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Title: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 1, 2020, 05:56:40
https://soundcloud.com/lspod/165-keshi-anderson


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 1, 2020, 18:09:13
Enjoyed this when out for a walk earlier. Sounds promising on the contract front too.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 11:42:21
Enjoyed this one too. He speaks well, and clearly loves his football and knows what he is talking about. I thought he was hard on himself to suggest he was a 7/10 this year. Hat-tricks from midfield (or 10) and 30 yarders don’t come often. Get him fit, for a season, and he’ll be one of the best about in L1. Depending on who we are playing, I’d want to see a midfield of three from Doughty, Anderson, Grant and Lyden. He clearly doesn’t want to play wide, but was actually very good there in the 4-4-2 (ish) formation at the start of the season.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 14:51:48
Rich, have you done a podcast with Luke McCormick or tried to get him? Sorry if you already have. I just feel that could be a very interesting insight, depending on what he wanted to discuss.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 15:16:26
I'd prefer not to. But easy to not listen.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 15:45:28
I'd prefer not to. But easy to not listen.

I can understand why some wouldn't want to listen. I just feel it would be very interesting to hear his thoughts (not just the obvious) about all matters. In regard to that, I know he does do/has done a lot of awareness work.

Just a slight tack. I'm not sure many are too aware or maybe seem to have forgotten/let go of, that our excellent groundsman has been convicted of drink driving, has had several relapses and other warnings (ie a track record of repetition) in the past and while employed by STFC. My aim isn't to highlight his previous per se but more so that it shows an example of one man being allowed to continue his job (that he is very good at) with very little comment of being a repeat offender; yet another man (eventually continuing his job that he is very good at) still gets treated as if he did it yesterday. Cassidy even won Groundsman of the year, following his convictions and was rightly applauded and recognised for it. Would LMc be getting similar plaudits if he'd won the Golden Glove?  :hmmm:

Now I know people will say/think "...yeah but he didn't kill anyone, the other did." Yet Cassidy could easily have killed someone each of the times he's drink drove. It smacks of hypocrisy if one defends him yet not the other because we all know that as much as Cassidy could have killed someone several times, LMc could not have too.

I don't condone either for drink driving but it does strike me as odd when people excuse another purely because the outcome of that risk was a more favourable one.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 16:18:48
Rich, have you done a podcast with Luke McCormick or tried to get him? Sorry if you already have. I just feel that could be a very interesting insight, depending on what he wanted to discuss.

I've worked hard to build the podcast so I wouldn't want to polarise the listenership either and, without wanting to go over old TEF ground, I am nowhere near qualified enough to talk to Luke. Media wise, he is quiet for a reason.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 16:33:25
I've worked hard to build the podcast so I wouldn't want to polarise the listenership either and, without wanting to go over old TEF ground, I am nowhere near qualified enough to talk to Luke. Media wise, he is quiet for a reason.


I appreciate that but I don't think you would polarize too much; we are all adults and sometimes we need our eyes opening a little. To hear a difficult story, much like Donal McDermott's.  I don't think anyone is suggesting that you need to be qualified to talk to LMc. You can, as you have done with many, talk to them purely as a footballer?

I know it would be a brave move and if you feel it would be detrimental to your podcast then I fully respect that.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 16:54:27
Just my personal view, but I would skip that one.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 09:21:54
Got most of the way through this on my run this morning and it's another really good listen. Excellent work once again Rich. Interested to hear him say he wanted to come to Swindon initially on loan because of the way we played football. That's been a recurring theme with the loanees or players who've moved here, that whatever we think as fans, as players they enjoy playing the style of football we played under Cooper, Williams and now Wellens. Obviously I think we all prefer the Wellensball incarnation, but it's got to be a positive as we look to attract or keep players post-COVID that we are seen as being a good club to play for from a football perspective.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 09:30:50
Got most of the way through this on my run this morning and it's another really good listen. Excellent work once again Rich. Interested to hear him say he wanted to come to Swindon initially on loan because of the way we played football. That's been a recurring theme with the loanees or players who've moved here, that whatever we think as fans, as players they enjoy playing the style of football we played under Cooper, Williams and now Wellens. Obviously I think we all prefer the Wellensball incarnation, but it's got to be a positive as we look to attract or keep players post-COVID that we are seen as being a good club to play for from a football perspective.

Unsurprisingly reality is somewhat different to your interpretation.  Keshi was signed by Flitcroft, who according to you and others on here was clueless. Presumably Keshi wasn't too worried about style but just wanted to play.  This will very much be the case if we get back to something we recognise as lower league football... players will be happy to have some sort of professional contract.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 09:31:27
Didn't listen to the pod did you Reg


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 09:48:11
Paul has literally repeated what Keshi said, where he clearly stating his reasons for signing.

That’s not an interpretation


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 09:58:48
Unsurprisingly reality is somewhat different to your interpretation.  Keshi was signed by Flitcroft, who according to you and others on here was clueless. Presumably Keshi wasn't too worried about style but just wanted to play.  This will very much be the case if we get back to something we recognise as lower league football... players will be happy to have some sort of professional contract.

This was before Flitcroft was even here i think


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 10:06:08
Unsurprisingly reality is somewhat different to your interpretation. 

(https://www.warrenphotographic.co.uk/photography/bigs/15100-Ginger-kitten-drinking-milk-from-a-saucer.jpg)


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 10:09:21
Unsurprisingly reality is somewhat different to your interpretation.  Keshi was signed by Flitcroft, who according to you and others on here was clueless. Presumably Keshi wasn't too worried about style but just wanted to play.  This will very much be the case if we get back to something we recognise as lower league football... players will be happy to have some sort of professional contract.
Think you need to listen to what he, and many others, have actually said. In reality.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 10:09:53
Didn't listen to the pod did you Reg
:D

This was before Flitcroft was even here i think
It was, Anderson complimenting our style under Williams before he joined us, so hadn't actually seen us play under Flipflop it would seem.

Never let facts get in the way of a good argument.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 10:13:51
Reading this made me look up the wiki on Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson

He has had a funny old career until he got here, prolific in non league, gets a hatrick in a BCD game for Brentford on trial against Palace which leads Palace to sign him, loaned to Donny and has a bloody good run but breaks leg and then loaned to Bolton recalled and loaned to the Cobblers.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 10:26:27
Reading this made me look up the wiki on Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson

He has had a funny old career until he got here, prolific in non league, gets a hatrick in a BCD game for Brentford on trial against Palace which leads Palace to sign him, loaned to Donny and has a bloody good run but breaks leg and then loaned to Bolton recalled and loaned to the Cobblers.

Just out of interest, why does your post include what Wikipedia says is his full name?


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 10:31:41
Just out of interest, why does your post include what Wikipedia says is his full name?

Just out of interest why does it interest you?


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 10:51:15
Paul has literally repeated what Keshi said, where he clearly stating his reasons for signing.

That’s not an interpretation

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Interested to hear him say he wanted to come to Swindon initially on loan because of the way we played football. That's been a recurring theme with the loanees or players who've moved here, that whatever we think as fans, as players they enjoy playing the style of football we played under Cooper, Williams and now Wellens. Obviously I think we all prefer the Wellensball incarnation, but it's got to be a positive as we look to attract or keep players post-COVID that we are seen as being a good club to play for from a football perspective.

This bit is an interpretation

However you want to dress it,  Keshi was signed initially on loan by Flitcroft and was presumably happy enough with the style of play to sign permanently.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 10:55:40
Just out of interest why does it interest you?
Thanks for the reply. Because I didn't understand why it was necessary. 


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 11:08:40
This bit is an interpretation

However you want to dress it,  Keshi was signed initially on loan by Flitcroft and was presumably happy enough with the style of play to sign permanently.
Well, he did say he wasn’t that keen on the more direct style of play. Also the Tanned One was OK from a defensive point of view.

Hates playing as a winger, early days he didn’t produce consistently enough.

Thought we would have made the POs if Flitcroft had stayed. Never realised he actually played with Wellens at Donny.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 11:17:13
Well, he did say he wasn’t that keen on the more direct style of play.

But still happy to sign a permanent contract.... which comes to my latter point, players at our level, especially with the current uncertainty as to what lower league football might look like starting in 20/21, can't be to picky about styles of play etc


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 11:18:41
However you want to dress it,  Keshi was signed initially on loan by Flitcroft and was presumably happy enough with the style of play to sign permanently.
Listen to the pod. You may find it enlightening.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 11:25:40
I don't know why Rich spends so much time tracking down different players.

He should just interview Reg instead. He apparently knows the player's thoughts better than the players do themselves.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 11:31:12
I don't know why Rich spends so much time tracking down different players.

He should just interview Reg instead. He apparently knows the player's thoughts better than the players do themselves.

I don't know why you interpret what I've said when you have me on ignore.... probably better to read it IMO.

Still in the words of the great Ian Dury... "There ain't half been some clever bastards"


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 12:13:59
(https://media.giphy.com/media/nLhdSinRtaL2E/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 14:22:58
It does seem some people need to calm down and step back from the post button.  Especially on something unimportant.  Let it go.

Rich, thanks again for all these.  Kept me massively entertained over the last 2 and a bit months of driving.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Anderson
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 14:27:23
(https://media.giphy.com/media/nLhdSinRtaL2E/giphy.gif)


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 15:01:42
I couldn't help but crack a wry smile when I saw that the heading of this thread has been amended.  Gotta love you TEFers.

Assuming Wikipedia is correct, this is his name and the heading merely records that.  There is, of course, nowt wrong with that.

Just to give my previous post some context - sadly, experience of reading online posts/comments indicates that when reference is made to the full names of sports people with African names, this is often part of some wider (and often less than positive) narrative around race/ethnicity. 


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 15:12:56
I couldn't help but crack a wry smile when I saw that the heading of this thread has been amended.  Gotta love you TEFers.

Assuming Wikipedia is correct, this is his name and the heading merely records that.  There is, of course, nowt wrong with that.

Just to give my previous post some context - sadly, experience of reading online posts/comments indicates that when reference is made to the full names of sports people with African names, this is often part of some wider (and often less than positive) narrative around race/ethnicity.  

Edit: Actually deleted there is enough shite on this thread already!


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 15:16:18
What’s wrong with people these days.

I fucking despair sometimes.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 17:40:12
It's Reg being Reg.

I don't know why people are surprised.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 18:34:15
It's Reg being Reg.

I don't know why people are surprised.

And there was me thinking the outrage was to do with those feeling the need to have a bit of a laugh about Keshi's full name, and perhaps not being in the best of taste atm.

Should have known better, the outrage was really caused by pointing out the bleeding obvious 


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 19:16:34
And there was me thinking the outrage was to do with those feeling the need to have a bit of a laugh about Keshi's full name, and perhaps not being in the best of taste atm.

Should have known better, the outrage was really caused by pointing out the bleeding obvious 
It was the faux outrage I was on about - prevalent in all walks life nowadays it seems. Being offended on behalf of someone you think may be offended.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 19:18:06
It was the faux outrage I was on about - prevalent in all walks life nowadays it seems. Being offended on behalf of someone you think may be offended.
Interesting.  I didn't discern any 'faux outrage'.


Title: Re: 165. Keshi Stuart Oluyinka Adetokunboh Anderson
Post by: Jilted John on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 08:27:40
Interesting.  I didn't discern any 'faux outrage'.
Then you either need to take a look in the mirror or your outrage was suggesting there was some form of casual racism from Horlock07 which there wasn't IMO.