

We'll beat Franchise Saturday. Problem is, we wont beat Brighton, Leyton Orient, Crewe etc.

Stupid thing is we'll probably raise our game and win.

I agree to an extent, we let the other team boss the game, they play well, we play well, they play shit. we play shit....

I also found out today that you cant be offside from

Great result tonight and we climbed the table a little. Can only hope for more of the same on Saturday.

Now where did I put that bag of PCP...?

A goal kick??

I also found out today that you cant be offside from a goalkick. Everydays a schoolday

Having looked at the table, I didn't realise Chelters were that shit. Oh dear.

....a goal kick :)

That was probably me shouting

Why don't we do a lot of things.....For instance, why don't our centre mids look for the ball instead of shying away everytime, why aren't our full backs supporting our wingers, or even attempting to get forward, why do we no longer close down our opponents when they're 20 yards from our goal, why don't we actually move when we have a throw in...........God this shit is depressing....... :(

Why does Cox play on the wing half the time?

because McNamee is shit

I should be a lot angrier than I am, having just got home in my soaking wet jeans. Not sure why I'm not that bothered - possibly because the players aren't. I'm sort of looking forward to getting promotion next season.

You cannot be offside from a goal kick, a corner or a throw-in.

Offside has been given directly from a throw-in and now a goal-kick at the County Ground in recent years.

Is it both the players and the officials that lose their brains when they are at the County Ground.

It was kind of rhetorical.

I know....

Cox was putting in some decent crosses, shame he couldnt be on the end of the,

Somebody should start a pole:

We are really in total shit without a hope.

We are in the shit, but have an even chance of getting out of it.

We are only almost in the shit and have little chance of going down.

I'd rather they started a poll, but have it your way

it's all about a pool

we are in the shit, we have a small chance but drastic changed need to be made about a week ago.

I am so pissed off, I can't even spell "poll".

Wilson was too relaxed in his interview, two loaners to arrive by Thursday.

Kev for center-forward!

Forget playing together,they cant play football on their own!

Because he's the one player on the team who wants the ball,so goes to positions where he can get the ball and giv others the chance to want it in return,if he stayed inside he wouldnt get it. He pisses me off with his antic on the floor but he shows everyone else up with his effort whenever i get to a game.

Which ever way you look at it- his record just simply aint good enough

who are you talking about?

It's Bart, so probably Malpas.

Crozzer's record at spelling poll I think.

So what shall we do Bart? Sack the manager? Sack the board? Sack the fans? We all know we need new faces, but we can't actually do that at the moment, other than through loans, which Wilson is working on........

I agree with the plan to sack everyone...

I'm thinking we look worse than in 05/06 now.  The real worry is that the only 2 players who look capable are unlikely to be here next season with Cox likely to want to go and Greer probably getting a better offer if we continue as we are.

Smith and Vincent do an ok job and Amankwaah actually looks like he could be ok given a good run in the team, but it's all so small in terms of crumbs of comfort.

Time for Ifil to wander down the leagues I think and Brezovan would appear to have been in inspired form of his life when he signed as he continues to offer little assurance.  If I was Greer I'd toodle pip back to Doncaster for some decent reserve games before I got dragged down to the others level.

I thought Timlin looked an ok player but he flits in and out of form like a tart through underwear.  Peacock, for all his effort, has lost a position he can hold down now and MacNamee needs a good pasting to get him angry or something.  He spends more time running away from people than he does with the ball at his feet.  Kanu may frustrate as well, but he does seem to come looking for the ball and make different angles, even if he doesn't always deliver.  It's so frustrating that a player of McNamee's talent can be content to not be part of the game for long periods.

Overall, despite my desire to remain positive, I can't help but feel we are going to be relying on 4 teams being worse than us now.  It needs a complete overhaul of players by Wilson to get people in that fit his way of playing.  The problem with overhauls is they offer up the risk of having a brand new team of shit or even a brand new team of talent that take too long to mould into a team.  4 consecutive Managers have now struggled (Sturrock was going that way with us towards the end, even with a team designed for his style) to get any level of consitency or belief out of this team.  It's probably because it's not there to get.

Agree with most of what's been said tonight. Half our players just aint good enough and the rest either can't be fucked or just go missing as they shrink away from responsibility.  

I know footballers don't give a flying fuck about the clubs they play for nowadays and just go after the money, but It's fucking saddening to watch some of them going through the motions, especially against shit like Cheltenham at home.

I don't give a fuck about my employers, but I put in a decent fucking shift everyday a; for the money and b; because I give a fuck about the job I do as an individual. Without that, what's the fucking point in even getting out of bed?

Do the current players wearing STFC's colours give a fuck or have any personal fucking pride in their own individual performances, let alone their contribution to the team, the fans and the management of the club? I doubt it. The thick cunts probably haven't realised yet that they'll probably be playing for Salisbury or Supermarine next season.

Whats the betting that they'll put on a stirling performance against Franchise on Saturday though?

With this weekend being the 69 league cup anniversary celebration and the old squad being at the match as well, I wonder how many of the current cunts will be remembered fondly at the club or on the terraces in another 40 years time?

Of course going by history, Wilson will bring his own players in they wont gell right away and he'll be sacked in November/December again leaving us needing a new manager with another managers team and repeat.

Do you think we'll go through the entire 09/10 with the same manager?

Yes, but there will be a massive turnover in players.

Hopefully not (Wilson going that is), I think he's one of the better Managers we could hope to attract and certainly a better long term bet than any of the Managers we've had in the past 10 years.  It's a shame such a pile of shit has been presented on his plate.  There's only so long players can be described as "having potential" or "inconsistent".  I don't think it's a lack of effort, Paynter apart today.  It's now clear they are consistent, just not very good, and they have not fullfilled any potential in most cases.

I'm just hoping for a Wise style Pre season now.

nope, our fans will get on his back at some point...

He sounded relaxed enough after the match to suggest that he has a few things up his sleeve including a directive from the board start over with a totally new squad irrespective of which division we find ourselves in.

I worry.

It's clearly not the key to current problems, but not having a season under one manager since 04/05 hasn't helped matters.

Good.  I'd be happy if none of our current squad started next season (I'm accepting Cox will go this summer and doubt we'll get Greer).  Such is the clearout needed you may as well start from scratch than leave anyone tainted behind.  It would be harsh on a few but what the heck, lets do it in style.

It hasnt helped at all.

It seems we finally get a manager and give him enough time to get his squad together and he leaves/gets sacked.

I do wonder how that holds up as record, do we just notice it because we're Swindon fans or do another teams change their managers as often as we do?

We should have never ever let Plymouth talk to Sturrock, I doubt we had much say in the matter and it was before the new board took over but thats where it started. Let our best manager for years leave...maybe im being harsh it was probably just as much him wanting to leave as us letting him leave.

It really bugs me but as much as the players rightfully get slated now for being shit, lazy, inconsistent and just plain rubbish alot of them werent any of those things under Sturrock.

I hope Wilson explains to them that it will be a buyer's market for players next season in the lower leagues and that if they want to have crack at a contract with anything better than Forest Green Rovers, they had better show some form.  As for playing part time, there are no jobs out there.    

It didn't help that we couldn't afford to pay him no doubt, and the writing was on the wall in the last month or so anyway.  The rot had set.  I have no confidence we'd be much if any better now with him in charge, possibly just the benefit of consistency in terms of players having one set way of playing for a prolonged period.

Good post;-)

Wilson needs his own staff around him for a start. Then he needs to decide who he wants to keep from those out of contract in the summer, tell the rest to fuck off and start his own team building plans.

As someone else said, I'm pinning my hopes on another Wise style pre season of hope.

Whilst I agree there was really no way of keeping him. I disagree with the fact we wouldnt be much better off without him because I think we would be..

not that it matters at all of course

Its 6.35 am, I have had 4 hours sleep, got in at 1 am. Im feeling totally disinterested by stfc, I have said this before. Last night was my first home game since dec 28. Im a season ticket holder. I dont really give a fuck anymore, its hard to when the players dont. Ship the whole fucking lot of them out in the summer, fuck them all. Lets clear the decks and start anew.

Slept on it... still fucked off. Roll on next season.

We'll love them all again when we beat MK on Saturday.

Cheltenham played quite well yesterday. Should have pressed them a lot more but they looked good on the break, the ball always went to the space on the pitch and they passed it around neatly.

So I take it I didn't miss much last night?

It wasn't as bad as everyone is making out, IMO. We weren't brilliant but Cheltenham had a plan and stuck to it, they deserve credit for that. As a wise man said to me last night, if we'd have played the whole game how we did for 30 minutes in the second half we'd have won. Under Malpas, when we were shit, we were extremely shit with no kind of organisation and no positives at all really. At least under Wilson when we play crap we still look pretty organised and still play some neat football.

We switched off twice last night and it cost us, but I don't think it's all doom and gloom. Maybe it's my youthful naivety.

Ralphy!!! I thought you were dead!

cunning bastards trying to win by being competent on the pitch...

i think we could learn a few lessons from them

Most of us are thick as pig shit.

We expected an easy win because we were playing a team that hadn't won in their last seven games and are rooted to the bottom of the league. When will we learn that we NEVER win against that type of opposition?

There were some positives last night, we played some good stuff in the second half and Kanu finally showed what he's got. Big Kev scored a blinder and the link up play between him and Macca looked promising.

The main problems are defence and centre midfield. Ifil is becoming a joke, Jack Smith has forgotten how to tackle, Peacock should be taken outside and shot, Timlin needs consistency, Allen needs a treatment of steroids.

Good to see Brez back to his 'Best Keeper In The League' form.

Most of what I have to say has already been covered. It was good to see DW's attacking intentions by starting with MacNamee and HRK, but I was completely miffed that we didn't have a striker on the bench.

The way we played, we deserve to be playing in League 2 next season. If we can't beat the worst team in the league at home then there's something seriously wrong.

I think I agree with Mex that the whole lot apart from Greer and Cox can fuck off. My loyalty to Ifil is wearing thin, he's been a good servant to the club but he just isn't good enough. Too many sloppy mistakes. How anyone can get turned by Elvis-fucking-Hammond twice in one game to concede two goals is criminal.

I'm just accepting that we'll be in L2 next season, if by some miracle we stay up then I'll be pleased.

Woe, Woe and thrice woe.

What shite..... :doh:

A team up for sale, missing key players and all the loanees bombed out, who havent won a game in how long come to the County Ground and boss us about.

for 15 minutes in the second half we got it together....apart from that it was dire.
We ran at Cheltnumb and they couldnt deal with it....so what did we do?....give the ball away cheap and start whacking hit and hope balls into the box.

Can someone please explain to me how Macnamee got MOM?  :eek:  That prize should of been given to the longest running season ticket holder in the ground as no fucking player deserved it.
Best player was big Kev and only played for less than 30 minutes.

Macnamee ran around a bit but his crosses were poor (again) and more disappointing for me, he bottled every 50/50 and never closed anybody down.

Every player apart from Kev deserves a roasting....

Fucking hell.......we are in the shit!......wake up, stand up and be counted!

Just one final point which did make me chuckle...

As i battled through the blowing rain by the back of the Town End i overheard two blokes chatting:

"Bloody Hell this weather won help us at all, i reckon we will drop to their level."

Take at look at the league table boys!! We are at their level and we need to get out of it!

We worked on the assumption the sponsors had misunderstood and thought they were being asked to judge a player footwear competition

"Ifil is becoming a joke"?

Ifil's been gash all season, only when our previous manager did the right think and drop him a fair few fans got the hump (with the manager) because their St Jerel had been dropped.  The way Ifil was greeted as a returning hero when he warmed up as a sub one match was an absolute joke.

This has been Ifil's worst season at the club by far.  He shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.  nor should Peacock, who last night seemed to be intent on being as far away from the ball as possible.  He hid at every opportunity, even before he picked up a knock.

Hope McNamee goes soon, not because I think he's a bad player, just so he has the opportunity to show us Swindon fans that if we had a decent strike force his crosses wouldn't have a completion rate of around 10%.  The balls he puts in, 2 in the first 5 mins last night, are pretty good, shame no one can convert them.

The thing that annoys me is Hartlepool and Cheltenham had poor defences, and very poor keepers but we didn't put them under half the pressure we should have. 

Like Sam says I was also peeved with the subs bench, no real attacking threat, and the ploy to bring Marshall on with 3 mins of normal time to go was a joke (which we couldn't even do because the ball didn't go out of play). 

It ain't looking good.

There is no point putting Marshall on the bench, i'd much rather see a member of the youth team (Macklin?) getting that privelege.

Marshall coming on would of been the self destruct button firmly pressed!

To me (when he came on) Spencer gave a master class to Paynter what being a target man was all about.  You don't necessarily have to provide the end result yourself, you just put yourself about a bit, get in the faces of the centre halves, put your foot, head, body in where it hurts.  Not back into the defender then do that annoying hunched shoulders arms in the air thing whilst looking at the ref like a hurt little boy.

Fucking hell.

Defence looked shakier than it has for weeks

Central Midfield was a joke. Although I thought Peacock was doing alright 1st half.  Chris Allen is the exact opposite of Pook. decent on the ball, pointless without it. I've always thought Timlin had the potential to be a good player in league 1. Might have to re-think that now because he's does some decent things then passes it to the opposition. Good leg breaking tackle though, thought he was going to get sent off.

Robson Kanu was decent until the brough a sub on who nulified him well. Good goal. is better on the right cutting in as it dosnt involve him crossing the ball.

Macnamee. Can someone tell him that doing a stepover then blasting the ball at the defender stood 2 yeards away is not good wing play. Did manage to put a couple of decent crosses in but given how much of the ball he saw his final product was terrible really. Man of the match my arse.

Forwards got poor service again pretty much all night, not many decent balls into feet, too many hopeful knocks into  the channels. I dont hate Paynter but we could really do with a better partner for Cox.

can someone explain who they would want mcca to cross to? there is never any fucker in the box.I thought last night was awful.

It's ok saying we played good stuff but fuck me cheltenham at home i would expect us to. As much as Brez looked shaky lets not forget he kept us in the game still.

Central midfielder and Striker asap needed

Why are you always so negative?

I nearly wept several times last night

Not least because my Uggs were sodden and my best brolly broke

I got my hair wet

 That's God trying to tell you not to wear the awful things.

what about your roll neck sweater?

Leave Charlotte alone!

If she wants to wear Uggs while doing handstands, it should be up to her.

They were my new Grey cardigan Uggs as well  :cry:

I was so cold and upset that I nearly cried and no fucker brought me over a poncho thing - plus I frowned and scowled so much I probably got a million more wrinkles - Ive had enough

He could look up and see if anyone is there rather than stepover, run, hit defender / cross to no-one

Its not like he dosnt have the ability

because i was sat there with wet bollocks behind some spastic who at one pointed shouted"come on ref 3 on 1 is not fair" in hindsight we played some good football but the atmosphere is what i meant was awful not the performance.

everytime he did that was to win a corner like the one that led to the goal.

The young lad did make my night...pure entertainment...even his "mates" dissowned him later on in the game.

As for the game......we were shit, few positives.

Cheltenscum had a game plan and executed it perfectly, we couldnt break them down, on another night Cox would have bagged 3 or 4.

Yes, and the one decent corner we took led to a goal, the rest were pretty dire, just like our non-existent throw-in routines!

god dont even get me started on throw ins 

Thats true but would it not be better to try and score rather than try and get corners?

Central midfielders have all been shit for some time, the main problem which affects all areas, except for Timlin only once against the Scunthorpe nine men.
I still rate Pook for effort and effectiveness compared with the others tried, and he worked well with Peacock IMO. Unfortunately, we did not have Greer and Vincent then. In desperation, why not try:
 Brez, Amankwah, Greer, Ifil or other, Vincent, Kanu, Peacock, Pook, Smith, Cox, Paynter

Where do you sit? Cos if its the south stand I have to admit I am a bit fed up of people who sit there saying the atmosphere is shit when over in the town end we actually do get a bit of singing going (altho I agree its not often what it could be at the moment) and its like "well you chose to sit in that stand!!"

There is no sustained singing in any area of the ground, and even less at an appropriate speed...

You're being kind to Cheltenham. Its 14 they hadnt won in. It was 7 defeats in a row before last night


No it hasnt been his worse season and who else would we play at centre half. Its all right moaning about Ifil being included but who could you have replaced him with last night?

Aljofree - Injured, Morrison - Injured, Kanyuka - Injured

As terrible as Ifil was last night Greer was just as bad. 


I hope McNamee goes because he is a shit luxery player who hits one decent cross in about 30. Him over hitting his crosses or hitting the first man has nothing to do with our bloody strike force?

The problem with McNamee is he whips the ball in with power and pace, thats it...he doesnt look up, he doesnt aim at anyone. He just blasts it with the same power every time, usually right on the head of a defender. Sure every now and again a striker should get himself on the end of them but it generally helps if the crosses are aimed towards the strikers.

... and not the fullbacks shins, as per last night.

To be fair - as Peter Beardsley used to endless repeat as a sloppy mouthed mantra- Manatee looked up and picked out a perfect cross to Kanu-Robson last night only for the one-footed fool to shank it straight off his shin to trickle into the stands.

Whose cross did Cox head wide (again)? Not sure if it was Macca or not.

To be honest I thought he did OK last night. I wish he had a bit of the Christian Roberts pace about him though - get outside your man and get to the line.

Oh, and what was the point of (nearly) introducing Marshal with 2 minutes to go?

ooooooh also who was it that sits near me and spoke to me about my magazine? someone off here? possibly Berniman?

I would rather have Morrison in the side alongside Greer than Ifil.   I wasn't aware he was injured, and was told he wasn't last night, however if he is injured then fine Ifil could have been selected last night.  Doesn't excuse the fact that he shouldn't be a, the captain and b, in the first team.  As, on merit, he deserves to be dropped.

Completely disagree with McNamee, but I suppose time will tell, be interesting to see how well he does if he goes.  As for "shit luxury player" what a laughable deluded comment.  Both of the crosses in the first 5 mins didn't hit the front man, they were peaches and someone should have been on the end of them. 

It's for no reason that in the last couple of minutes with us pressing every ball that got played into the box (not necessarily from McNamee) were won easily (uncontested) by the Cheltenham defenders.  Time and time again this season the oppositions defenders and keepers come under no pressure from our lot.  Something's not right.

Ssssssssssssssssssssssssh, DV has spoken "McNamee is shit", end of.   He "just" hits in powerful and pacey crosses.

I don't think Ifil is as bad as people make out. He'll have poor distribution as long as he has an arsehole, and that will limit him to league 1 football, but he is in our top 2 central defenders.

What worries me far far more is our central midfield. Somebody seems to have turned Easton into Pook. Peacock is fucked. Allen isn't physical enough. For Nalis see Peacock. Timlin isn't up to it 9 weeks out of 10. Kanyuka is a defender. That leaves, um er. Well it's hard to pick 1 central midfielder right now, let alone 2.

The last proper decent central midfielder we had was Paul Evans (although Easton was good last year). But even his legs fell off after 2 or 3 months.

Which he does

How many times did he hit the first man last night?
How many times did he over hit his crosses last night?
How many times did he cross it into an empty box last night?

Those three things far out weight the decent crosses he put in last night. Last night was probably the most McNamee has seen the ball in one game all season. All season we've been moaning rightfully that we dont get the ball out to him enough. Last night we did and the amout of the ball he saw he should have created alot more than he did.

What happened to Macca beating the first man and getting to the line, I can't remember seeing him do it that often this season. Those whipped crosses are fine some of the time, but he shows no variety at the moment. Few step overs infront of the defender then tries to bend it round them.

I personally think its something to do with the dressing room. The last couple of yeras players harped on saying "one of the best dressing rooms we have been in" etc however this season nothing. The players seem to have a go at each other and Wilson said the team were quiet as well..

Having had a few hours to calm down, I'm still wound up. Going into the game I didn't actually expect us to beat 'Nam - I predicted a draw. What I did expect was for our players to be up for it. I did expect our players to be able to take a throw in. I also expected our players to look to receive the ball not hide amongst the 'Nam players. I expected us to go to win the game - not have a bench to shore things up.
Opposition teams are cottoning on quite quickly to boot the ball towards Ifill and Smith rather than Greer and Vincent.
I now fully expect relegation. Someone suggested Wilson was quite cool as he probably had some tricks up his sleeve. Another option is that he realises you can't polish a turd and has regarded relegation as real and that he stands a better chance to succeed starting a division down.
 

it seems people are actually waking up to the fact that ifil isn't good enough.he's loyal and gives 100% but simply his level is league 2.jack smith despite being a tidy player is not a good enough defender.a right backs first job is to defend,this he does below average for div 1.
allen isn't good enough.peacock isn't good enough.macca needs to play alongside 2 decent centre mids to get the best out of him.paynter never looks fit.brez is shakey as fuck as is his no2.timlin has 1 good game in 4-5.nalis is old and slow.pook is pook.kanyuka is shit.sturrock cant hit a barn door.mcgovern lacks desire.etc.etc.etc.
ship the lot of em out apart from vincent,morrison and cox(not that he'll stay)sign greer,and rebuild from scratch.

fitton took fucking ages in appointing wilson after sacking malpas. if he thinks he's the man to take uis forward then he needs to back him big time in the summer,regardless of the division we are in.apart from clearing debt we have gone backwards on the field.i'm afraid the board do not convince me at all.season ticket sales will drop by half or more in the summer.

drawing last night simply isn't good enough,players dont give a shit about derbys(this isn't really one anyway)it was just a game against the worst side in the league.

Cant argue with much there..........

And don't forget we even lost at their dungheap against 10 men.
1 point against the worst team in the league, the only way is up!

Apparently, the groundsman wanted the game called off last night. Triseros? Grubby?

Perhaps it would've been better if it was!

Would not have thought there was any risk to us last night, the pitch looked in really good condition

There were a few scouts at last nights game as well - Derby, Sheff Utd, H'Pool, Reading, Man City - bet they went home without any recomendations

All looking at Cox I expect. Can't imagine there'd be anyone else who played last night that would take their interest.

Reading I guess would be watching their boy Robson-Kanu and Pools play Cheltenham in a couple of weeks. Otherwise the fact that every 'Nam player is on a free right now might attract one or two scouts.

Yep that was me!  But you looked at me as if you were gonna punch my lights out so I didn't bother with the introductions ;D.  I was the one who won Peacocks shirt last year and you sent it to me!

Anyway... the match.  Most has been said, but my views.

Brez/Smith can go, time for a new face in between the sticks.
Ifil poor, Greer worst match for us so far, Smith & Vincent alright nothing special.
Peacock's legs have gone and he offers no real benefit to the team anymore, Timlin either quality or gash, nothing in between, squad player next year.

Kanu, hot and cold, good first half crap second, would have switched his flank 2nd half because.....
Macca was a waste of space and should have been taken off. MOTM my arse. Couple of decent crosses but the rest crap and the bloke does absolutely shit all else on the pitch when the ball is not at his feet and he is doing lollipops!  Wound the fuck out of me last night.

Paynter works hard but only won one header last night and got a cheer for it!  For a big man he does not hold the ball up well enough.  As much as I love Cox and he always works his bollocks off, his first touch was gash last night and he looks like he has run out of ideas, appart from throwing himself to the floor whenever he gets in front of the defender.  Inside the box Simon, inside the fricking box!!!!

Amankwah, best player by far but only on for 30 mins, Chrissy Allen, sorry son Supermarine is beckoning!

The 7 players I would be ok to keep would be Greer (probably won't happen) Cox (Definately won't happen)   Amankwah (squad) Timlin (squad) Sean Morrison (First team) Vincent (OK but not getting any younger)
Jack Smith (First team/Squad)    and probably a few of the youngsters too.

The rest can well and truly fuck off!

DID I!!!  :eek:

OMG Im so sorry!! I wasnt pissed off with you more the weather and my sodden Uggs and the fact my Heat magazine was wet!

Please forgive me Im nice really  :(

Don't worry about it, I was just as pissed off with the weather as you!

Anyway, I'm used to women looking at me as if they are gonna punch me in the face anyway! ;D

I still dunno what an ugg is?

 It's a furry boot much loved by schoolgirls, and a few wrinklies who should know better.

a ball at thigh height that's bending i don't think would've been the easiest to pop into the net, i think you're being a bit unfair

What a lot of shit being written about McNamee-easily our best player last night.3 superb crosses that should have led to goals(Kanu,Cox,Paynter) a superb sublime through ball which Cox should have buried.Fuck me if Beckham produces one quality cross in a game every cunt creams theirselves.Hes a league one player for fucks sake and I haven't seen a more talented one this season!Luxury player my arse.McGovern-that's what I call a luxury player,once decent cross every 5 games.Come on you Macca haters admit that every time he gets the ball at his feet,dont you just get the tiniest buzz?Rest of the team was shit though except Kanu(for about 20 mins in the first half)and Jack Smith.My team for Saturday would be;Brez,Amank,Greer,Morrison,Kennedy;Marshall,Easton,Smith,McNamee;Kanu,Cox----subs;Smith,Vincent,Paynter,Sturrock,Macklin.Fuck it!

I thought our best players last night were Smith, Macca and Kanu. Macca was easily the best of those three.

Yep I get a buzz when he gets the ball at his feet without a doubt, the thing that is winding the shit out of me is that he does fuck all else!  We cannot afford to have a player only playing half a game yet staying on the pitch for 90 minutes!

There is no doubt his skill and quality with the ball at his feet, and when he gets a cross in they tend to be better than any other crosses in this league, but he does not track back, put a tackle in or even attempt to jump with a player for a header, yes I know he is only 4 foot tall, but he should still be jumping with the player.  I am a short ass but I got taught early on to still jump with the player to put any sort of pressure on him that you can.

The one word that totally describes Macca is "luxury".  If you have a team full of excellent players than you maybe able to get away with it, but we haven't even got an excellent player at the moment!  MOTM my arse!

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agree, sometimes effort can make up for lack of ability, but when you lack effort you're well and truly stuffed, at the moment I think our only hope of staying in this league is the teams below stuffing up which at the moment they're doing but for how much longer?

Danny Wilson I would imagine is under no illusions about the size of the task he has this summer in rebuilding the squad, and quite honestly if Mr Fitton and co don't offer the necessary then they'll get what they deserve in terms of season ticket hoders crowds and league positions.

Yeah and Peacock, Timlin and Allen were creative masters weren't they?

Who was better Berni?Anyone who sets up four clear cut chances in a game cannot be described as a luxury,surely?

The problem we have is there is no one in the box for macca to cross to, half the time, macca gets to the byline, looks up and see a shadow of cox being trounced on by a big lump of a CB, so macca has to try and hold the ball up for about 5-10 secons before he can attempt a cross and by then his marker has him covered, Paynter needs to be quicker into the box.
That said coz does have a good spring on him, out jumped 2 of their CB to head just wide towards the end
Thats the way i see it anyway, now for people to tell me im wrong.

Well in my book,any cross that produces a corner is a decent one

agreed, as opposed to an early cross which misses everyone and goes out for a throw

Cox was shitter than McNamee last night, but it doesn't count because he's got 19 goals this season.

It would be better if it were announced as "The Swindon Town 'best of a bad bunch' award"

  That should go in the Oxford English, spot on worst looking footwear ever invented.

By my reckoning McNamee put at least three decent crosses in yesterday, and he created two of the goals against Scunthorpe via his crossing (can't remember the amount of other decent crosses that day).  Some of his crosses may not be spot on, but as my Cheltenham mate said last night he was the only Town player who really looked threatening.  Yet all of a sudden he's not flavour of the month.

Nobody, like I said in my comments earlier Kanu was good first half shit second, but IMO the best player for us was Amankwah when he came on but he was only on for 30 minutes.

I have already said that when Macca gets the ball he is capable of being quality, when he beats the first man he is the best crosser of the ball in the league, it's not about that and you are missing my point completely.  What I am saying is that if you get MOTM for 4 crosses when you have hardly been involved in the game in any other way then surely equally Brez should be MOTM, he made 4 saves and stopped 4 goals!  Did fuck all else good, but still stopped 4 goals!

Everyone used to go mad at Roberts when he was lazy but nobody seems to say fuck all about ickle 4 foot twinkle toes Macca!

If you are happy to have a player not involved in the game for 85 minutes then fine, but that is not what gets you near the top of the table unless you are the Galacticos!

We cannot afford the luxury of one of our eleven only involved for 10% of the match!  The only way to could afford it is if you have a striker of the quality that is going to be on the end of the crosses 90% of the time, and we don't, therefore he is a luxury!

I didn't say he isn't flavour of the month, I said that no way was he MOTM, and that he did not get involved in the rest of the game except when he had the ball at his feet, which was probably 10-12 times.

Berni old chap I wasn't really replying to your post, just making my point.  It's pretty obvious from the posts on here (and elsewhere) that McNamee is no longer the darling of the terraces, so to speak.

Fair enough Berniman,Amankwah was fair when he came on,but to be honest the average time a player is actually in posession during a game is about 4-5 minutes,and if you can create 4-5 good chances in that time that's pretty good.Also if Brez had made 4-5 brilliant saves,he may well have been MOM.I loved Roberts as well!

Not just you berni but alot of people in general seem to be saying he should not be playing because we do not have players who can give him the ball or players to get on his crosses. This confuses me as this cant be his fault. As for tracking back its a two way thing surely? Vincent hardly attacks does he and knowing that this allows macca to roam which he is instructed to do. At the moment its our target man,midfield pairings and ifil who are our luxury players not our main attacking player

Sturrock works hard, so does Pook.

They're both equally as shit as the rest if not more so.

Macca is clearly a class player, his lack of movement is annoying me though.  Ok, I can accept he'll over play it from time to time and put crosses in blind too often, but he can be a key for us in this situation.  He's not looking for the ball in the right way and he's closing off options.  Kanu is not as gifted but makes angles for others to get the ball to him.  Macca is simply standing wide and usually pushed up on the full back meaning he gets too many high balls which he can't deal with, or basic short balls along the line behind him meaning he has to come back to go forward.  It makes it easier to defend when he should be a fucking handfull for even the best full backs in this league.  I can see why he doesn't get used away, you can't play the game with 10 men unless the passenger is an out and out striker (hence why Cox gets more leeway for bad performances, in fact he runs around too much).

I thought Macca did OK for us, he drifted in the middle of the pitch a little too much in the second half, I think he wanted to give it a go at right wing and swap with Kanu but Kanu seemed unwilling to swap.

Macca did lose his legs after about 70 minutes and as a result was hitting in crosses when he would normally have taken his man on.

But he does need a better target man than Paynter to get on the end of the crosses, Cox had an off day....they happen.

We need a good target man and a ball winning midfielder and a tough tackling midfielder.

And play Awankman from the start.

Adver reported that there was some boos when Akmanawah came on as a sub.  I didn't hear any, did anybody else?

They were from the Cheltenham fans werent they?

they had him on loan years back and even managed a half chant of Cheltenham reject. Although I probably booed when we left him at fucking left back!!

Yes I think so.

I think i remember one of the angry shouty brigade joining in with the cheltenham reject chants. i may be imganinnig it though

People in the Arkells were doing that after Kev had scored, as a sarcastic reply to the Cheltenham chant.

And I think if there were any boos at the time of the substitution I don't think it was aimed at Kev, more at the decision to bring a left back on when we needed goals, obviously with hindsight....  Well that was my take on it anyhow.

Wouldnt surprise me....

Big Kev has played the last few games on the wing. A goal down I thought we'd go at the 3 stick Big Kev on one wing, Macca on the other and push Kanu up as a 3rd striker.

Leaving him at left back was waste in my opinion.

Janaage and Adje, I wasn't having a go last night, just trying to point out that although Macca has undoubted quality, while we are in the shit that we are we need every player to put in 100% and be prepared to put their body on the line as well as have the flair players producing their moments of quality i.e. Cox, Macca and Kanu!  Cox and Kanu did some dirty stuff on Tuesday as well as having a go (although I agree that Cox was off his game).  

I can understand because of the sort of player that Macca is that he isn't going to go flying in to 50/50 tackles etc. but at least track your man and make a nuisance of yourself.  He needs to be more involved in the game other than just his attacking quality.

Agree Bernieman. 

Sammy Igoe was very good at making a nuisance of himself (1st season anyway) despite having the same stature as macca.

So the Adver really was trying to create a mini-story that really was nothing to do with Town fans!!  Typical!!  Have to say I was surprised he wasn't playing from the start, thought he was our best player against Hartlepool.

You really need to learn how this quoting thing works Flash!  ;D

I KNOWWHAT IM DOING!

 :D

No problem-I like a debate,that's what we're here for!