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« Reply #3315 on: Sunday, May 10, 2020, 21:53:58 » |
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I see a lot of people saying this is disguised pursuit of the herd immunity agenda by the government. Genuine question though what are the alternatives to herd immunity in the next year to 18 months.
Maintain lockdown until the number of new cases per day comes down to a level that the track/trace system can cope with without being overwhelmed, using the time to build up that infrastructure (i.e. these are convergent targets). Then implement test, trace, isolate so that you stamp on outbreaks as they occur. Then you can begin to gradually unlock. This isn't something I've just dreamed up, it's what South Korea, Hong Kong etc did. The countries with recent experience of SARS/MERS etc. The countries that took this seriously right from the outset. S Korea have started to ease up restrictions and are now taking very seriously a potential second wave because they have had 34 new cases in the past few days. We are plateauing at 5,000 new cases daily. That's what taking public health seriously vs "take it on the chin and a few thousand pensioners die" looks like. Genuinely cannot believe that anyone could be advocating herd immunity without a vaccine at this stage. Have you seen the projections for that? |
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« Reply #3316 on: Sunday, May 10, 2020, 22:16:51 » |
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Sorry if it has been posted already... Just a time line of events, which focuses heavy on that fucking excuse for a World Leader. Mex is right, we've fucking lost it...
"December 31st China alerts WHO to new virus.
January 23rd Study reveals a third of China’s patients require intensive care.
January 24th Boris Johnson misses first Cobra meeting.
January 29th Boris Johnson misses second Cobra meeting.
January 31st The NHS declares first ever ‘Level 4 critical incident’ Meanwhile, the government declines to join European scheme to source PPE.
February 5th Boris Johnson misses third Cobra meeting.
February 12th Boris Johnson misses fourth Cobra meeting. Exeter University published study warning Coronavirus could infect 45 million people in the UK if left unchallenged.
February 13th Boris Johnson misses conference call with European leaders.
February 14th Boris Johnson goes away on holiday. Aides are told keeps Johnson’s briefing notes short or he will not read them.
February 18th Johnson misses fifth cobra meeting.
February 26th Boris Johnson announces ‘Herd Immunity’ strategy, announcing some people will lose loved ones. Government document is leaked, predicting half a million Brits could die in ‘worse case scenario’
February 29th Boris Johnson retreats to his country manor. NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.
March 2nd Boris Johnson attends his first Cobra meeting, declining another opportunity to join European PPE scheme. Government’s own scientists say over half a million Brit’s could die if virus left unrestrained. Johnson tells country “We are very, very well prepared.”
March 3rd Scientists urge Government to advise public not to shake hands. Boris Johnson brags about shaking hands of Coronavirus patients.
March 4th Government stops providing daily updates on virus following a 70% spike in UK cases. They will later U-turn on this amid accusations they are withholding vital information.
March 5th Boris Johnson tells public to ‘wash their hands and business as usual’
March 7th Boris Johnson joins 82,000 people at Six Nations match.
March 9th After Ireland cancels St Patrick’s day parades, the government says there’s “No Rationale” for cancelling sporting events.
March 10th - 13th Cheltenham takes place, more than a quarter of a million people attend.
March 11th 3,000 Atletico Madrid fans fly to Liverpool.
March 12th Boris Johnson states banning events such as Cheltenham will have little effect. The Imperial College study finds the government’s plan is projected to kill half a million people.
March 13th The FA suspends the Premier League, citing an absence of Government guidance. Britain is invited to join European scheme for joint purchase of ventilators, and refuses. Boris Johnson lifts restrictions of those arriving from Coronavirus hot spots.
March 14th Government is still allowing mass gatherings, as Stereophonics play to 5,000 people in Cardiff.
March 16th Boris Johnson asks Britons not to go to pubs, but allows them to stay open. During a conference call, Johnson jokes that push to build new ventilators should be called ‘Operation Last Gasp’
March 19th Hospital patients with Coronavirus are returned to care homes in a bid to free up hospital space. What follows is a boom of virus cases in care homes.
March 20th The Government states that PPE shortage crisis is “Completely resolved” Less than two weeks later, the British Medical Association reports an acute shortage in PPE.
March 23rd UK goes into lockdown.
March 26th Boris Johnson is accused of putting ‘Brexit over Breathing’ by not joining EU ventilator scheme. The government then state they had not joined the scheme because they had ‘missed the email’
April 1st The Evening Standard publishes that just 0.17% of NHS staff have been tested for the virus.
April 3rd The UK death toll overtakes China.
April 5th 17.5 million Antibody tests, ordered by the government and described by Boris Johnson as a ‘game changer’ are found to be a failure.
April 7th Boris Johnson is moved to intensive care with Coronavirus.
April 16th Flights bring 15,000 people a day into the UK - without virus testing.
April 17th Health Secretary Matt Hancock says “I would love to be able to wave a magic wand and have PPE fall from the sky.” The UK has now missed four opportunities to join the EU’s PPE scheme.
April 21st The Government fails to reach its target of face masks for the NHS, as it is revealed manufactures offers of help were met with silence. Instead millions of pieces of PPE are being shipped from the UK to Europe.
April 23rd - 24th Government announces testing kits for 10 million key workers. Orders run out within minutes as only 5,000 are made available.
April 25th UK death toll from Coronavirus overtakes that of The Blitz.
April 30th Boris Johnson announces the UK has succeeded in avoiding a tragedy that had engulfed other parts of the world - At this point, The UK has the 3rd highest death toll in the world.
May 1st The Government announces it has reached its target of 100,000 tests - They haven’t conducted the tests, but posted the testing kits.
May 4th The number of NHS staff that have died from Coronavirus overtakes the number of British Military personnel that died during the Iraq War.
May 5th The UK death toll becomes the highest in Europe.
May 6th Boris Johnson announces the UK could start to lift lockdown restrictions by next week."
And so it goes on. I don't know whether to watch 'The Thick of It' back to back or just tune in to the Government Press Conference every day. They're at equal levels of ridiculousness now. That Sunday Statement could easily have been a satirical skit.
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« Reply #3317 on: Sunday, May 10, 2020, 22:20:14 » |
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Maintain lockdown until the number of new cases per day comes down to a level that the track/trace system can cope with without being overwhelmed, using the time to build up that infrastructure (i.e. these are convergent targets). Then implement test, trace, isolate so that you stamp on outbreaks as they occur. Then you can begin to gradually unlock. This isn't something I've just dreamed up, it's what South Korea, Hong Kong etc did. The countries with recent experience of SARS/MERS etc. The countries that took this seriously right from the outset. S Korea have started to ease up restrictions and are now taking very seriously a potential second wave because they have had 34 new cases in the past few days. We are plateauing at 5,000 new cases daily. That's what taking public health seriously vs "take it on the chin and a few thousand pensioners die" looks like.
Genuinely cannot believe that anyone could be advocating herd immunity without a vaccine at this stage. Have you seen the projections for that?
I’m not saying now I’m saying long term what other option is there if the virus doesn’t go away? Personally I won’t be taking a vaccine anytime soon until long term clinical trials are completed and side effects known, my other half witnessed the dengue fever vaccine and that killed thousands. Maybe you’ll call me irresponsible or inconsiderate but I think there will be many with the same view. |
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« Reply #3318 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 07:44:12 » |
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Norwich City first to resume training.
Following PMs announcement that you can now play sport with your own family
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« Reply #3319 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 07:52:30 » |
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Norwich City first to resume training.
Following PMs announcement that you can now play sport with your own family
Inbreds ??. |
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« Reply #3320 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 08:17:38 » |
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bit of a pointless address for me.
I can go out more and sit on park benches.
and some stuff in the future.
they need to release far more detail straight after
Seemed perfectly clear to me, the significant thing that happened was that government placed responsibility for the infection rate on the public taking sensible decisions. So if infections and deaths go up again it will be the public not the government's fault. |
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« Reply #3321 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 08:21:40 » |
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Johnson just tweeted this formula to calculate the current threat level.
I have a maths degree but by my workings our threat level is about 219,000 out of 5
https://twitter.com/BillHanage/status/1259625130512318464?s=20Maintain lockdown until the number of new cases per day comes down to a level that the track/trace system can cope with without being overwhelmed, using the time to build up that infrastructure (i.e. these are convergent targets). Then implement test, trace, isolate so that you stamp on outbreaks as they occur. Then you can begin to gradually unlock. This isn't something I've just dreamed up, it's what South Korea, Hong Kong etc did. The countries with recent experience of SARS/MERS etc. The countries that took this seriously right from the outset. S Korea have started to ease up restrictions and are now taking very seriously a potential second wave because they have had 34 new cases in the past few days. We are plateauing at 5,000 new cases daily. That's what taking public health seriously vs "take it on the chin and a few thousand pensioners die" looks like.
Genuinely cannot believe that anyone could be advocating herd immunity without a vaccine at this stage. Have you seen the projections for that?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-lockdown-speech-coronavirus-stay-alert-rules-a9507761.html |
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« Reply #3322 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 08:23:01 » |
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Inbreds ??.
No Delia with her husband, kids and grand children! |
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« Reply #3324 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 08:54:07 » |
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« Reply #3325 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 09:06:06 » |
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Seemed perfectly clear to me, the significant thing that happened was that government placed responsibility for the infection rate on the public taking sensible decisions. So if infections and deaths go up again it will be the public not the government's fault.
Great minds.... https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1259603466349150212?s=21 |
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« Reply #3326 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 09:11:07 » |
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No one great mind and one lazy twat! |
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« Reply #3327 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 09:20:25 » |
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Ha, knew it!
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« Reply #3328 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 09:35:27 » |
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Ha, knew it!
He posted what I was thinking, albeit more eloquently, its all about efficiency dear boy!   |
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Richie Wellen-Dowd
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« Reply #3329 on: Monday, May 11, 2020, 10:05:53 » |
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The strange thing for me with regard to the advice around working and the reaction to that advice, is that it's basically the same as it was beforehand. They've only changed from can work, to should work. Loads of factories were already open, I even know of an office that went back to work last week with half staff. I guess if pulled up on it they can just make excuses as to why they need to be in the office to work. I can only conclude that the continual ambiguity is by design to allow the rules to be bent.
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